The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 009 - Jimmy Lang pt. 1

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Got it. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, we are

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live and back on the channel. Bobby. What up,

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Bobby? Say hi to your audience and then mute

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yourself. Hello, everybody. Yes. For those who

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don't know, that's Bobby. That's our young Bobby,

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our young Jamie, as they say. What up, Chad?

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You know, chilling. Chilling like a villain?

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Chilling like a villain. Looks like for our guest

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today, this guy has the vast knowledge of our

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band. It's probably only equaled by mine and

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the other three members. I was going to say,

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maybe he remembers more. He probably does. Yeah.

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And he was kind of the unofficial photographer

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of the band. He has a ton of great pictures of

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us over the years as well. Oh, yeah. And, you

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know, good video, too. He took video. Yeah, I'm

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videoing him. Your 1998 with Live, I guess because

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you were in the process of writing The Distance

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to Here and just got over that big World Secrets

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of Monty tour. 1998, you guys really only did

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a handful of shows, maybe 10 to maybe 15, but

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Tibetan Freedom Concert was one of them. Oh,

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yes. And every other year, they have great, almost

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soundboard -quality concerts of you guys that

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fans could find or whatever. But 1998, none of

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them sound good. And I believe Jimmy Lang, who's

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our guest coming on later, has some good um recorded

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uh song you know concerts from that year nice

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yeah man chameleon club you guys played there

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once or twice that year stone pony yeah that

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was a you know we often play the chameleon probably

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we're trying out some new songs for just to hear

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too i would imagine oh yeah i remember so when

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i saw you guys at the stone pony that year um

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Again, I've said this to you, but you don't really

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remember. You had pulled up the Stone Pony. I

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ran up to your Land Rover, Range Rover. We said

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hello. You were really nice and gracious. My

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mother was there. But the concert, you had the

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guy from Blind Melon, I believe, Chris Thorne.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. Chris was playing the guitar.

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I think he did some slide guitar. And then you

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played four songs that I knew that night. the

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rest were all brand new and either coming on

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the distance to hear the next year or um you

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know they didn't get released or one song went

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to five album five overcome so for somebody like

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me who's used to going to your shows and um you

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know knowing every song uh you know and and to

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only know four it was cool man and first time

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i heard them like these are all great this album's

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gonna be amazing Thank you. Yeah, it's cool.

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We go out and play it while we used to do this.

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We go out and play the songs live and you get

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different parts or different sections or different

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feels to the song and then record it. Absolutely.

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So do we all know that it is election day? Oh,

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that's right. Yeah, man. It's like minor elections

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all over the country, right? Mayors and all that

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kind of stuff going on. Yeah. From what I'm hearing

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about... New Jersey is that the, every seat in

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the New Jersey legislature is up for grabs in

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today's general election. So that's pretty big.

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That's pretty big. So get out and vote, people,

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because I am, especially in New Jersey, every

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seat's up for grabs. We have the opportunity

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to get the Democrats out. And New Jersey. So

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fucking, I know that's a long shot, but I mean,

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we, something's got to change, right? I mean,

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the shit's not going right. So you might as well

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try the shoe on a different foot, so to speak.

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Yeah. Yeah. Vote conservative. You figure out

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that you're not a racist and, you know, whatever

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they paint us to be. Yeah. This is, you know,

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you keep voting for the same. party or people

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and keep getting the same, you know, you want

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different outcomes, but you keep getting the

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same outcomes and voting for the same party.

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It's like people in California that move out

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to Texas and then still vote blue there. It's

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like just raffles. It's strange. But, you know,

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you guys can make changes today. So let's go

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out there and do that. Who is excited about Apple's

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announcement last week? Anybody besides me? I

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mean, they announced, what, some new chips and

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stuff? I don't know exactly what they announced.

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I missed it. Yeah, so let me dive in for you.

