The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 005 - Joe Sciuto

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Pairing. Got it. Got it. And setting. Did it

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work? Yeah. Live. Live. All right. So I'm going

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to. Keep it there. We are live, ladies and gentlemen.

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We are live. Back again in full force. We have

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a special guest coming on later. Chad will let

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us know a little bit about that later. There's

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a lot going on in the world. How are you doing,

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dude? Doing well, thanks. Still in New York.

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I'll be going back to Cali on Friday, so next

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week will be from Cali. And so you're getting

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to go from the cold -ish to some nice weather

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over in Cali, hopefully. yeah it's been in the

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70s there so i mean you know kind of like it

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was here about four days five days ago have you

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been getting all the rain that jersey's been

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getting in new york we've been getting a little

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rain yeah yeah a lot but yeah a little bit i

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like a week ago i've never seen like brooklyn

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was flooded parts of manhattan it was crazy i

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did see that yes that they got some torrential

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downpours there i've never seen flooding like

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that in new york Thought they had like aqueducts

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and stuff prepared for that. But hey, when you

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get nine inches and fucking, you know, a couple

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hours, I guess. It overwhelms any system. Sure,

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sure. So what else is new? You've been paying

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attention to this lovely attack on Israel. I've

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been paying attention to that. Yeah, it's amazing.

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It's amazing to see the different reactions,

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especially from the left, which just trips me

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out. It's like they now support terrorists in

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general. Not all of them, obviously, but like

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some of them, like they're having on the view,

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they're supporting Hamas and the Palestinians.

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I mean, I don't see the Israelis going around

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kidnapping babies and chopping their heads off.

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I just don't see that. anyone from the view if

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they will go visit gaza they will be fucking

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killed in an instant as right so it just baffles

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me that they they want to take that side it's

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just hilarious but i guess that's what they do

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now it's just opposite world i mean it's just

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crazy for israel to be sandwiched like right

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in the middle east like that and relatively i

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mean this is like the biggest thing that's happened

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to them since they've been there and it's Kind

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of wondering how it took this long for something

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to escalate like this. Well, as I was saying

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earlier to you when we were talking pre -show,

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like the one thing that I'm really baffled by

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and seems really frigging weird to me is that

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Mossad missed this. It's like, you know, they

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are the CIA of Israel. Right. It's their job

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to know this. And they missed this completely.

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It didn't have any idea it was going to happen.

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I mean, that's pretty wild to me. Yeah, parts

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of me think, like, they let it happen so they

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could go and flatten Palestine, but I don't know

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shit. It could be. That could be. It could be

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a larger conspiracy at play here. Who knows?

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But the Warhawks are out in D .C. for sure. I

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mean, Lindsey Graham's coming out saying we should

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go bomb all the Iranian refineries. I mean, let's

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open that hornet's nest, too. We got Ukraine.

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The world's kind of burning down, and let's just

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throw more wood on the fire, you know? Why not?

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And isn't Iran technically nuclear, or do we

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not really know? Technically not, but they're

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moving towards it. Right, okay. Well, that's

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scary in its own right. I mean... Yes. And then

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Palestine, of course, a lot of those fighters

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were rocking U .S.-made weapons that came from

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Afghanistan. lovely joe left there come on now

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how could that happen i don't know it's just

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so weird and then of course september 11th six

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billion dollars was released to the iranians

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but that wasn't used for this come on for uh

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hostage uh trees for humanitarian purposes that's

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what iran told told those guys it was going to

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be for right Well, I mean, it's kind of funny

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that we didn't learn the first time we armed

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Afghanistan against Russia and then they used

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their weapons against us. Then did they not learn

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from that first time? Apparently not. The government

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doesn't learn those sorts of things. Oh, my God.

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It's crazy. And now, again, we're arming Ukraine

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with everything under the sun. And then probably

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once this thing with Russia is over, just going

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to leave it there. And then. some crazy people

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are gonna pick up those weapons again we seem

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to do we did it with the saddam hussein too we

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armed him and then you know yeah that's what

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happens crazy man like i mean i don't pretend

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to know like i could run the world but like some

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parts of me thinks like i could do a little bit

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better or or something than uh just throwing

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weapons around and hoping they go into the right

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hands uh yeah you'd think so you think you just

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you know look a few short years back and go We

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did this then. Let's not do that again. Yeah,

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we should learn from mistakes. Leave Afghanistan

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and leave billions of dollars of equipment there.

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Supposedly, though, they decommissioned. Is that

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true? Supposedly what? They decommissioned whatever

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they left, tanks. Well, that's what they said.

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I don't know if they left tanks, but I don't

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know. Who knows? I mean, that's what they say.

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This administration says a lot, but they lie

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through their teeth constantly. So, I mean, our

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president can't even tell the truth about teaching

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classes at Penn University, for fuck's sake.

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Right. And he can't control his dogs, apparently.

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This is the second one thrown out of the White

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House, from what I've heard, for biting Secret

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Service agents. Yeah, that's great, too. I read

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an article about saying that's the sign of a

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beta male, if you can't control a dog. Of course.

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I mean, it's a big ass German shepherd and it's

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little Joe Biden who could barely walk. I mean,

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I would alpha that dude if I was the dog. You

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know what I'm saying? I'd be like, how about

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I just hit you with my tail and knock you over,

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you freaking Momo. Momo. Momo. It's a great Momo.

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But it's just it's just weird, man. Like, I just

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don't get how we could have somebody who ran

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the country so well. and put Russia in their

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place. They weren't invading Crimea, Georgia,

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anything under somebody's rule. And then we get

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somebody in office and they have just a brazen

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balls. They're going to take over Ukraine. But

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people would prefer that rather than somebody

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who speaks a little stupid and a little misogynistic.

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They would prefer to have an complete idiot in

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the office that doesn't do anything proper than

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somebody who speaks. you know off the mouth doesn't

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really think like at least his policies were

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thought out and and and and working great yeah

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we've traded bad tweets for the world burning

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right because because president mayan can't even

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freaking speak right he can't speak at all i

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can't put a sentence together that's that's better

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than bad tweets you know i mean these people

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have mass psychosis I mean, it's been propagated

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by the mainstream media, by the Russia hoax,

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by all this fucking bullshit, the deep state,

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which some people say doesn't exist, which is

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just ridiculous to me. It's the embedded bureaucracy

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and the military -industrial complex of this

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country that runs the place, and they are all

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leaning Democrat for whatever reason. They hated

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Trump. They hated him from the beginning because

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he was an outsider, and everyone that had Trump

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derangement syndrome was taught to hate him.

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And great. So now you have the world burning

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down, and it's – so we don't have bad tweets.

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It's so much better without bad tweets in the

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world. You have inflation through the roof, gas

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prices through the roof. The border is wide open.

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You have 4 million – People that have come into

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this country, most of them now you see are military

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age men. There's no women and children coming

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across the border, barely any that you see. And

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some of these people are from the Middle East.

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So, I mean, what happened in Israel could definitely

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happen here. We have sleeper cells coming in.

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For sure. Here we go into conspiracy theory,

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but just use common fucking sense. Right. You

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could easily have sleeper cells in each city,

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especially dem cities where no one has guns.

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Right. And they could go on a fucking rampage

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and kill sanctuary hundreds of people. Exactly.

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Yeah. I mean, this definitely could happen here.

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A hundred percent. And like you said, I mean,

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President Biden, when he got in office, said

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there will be no more wall built under his administration

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because Trump was building the wall. Like, what

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the fuck, dude? Like, you are not securing our

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border, which is your number one fucking priority

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in my mind. Well, now they've reversed that now.

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Now he says, well, the law says I have to build

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it. It's like, oh my God, really? Pick a stance,

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dude. Just pick one way, please. Stop being a

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flip -flopper. Stop being controlled by whoever

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the fuck controls you and just pick one thing.

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Well, I think he realized, like, my God, that

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was the right move. And now they're coming over

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in troves and we have no way to stop it. So,

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I mean, I think he had to backpedal and say it

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was the law. Why wasn't it the law when you first

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got into office then? Yeah, because he had to

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do everything opposite Trump. That's why. Exactly.

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It's crazy. They create this frigging border

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crisis and they're like, no, the border's fine.

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It's secure. Took Elon Musk going down there

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and broadcasting it to all his followers to people

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to finally go, oh, wait a minute. cnn didn't

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tell me this it's like this i don't see this

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on cnn right fucking retards in the world it's

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just unbelievable so sorry to use that word but

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you know there's no other word to describe them

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at this point yeah slow adult doesn't quite say

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it as well as retard uh in my mind but uh to

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to To say that, you know, I watch all CNN, NBC,

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and Fox News is really the only one that gives

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you the left and right side of things. Yes, they

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sway right, of course, but they still at least

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tell you the other side of things. So it's like

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if you're watching just the other news channels,

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you're only getting one side of things and you're

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not getting the full spectrum. And you're getting

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full on propaganda at this point. You're not

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even getting real news. And shame on... people

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for being such sheep and just going through life

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being told what they should be told and paying

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attention to what they're being told to pay attention

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to like do some of your own research man uh you

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know when the governor of texas is saying this

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shit ain't working like thank god texas is armed

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because if it gets crazy they can just start

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blowing people away when it comes down to it

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well then you have mayor adams from new york

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he took a flight down you know took a trip down

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to the border he's trying to trying to blame

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texas for it's like don't blame your party's

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president right in the office and his whole cabal

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of idiots right by your kiss i mean then they

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go to they go in front of congress and just blatantly

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lie no it's secure i don't know what you're talking

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about right i mean it's just baffling it's baffling

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is right And it seems to be no end in sight.

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Like if he was continuing the build of the wall

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since he got an office, we'd be a lot further

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along. If he didn't cut razor wire to just let

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people over, we'd be way better than we are now.

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Like those little things. OK, maybe it doesn't

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keep everybody out, but it keeps most out. It

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helps. It certainly helps. And it certainly helps

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to concentrate people into areas where, you know.

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The Border Patrol can apprehend more people or

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whatever, but even once they get apprehended,

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they're just let go. Let go. It's just cash and

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release. They don't even deport anybody. It's

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like, oh, they're going to show up for court

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in two years. Yeah, right. Right. I could almost

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guarantee that if you tried to cross China's

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border without going through customs, you're

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going to be shot right in the fucking head. You

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can't even cross the Canadian border without

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frigging getting, you know, worked up. Right.

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Worked down by those people. It's like, you know,

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we used to cross the border in a bus. We had

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to get off the bus at 4 .30 a .m. and go through

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the bus with the dog. It's like, it's easier

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to walk across the U .S. border than it is to

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go into Canada. It's insane. It's ridiculous.

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I have a friend who's Australian. She has a visa.

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And she has to go back on the 21st for, you know,

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because her visa's over. Right. And she's trying

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to get, you know, buy a business here and stuff.

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But anyway, so I'm just like, well, just lie

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down in the Mexicali and just walk back across

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the border. You'll be fine. You'll be fine. You'll

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get a free phone and probably a free bus ride

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back to Orange County, and you'll be taken care

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of. It's stupid. It's stupid, but it's keeping

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people like that out, honest citizens from other

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countries that want to come over and do some

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good business in America, but it's letting all

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the douchebags come over who want to come over

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illegally and don't want to be documented and

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don't want to be part of our system that we've

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developed. the oldest democracy in the world.

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You're letting over criminals and, like you said,

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it could be sleeper cells for all we know. You

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have no idea who's coming over. So I do have

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somebody entering the Zoom. You want to talk

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about this gentleman? Give a little intro? Oh,

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yeah. So my good friend, Joe Chuteau, he was

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around in the early days when we were public

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affection. Whoa. he has lots of good stories

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from those old days and he was kind of our hype

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man he would go on stage before we went on and

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like get the crowd hyped up because you know

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we were no one knew who we were there he is there's

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joe hello what's up welcome hello sir pleasure

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to meet you it's good meeting you welcome to

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the gracious too man so i hear you got a lot

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of uh history with mr chad gracie and uh even

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before live days public affection day yeah he

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had uh started back in the uh Grand Falloon days

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during high school, I guess, or junior. I forgot

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to mention that. Yeah, we worked with Joe at

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this restaurant called Grand Falloon's, you know,

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some of the guys in the band. So that's how we

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met him. Oh, wow. So some of the guys in the

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band were, is that how Ed Kowalczyk was so good

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at the server role in Fight Club? As he was from

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the Grand Falloon? Well, he, Ed, all of us worked

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in the kitchen. None of us were servers. But

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no, I think I just, you know, he's a good, he

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can be a good actor when he tries. Sure. So,

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Joe, what's up, man? Welcome. Yeah, thanks for

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having me. Excited, man. We've got a lot of good

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stories. I hope that everyone else out there

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will enjoy them as much as I will probably telling

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them and got down memory lane a little bit, you

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know, memory along with with my own. Here we

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go. So go ahead. What do you got? I'm anxious

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to hear. Where do you want to start? Well, we

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can bounce around all over a bunch of timelines.

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I mean, did you ever tell them the story about

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the brick, the video camera? No, not on this

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show. No, I've told some people, but yeah, that

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was great. That was great. So we, we would rent

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a van in the early days and we drive to New York

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to go play CBGBs. Nice. And you know, that's

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where we got signed out of. And Joe was with

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us on this. this trip and we're going through,

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we're leaving or going into this. We were leaving

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the city, right? I thought it was coming in,

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but maybe going, yeah, we were leaving. I think

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we were going in. Maybe you're right, but we

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were coming into the city and we get to the end.

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We're going through the Holland tunnel. We get

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to the end of the Holland tunnel and there's

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all these guys standing around. This guy comes

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up to the van. He's like, and he has this, this

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camcorder brand new box shrink wrapped. And he's

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like, you know, 200 bucks, 200 bucks. And so

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we're all like, yeah. So we're, we're getting

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our money together. And I think my cousin, Matt,

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who was our roadie forever and still is working

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with the band. He, he put the most in and we

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gave this guy 200 bucks. I think it was maybe

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a hundred or 200 bucks, whatever it was. And

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we give it to the guy and we drive off and we're

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like, yeah, we got a camcorder suite. We're going

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to record the show with that shit. And then we

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opened it up and it's a fucking brick. And $100,

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$200 for a band starting off, that's a lot of

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luchi to just throw out there. That's right.

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That was our Grand Falloon's money, man. Our

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gas money home, too. That guy was ahead of his

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time because I heard they're doing that with

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iPads now. They're shrink -wrapping them up and

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filling them up with paperweights or some shit

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and returning them. It was always a scam. Always.

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You know, I was bumming because I didn't have

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enough money to barely get a hot dog in New York.

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I had no money to pitch in, but I remember Matt

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G being like, I put the most in. I'll hold it

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like it's mine. And they were like, okay, it's

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yours. Needless to say, that was the last time

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you guys bought something off the street or?

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I think so. Yeah. I remember getting fake IDs

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in New York. We went to Times Square and got

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fake IDs. Times Square. Yeah, that was a good

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one. Got hassled there. I don't know how much

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we want to talk on here, but. Some guys to buy

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something on the corner and then getting hassled

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pretty bad down. That's when Times Square was

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good, right? Back in the 90s. When 42nd Street

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was full of hookers. That's right. The good old

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days. Now it's full of crime and windows busting

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and stores being robbed, which is kind of...

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Yeah. Free hotel rooms for immigrants. Yeah,

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it's fun. yes i feel like i should be an immigrant

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and just go get a free hotel room in this i saw

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a meme on instagram it was like a family dressed

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up as like with sombreros and shit on like hey

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go get a free hotel room in new york act like

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you're an immigrant family it's like okay that's

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all you gotta do i have no id i'm from fucking

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columbia i'm a refugee i'm sorry i heard tuberculosis

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is running rampant up there oh yeah I can believe

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that. Yes. I heard a lot of those people were

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supposed to be tested for TB, but they don't

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do shit. They don't test them for anything. I

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just let them in, send them out. Well, yeah,

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because, you know, it's just like you get a click

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in the arm and then they got to check it like

00:19:04.819 --> 00:19:06.980
days later. And probably days later, these guys

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are off doing whatever. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Now stick

00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:13.599
it around for days or go on to wherever, wherever,

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you know, Biden sending them. or if they're being

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bused to sanctuary cities which right uh once

00:19:20.500 --> 00:19:22.359
new york realized that that was happening they're

00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:24.380
like well wait a second here this is not cool

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i love it for texas but not cool for new york

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governor holcomb like a year ago or whatever

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she's like oh yeah we're sanctuary city sanctuary

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state you know all are welcome now she's like

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no right yeah okay what else joe Well, the first

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time that we ever went up to CB's was pretty

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good. I know a lot of that info is out of there,

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but I remember Ed and Taylor kind of getting

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in a squabble there in the alleyway before we

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even pulled out. okay before we left yeah well

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we were we were in the alley behind uh at the

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band at the garage you know there you're all

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numerous yes yes yeah and i remember your brother

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scotty g coming up and saying something to ed

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like taylor said blah blah blah that's right

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yes yes that's when it was very that's when it

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was very it was very sensitive to whatever then

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so if you said whatever to him he got fucking

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pissed oh wow there I think it was my brother.

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It was either my brother or Matt was like, great.

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Or Taylor just said, whatever to you. I got in

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a fight and was like, I'm not going. And that

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was so that was the first time we went there.

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The first time we went there, we showed up. And

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I'm assuming you were with us, but the first

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time we went there, we showed up and it was like

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we showed up on a Sunday when they did new band

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day. but it was punk matinee. We didn't know

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that. So we pull up to the front of CBGB's, and

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it is fucking covered with skinheads and punk

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rock people and black leather and shit. We're

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just pulling in from New York, Pennsylvania and

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going, we're going to get fucking murdered tonight

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if this is our audience. We better play everything

00:21:09.259 --> 00:21:12.680
fast. We got to play everything super fast, like

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punk rock. But then all those people just disbanded.

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It was the matinee. And we went on and it was

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like three people in the place. We felt better

00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.960
because we knew we weren't getting killed. Yeah.

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I remember Dave showing up and being like, it's

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all right. Just calm down, guys. And those guys

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yelling like, go the fuck back to Jersey. Like

00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:36.859
yelling at us. We were like, oh, yeah. Then Dave

00:21:36.859 --> 00:21:41.059
Taylor's dad, he was with us. We had to bring

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an adult to rent the van. So we always had to

00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:44.960
have an adult with us to rent the van because

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we were too young. Ah. Do you remember I mooned

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that girl out the van when we were going there

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to meet Taylor's dad at that McDonald's and she

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chased us down the road? That's right. We want

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somebody from the band or was she just mad at

00:22:00.210 --> 00:22:04.049
y 'all? She was, she didn't like getting mooned.

00:22:04.049 --> 00:22:08.690
I didn't realize it right in there. That's right.

00:22:08.730 --> 00:22:12.379
You mooned her and then we pulled in there. that's

00:22:12.379 --> 00:22:15.440
hysterical oh my god that's like great you look

00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:17.680
like you got a real white ass if you don't mind

00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:22.180
me saying oh my irish brother yeah that came

00:22:22.180 --> 00:22:26.420
out like a full moon for sure and then uh you

00:22:26.420 --> 00:22:28.319
know the one time we were going up we got caught

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in that traffic and we were weaving in and out

00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.079
of the cones and stole a cone and they pulled

00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:37.549
us into the called the cops on us and I think

00:22:37.549 --> 00:22:40.430
Matty G ended up getting, like, a $150 fine or

00:22:40.430 --> 00:22:44.049
something. Yeah, Matt stole the cone. Matt cost

00:22:44.049 --> 00:22:46.789
himself a lot of money going to New York. Yeah,

00:22:46.829 --> 00:22:50.730
apparently. I remember we were leaving Seabees

00:22:50.730 --> 00:22:53.529
before you guys played, and we were going down

00:22:53.529 --> 00:22:56.369
to Times Square. And I made a right turn going

00:22:56.369 --> 00:22:58.230
the right way on the one way, and we got pulled

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over. Oh, yes. Yep. I remember that, too. Yep.

00:23:01.529 --> 00:23:04.170
Yeah. And Taylor, sitting in the back, you know,

00:23:04.190 --> 00:23:06.420
started popping. Can't you give us a... freaking

00:23:06.420 --> 00:23:10.079
warning and you know the traffic cop wasn't digging

00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:12.359
that at all yeah we almost got arrested then

00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:17.279
too i mean i guess a lot of these stories are

00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.660
probably really funny to us and maybe not so

00:23:19.660 --> 00:23:21.460
interesting oh no they're definitely interesting

00:23:21.460 --> 00:23:23.640
to the rest of us for sure i mean i i didn't

00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:25.759
hear a bunch of these isn't it weird though to

00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:27.759
go like they just expect you to know like you

00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:29.960
can't make a right on red in new york coming

00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:32.839
from a state where you can or were you guys making

00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:36.079
a right down a wrong like a wrong one way we're

00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:38.579
going the right way yeah but just making a right

00:23:38.579 --> 00:23:40.440
on red yeah i mean how do i expect you to know

00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:43.500
all that without the sign being posted yeah i

00:23:43.500 --> 00:23:46.200
i never paid that by the way so if anybody in

00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:50.259
new york nice perfect no don't go to new york

00:23:50.259 --> 00:23:53.220
you'll get a boot on your car they don't i can

00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:54.900
tell you for a lot of years i drove a speed limit

00:23:54.900 --> 00:23:58.519
driving through new york big statues are up now

00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:01.660
yeah i'm probably statute of limitations on that

00:24:01.660 --> 00:24:04.519
you're good yeah so this is this this is the

00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:06.640
stories i forget this is why i had joe on for

00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:09.759
these old these old things i just you know shit

00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:12.619
you forget so would you actually go up before

00:24:12.619 --> 00:24:15.079
they performed and get the crowd like into the

00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:17.579
into it and and like what does a hype man do

00:24:17.579 --> 00:24:20.279
yeah that's a good question typically you wing

00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:25.640
it um i i don't know who maybe it was ed or somebody

00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:27.900
was like yeah just go out and announce us and

00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:30.240
then it kind of maybe started there you know

00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:32.319
when You know, I was fortunate enough to kind

00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:34.660
of see the whole thing go from like high school

00:24:34.660 --> 00:24:40.059
to full -on, you know, rock stars playing, you

00:24:40.059 --> 00:24:44.299
know, stadiums. But typically, yeah, you just

00:24:44.299 --> 00:24:47.519
get up, just kind of. I don't even know. Just

00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.599
kind of like, yo, what's, you know, just kind

00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:53.700
of. Yeah. Bring up the energy. You guys ready

00:24:53.700 --> 00:24:56.720
to rock. We got this cool ass band coming up.

00:24:57.140 --> 00:25:02.460
Exactly. You know, and then after the show, go

00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:04.400
out, kind of find the cute girls, you know, bring

00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:08.700
them backstage kind of. I wish I had that job.

00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:17.980
It had its advantages. Yeah, sure. yeah i mean

00:25:17.980 --> 00:25:21.859
uh it's uh funny because you know you you hear

00:25:21.859 --> 00:25:24.299
of live you know just kind of like what they're

00:25:24.299 --> 00:25:25.859
singing about and stuff you think they're just

00:25:25.859 --> 00:25:29.000
kind of like um no partying going on in the band

00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:30.680
so it's cool to hear that there was some fun

00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.799
in the early days and you guys were macking it

00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:36.259
to the ladies and some debauchery was going on

00:25:36.259 --> 00:25:40.440
yeah um and and you know the band kind of got

00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:43.019
got on the right trajectory i mean i remember

00:25:43.019 --> 00:25:46.700
with uh like a cheap um The Chameleon, excuse

00:25:46.700 --> 00:25:49.319
me, in Lancaster, you know, being able to open

00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:51.240
up, those guys opening up for a lot of great

00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:55.420
bands, you know, the Pixies, you know, I don't

00:25:55.420 --> 00:25:57.940
even think I went out and watched them play when

00:25:57.940 --> 00:25:59.759
we were hanging out with the Pixies. I mean,

00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:02.740
Kim and Frank were pretty gnarly people to be

00:26:02.740 --> 00:26:07.660
around at that time, you know. Scenic River Days,

00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:10.880
music festivals. Chad, you remember we ended

00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:14.720
up on Dance Party? We ended up on Dance Party?

00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.599
no i don't remember that what was that oh my

00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:21.839
god see this what i'm talking about yeah the

00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.519
the band you guys tell me shut up whatever but

00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:28.259
uh so the band was playing you guys were playing

00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:31.079
uh scenic river days up there in reading right

00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:34.940
yeah okay and they had a big tent off to the

00:26:34.940 --> 00:26:38.079
side there and they were filming an episode of

00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:44.299
dance party oh shit teen I'm not going to give

00:26:44.299 --> 00:26:46.099
my age here, but I don't know if I know, was

00:26:46.099 --> 00:26:49.960
this a show on TV? Yeah, like back in, like obviously

00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:52.240
in the 90s. I mean, gosh, this was early 90s.