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Okay, let's talk about it. Yeah, Apple announced

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a new iMac, which is their all -in -one computer,

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and they haven't refreshed that in three years,

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maybe going on four, something like that. And

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I personally actually need or needed a new iMac

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because I had my iMac in the studio. But first

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of all, I needed one to begin with. It was from

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like 2009, 2010. It still worked like a champ.

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You know what I'm saying? You had a PC from that

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era. Good luck. But I was going to open the vent

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above in the podcast studio. And rather than

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get... move the table and get a step ladder.

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I stepped on the edge of the table, and I have

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a lot of weight on my side of it. Oh, shit, no.

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Yeah, the fucking whole iMac came down and cracked

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the big screen, 27 -inch screen. Oh, you got

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the 27 -inch iMac, right? Yeah. And this was

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a 2009, 2010 edition, so it has a glass screen,

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and then behind that screen is the... actual

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monitor you know the actual part that puts the

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image on it oh sure yeah so it's really just

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the outside of it that cracked but in doing that

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it did dead some pixels so i needed a new one

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anyway and um lo and behold i was at the apple

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store going to get uh my iphone fix i broke i

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never wear cases on it i always go caseless but

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now i'm back on the case oh yeah Cause I dropped

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it a bunch of times. I broke both the front and

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the back. And they said, if you do that, we replaced

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the whole phone. So I had Apple care, 99 bucks,

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brand new phone. Let's go. Um, and I asked the

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guy, I'm like, dude, I need a new iMac, but it's

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been a couple of years since they refreshed the

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lineup. You know, like, should I wait? Like you

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think it's coming out soon? Cause I kind of need

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one ASAP. And he's like, I don't know. He's like,

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but they do have a scary event coming up. you

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know, that they announced it was either on Halloween

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or the day before. I believe it was on Halloween.

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And he's like, so they're coming out then. I'm

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like, dude, are you playing, bro? I'm like, or,

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you know, are you playing? He's like, no. He's

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like, are you playing? Yeah. He's like, well,

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I'm kind of playing, but I'm not. They are having

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an event that day. I just don't know what's in

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it. Ah, right. Yeah. So I was like, all right,

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fuck it. I might as well wait. What's a couple

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days when I've been waiting since 2009 or 10?

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And lo and behold, so I said the last time it

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was like three or four years ago, it had the

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Apple M1 chip in it. Now it has the Apple M3

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chip. It's the first chip built on three nanometers.

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So the chip, I think the... One before and the

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closest was five nanometers. So they dropped

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to two, which is crazy. Yes, Bobby, please. So

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it's crazy. And, you know, I think the base model

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starts at $1 ,299. The one I'm looking at is

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about $1 ,899. Oh, they brought back the cool

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colors like the old IMAX back in the early 2000s.

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I got one of those. So stupid me didn't have

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it to where Rob Bobby Yankee could share, but

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now you should be able to, buddy. Yeah, so they

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brought back the colors. Do you remember when

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the iMac first came out? No. But it was like

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a big fishbowl -looking monitor thing? Yeah,

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I remember. I have one. I have one of those.

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That's the first iMac I ever had. Oh, my God.

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Did you feel just, like, cool as hell? Yeah.

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I had a good one. Right? So there you go. There

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they are. The colors, they're so cute. How beautiful.

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I'm getting the blue. Go ahead. Is it two blues

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or just one blue? It looks like a blue and a

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purplish blue. Yes. I was torn between three.

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The one all the way to the left, green, exactly

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what they're saying. And then the one, the second

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from the right is the blue. But then, yeah, to

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the left is purple. But if you look at the base

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of the purple. That gets a little girly for me.

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That's not a purple. It's a little lilac -y,

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isn't it? Yes. The dark one. Oh, Bobby, you know

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what? Let me do this. I can't believe they're

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going to make a pink one. Bobby, I'm going to

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request you to control the screen. So just grant

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that to me. So I can actually scroll. Perfect.

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Click to start. There we go. Okay. I'm trying

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to use it like a Mac. Wait a second here. You

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are... Okay, there we go. It's just delayed.