00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:57.740
89, 90, somewhere in there. And I just remember,

00:26:57.900 --> 00:26:59.799
I know Matt G was there. It was me. I thought

00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:01.839
all of us walked in. I remember Pat being there,

00:27:01.940 --> 00:27:04.960
I'm pretty sure. But we end up in this crowd

00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:09.200
of, you know, in the tent and the dancers, dancers

00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:12.980
are up on stage. Somebody was like, who wants

00:27:12.980 --> 00:27:15.099
to dance with princess or something? We're all

00:27:15.099 --> 00:27:19.119
young. Next thing I know, they're grabbing me

00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:25.039
and pulling me up on stage. Go Joe. So you get

00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:27.500
to see yourself on TV. I totally forget. No,

00:27:27.500 --> 00:27:30.079
but it's funny. Like a week or two later, sometime

00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:31.779
later, my sister calls me. She's like, we're

00:27:31.779 --> 00:27:38.900
on dance party. That's great. Oh my God. That's

00:27:38.900 --> 00:27:42.339
a good one. Hell yeah. the uh but yeah the river

00:27:42.339 --> 00:27:45.019
days they were good i mean yes it was just kind

00:27:45.019 --> 00:27:47.319
of neat to like i mean there's a million stories

00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:50.839
i used to have a video camera so i was filming

00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:54.960
a lot of stuff too back in the day nice and uh

00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.140
able to use some of that you know in the new

00:27:57.140 --> 00:28:00.839
year's eve um show that they did a couple years

00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:04.500
ago and we came back together we had we used

00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:06.920
some of his footage in 2000 was it new year's

00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:11.680
eve 2016 when we yes Played for the first time

00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:13.599
here in York, and we used some of Joe's footage

00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:17.319
from that. I was there. Valencia? Yeah, Valencia,

00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:20.579
yep. Yes, sir. Well, it was funny. I forgot I'd

00:28:20.579 --> 00:28:23.180
even had it. And then somehow, I think during

00:28:23.180 --> 00:28:25.339
the construction at 210, we ran into each other,

00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:26.759
because I hadn't seen you guys in a long time.

00:28:26.980 --> 00:28:30.240
Yeah. And then it popped. I remember reaching

00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:31.819
out to you. I was like, hey, man, I got all this

00:28:31.819 --> 00:28:34.539
footage. And I didn't know that you guys were

00:28:34.539 --> 00:28:37.559
already talking to Ed, like, you know, kind of

00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.160
behind the scenes. We were keeping it on the

00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:42.460
DL at that point. Yeah, so it showed up. We burned

00:28:42.460 --> 00:28:46.599
a couple copies. You have to show some of that

00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:50.160
to John. If not, I still have it somewhere. Dude,

00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:54.380
that is like... I don't know if I have it. Chad

00:28:54.380 --> 00:28:56.140
may have taken it when he moved out of here.

00:28:56.539 --> 00:29:00.400
He might be in his archives. I'm not sure. That

00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:02.900
needs to come out and see the light, man. Yeah,

00:29:02.980 --> 00:29:08.160
there's really early chameleon clips. Nice. I

00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:13.490
think maybe even some Big City. hey it happened

00:29:13.490 --> 00:29:17.569
sorry about that the beauty of being live yeah

00:29:17.569 --> 00:29:22.349
um but but yeah we had a lot of good things i

00:29:22.349 --> 00:29:25.529
don't know if a lot of people know that uh chad

00:29:25.529 --> 00:29:29.750
gracie's a pretty good rock climber oh yeah well

00:29:29.750 --> 00:29:32.089
used to be i haven't done it for years and years

00:29:32.089 --> 00:29:34.849
but yeah i was pretty into it in the late 80s

00:29:34.849 --> 00:29:38.809
early 90s no solo free climbing right no without

00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.619
Oh my God. Not, not like Alex and old. No, that

00:29:42.619 --> 00:29:45.640
guy is frigging nuts, dude. That guy's nuts.

00:29:45.740 --> 00:29:48.000
But did you watch this thing? It's on Netflix

00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:50.619
now. It's called like something summit rage of

00:29:50.619 --> 00:29:54.079
summon or something. And it starts off with this

00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:57.740
Uli set guy and he's free climbing, breaking

00:29:57.740 --> 00:30:00.940
records and stuff like that. And then he dies

00:30:00.940 --> 00:30:05.000
like in 2016, cause he went like a little too

00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.809
nutty. And. alex honnold is on it just saying

00:30:08.809 --> 00:30:12.329
like what a great freaking guy he was and i don't

00:30:12.329 --> 00:30:15.569
understand that dude like just use a rope you

00:30:15.569 --> 00:30:18.029
know like what what what's the problem with uh

00:30:18.029 --> 00:30:20.910
you know you're breaking records but also you

00:30:20.910 --> 00:30:23.589
go too far you're gonna die that's it yeah i

00:30:23.589 --> 00:30:25.990
was i would never even contemplate that but yeah

00:30:25.990 --> 00:30:28.849
i used i only really did top roping which is

00:30:28.849 --> 00:30:31.369
you know you have a 180 foot long rope and you

00:30:31.369 --> 00:30:34.900
can basically climb 90 feet max so we would do

00:30:34.900 --> 00:30:36.880
that kind of stuff and then there's lead climbing

00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:38.799
which is where you use a rope and you put in

00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.339
protection as you go up and you can go up 180

00:30:41.339 --> 00:30:45.460
feet and then your your belayer follows you up

00:30:45.460 --> 00:30:47.160
takes all the stuff out and you continue a pitch

00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.559
so yeah that's how you do multi -pitches right

00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.579
but like uh i didn't i never got into that that

00:30:52.579 --> 00:30:54.700
was too high for me i was good with not about

00:30:54.700 --> 00:31:00.519
90 feet If you have one second of a, Holy fuck,

00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.440
I am up really high right now. Like I've gotten

00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.259
that just like being on roofs and stuff. So if

00:31:06.259 --> 00:31:08.619
you get that up there, like Jesus Christmas,

00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.599
that's like end all of. Oh yeah. If you're in

00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:13.039
a multi -pitch climb and you don't, you freak

00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:15.059
out. Yeah. You're pretty fucked. You can't get,

00:31:15.140 --> 00:31:17.500
I mean, you got to rescue all this deal. Yeah.

00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:21.019
There was a, there's a place I used to climb

00:31:21.019 --> 00:31:23.200
the most was called chickies rock over here by,

00:31:23.259 --> 00:31:25.380
by the Susquehanna river and Lancaster side.

00:31:25.889 --> 00:31:28.950
And, um, one day I was over there with my buddy,

00:31:29.009 --> 00:31:30.670
Eric Miller. I don't know, Joe, if you were there

00:31:30.670 --> 00:31:34.390
or not, but we, there were people climbing some,

00:31:34.450 --> 00:31:38.089
some guys set up. We had our, our, our, uh, route

00:31:38.089 --> 00:31:40.170
set up and we were doing it and climbing these

00:31:40.170 --> 00:31:45.109
guys set up beside us. And one guy started going

00:31:45.109 --> 00:31:48.089
up the rock and the other guy who was his belayer

00:31:48.089 --> 00:31:51.130
was just not even watching him and like not even

00:31:51.130 --> 00:31:54.430
hold on to him. And we're just like, Hey, uh,

00:31:54.890 --> 00:31:56.710
might want to stop where you are because we had

00:31:56.710 --> 00:31:58.849
to tell this guy how to how to belay this guy

00:31:58.849 --> 00:32:01.529
wow because he was basically not even attached

00:32:01.529 --> 00:32:03.609
so if the guy fell you would have been fucking

00:32:03.609 --> 00:32:06.549
you know you died or been really hurt holy shit

00:32:06.549 --> 00:32:08.289
it was like it was a while to watch these guys

00:32:08.289 --> 00:32:11.150
set up and then and then the guy starts climbing

00:32:11.150 --> 00:32:12.630
and the other dude has no idea what he's doing

00:32:12.630 --> 00:32:14.769
i'm like you just left your life in this guy's

00:32:14.769 --> 00:32:17.690
hands that's crazy or had any idea they knew

00:32:17.690 --> 00:32:20.400
what didn't know what to do so probably neither

00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.440
of them really knew what to do otherwise the

00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.799
guy climbing would be like yo you want to start

00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.740
doing your job well the guy climbing set up the

00:32:27.740 --> 00:32:30.680
rig and like seemed to seem to tie the knots

00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:33.460
and be all ready to go whatever it was strange

00:32:33.460 --> 00:32:36.579
my goodness yeah i mean when you're doing something

00:32:36.579 --> 00:32:39.299
like that you gotta really know who your partner

00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:42.480
is even more than a sexual partner i think because

00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.380
uh yeah yeah at least you got some protection

00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:48.880
when you're uh don't know your sexual partner

00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:53.339
but uh there my god one false move and uh that

00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:57.119
could be it yeah that dude that dude yuli fell

00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.440
a thousand meters i don't know what meters are

00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:01.599
compared to feet or it's about three thousand

00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:05.660
feet it's enough holy shit three thousand feet

00:33:05.660 --> 00:33:10.740
roughly it's about three to one basically remember

00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:13.119
the first time we probably the first times we

00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:16.519
because i got out of it man it was too much anxiety

00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:18.960
for me but i remember one of the first times

00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:20.720
we went up to chickies i think it was me you

00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.000
and butch and we just free climbed up not knowing

00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:28.259
anything yeah and get up there to the time i

00:33:28.259 --> 00:33:30.180
obviously we probably took that one route there

00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:32.019
kind of off to the to the right there i kind

00:33:32.019 --> 00:33:35.049
of remember and I remember somebody up top being

00:33:35.049 --> 00:33:36.890
like, Hey, you guys are pretty good, man. How

00:33:36.890 --> 00:33:43.769
long you been climbing? Like one day. Yeah. I

00:33:43.769 --> 00:33:46.529
didn't do that too much. Like I said, people

00:33:46.529 --> 00:33:48.589
don't know what they don't know. Yeah, exactly.

00:33:48.849 --> 00:33:51.710
So where are you at now, Joe? You in what part

00:33:51.710 --> 00:33:55.089
of the world? I am. I'm in York, Pennsylvania.

00:33:55.490 --> 00:33:59.460
Oh, cool. Yeah. Currently in my office. Run a

00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:02.059
little business here doing street cleaning, paving,

00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:04.720
sweeping, construction, sweeping. I see blueprints

00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:09.760
behind you. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about that. No,

00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:11.420
it's all good. I mean, it's part of the office.

00:34:11.780 --> 00:34:15.460
Yeah. Are you building some or are those just

00:34:15.460 --> 00:34:17.400
for like your street routes and all that goodness?

00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:19.900
Typically, that was probably parking lot layout.

00:34:20.099 --> 00:34:22.219
They're actually a little bit older. Some previous

00:34:22.219 --> 00:34:25.059
jobs that we have done, just the plans in case

00:34:25.059 --> 00:34:27.820
we ever have to come back, you know. So you.

00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.360
known these gentlemen since public affection

00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.260
days even before even before live well around

00:34:33.260 --> 00:34:39.179
87 87 88 when we met yeah we uh it was a grandfather

00:34:39.179 --> 00:34:43.199
i remember uh if you remember amy amy hopwood

00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:47.840
uh she got oh yeah there and uh you know public

00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.400
affection back then was this mystical band that

00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.099
you know played the temple you know the temple

00:34:53.099 --> 00:34:57.630
dance and i'd heard of them and uh And I ended

00:34:57.630 --> 00:34:59.869
up getting a job there working, probably doing

00:34:59.869 --> 00:35:02.989
dishes, I think, was my first job. And at that

00:35:02.989 --> 00:35:05.650
time, it was just you and Ed working there. Right.

00:35:06.190 --> 00:35:09.050
That would work the front. I would cook. Yeah.

00:35:09.070 --> 00:35:14.090
And I was doing the dishes. And we all kind of

00:35:14.090 --> 00:35:16.010
hit it off. And I remember I had to take my car

00:35:16.010 --> 00:35:18.630
down to Volkswagen. And you offered to give me

00:35:18.630 --> 00:35:21.110
a ride. And Chad and I hit it off really well,

00:35:21.190 --> 00:35:23.909
kind of outside of work. That's when you had

00:35:23.909 --> 00:35:26.469
the Fox, right? Then I had the Fox after that.

00:35:26.710 --> 00:35:30.849
Volkswagen Fox. Volkswagen Fox. I've never even

00:35:30.849 --> 00:35:33.130
heard of that. I've heard of a Rabbit, I think,

00:35:33.150 --> 00:35:37.309
but not a Fox. It was like a four -door, not

00:35:37.309 --> 00:35:39.349
hatchback. It was like a four -door kind of sedan.

00:35:40.190 --> 00:35:43.250
Was it a four -door or a two -door? Yeah, a four

00:35:43.250 --> 00:35:45.110
-door. I think it was more like an economy Jetta.