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Okay. All right, so... Oh, I'm sorry. It's looked

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at $13 .99. Bobby, do you have your shit? Oh,

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because you're on a VPN. Okay. So I'm like, why

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is it giving us the price in pounds? Bobby does

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illegal stuff on there and he's on the VPN. But

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if you look at this right here... Oh, it doesn't

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show the peripherals. Oh, yeah, there we go.

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So up in the top right -hand corner, if you could

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see it, it shows it's got matching mouse and

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a matching keyboard to match the color of the

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computer. You see that, Jeff? Oh, nice. Yeah.

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Yeah, it looks great. And then you can switch

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the colors here to see. But look at this purple

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jacket. I was all about it, but that is very,

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like you said, lilac -y. It's for the girls.

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Right. You've got to get the blue one. Exactly.

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They should have made a pink one, man. I know.

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They brought the black iMac Pro. I saw that,

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all black. Yes, sir. Did I tell you that, too?

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No, I saw that. I did see that. I checked that

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out, but I didn't see the iMac, so I didn't scroll

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down far enough. Gotcha. Well, that was another

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thing. My 16 -inch MacBook Pro got stolen from

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my... Yeah, so that's another... You're going

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to be $5 ,000 into Apple here soon. 100%, a little

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bit over, I think. Yeah. But anyhow, all right,

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Bobby, you can stop that sharing. Oh, actually,

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Bobby, go to the 3 -chip on there. I'm going

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to give you that sharing back. It's amazing how

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thin it is. It's like a laptop on a stand now.

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It's amazing. Right. So stop participant sharing.

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All right, Bobby, so I stopped you from sharing.

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Pull up the M3 chip and bring up some info because

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I want to chat just how revolutionary it is.

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Are you familiar with Moore's Law? You know Moore's

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Law, right? No. Moore's Law is like the computational

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speed will double every 18 months, and it has

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since they started like on chips. Oh, wow. And

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it's still holding true. Like every 18 months,

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the speed doubles. I mean, I think this is true

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for Apple, but for Intel chips too, because it

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seems like... It's like chips, Moore's Law kind

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of affects the whole world of computing. So you

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know that Apple computers, MacBooks, all that

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stuff, it used to be they were Intel processors

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in there. Yes. And then the M1 chip was the first

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silicone that Apple invented themselves. and

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it's just legendary. It used to be where the

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gaming computers were PC, but now when the M1

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chip came out, it changed, but now with the M3

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Pro and Pro Max chips, they're way above and

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beyond anything PCs can do. Jimmy's here. Don't

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talk about computers, man. This guy knows everything.

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And he's in a Star Wars background. I love it.

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Jimmy, Jimmy. Can you hear me okay? Yes, we can.

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Yes, sir. Very good. We'll get back to that after

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Jimmy's here. Now Jimmy's here, we'll stick with

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Jimmy. But keep that up. You can continue to

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do my Christmas shopping for me. I see you're

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on the Apple website. Yeah, bro. Where's your

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list? There's my little puppy. Where's your list?

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Because, you know, we need to buy a bunch of

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gifts. This is my little puppy. Don't mind him.

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He's on his. Yeah. You don't want me anywhere

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near an Apple Store. I get really nervous every

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time I go, hey, I'm going to go to Apple Store.

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Good to see you guys. Good to see you, man. Good

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to see you too, buddy. So let me give you a introduction

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here, Jimbo. His name is Jimmy Lang. He was sort

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of a unofficial live photographer, but... Above

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and beyond that, he actually created some relationships

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with the fellas. And he has a lot, a lot of stuff

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that has not been released or anything, like

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good quality recordings of, like we were talking

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about earlier, from the 1998 days and just some

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really cool stuff that he had kind of an all

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-access pass to, you know, back in the day. Jimmy

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was backstage. Go ahead, Chad. I'm sorry. Jimmy,

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didn't you, if I'm not mistaken, you created

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our first website and it was one of the very

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first band websites to exist. Is that correct?