00:35:45.869 --> 00:35:51.309
Yes, exactly. We were all into the Volkswagens

00:35:51.309 --> 00:35:54.349
back in the day. But then Joe, he moved into

00:35:54.349 --> 00:35:56.730
a house right beside Grand Falloon's, right beside

00:35:56.730 --> 00:36:00.530
the parking lot of Grand Falloon's. We'd go in

00:36:00.530 --> 00:36:02.329
the basement and open up the doors and fucking

00:36:02.329 --> 00:36:05.730
just load out cases of beer into his place and

00:36:05.730 --> 00:36:10.829
go there after and fucking just party. That's

00:36:10.829 --> 00:36:13.530
the people right there. I want to say Taylor

00:36:13.530 --> 00:36:16.670
and Gracie were on that original rental application.

00:36:17.969 --> 00:36:21.730
Were we? I know. I know Taylor definitely was.

00:36:21.769 --> 00:36:24.650
I don't know if you were, but I know Matt was.

00:36:24.869 --> 00:36:27.210
Oh, Matt. When I say Gracie, I should clarify.

00:36:27.550 --> 00:36:33.230
Yeah. So that was the party house. It was funny.

00:36:33.369 --> 00:36:36.829
Yeah, because we used to have, like back then,

00:36:36.889 --> 00:36:39.170
it was the guys in the band and kind of Matt

00:36:39.170 --> 00:36:41.650
Gracie, myself, like guys kind of our age. We're

00:36:41.650 --> 00:36:43.949
in one circle. And then the little brothers,

00:36:44.190 --> 00:36:46.750
you know, like Scott, Pete, and all those guys

00:36:46.750 --> 00:36:50.219
were. we're Adam you know we're kind of in their

00:36:50.219 --> 00:36:52.519
own little circle and we kind of crossed and

00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:55.960
um yeah Scott's my brother and Pete is Matt Gracie's

00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:59.000
brother and Adam is of course Ed's brother yeah

00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.739
just for clarity yeah sorry but it there came

00:37:02.739 --> 00:37:06.219
a time where we used to uh we get strippers in

00:37:06.219 --> 00:37:10.739
to pay the rent that's right oh yeah you'd have

00:37:10.739 --> 00:37:13.760
gambling nights and you do strippers dude how

00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:18.400
would charge at the door And the younger guys

00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:20.159
would be all like on the shoulders trying to

00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:24.739
look in the window. I'm just imagining York strippers.

00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:27.599
They don't seem as hot as they should be. Am

00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.440
I wrong? Am I right here? I think that's a pretty

00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:35.559
fair statement. But they were nice girls. Sure.

00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.500
Treated me well. They worked at Harley Davidson

00:37:38.500 --> 00:37:40.980
and Cali Caterpillar in a day and stripped for

00:37:40.980 --> 00:37:44.010
you at night. That's right. with with harley

00:37:44.010 --> 00:37:46.050
having third shift a couple of these bars would

00:37:46.050 --> 00:37:49.050
have strippers at seven in the morning oh wow

00:37:49.050 --> 00:37:53.869
yeah i went to um when i went out to visit the

00:37:53.869 --> 00:37:56.610
studio i just looked for a spot at night to like

00:37:56.610 --> 00:37:58.829
just go in and drink and it was this i don't

00:37:58.829 --> 00:38:00.969
i think it was in new york because i don't think

00:38:00.969 --> 00:38:03.289
i really ventured much out of the town but it's

00:38:03.289 --> 00:38:05.929
this old school bar where people are still smoking

00:38:05.929 --> 00:38:08.309
cigarettes in the bar i'm like where did i just

00:38:08.309 --> 00:38:12.079
fucking walk into 1974 Oh, is that part of the

00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.320
White Rose Stooges? Is that where you went? I

00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.159
really don't remember the name of the place.

00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:18.960
I think that's kind of the only smoking bar in

00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:22.400
New York. Probably that. Probably. Maybe Jackie

00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.639
B's, but I don't know. I probably didn't go there.

00:38:24.699 --> 00:38:27.699
Were you in downtown? Yeah, it wasn't too far

00:38:27.699 --> 00:38:29.639
from the studio. Okay, yeah, it was probably

00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.559
Stooges and it's part of White Rose. Yeah, I

00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:34.440
was like, this is crazy. I felt like I walked

00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.789
back into like the 80s and 90s. But I was like,

00:38:38.250 --> 00:38:40.769
this is how bars should be, you know, like go

00:38:40.769 --> 00:38:43.650
in there, get cancer and go about your day. Yeah.

00:38:43.929 --> 00:38:48.690
Leave the bar thinking. Yeah. Oh, God. Even even

00:38:48.690 --> 00:38:52.090
when I smoked, I didn't like walking into a smoky

00:38:52.090 --> 00:38:54.309
filled room. You know, like I was like a clean

00:38:54.309 --> 00:38:56.690
smoker. I wouldn't smoke in my car or my house.

00:38:56.730 --> 00:38:58.929
It was outside. I would wash my hands. I was

00:38:58.929 --> 00:39:01.610
kind of a gay smoker, so to speak. I remember

00:39:01.610 --> 00:39:04.769
my parents used to have like when I was my brother

00:39:04.769 --> 00:39:07.980
and I were. you know eight nine ten twelve they

00:39:07.980 --> 00:39:10.900
would have party nights with like poker and like

00:39:10.900 --> 00:39:13.739
all their couple friends would come over everybody

00:39:13.739 --> 00:39:15.900
smoked and the whole fucking house would just

00:39:15.900 --> 00:39:18.840
be like this haze of smoke you could barely see

00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:23.150
through it was like oh yeah right it's nuts My

00:39:23.150 --> 00:39:25.929
grandparents, you know, cause all their kids

00:39:25.929 --> 00:39:27.989
smoked and they had like six to eight kids. I

00:39:27.989 --> 00:39:30.250
don't remember how many, but they would all go

00:39:30.250 --> 00:39:32.070
to the house and then, you know, they would paint

00:39:32.070 --> 00:39:33.570
the walls every couple of years and you would

00:39:33.570 --> 00:39:37.130
see the nicotine dripping from the top of the

00:39:37.130 --> 00:39:39.909
walls. And I'm like, as a kid, I'm like, this

00:39:39.909 --> 00:39:42.750
can't be good. And this is like surgeon general

00:39:42.750 --> 00:39:45.929
warnings. Like I had enough, like wherewithal

00:39:45.929 --> 00:39:49.309
to be like, I don't know about this. Yeah. Yeah.

00:39:50.349 --> 00:39:53.440
It doesn't seem cool. yeah but those are the

00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:57.119
days right when no car seats no seat belts people

00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.000
are smoking drinking and driving like what happened

00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.039
we became communists we're no longer american

00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:05.860
now well even even going back to the band i mean

00:40:05.860 --> 00:40:08.380
could you imagine just that near 18 year old

00:40:08.380 --> 00:40:11.059
kid jump in a rental van and drive to freaking

00:40:11.059 --> 00:40:15.800
cbgbs right you know i mean nowadays yeah i don't

00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.030
know yeah well it's it's weird you look at like

00:40:19.030 --> 00:40:21.090
i see an 18 year old now i'm like that's a little

00:40:21.090 --> 00:40:24.309
kid but when i was 18 i felt like a full -fledged

00:40:24.309 --> 00:40:27.110
adult you know but it's like it's a weird perspective

00:40:27.110 --> 00:40:32.409
i think in a lot of ways there are kids now just

00:40:32.409 --> 00:40:35.570
kids Yeah, they're not maturing like we did for

00:40:35.570 --> 00:40:37.889
some reason. It's probably because we've come

00:40:37.889 --> 00:40:40.750
so lax as a society where we're not allowing

00:40:40.750 --> 00:40:43.510
people to smoke indoors. We're not allowing the

00:40:43.510 --> 00:40:45.530
old drinking and driving. Like we've just become,

00:40:45.610 --> 00:40:47.590
I was watching something the other day when they

00:40:47.590 --> 00:40:50.170
were like doing the smoking law and these people

00:40:50.170 --> 00:40:52.929
were like, yeah, we're becoming communists, you

00:40:52.929 --> 00:40:54.750
know, like. Oh, I saw that video too. It's hilarious.

00:40:54.969 --> 00:40:58.849
Yeah. Dude, that's hysterical, man. I kind of

00:40:58.849 --> 00:41:00.909
get what they're saying, but like, I, I also

00:41:00.909 --> 00:41:03.070
understand like from an employee's point of view,

00:41:03.130 --> 00:41:04.630
like you don't want to go to work and have to

00:41:04.630 --> 00:41:07.510
breathe this shit in, but in a way it is like,

00:41:07.570 --> 00:41:09.150
yeah, there's a freedom taken away from you.

00:41:10.650 --> 00:41:12.750
And then like for us, like with my business,

00:41:12.789 --> 00:41:15.230
I mean, it's, it's even a law, you know, and

00:41:15.230 --> 00:41:17.670
I'm sure Chad knows there is different, you know,

00:41:17.670 --> 00:41:19.929
real estate ventures and stuff like you can't,

00:41:19.929 --> 00:41:21.889
it's a plain air act, you know, OSHA comes in,

00:41:21.969 --> 00:41:26.670
try to have designated smoking areas. I think

00:41:26.670 --> 00:41:29.210
a lot of it too with employers is health coverage.

00:41:30.230 --> 00:41:32.809
You know, if they have, you know, non -smokers

00:41:32.809 --> 00:41:35.590
or smoking not allowed, you know, maybe they'll

00:41:35.590 --> 00:41:37.969
get a break on their health coverage for their

00:41:37.969 --> 00:41:41.610
employees. That makes sense. I mean, we know

00:41:41.610 --> 00:41:44.389
how bad it is for people for sure, right? I mean,

00:41:44.429 --> 00:41:48.610
it's just, you know, you make the decision to

00:41:48.610 --> 00:41:51.010
go into that establishment. So if some establishment

00:41:51.010 --> 00:41:53.690
said, hey, we have smoking, some say we don't,

00:41:53.690 --> 00:41:55.929
then those would be the deciding factors on,

00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:57.599
where you're going to work, where you're going

00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.460
to go. It almost seems like it should be a choice

00:42:00.460 --> 00:42:04.260
rather than a law not to, you know? Great. You

00:42:04.260 --> 00:42:06.460
know, I remember being over in Europe, like over

00:42:06.460 --> 00:42:09.739
in Ireland years ago. And of course no smoking

00:42:09.739 --> 00:42:12.320
in any of the pubs there, you know, that that'll

00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:15.300
never fly in America. And it wasn't long after.

00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:19.139
That had happened. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I

00:42:19.139 --> 00:42:20.860
never thought that they would pass that because

00:42:20.860 --> 00:42:22.840
everybody and their mother was a smoker back

00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.559
in the day, even. Though they kind of knew what

00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.679
the writing on the wall was. I mean, anything

00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:31.780
you take into your lungs can't be beneficial

00:42:31.780 --> 00:42:34.960
unless it's, I don't know, like an asthma inhaler

00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.699
or something. Did you guys ever see that when

00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:40.539
they were passing laws about drinking and driving

00:42:40.539 --> 00:42:43.980
back in the 70s, the old footages where they're

00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:45.699
talking about drinking and driving and they're

00:42:45.699 --> 00:42:47.360
interviewing people and the guy's like, well,

00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.320
what's wrong if I want to drink a beer on the

00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:55.539
way home after a hard day? mm -hmm it's so foreign

00:42:55.539 --> 00:42:58.159
now you know what i mean it's i remember my dad

00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:01.360
used to do that he i ride and pick up truck beside

00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:03.760
him the passenger seat when i was too young and

00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:06.480
he had a beer between his legs just driving smoking

00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:11.440
drinking it was normal and then i think it was

00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:14.780
mad mothers against drunk drivers that just went

00:43:14.780 --> 00:43:17.820
nuts with it and i completely get it um you know

00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:21.159
you are not a hundred percent when you are drunk

00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.570
driving But I'm going to be completely honest.

00:43:23.829 --> 00:43:29.630
If I'm blowing 0 .08, I am well, I'm very good

00:43:29.630 --> 00:43:32.230
to drive. I'm not even buzzed in the slightest.

00:43:32.530 --> 00:43:33.610
You know what I'm saying? Like, I think they

00:43:33.610 --> 00:43:36.969
went a little too low with their threshold in

00:43:36.969 --> 00:43:41.730
my eyes because 0 .08 to me is like two beers

00:43:41.730 --> 00:43:45.369
and I'm not drunk or, you know, going crazy on

00:43:45.369 --> 00:43:49.010
two beers. I could drive perfectly normal. So,

00:43:49.010 --> 00:43:51.820
so with. With my business, my sweeper trucks,

00:43:52.059 --> 00:43:55.139
they're a class B CDL, like 90 % of them are.

00:43:55.300 --> 00:43:56.960
So if you have your CDL, which is commercial

00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:02.380
driver's license, your limit is 0 .04. Wow. I

00:44:02.380 --> 00:44:04.900
understand if you're driving your work vehicle

00:44:04.900 --> 00:44:07.880
or whatever, but that 0 .04 carries into your

00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:11.039
personal life. So realistically, like you said,

00:44:11.059 --> 00:44:13.719
you could stop, you know, on the way home, have

00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:15.539
dinner with your wife or whatever, have one glass

00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:19.469
of wine and potentially be over. Yeah, yeah.

00:44:19.929 --> 00:44:25.150
Which isn't real cool. No, we don't want people

00:44:25.150 --> 00:44:27.190
bouncing off cars while they're driving home

00:44:27.190 --> 00:44:29.650
and barely able to see, but we also don't want

00:44:29.650 --> 00:44:32.190
somebody who stopped to have a glass of wine

00:44:32.190 --> 00:44:34.690
with their meal getting fucked for life and then

00:44:34.690 --> 00:44:37.210
all of a sudden losing their job and not being

00:44:37.210 --> 00:44:39.469
able to support their family all because you

00:44:39.469 --> 00:44:42.929
made it .04. My God, that's probably a half a

00:44:42.929 --> 00:44:46.989
glass of wine in all reality. It could be. Yeah.

00:44:47.090 --> 00:44:48.630
And like I said, not advocating drinking and

00:44:48.630 --> 00:44:50.489
driving whatsoever. No, no, no, no, no. Right.

00:44:50.909 --> 00:44:56.090
Definitely not. It's crazy. Yeah. I do advocate

00:44:56.090 --> 00:44:58.349
drugging and driving though. If you want to,

00:44:58.349 --> 00:45:01.710
if you want to, you know, hit the crack pipe

00:45:01.710 --> 00:45:03.929
and go for a ride by all means, ladies and gentlemen,

00:45:03.929 --> 00:45:05.869
do that. Just don't ride through my neighborhood.

00:45:06.090 --> 00:45:09.449
Yes. Yes. Stay away from mine too. There should

00:45:09.449 --> 00:45:11.329
be neighborhoods where it's allowed. Like they

00:45:11.329 --> 00:45:14.039
should do a social experiment and see. Like,

00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.380
you know, have like parts of New York where it's

00:45:16.380 --> 00:45:18.380
like, it's legal here. Let's see exactly how

00:45:18.380 --> 00:45:20.599
many accidents happen. It's illegal here. Let's

00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:22.519
see how many accidents happen. And really weigh

00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:26.960
the weight of it all. So you would want to do

00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:29.940
real -time human trials? Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:33.139
The only way. Real -time human trials. Well,

00:45:33.179 --> 00:45:35.980
because, listen, I'm being serious now. If I

00:45:35.980 --> 00:45:39.699
want to smoke a joint. and drive i become the

00:45:39.699 --> 00:45:42.639
best driver in the world i am following the speed

00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:46.099
limit i'm focused on what i'm doing i'm actually

00:45:46.099 --> 00:45:49.000
a better driver than if i'm sober and i'm fucking

00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.460
raging through the you know parkway trying to

00:45:51.460 --> 00:45:54.519
get to where i'm going then i'm then it's like

00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:57.260
it's an issue but if i take a little toke off

00:45:57.260 --> 00:45:59.539
of something and go for a ride i'm doing the

00:45:59.539 --> 00:46:02.619
speed limit i'm using my blinkers i'm i'm a lot

00:46:02.619 --> 00:46:05.980
cooler of a driver than i am on a normal basis

00:46:07.069 --> 00:46:10.650
The problem is they don't have a way to detect

00:46:10.650 --> 00:46:13.250
if you smoked five minutes ago or five days ago

00:46:13.250 --> 00:46:17.230
that I know of. True. Supposedly, they're coming

00:46:17.230 --> 00:46:19.590
up with cheek swabs, but I don't know how accurate

00:46:19.590 --> 00:46:22.070
they are. Well, yeah, we all know how accurate

00:46:22.070 --> 00:46:26.710
those COVID swabs were. Exactly. There we go.

00:46:27.610 --> 00:46:32.159
Speaking of human trials. Yeah. Yeah. What a

00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:35.000
what a mass. I mean, it could have been a mass

00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:39.699
engineered fucking leak from a lab that, you

00:46:39.699 --> 00:46:41.059
know, they were just experiment. Let's see what

00:46:41.059 --> 00:46:43.880
happens if another pandemic hit the world. Because

00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:45.639
what was the one before? It was like 100 years

00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:49.599
before some kind of. Are you talking about Spanish

00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:56.980
flu? Spanish flu. Yeah. 1912. 1912. I don't know.

00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:59.000
Google that. Put the fact check. I think it was

00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:03.280
17 or 1912. There we go. I thought it was during

00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:06.400
World War II. I mean, World War I. I think it

00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:10.940
ended World War I, right? That makes sense. Yeah.

00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.699
You're thinking of the War of 1812. Wasn't there

00:47:15.699 --> 00:47:18.619
a War of 1812 that, for some reason, sticks into

00:47:18.619 --> 00:47:25.980
my brain? That was. Yeah. That's when the Star

00:47:25.980 --> 00:47:31.519
Spangled Banner was written. Oh, say. Fort McHenry

00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:35.179
down in Baltimore. Hey, God bless. That's a great

00:47:35.179 --> 00:47:40.559
song. Our national anthem. Or it is, actually.

00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.039
Does anybody know any other country's national

00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:44.980
anthem? Every time I watch the Olympics, I'm

00:47:44.980 --> 00:47:46.780
like, that's their song? That's a weird song.

00:47:48.340 --> 00:47:54.219
Yeah, I don't know. I knew I was going back to

00:47:54.219 --> 00:47:57.039
Ireland. We were there one time, and they closed

00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:59.719
the doors at like... two o 'clock in the morning

00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:01.699
go to lock in and you could just stay there and

00:48:01.699 --> 00:48:04.380
drink as long as you want but the bands that

00:48:04.380 --> 00:48:06.960
are typically playing in the local bars at least

00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.500
in that town anyway always ended their set at

00:48:09.500 --> 00:48:11.619
the end of the night uh with the irish national

00:48:11.619 --> 00:48:15.239
anthem i had no idea what it was oh wow that's

00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:18.880
kind of cool pretty neat yeah i mean to have

00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.079
that much pride i mean that's cool to have that

00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.659
much pride for your country that's racist now

00:48:23.659 --> 00:48:28.369
it is it is very true Very true. Everything's

00:48:28.369 --> 00:48:31.730
racist now. I mean, everything's opposite. Exactly.

00:48:32.070 --> 00:48:34.889
What's up is down. What's down is up. Like we

00:48:34.889 --> 00:48:37.030
were saying, the Democrats want war in Ukraine

00:48:37.030 --> 00:48:39.909
and the Republicans are the ones saying, well,

00:48:40.010 --> 00:48:42.010
wait a second here. How much are we spending

00:48:42.010 --> 00:48:45.829
on this war? It's obsessive to me. I mean, the

00:48:45.829 --> 00:48:48.449
fact that we were in Afghanistan for almost 20

00:48:48.449 --> 00:48:52.670
years and spent $75 billion. And we're not even

00:48:52.670 --> 00:48:55.369
in Ukraine technically. And we spent at least

00:48:55.369 --> 00:48:58.570
84 billion is absurd to me in less than a year.

00:48:58.630 --> 00:48:59.969
We're well over a hundred billion in Ukraine

00:48:59.969 --> 00:49:02.769
for sure. I'm trying to use like numbers that

00:49:02.769 --> 00:49:05.269
people won't be like, Oh, he's inflating because

00:49:05.269 --> 00:49:07.309
there's a lot of fucking morons out there that

00:49:07.309 --> 00:49:09.650
don't pay attention. So I'm just kind of using

00:49:09.650 --> 00:49:12.150
basic numbers here, but yeah, I'm not worried

00:49:12.150 --> 00:49:13.610
about it's over a hundred billion dollars. So

00:49:13.610 --> 00:49:17.010
over a hundred billion and less than a year,

00:49:17.090 --> 00:49:20.449
my God, where do we get that money? But we don't

00:49:20.449 --> 00:49:22.730
have money for Hawaii. We don't have money for

00:49:22.730 --> 00:49:25.429
the people starving in America. We don't have

00:49:25.429 --> 00:49:27.769
money to build a fucking wall. But we have that

00:49:27.769 --> 00:49:30.349
much money to throw out to Ukraine. Yep. Well,

00:49:30.449 --> 00:49:34.050
it's all laundered back through the military

00:49:34.050 --> 00:49:36.829
-industrial complex, and they're all getting

00:49:36.829 --> 00:49:39.610
kickbacks. That's a conspiracy theory, though,

00:49:39.670 --> 00:49:42.989
but just follow the money. Follow the money,

00:49:43.130 --> 00:49:46.710
people. So what's what's going on now? So Biden

00:49:46.710 --> 00:49:49.130
sold the leftover material from Trump's wall

00:49:49.130 --> 00:49:51.929
for pennies on the dollar. Yeah. And now Biden

00:49:51.929 --> 00:49:53.929
saying that he's going to build another 20 miles

00:49:53.929 --> 00:49:58.030
or whatever. Yeah. What's the net loss on that

00:49:58.030 --> 00:50:00.349
going to be for the taxpayers? Yeah, exactly.

00:50:00.670 --> 00:50:03.010
You know, the net loss, like you said, in dollars,

00:50:03.090 --> 00:50:05.510
what is it? But what is the net loss in American

00:50:05.510 --> 00:50:07.869
lives and resources from all the people they

00:50:07.869 --> 00:50:10.110
just let over without fucking checking? I mean,

00:50:10.130 --> 00:50:13.719
what's the net loss there? It's immeasurable,

00:50:13.860 --> 00:50:16.940
right? Right. Did anyone else think that was

00:50:16.940 --> 00:50:20.559
funny? I got an emergency test on my phone last

00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.900
week. Did you guys get that? Yes, sir. Yeah.

00:50:23.059 --> 00:50:25.340
They widely announced they were doing that. It

00:50:25.340 --> 00:50:29.239
was a massive test. I agree, but now all of a

00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:32.260
sudden we're at war again. Well, we're not, but

00:50:32.260 --> 00:50:34.559
there's a war going on, yet they didn't have

00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:36.460
any intelligence on that. I know it's a little

00:50:36.460 --> 00:50:38.969
bit conspiracy, but... Well, I was saying that

00:50:38.969 --> 00:50:41.550
earlier, Joe, that the Mossad completely missed

00:50:41.550 --> 00:50:44.110
this fucking whole thing. That's their number

00:50:44.110 --> 00:50:48.889
one job. And they missed this whole thing. People

00:50:48.889 --> 00:50:52.889
paraglided in. They freaking broke holes in the

00:50:52.889 --> 00:50:57.510
wall and en masse just came in after firing 5

00:50:57.510 --> 00:51:00.050
,000 rockets. Where the fuck did they all come

00:51:00.050 --> 00:51:03.630
from? Right. And had to hear this chatter going

00:51:03.630 --> 00:51:06.289
on while they were planning it. Yeah. Right.

00:51:06.730 --> 00:51:10.110
So that's that's that. I don't agree with what

00:51:10.110 --> 00:51:11.949
happened. I'm standing with Israel, but like

00:51:11.949 --> 00:51:14.590
it's I just that's fishy to me that Mossad had

00:51:14.590 --> 00:51:16.710
no idea. And they just there's just a complete

00:51:16.710 --> 00:51:19.489
surprise. It just doesn't make sense. Same same.

00:51:19.550 --> 00:51:22.010
I stand with Israel. But just to look at what

00:51:22.010 --> 00:51:25.130
Palestine looks like today, like they are literally

00:51:25.130 --> 00:51:28.090
bombing it to the ground and then sending in

00:51:28.090 --> 00:51:30.230
ground troops right after. I mean, oh, yeah.

00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:32.360
I get it. You know what I'm saying? After 9 -11,

00:51:32.539 --> 00:51:34.440
I wanted to fuck the world up. You know what

00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:36.320
I'm saying? After we were attacked. So I could

00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:38.719
only imagine what Israel feels. But, you know,

00:51:38.739 --> 00:51:41.840
when you look at it from an outside point of

00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:45.820
view, it's like people are, you know, it's just

00:51:45.820 --> 00:51:48.280
crazy. The amount of loss and devastation going

00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:50.639
on, you know, over there. It's just, it sucks

00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:54.079
all the way around. Yeah, I'm afraid it's going

00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:55.940
to be a little bit of a can of worms here. The

00:51:55.940 --> 00:52:01.269
Middle East is so complex. I'd heard today on

00:52:01.269 --> 00:52:04.710
the radio there that they had found a bunch of

00:52:04.710 --> 00:52:08.289
babies killed, little babies ripped out of women's

00:52:08.289 --> 00:52:10.929
stomachs with the umbilical cord still attached.