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Yeah, that's correct. So, I mean, back in those

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days, I mean, that was the late 90s, right? That

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was around 93, 94. We have one of the very first

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band websites on the web because of Jimmy. Wow.

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Yeah, I worked at, at that time I was working

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at an ISP. So, I was really, getting into a lot

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of technology. And so the worldwide web was just

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starting to take off. And, you know, my favorite

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stuff is, if anybody knows me, it's like I love

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computers. I love music. And I love technology.

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And so I figured, well, I should do something

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cool. And I was like, man, what is this website

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business? So I started doing a band website.

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Actually, the first one I did was Rush. Oh, of

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course, yes. Rush was my favorite band. Yeah.

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If anybody knows me, it's a favorite band is

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Rush. I'm a, I'm a huge fan of a huge fan of

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drumming. So that's how I got into the life of

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Chad's drumming, drumming specifically. Yeah.

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He's all right. He's all right. I'm no Neil Peart,

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but I appreciate that. He's a huge, huge fan

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of drumming. I love music. It's just something

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weird about drumming. Like I don't understand

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how. people can control like four separate appendages

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and like keep different rhythms. Like I can't

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even chew gum and like, you know, scratch my

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head. Have you watched that guy? Stereo or whatever

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his name is on. Have you seen his videos talking

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about? Dude, this guy is like a whole different

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level, a new form of drumming. Like he does literally

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different shit with each appendage. Like you

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can, he'll do like four, four with one hand,

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three, four with the other. He goes through different

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time signatures with different parts of his body

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and plays shit. You're just like, what the fuck

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is going on? I can't even understand it. Check

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him out, Jimmy. I'm going to make a note to check

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that out. Can I check him out too, Chad? Yeah,

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he's all over Instagram. You can check him out

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too, John. Absolutely. If you want, I can maybe

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get a little bit into how I got into life. Sure,

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please. Maybe not a lot of people know, but So

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I got into live because of Rush, actually. And

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to give you an idea, I've seen Rush 120 times.

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I've got a Rush tattoo. I mean, I've met the

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guys, everybody except Neil. Neil doesn't do

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he doesn't like to do meet and greets. He's super

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shy. People think he's offhand and he doesn't

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want to deal with fans. It's not that much so

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much. He's super shy. He doesn't do meet and

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greets. He's the only one I haven't met, although

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he did send me some stuff. He writes books and

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does drumming instructional videos. They used

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to help promote it. I've got some autograph stuff

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from him. It's pretty cool. Speaking of Neil,

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Neil is also a huge music fan. He was talking

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about Nirvana before. folks even knew who Nirvana

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was. I think he even tried to get them to open

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up on one of the Rush stores. So because I was

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such a huge Rush fan, I'd follow pretty much

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everything they did. And back in, like, when

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Mental Jewry first came out, I was reading, like,

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interviews, anything to get my hands on about

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Rush. And you have to remember, like, this was

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pre-, before the internet. pretty much exploded

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and everybody started saying no information is

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super high with us and that so back then i i

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bought like fanzines i bought like magazines

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listen to radio interviews all over the place

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and i ran a huge rush mailing list and um in

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one of the 1992 um right around uh mental jury

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time he he did an interview with a magazine called

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a spirit of rush fancy and he mentioned it's

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called uh a spirit of rush oh okay that's run

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by these huge rush fans in the uk um friends

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of mine so they uh he they asked them you know

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when they knew hey what kind of easy to listen

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to and he'd say oh yeah there's this band from

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pennsylvania that i really like you know they're

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called live really good really good music really

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good lyrics wow so that was my first i was like

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what was he talking about right and and then

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later on obviously it was like oh live isn't

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that that you know that band i was like made

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that video where they're running around the beach

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like a bunch of crazy fools that was us and uh

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oh he's talking about that band so then i started

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to listen what was that operation spirit oh yeah

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yeah operation spirit i saw that video so um

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yeah he was like he was really big and he was

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really big on the band and obviously in later

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years um i think in 1994 uh modern drummer somewhere

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later on down the line he mentioned you know

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They all asked him what his favorite drummers

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were. He's like, yeah, I like this drummer. And

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then at the end, he's like, oh, also, I love

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Matt Cameron. Of course, you know. Yeah, of course.

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And then he says, I also like Chad Gracie from

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Live Place. What do you want to hear? I think

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that was in Rolling Stone. I think he said that.

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It was Modern Drummer. Modern Drummer. Take it.

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Either way. I had a question about that. So Chad,

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if you don't, so when. Somebody like that mentioned

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your name in such good light. How does that make

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you feel as a musician, as a person? Is that

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something you paid attention to? Yeah, I mean,

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yes. I didn't read it directly, but someone told

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me about it on Reddit. I was like, holy shit.

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It was huge. It's funny because... Sorry to sidetrack.

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Jimmy. In all the school bands, I played saxophone.

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I didn't play drums in school bands. All the

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guys in the drum line thought I sucked at drumming.

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But they were all huge Neil Peart fans, right?

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Because Neil Peart. And I didn't really grow

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up listening to Rush and stuff. I was listening

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to Larry Moms Jr. and U2 and kind of the New

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Waveymore stuff. I didn't really get into Rush

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and the technical side of Neil drumming. And

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so I wasn't a fan, per se. I respected him immensely,

00:21:15.950 --> 00:21:19.079
obviously. But I wasn't like a Neil Peart guy

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where all the drummer guys in the bands and the

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school bands were all Neil Peart guys. They were

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like, oh, you know. So they all thought that

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I sucked because I didn't play in the school

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bands. So when I got mentioned by Neil Peart,

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their god, they all changed their tunes a little

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bit. Anyway, that was cool. Thank you for that.

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Yeah, so I mean, once I knew that Neil started

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to like bands like live and stuff obviously i

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would start to listen i was like oh this is actually

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pretty good um uh the other the other thing that

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i started to notice um because i was a rush fan

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i was going to a lot of shows so not a lot of

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people know this but um for the house music uh

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neil would be the one that's responsible for

00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.420
uh selecting songs for the house music now it

00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:09.880
would be his tape every tour every tour i would

00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:11.700
be like okay i'm gonna go i gotta go in early

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because i want to see what kind of like i want

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i need to see what kind of bands Neil's listening

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to. And, you know, like, like, you know, I used

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to have a, you know, play like a stone audio

00:22:22.450 --> 00:22:24.670
slave or house music and stuff. So I would go

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to Rushwood specifically early to listen to house

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music. You know, he played like Candlebox and

00:22:29.069 --> 00:22:32.210
stuff and he played like Jeff Buckley. And I

00:22:32.210 --> 00:22:34.769
started to hear like Dammit Otter Creek. And

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then I started to hear like Rattlesnake. And

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I was like, what the heck? I mean, I, I knew

00:22:39.869 --> 00:22:41.789
that was live and I was like, okay, I knew that

00:22:41.789 --> 00:22:44.140
was Neil that. actually selected those tracks.

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That's cool. I didn't know that. That's pretty

00:22:46.099 --> 00:22:49.000
cool. So, yeah, I would go to all these shows

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and, you know, at the end of the show, everybody's

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like, awesome, and then they're leaving and,

00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:54.019
you know, you hear, like, Damarata Creek playing

00:22:54.019 --> 00:22:58.319
on the house. It was great. Oh, yeah? Yeah, it

00:22:58.319 --> 00:23:01.019
was pretty cool. Another funny story about Neil,

00:23:01.180 --> 00:23:06.140
as far as life goes, so, because he started listening

00:23:06.140 --> 00:23:09.700
to the band from the get -go, like, Mental Jewelry,

00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:14.769
he was a huge fan of Mental Jewelry. So in early

00:23:14.769 --> 00:23:18.910
94, I want to say Rush played like three nights,

00:23:19.089 --> 00:23:21.130
I think two or three nights at Madison Square

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Garden. Damn. Yeah, one of my good friends was,