00:52:11.449 --> 00:52:16.530
I mean, some of them beheaded. Yep. Yeah. I don't

00:52:16.530 --> 00:52:20.369
know how, like, and I'm with Israel. I know that.

00:52:20.670 --> 00:52:22.949
that there's probably some type of point of view

00:52:22.949 --> 00:52:25.110
that palestine has not the terrorists or anything

00:52:25.110 --> 00:52:27.170
but just with their country and stuff i don't

00:52:27.170 --> 00:52:29.530
know enough to comment on it but how do you tell

00:52:29.530 --> 00:52:32.809
israel to lay down you know or to to stand down

00:52:32.809 --> 00:52:36.690
with that i mean i i can see why they're doing

00:52:36.690 --> 00:52:38.489
what they're doing if what we're hearing is true

00:52:38.489 --> 00:52:41.090
which i'm assuming right well again i'm dumb

00:52:41.090 --> 00:52:44.130
but i think what it really comes down to is that

00:52:44.130 --> 00:52:48.090
the israelites are saying that you know like

00:52:48.090 --> 00:52:51.400
this land was theirs and then For so long, it

00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.300
wasn't. And then at some point, I think America

00:52:54.300 --> 00:52:57.400
actually gave them back that land and said, Israel

00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:00.639
is yours. So I think the Palestinians are like,

00:53:00.699 --> 00:53:03.400
well, that came out of nowhere because for hundreds

00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:05.760
of years it was ours, you know, and then you

00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:09.659
just set up this state and say it's theirs. I

00:53:09.659 --> 00:53:12.659
think again, I don't I'm not 100 percent deep

00:53:12.659 --> 00:53:14.719
into what the fuck is going on outside of my

00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:17.750
own little realm. But just from bits and pieces

00:53:17.750 --> 00:53:20.949
of what I'm hearing, like, just imagine New Jersey

00:53:20.949 --> 00:53:24.630
all of a sudden was given to somebody else and

00:53:24.630 --> 00:53:27.550
is no longer America's, but it's this other country

00:53:27.550 --> 00:53:31.030
inside of our country. We'd probably be a little

00:53:31.030 --> 00:53:33.730
perturbed and try to get that back sometime as

00:53:33.730 --> 00:53:37.809
well. Chad, has the band ever played in any of

00:53:37.809 --> 00:53:41.539
those countries? hopefully not dubai or something

00:53:41.539 --> 00:53:43.519
i mean like you know i mean i didn't know like

00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:45.480
some of the american friendly countries like

00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:48.019
no never never went to the middle east anywhere

00:53:48.019 --> 00:53:51.440
over there to see what dubai's done like they

00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:53.800
were showing like uh pictures from like 20 years

00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:56.860
ago to now like the massive amount of build -up

00:53:56.860 --> 00:53:59.099
that they've done it's like a real tourist uh

00:53:59.099 --> 00:54:03.280
centric spot well they've they've heavily invested

00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:05.400
in that because you know oil is going to run

00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:09.039
out someday so sure That's what Saudi Arabia

00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:11.760
is doing now, building the line and all their

00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:14.599
gigantic construction projects they're doing.

00:54:15.380 --> 00:54:20.320
What do you guys think about these cities that

00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:22.099
they're building where they're like five -mile

00:54:22.099 --> 00:54:25.239
-long buildings and it's a city within a building?

00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:27.639
Have you heard of this? You're talking about

00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:31.900
the line? Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing. I mean,

00:54:31.940 --> 00:54:35.940
it's wild. It's dope. At first, when they first

00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:37.320
announced it, they were like, I'll never build

00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:42.760
this. Right. They're a walkthrough. Bill Hines

00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:45.420
walking through, yeah. How's Bill doing these

00:54:45.420 --> 00:54:55.079
days? He's good. Good. What up, Bill? How's George

00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:57.559
doing? I talked to George the other day. Oh,

00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.099
did you call? Yeah, he's good. yeah he's gonna

00:55:00.099 --> 00:55:03.340
get out of rehab on thursday and go live with

00:55:03.340 --> 00:55:07.739
his sister for a bit um up in new york for about

00:55:07.739 --> 00:55:09.719
another i think two or three weeks and then he's

00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:12.400
like after that two or three weeks he's good

00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:15.340
to go he can function on his own ready to rock

00:55:15.340 --> 00:55:20.880
and roll after after that crazy episode So does

00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:25.119
anybody know the story about Senior Week? I don't

00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:28.199
know if I told the story about Senior Week. Oh,

00:55:28.260 --> 00:55:31.360
boy. I mean, I've told some people, but not on

00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:33.980
here. But, yeah, it's a good one. Yeah, that's

00:55:33.980 --> 00:55:36.980
a good one. I'm talking about when the room got

00:55:36.980 --> 00:55:40.760
destroyed. Yeah, yeah. That's the only one. So

00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:43.199
our senior year, obviously, everyone around here

00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:46.039
would go to Ocean City, Maryland. Everyone from

00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:48.519
the York area goes there for some reason. I don't

00:55:48.519 --> 00:55:51.650
know why. just what you do so we were we and

00:55:51.650 --> 00:55:54.829
you know after everyone graduated there was a

00:55:54.829 --> 00:55:59.670
week dubbed senior week in ocean city and you

00:55:59.670 --> 00:56:02.389
go down there and just fucking go crazy so we

00:56:02.389 --> 00:56:05.690
rented this place it was the four of us in the

00:56:05.690 --> 00:56:08.929
band a couple other guys but joe were you in

00:56:08.929 --> 00:56:12.070
that room too no we i was down kind of with you

00:56:12.070 --> 00:56:14.489
guys but not not okay i think i ended up taking

00:56:14.489 --> 00:56:18.420
you guys home though you probably But I think

00:56:18.420 --> 00:56:22.820
B. Markle was with us. Oh, God rest. Yeah. I

00:56:22.820 --> 00:56:27.619
think he was in there. Well, this is 89. So,

00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:29.039
I mean, yeah, we had the band. We were still

00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:33.719
public affection at that point when we graduated.

00:56:33.980 --> 00:56:37.920
So, yeah, we go down there. We rent this one.

00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:42.280
It's like a one bedroom, like, you know, little

00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:45.539
condo thing. It's like we had like five or six.

00:56:45.949 --> 00:56:47.449
guys in there something like that i forget what

00:56:47.449 --> 00:56:51.929
it was um and so we're partying the whole week

00:56:51.929 --> 00:56:55.429
and one night people got fucking rowdy i wasn't

00:56:55.429 --> 00:56:58.269
there we i was somewhere trying to get laid probably

00:56:58.269 --> 00:57:02.610
and then uh come back and and uh like the fucking

00:57:02.610 --> 00:57:06.030
doors busted in the walls are all jacked up the

00:57:06.030 --> 00:57:08.969
ceiling is fucking broken like all this crazy

00:57:08.969 --> 00:57:11.880
shit went down we're like what the fuck And I

00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:14.260
think most of us that weren't that were actually

00:57:14.260 --> 00:57:16.239
renting a room weren't there when it happened,

00:57:16.300 --> 00:57:18.880
when all this shit happened. Of course. Otherwise,

00:57:19.059 --> 00:57:20.739
one of you has been like, oh, chill the fuck

00:57:20.739 --> 00:57:24.699
out. And so. So at first we were like, oh, this

00:57:24.699 --> 00:57:26.739
is fucking funny. So we'll just, you know, so

00:57:26.739 --> 00:57:28.619
it was kind of like almost like the last day.

00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:30.960
So we pack up our shit and we just roll home.

00:57:31.019 --> 00:57:37.860
Right. By the time we reached York, we're met

00:57:37.860 --> 00:57:41.659
at the door by our parents. I think we went to

00:57:41.659 --> 00:57:45.280
Chad's house first. My house. And we're met at

00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:47.380
the door by all of our parents and they are fucking

00:57:47.380 --> 00:57:52.019
pissed off. I mean, we're like, hi. So like apparently

00:57:52.019 --> 00:57:54.539
the state police had an APB out for us and like

00:57:54.539 --> 00:57:58.340
we were almost arrested if we were to get pulled

00:57:58.340 --> 00:58:02.059
over. Wow. So we get home. We're getting shit

00:58:02.059 --> 00:58:03.920
beat out of us by our parents like basically

00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:08.659
and the lady that owned the place wanted to charge

00:58:08.659 --> 00:58:11.820
us and you know. take us to court and all this

00:58:11.820 --> 00:58:15.780
stuff and so yeah yeah our parents ended up negotiating

00:58:15.780 --> 00:58:19.400
with her right that my father was a carpenter

00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:23.760
and matt gracie's father my my uncle tom was

00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:27.159
a carpenter as well and so uh chad taylor's stepdad

00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:30.880
came with this and we took the patrick's father

00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.199
actually came so we all we took so on father's

00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:38.760
day oh god of june of 89 we we take all the dads

00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:41.059
down to freaking And they're all pissed, dude.

00:58:41.099 --> 00:58:42.820
So we're driving down there and they're all fucking

00:58:42.820 --> 00:58:44.800
pissed in the car. It's four hours, you know?

00:58:44.980 --> 00:58:48.139
So we get there and we get to the place and we're

00:58:48.139 --> 00:58:50.199
like, they've negotiated that they're going to

00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.260
rehab the place, make it good as new, better

00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:55.820
than it was before. Fix the drywall on the doors

00:58:55.820 --> 00:58:58.739
and all this shit. We get down there and we ended

00:58:58.739 --> 00:59:00.800
up having to pay for it out of, you know, band

00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:03.119
money or whatever we were using at that time.

00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:06.840
So we get there, and the dads are all pissed,

00:59:06.940 --> 00:59:10.300
like I said. We open the door, and the dads walk

00:59:10.300 --> 00:59:12.179
in, and they're looking around, and they just

00:59:12.179 --> 00:59:14.860
start busting up laughing. All of them are just

00:59:14.860 --> 00:59:17.079
laughing, looking around like, God, this is fucking

00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:23.099
crazy. I've never done that. So we start laughing.

00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:25.019
So it ended up being a fucking great Father's

00:59:25.019 --> 00:59:27.460
Day. We all worked on this room, got it put back

00:59:27.460 --> 00:59:30.300
together, and they were fucking joking with us.

00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:31.800
But of course, in front of the moms, they had

00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:36.000
to be pissed. Right, right, right. But it was

00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:39.400
cool. I mean, it was hilarious when they walked

00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:40.960
in and started laughing their asses off. We're

00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:42.679
just like, what? We're all looking at each other

00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.440
like, why are they laughing? Oh, my God. They're

00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:47.039
like, yeah, we did something like this when we

00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:49.460
were your age. Right. Your dad's realized, hey,

00:59:49.539 --> 00:59:51.619
they're just boys having blown off some steam.

00:59:51.820 --> 00:59:54.400
It's like they were, you know, killing people.

00:59:55.699 --> 00:59:57.679
Haven't even recorded their first album yet in

00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:00.199
their trash and hotel room. That's right. Let's

01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:03.730
go. We had some cassettes of, I think, no, we

01:00:03.730 --> 01:00:08.150
did record Death of a Dictionary. Was that out

01:00:08.150 --> 01:00:09.429
by then? I don't remember. I don't know if we

01:00:09.429 --> 01:00:11.110
put it out yet, but we had recordings of it because

01:00:11.110 --> 01:00:14.530
we had recorded it before we graduated. I still

01:00:14.530 --> 01:00:17.650
have mine somewhere. Wow. Actually, I do know

01:00:17.650 --> 01:00:19.769
where it is. I used to have a bunch of T -shirts

01:00:19.769 --> 01:00:21.690
because I would help sell merch and sell tapes

01:00:21.690 --> 01:00:26.110
and that kind of stuff too. He was a man of many

01:00:26.110 --> 01:00:31.179
hats. I was just there for the fun, but it was

01:00:31.179 --> 01:00:32.880
crazy to see. To be along for the ride is cool.