00:23:24.650 --> 00:23:27.950
a couple of my good friends are also huge Rush

00:23:27.950 --> 00:23:30.130
fans, and they got to go backstage. Now the thing

00:23:30.130 --> 00:23:33.150
with backstage with Rush is like, Neil doesn't

00:23:33.150 --> 00:23:36.890
do, he doesn't do meet and greets. Usually when

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the last song, he jumps up, exits stage left,

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he's out. He got out of the building before people

00:23:42.849 --> 00:23:47.910
even know. Is that Jimmy? Is he too good? No,

00:23:47.990 --> 00:23:50.849
no, no. It's not that at all. He doesn't like...

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He's a shy guy and he doesn't... He's an introvert

00:23:55.369 --> 00:23:58.910
like me. One of the lyrics for Limelight is like,

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I can't pretend a stranger is a long -awaited

00:24:01.089 --> 00:24:03.349
friend. He's just like that. He's not into fake

00:24:03.349 --> 00:24:06.089
stuff. He would prefer to meet somebody at a

00:24:06.089 --> 00:24:11.569
coffee shop or at a bookstore. But those three

00:24:11.569 --> 00:24:14.630
nights at the Madison Square Garden, my buddies

00:24:14.630 --> 00:24:18.509
got backstage, and he was there. And it was such

00:24:18.509 --> 00:24:21.150
a rarity because he doesn't do those types of

00:24:21.150 --> 00:24:22.769
things. And it was because they were on Mercury

00:24:22.769 --> 00:24:24.670
Records, and they switched over to Atlantic Records.

00:24:24.970 --> 00:24:27.230
And Atlantic Records wanted to hold this huge

00:24:27.230 --> 00:24:30.309
party, and they were saying, you got to go, you

00:24:30.309 --> 00:24:32.670
got to go. So reluctantly, he went. Now, when

00:24:32.670 --> 00:24:35.549
they went back there, they knew he was a live

00:24:35.549 --> 00:24:38.279
band. So they had with them a tape. it was an

00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:42.579
advanced copy of foreign copper and uh so they

00:24:42.579 --> 00:24:43.819
went back there and they're like oh yeah we're

00:24:43.819 --> 00:24:45.839
gonna go you know we're gonna hand this over

00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:47.400
to neil personally because he's a huge fan of

00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:50.539
the band right and what happened was uh well

00:24:50.539 --> 00:24:53.480
they went back there and before they could enter

00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:57.700
the the realm of pure as we call it and he had

00:24:57.700 --> 00:25:00.339
his own stuff he had his own sectioned off area

00:25:00.339 --> 00:25:04.539
backstage with ropes and security guards nice

00:25:04.539 --> 00:25:07.380
you had to like You know, he didn't want to,

00:25:07.420 --> 00:25:09.579
like, meet, you know, like a regular, oh, I'm

00:25:09.579 --> 00:25:12.480
a huge fan. Thank you for, you know, like, you

00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.119
know, I love you guys. He's not into that thing.

00:25:15.500 --> 00:25:18.180
Right. So he would only speak to, you know, like

00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:20.920
maybe people in the music industry, record labels.

00:25:21.380 --> 00:25:24.519
But my buddies, they had this tape. And they're

00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:26.019
like, man, we got to get this to Nielsen because

00:25:26.019 --> 00:25:29.740
he's my fan. So they approached this. They approached

00:25:29.740 --> 00:25:32.259
the realm of Pirate, got intercepted by a bunch

00:25:32.259 --> 00:25:35.059
of security guards. They wrote a note in there.

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And, um, they handed him the tape and he was

00:25:38.380 --> 00:25:40.960
just like, you know, I'm sure he was like, couldn't

00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.359
wait to hear it. Right. And I knew it too. Cause

00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:45.380
like later on, um, you know, he would start to

00:25:45.380 --> 00:25:48.099
play songs from throwing copper on the house

00:25:48.099 --> 00:25:52.299
music. So, uh, that was crazy that he got it.