01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:36.719
Yeah, you know, and that was cool. We had a lot

01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.940
of fun back then. I mean, just because it was

01:00:39.940 --> 01:00:42.599
new. Obviously, I wasn't in the band. I was just

01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.380
kind of a hang -around guy, but it was a new

01:00:45.380 --> 01:00:47.320
experience for me, a new experience for them,

01:00:47.460 --> 01:00:51.579
and it was just crazy. I mean, I remember being

01:00:51.579 --> 01:00:54.380
at CBGB's and Joey Ramone sitting there, you

01:00:54.380 --> 01:00:58.809
know? Wow. Yeah. Shit, like. Wow. Joe Ramone

01:00:58.809 --> 01:01:01.230
came to see us, and I think Debbie Harris came

01:01:01.230 --> 01:01:05.869
to see us, Blondie. Yeah, man. The guy who ended

01:01:05.869 --> 01:01:08.010
up signing us named Gary Kerfirst, and he was

01:01:08.010 --> 01:01:11.590
a legendary manager, and he had a joint venture

01:01:11.590 --> 01:01:14.030
record label with MCA Universal at the time.

01:01:14.690 --> 01:01:18.449
And so he signed us, but he managed the Ramones,

01:01:18.530 --> 01:01:22.409
the Talking Heads, Blondie, James Addiction at

01:01:22.409 --> 01:01:26.739
one point. Wow. So he, you know, this guy. was

01:01:26.739 --> 01:01:29.940
tied into the new york music scene well i heard

01:01:29.940 --> 01:01:32.739
that you guys were so tight in concert because

01:01:32.739 --> 01:01:35.780
technically you didn't see many concerts as kids

01:01:35.780 --> 01:01:38.440
so like you thought like you had to be as good

01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:41.320
as like you know the album so that's why you

01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:43.500
guys were so phenomenal in concert is there any

01:01:43.500 --> 01:01:46.360
truth to that it is true we didn't see a lot

01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:48.599
of shows because you know we're in york so there's

01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:51.380
not a lot of people play here but i don't know

01:01:51.380 --> 01:01:53.800
if that there was because of that that we We

01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:55.739
just wanted to be the best band we could though.

01:01:55.980 --> 01:01:59.920
Yeah. And we felt like, you know, playing what

01:01:59.920 --> 01:02:02.139
you play on the record was very important. Sure.

01:02:02.219 --> 01:02:04.300
That's, that's how we went about it. And we just,

01:02:04.380 --> 01:02:06.280
and then we ended up naming ourselves live. So

01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:08.559
we had, no, we had to live up to that too. Dude,

01:02:08.619 --> 01:02:11.820
you look at Ed from back then, like the way he's

01:02:11.820 --> 01:02:13.380
walking across the stage, I feel like he took

01:02:13.380 --> 01:02:15.519
some moves from Hitler or something. He was like

01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:19.480
walking across like, like some crazy German or

01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:22.280
something. yeah he was just like he had like

01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:24.420
a lot of anger to him it's it almost reminds

01:02:24.420 --> 01:02:26.360
me of like yeah i don't know what hitler is saying

01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:28.639
whenever he's saying something but uh he seems

01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:31.139
to have that march and that like angry tone in

01:02:31.139 --> 01:02:33.880
his voice because if you listen to like live

01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:36.519
stuff for mental jewelry ever like he was really

01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:40.119
graspy voice like it's not like the ed of today

01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:43.219
really yeah well i mean i think he would say

01:02:43.219 --> 01:02:44.900
he didn't really know how to sing at that point

01:02:44.900 --> 01:02:48.579
that was just him faking it you know wow As he

01:02:48.579 --> 01:02:50.559
got older, he figured out how to control his

01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:53.239
diaphragm and, you know. Yeah, the difference.

01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:58.699
Yeah, just the vocal range from mental jewelry

01:02:58.699 --> 01:03:01.159
to throwing copper, you know. Not that it sounds

01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:02.860
like different people, but there's just a lot

01:03:02.860 --> 01:03:08.659
more range there. Yeah. Singing lessons and being

01:03:08.659 --> 01:03:10.820
able to use your diaphragm properly and support

01:03:10.820 --> 01:03:13.750
your... I still don't understand how people use

01:03:13.750 --> 01:03:15.809
the diaphragm. Like I sing, it's all through.

01:03:15.969 --> 01:03:18.969
I have no idea where it's coming from. You know,

01:03:18.989 --> 01:03:23.449
I'm in the shower. So I'm not front of the band.

01:03:23.570 --> 01:03:27.210
Yeah. So Joe, when did, when did you stop being

01:03:27.210 --> 01:03:30.889
a hype man or like, when did they, you know,

01:03:30.889 --> 01:03:34.769
kind of outgrow Joe? Throw, throw me to the curb.

01:03:34.809 --> 01:03:39.420
No. I want to say it was the MTV tour. ah um

01:03:39.420 --> 01:03:41.619
all the big yeah that was our first big nationwide

01:03:41.619 --> 01:03:46.420
tour nationwide yeah um and it was tough because

01:03:46.420 --> 01:03:49.219
you know like at that time i mean i had an apartment

01:03:49.219 --> 01:03:52.219
i would work in construction you know when these

01:03:52.219 --> 01:03:54.440
guys started playing and you know doing these

01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:56.820
little kind of mini tours and stuff it was just

01:03:56.820 --> 01:04:01.059
i couldn't do it right but that was the one i

01:04:01.059 --> 01:04:05.489
kind of remember being like damn like Yeah, because

01:04:05.489 --> 01:04:09.530
that was with Johnny Rotten and Public Energy

01:04:09.530 --> 01:04:11.349
Limited at that time was his band. And then B

01:04:11.349 --> 01:04:15.250
.A .D., Big Audio Dynamite, Mick Jones. And that

01:04:15.250 --> 01:04:18.150
was a crazy first tour to do as a band, like

01:04:18.150 --> 01:04:20.489
a first nationwide tour. And the opening was

01:04:20.489 --> 01:04:22.849
Blind Melon. So it was Blind Melon, Us. Wow.

01:04:23.210 --> 01:04:27.190
And Blind Melon, Christopher Thorne is from Dover.

01:04:27.730 --> 01:04:30.369
So we had a connection there. Nice. And then,

01:04:30.449 --> 01:04:33.789
of course, you got to watch Johnny Lydon every

01:04:33.789 --> 01:04:37.750
night. and then fucking Mick Jones from The Clash.

01:04:37.769 --> 01:04:40.050
I was like, what the fuck is this? How did we

01:04:40.050 --> 01:04:42.630
end up on this thing? But the drummer who was

01:04:42.630 --> 01:04:47.389
playing with P .I .L. I can't remember now. Oh,

01:04:47.389 --> 01:04:48.909
no, it was P .I .L. The drummer who was playing

01:04:48.909 --> 01:04:50.730
with P .I .L. was Mike Joyce from The Smiths.

01:04:51.210 --> 01:04:53.570
I was a big Smiths fan, so we got to hang out

01:04:53.570 --> 01:04:58.110
with him. But there were some crazy... He would

01:04:58.110 --> 01:05:01.690
try to lure us into rooms as young boys, and

01:05:01.690 --> 01:05:05.969
that was not cool. But anyway. It was cool. Chad,

01:05:07.690 --> 01:05:10.789
who, who have you met? That was like your biggest,

01:05:10.849 --> 01:05:13.489
like aha moment. Like, Oh my God, I'm in the

01:05:13.489 --> 01:05:15.710
room with so -and -so. Was it, was there anybody

01:05:15.710 --> 01:05:20.989
that comes to mind? Cause you've seen guys from

01:05:20.989 --> 01:05:23.889
YouTube. I mean, I huge YouTube fan, but the

01:05:23.889 --> 01:05:26.130
only guy I have not met from YouTube is of course,

01:05:26.150 --> 01:05:29.329
Larry, the drummer. Oh my God. I mean, I've been

01:05:29.329 --> 01:05:32.559
in a room with Bono. met the edge and Adam couple

01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:37.460
of times. In fact, went to see them in 91 or

01:05:37.460 --> 01:05:41.199
not. No 92 or 93. They were doing, I forget which

01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:44.380
tour it was, but we, we had established ourselves,

01:05:44.380 --> 01:05:47.139
but so we bought tickets and, or we got tickets.

01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:49.139
And then while we were sitting in our seats,

01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:51.639
the security guard came out and got to say, Hey,

01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:56.340
you know, backstage. Okay. yeah at that moment

01:05:56.340 --> 01:05:59.300
do you do you feel like um you know like we're

01:05:59.300 --> 01:06:01.159
not worthy or are you like yeah i belong here

01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:03.320
oh absolutely yeah i was like oh they want oh

01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:05.519
they know who we are and they invited us backstage

01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:07.380
that's fucking cool so it ended up being adam

01:06:07.380 --> 01:06:09.500
and the edge but you know which is great it was

01:06:09.500 --> 01:06:11.940
fucking cool talk to them hell yeah they were

01:06:11.940 --> 01:06:16.420
fans um and then What happened was, so later,

01:06:16.539 --> 01:06:19.420
like around 94, we were starting to, you know,

01:06:19.420 --> 01:06:21.460
Throwing Copper was starting to pop and we were

01:06:21.460 --> 01:06:23.280
doing headlines, starting to do headline stuff.

01:06:23.380 --> 01:06:26.699
And we were offered a headline theater tour.

01:06:28.460 --> 01:06:30.599
But at the same time, we were offered an opening

01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:34.719
slot for U2. Oh my God. So that was a hard choice.

01:06:34.980 --> 01:06:39.119
Yeah. But because we were more focused on our,

01:06:39.219 --> 01:06:42.079
you know, being a headline band ourselves. Right.

01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:45.699
We decided to do the theater tour. well do you

01:06:45.699 --> 01:06:47.900
think like because i feel like opening up for

01:06:47.900 --> 01:06:50.699
you too like you're both of your music fits so

01:06:50.699 --> 01:06:52.659
well together that could have been a big fan

01:06:52.659 --> 01:06:54.659
grab for you guys um it would have been a good

01:06:54.659 --> 01:06:56.820
thing yes absolutely but we all made the decision

01:06:56.820 --> 01:06:59.300
that we wanted to do our headline theater tour

01:06:59.300 --> 01:07:00.699
we thought that would be better for our career

01:07:00.699 --> 01:07:07.360
at that point um but though cut to 2022 and now

01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:11.880
i have this friend uh brian who is a business

01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:14.170
partner with jerry harrison the talking heads

01:07:14.170 --> 01:07:18.849
who produced a bunch of our records and uh and

01:07:18.849 --> 01:07:21.210
they it's great to see stop making sense back

01:07:21.210 --> 01:07:23.869
in theaters by the way and and the and the band

01:07:23.869 --> 01:07:26.929
sort of back together at least all four of them

01:07:26.929 --> 01:07:31.590
in a room that was cool to see for sure um if

01:07:31.590 --> 01:07:33.409
they could get david to do a tour that'd be freaking

01:07:33.409 --> 01:07:36.289
amazing but anyway so they were having so jerry

01:07:36.289 --> 01:07:39.449
and brian were having dinner somehow with larry

01:07:39.449 --> 01:07:42.530
mullins oh wow and so brian's like hey you know

01:07:43.050 --> 01:07:46.570
know the guys in live and i know that chad gracie

01:07:46.570 --> 01:07:48.289
is a big fan of yours and he's like oh yeah i

01:07:48.289 --> 01:07:49.949
remember those guys they wouldn't open for us

01:07:49.949 --> 01:07:53.489
he's still fucking pissed about it damn it damn

01:07:53.489 --> 01:07:57.550
it yeah it's the one guy i want to meet right

01:07:57.550 --> 01:08:00.130
still because larry larry larry runs that band

01:08:00.130 --> 01:08:02.070
and he fucking would pick all the openers and

01:08:02.070 --> 01:08:04.690
we were one of the very few bands that say no

01:08:04.690 --> 01:08:08.469
wow dude so you're so i'm like what a fuck up

01:08:08.469 --> 01:08:11.849
uh yeah i know Someday if I meet him, I'll have

01:08:11.849 --> 01:08:15.010
to apologize. Yeah, for sure. So sorry, Mr. Mr.

01:08:15.170 --> 01:08:18.550
Mullen. So sorry. When was it that you guys did

01:08:18.550 --> 01:08:20.510
the Jane's addiction tour where you actually

01:08:20.510 --> 01:08:23.390
did like a full acoustic set before they came

01:08:23.390 --> 01:08:25.750
on? And I think you guys called it, you were

01:08:25.750 --> 01:08:29.869
the lube to the sex act. Yeah. Did we call it

01:08:29.869 --> 01:08:34.930
that? Yeah. That was in 2000 through two or three,

01:08:34.970 --> 01:08:37.510
somewhere in there. That was killer, man. We

01:08:37.510 --> 01:08:39.069
were asked to open for them and we're like, yeah,

01:08:39.069 --> 01:08:41.609
we'll go do it. And so we get on. So we, so we,

01:08:41.609 --> 01:08:44.409
the first few shows we did full electric, but

01:08:44.409 --> 01:08:47.489
like they would cut the lights down to like a

01:08:47.489 --> 01:08:49.289
quarter and they would cut the fucking sound

01:08:49.289 --> 01:08:51.569
in half. And like, so it was like, we weren't

01:08:51.569 --> 01:08:53.930
translating because, and I don't know if it was

01:08:53.930 --> 01:08:56.229
the band doing that or the production, you know,

01:08:56.229 --> 01:08:59.689
who knows. So we were like, well, fuck this.

01:08:59.729 --> 01:09:02.449
We're going to go like full anti rock show now.

01:09:02.569 --> 01:09:04.710
And so we went out and bought like fucking. and

01:09:04.710 --> 01:09:07.989
i think it was ed or chad's idea whatever we

01:09:07.989 --> 01:09:11.250
went out and bought like antique furniture and

01:09:11.250 --> 01:09:13.569
like fucking coveralls and we were like okay

01:09:13.569 --> 01:09:16.409
we're just gonna do fucking acoustic now dude

01:09:16.409 --> 01:09:19.970
it was and yeah i mean it worked it was like

01:09:19.970 --> 01:09:22.869
it was like you know we'll anti since we can't

01:09:22.869 --> 01:09:25.609
have full you know full pa and full lights we'll

01:09:25.609 --> 01:09:28.250
just go fucking anti and do acoustic makes sense

01:09:28.250 --> 01:09:31.460
yeah it totally worked i mean I think this was,

01:09:31.460 --> 01:09:34.140
you know, not far or maybe a year or two after

01:09:34.140 --> 01:09:37.460
9 -11, but Ed wrapped himself in like American

01:09:37.460 --> 01:09:39.899
flag and was singing overcome and shit. Like

01:09:39.899 --> 01:09:42.260
it was just powerful. Yeah. We did that in Madison

01:09:42.260 --> 01:09:43.840
square garden or he did that in Madison square

01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:46.800
garden. That was like huge. Yeah. Huge. Went

01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:49.060
over very well. Went over very well. I mean,

01:09:49.060 --> 01:09:51.880
and, but what a way to kind of combat because.

01:09:52.539 --> 01:09:55.500
i mean you guys are gonna kill it just as much

01:09:55.500 --> 01:09:57.380
as jane's addiction so yeah you probably would

01:09:57.380 --> 01:09:59.520
have stole a lot of fans going full electric

01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:03.279
so to do that switch like that was you know smart

01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:05.560
on on both ends because it was like all right

01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:08.020
so let me show you what we could do musically

01:10:08.020 --> 01:10:10.840
here chill and acoustic and then let these guys

01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:12.899
come out and like close the show rock it out

01:10:12.899 --> 01:10:15.439
yeah i mean they had you know obviously full

01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:17.619
production they had dancers and like fucking

01:10:17.619 --> 01:10:19.920
strippers and shit it was a great show i mean

01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:21.760
it was and i'm a fan so it was fucking cool to

01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:24.859
watch but on the other hand i'm like why can't

01:10:24.859 --> 01:10:26.460
we have fucking full pa like what are you scared

01:10:26.460 --> 01:10:28.880
like you're a fucking great band you're not going

01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:30.420
to we're not going to take anything away from

01:10:30.420 --> 01:10:33.170
you by having the same same pa ever yeah whatever

01:10:33.170 --> 01:10:35.789
you never know dude i mean you guys in concert

01:10:35.789 --> 01:10:38.630
were just there's not many people i've got i'm

01:10:38.630 --> 01:10:40.909
gonna i don't think i've seen a band better than

01:10:40.909 --> 01:10:42.850
you guys when you guys are at your best to be

01:10:42.850 --> 01:10:44.909
honest and i've seen a lot of fucking bands in

01:10:44.909 --> 01:10:48.310
concert i i lived um you know at concerts for

01:10:48.310 --> 01:10:51.770
like my 20s and 30s but uh you guys just always

01:10:51.770 --> 01:10:54.850
took great pride in i mean yeah we when we go

01:10:54.850 --> 01:10:57.550
on stage as a unit back in those days it was

01:10:57.550 --> 01:10:59.069
like we're going out there to fucking kill like

01:10:59.069 --> 01:11:02.689
we're going to do this Rock on. Taking no enemies.

01:11:03.350 --> 01:11:05.710
Absolutely. It's like Israel fucking just, you

01:11:05.710 --> 01:11:08.789
know, paving Gaza. Taking no enemies. Yeah, they're

01:11:08.789 --> 01:11:11.170
going fucking ham. So, Joe, anything else before

01:11:11.170 --> 01:11:13.850
we go? I usually cut the show around an hour

01:11:13.850 --> 01:11:18.130
-ish, a little longer. Yeah, I've got two quick

01:11:18.130 --> 01:11:19.409
questions I'd like to ask Chad, if you don't

01:11:19.409 --> 01:11:22.310
mind. Please. I didn't even think about it until

01:11:22.310 --> 01:11:24.569
we're kind of reminiscing here. I wanted to know

01:11:24.569 --> 01:11:29.100
the Howard Stern birthday party show. I never

01:11:29.100 --> 01:11:32.119
knew, like that one just popped up. Like, I didn't

01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:33.939
know you guys were doing it. You know, like I

01:11:33.939 --> 01:11:35.020
said, we hadn't spoken in a while. And I was

01:11:35.020 --> 01:11:38.079
like, holy shit. Like, was that fun? Like, I

01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:39.640
would imagine that would be debauchery because

01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:41.659
that was back in Howard's heyday. Yeah, that

01:11:41.659 --> 01:11:45.000
was pretty wild. We had played the show and then

01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.539
he was, he loved selling the drama. It was one

01:11:47.539 --> 01:11:49.619
of his favorite songs. And so they asked us kind

01:11:49.619 --> 01:11:51.079
of last minute to do that. And we just happened

01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:54.720
to be in or around New York. And so, yeah, I

01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:56.500
forget where it was. Some venue, some theater

01:11:56.500 --> 01:11:59.739
somewhere. in new york and yeah they asked us

01:11:59.739 --> 01:12:02.020
to do we came in yeah they had all the all the

01:12:02.020 --> 01:12:05.140
rat brat or what do they call them uh whack pack

01:12:05.140 --> 01:12:07.500
there all those guys it was i mean it was fucking

01:12:07.500 --> 01:12:11.100
hilarious but it was cool as well for you guys

01:12:11.100 --> 01:12:13.020
to be there like i didn't know there was no like

01:12:13.020 --> 01:12:14.880
announcement live's gonna be there and then when

01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:17.859
i saw it i was like oh shit yeah same it was

01:12:17.859 --> 01:12:21.779
very last minute i remember that the uh and then

01:12:21.779 --> 01:12:24.779
the saturday night live gig man i heard uh Did

01:12:24.779 --> 01:12:26.739
you guys end up being on Saturday Night Live

01:12:26.739 --> 01:12:29.579
with Alanis or something? Was that the same time?

01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:33.039
I remember some connection between you guys and

01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:36.760
Alanis. I don't remember being on the show with

01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:43.840
her. We did it twice in 95 and 97. Yeah. 97 was

01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:48.619
for Secret Samadhi. Yeah. I don't know. I mean,

01:12:48.739 --> 01:12:51.619
we were making Secret Samadhi in New York, and

01:12:51.619 --> 01:12:54.500
so we went to Saturday Night Live. just to go

01:12:54.500 --> 01:12:57.399
fucking check it out a couple of times once when

01:12:57.399 --> 01:13:01.520
robman was was uh hosting hung out with him and

01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:03.380
i think the cure play because i remember seeing

01:13:03.380 --> 01:13:05.960
robert smith and introduced myself and he was

01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:10.039
just like who the fuck are you little did he

01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:12.319
know as you could imagine robert smith to be

01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:15.260
i mean you know he's he's he seems very aloof

01:13:15.260 --> 01:13:18.739
and he was but that's fine as you should be as

01:13:18.739 --> 01:13:24.850
a rock star i mean yeah But the Rodman stories

01:13:24.850 --> 01:13:28.970
are good. Oh, those were crazy. Rodman coming

01:13:28.970 --> 01:13:30.649
out on stage with you guys. I'm like, what the

01:13:30.649 --> 01:13:33.010
fuck is this band? Like, what are they doing

01:13:33.010 --> 01:13:35.069
with Rodman? They seem so wholesome. And they

01:13:35.069 --> 01:13:37.510
got this crazy ass dude coming up singing. In

01:13:37.510 --> 01:13:41.470
96, we were, I don't know if we were playing

01:13:41.470 --> 01:13:45.289
in New York or maybe recording, but like somehow

01:13:45.289 --> 01:13:47.310
there was a connection. He wanted us to come

01:13:47.310 --> 01:13:51.289
hang out in his hotel room. He was a fan. I don't

01:13:51.289 --> 01:13:53.420
know. We went to hang out in his hotel room.

01:13:54.579 --> 01:13:57.239
And he was having breakfast. You know, he's got

01:13:57.239 --> 01:13:58.960
crazy hotel rooms, I'm sure. Yeah, and there

01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:01.560
was somebody in the, it was a suite, somebody

01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:03.079
in the bedroom. I don't know who was in there.

01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:06.020
Madonna, maybe, yeah. It could have been Madonna.

01:14:06.260 --> 01:14:09.340
Who the fuck knows? So we had breakfast with

01:14:09.340 --> 01:14:10.739
him in his room. That's the first time we met

01:14:10.739 --> 01:14:14.039
him. And then he would just come to a show. Like,

01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:15.800
who's not going to let Robin into a show? So

01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:18.600
he would just show up, come onto the stage. fucking

01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:21.819
jump around you guys he would sing with you guys

01:14:21.819 --> 01:14:23.720
and jump around it was like i was like this is

01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:27.159
crazy yeah it was funny and you know you couldn't

01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:29.239
couldn't say no he was just gonna fucking come

01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:31.380
up there anyway so i was like okay yeah right

01:14:31.380 --> 01:14:37.100
yeah right right security um right but yeah man

01:14:37.100 --> 01:14:40.500
you guys we definitely uh gotta dive more into

01:14:40.500 --> 01:14:43.460
your snl and your howard stern appearances on

01:14:43.460 --> 01:14:46.060
this show because uh there's just they're cool

01:14:46.060 --> 01:14:49.170
stories there like what made you guys i love

01:14:49.170 --> 01:14:51.770
the song but hero psycho dreamer is such a fast

01:14:51.770 --> 01:14:55.130
like three like maybe two and a half minutes

01:14:55.130 --> 01:14:57.229
song like why would you pick that as one of your

01:14:57.229 --> 01:15:00.189
songs like uh on snl the second time yeah we

01:15:00.189 --> 01:15:01.949
played luchini's juice and then i don't know

01:15:01.949 --> 01:15:05.130
i don't know how we decided to pick that song

01:15:05.130 --> 01:15:07.630
to do i don't know it was awesome it was all

01:15:07.630 --> 01:15:11.310
rock out i guess yeah yeah show people you guys

01:15:11.310 --> 01:15:13.489
rocking out because that's a nice fast rocking

01:15:13.489 --> 01:15:18.899
song All righty then. Well, thank you, ladies

01:15:18.899 --> 01:15:21.060
and gentlemen, for checking us out. Week five,

01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:24.180
we have guests coming on every week, apparently.

01:15:24.220 --> 01:15:26.359
Joe, I want to thank you for coming on. You definitely

01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:29.300
gave some cool -ass stories from the early days.

01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:31.640
Yes, sir. Thank you, Joe. Good to see you, bud.

01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:34.460
Yeah, thank you, man. And I'd love to do it again

01:15:34.460 --> 01:15:36.760
sometime. We'll come up with some more good ones

01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:39.520
for him. Absolutely, dude. You have an open invitation

01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:43.609
for sure. and uh the gracious two putting the

01:15:43.609 --> 01:15:45.770
shit in bullshit chat anything you want to let

01:15:45.770 --> 01:15:49.909
the audience know um no just again thank you

01:15:49.909 --> 01:15:52.750
for joining and we'll see you next week i want

01:15:52.750 --> 01:15:55.189
to leave the audience with this uh i don't know

01:15:55.189 --> 01:15:57.529
which side of the coin you guys are on but please

01:15:57.529 --> 01:16:00.989
please do some of your research and don't just

01:16:00.989 --> 01:16:05.229
listen to NBC, CNN, Fox, do some independent

01:16:05.229 --> 01:16:08.550
research. Get some knowledge going because the

01:16:08.550 --> 01:16:12.350
world is a crazy place right now. And we have

01:16:12.350 --> 01:16:15.670
powers to vote these people in and out. So kind

01:16:15.670 --> 01:16:16.970
of pay attention to what's going on, people.

01:16:17.329 --> 01:16:22.289
That's my PSA for the day. 100%. Later, people.

01:16:22.510 --> 01:16:23.050
Later.