00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:54.380
And he got an advanced copy of throwing copper.

00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:57.039
Now, how did these. How do these individuals

00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:59.539
secure an advanced copy of Frank Homer? That's

00:25:59.539 --> 00:26:02.859
what I was going to say. Yeah, I can't reveal.

00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:11.460
Sounds like James was responsible for a lot of

00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:13.720
album leaks on Napster back in the day. Oh, no,

00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.380
it wasn't me, I promise. Same thing happened

00:26:16.380 --> 00:26:19.480
kind of on Secret Samadhi. Almost the same thing

00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:23.000
happened on Secret Samadhi. So that came out

00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:28.210
in February of 97. Right. And, um, I, uh, so

00:26:28.210 --> 00:26:31.329
before secret smarty, uh, for, um, the band played

00:26:31.329 --> 00:26:34.490
like a couple of shows that, um, um, just some

00:26:34.490 --> 00:26:36.210
small clubs. Like I think I played the chameleon

00:26:36.210 --> 00:26:38.509
club before the actual started toward before

00:26:38.509 --> 00:26:43.430
the album got released. Um, they had, yeah. But,

00:26:43.529 --> 00:26:45.650
but some shows and they played like small clubs,

00:26:45.690 --> 00:26:49.390
like the crowbar and state college. Yeah. So

00:26:49.390 --> 00:26:52.349
then that first week. Yeah. William Patterson

00:26:52.349 --> 00:26:55.750
university, you guys in 97. You remember that,

00:26:55.809 --> 00:27:00.069
Jeff? In New Jersey? No. Wow. I remember the

00:27:00.069 --> 00:27:04.730
crowbar. Yeah. That was kind of interesting.

00:27:05.809 --> 00:27:08.710
The crowbar, I had, like, this Sony. I was also

00:27:08.710 --> 00:27:11.289
doing the photography. And I bought, like, this

00:27:11.289 --> 00:27:14.569
Sony. Sony had made, like, this camera. It was

00:27:14.569 --> 00:27:17.410
the first digital camera. But the way it wrote

00:27:17.410 --> 00:27:20.970
to the, the way it wrote the files, it wrote

00:27:20.970 --> 00:27:22.730
them on a floppy disk, if you can believe that.

00:27:22.950 --> 00:27:26.059
So I had the camera. And I'd stick the floppy

00:27:26.059 --> 00:27:28.640
disk in there. I'd shoot at the crowbar. And

00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:30.799
these images, it would take forever to write.

00:27:30.980 --> 00:27:33.279
I was going to say, doesn't a floppy disk only

00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:36.759
hold like 10 megabytes or some shit? I don't

00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:39.059
know. I think it's 1 .44. But I shot at low resolution.

00:27:39.940 --> 00:27:42.019
But it's pretty crazy. Low resolution, is that?

00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:46.519
The first week of the Secret Samadhi tour, so

00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:49.759
the band was playing in Toronto. And I was like,

00:27:49.859 --> 00:27:53.380
I wrote to the ladies at the management company.

00:27:53.849 --> 00:27:56.589
for rush and say hey i know you know the huge

00:27:56.589 --> 00:27:59.710
fan uh maybe ulterior motives because i kind

00:27:59.710 --> 00:28:01.269
of wanted to meet the guys from russia as well

00:28:01.269 --> 00:28:03.809
sure i said that uh you know the band was going

00:28:03.809 --> 00:28:06.670
to be in toronto and they're playing a club called

00:28:06.670 --> 00:28:09.990
the phoenix and uh you know if you guys need

00:28:09.990 --> 00:28:12.789
tickets if you know just let me know and i would

00:28:12.789 --> 00:28:15.349
i would let the lives management know and sure

00:28:15.349 --> 00:28:18.809
enough that first week on tour um i looked at

00:28:18.809 --> 00:28:21.269
the guest list i was out for the that whole first

00:28:21.269 --> 00:28:24.829
week of the super smarty tour And when they got

00:28:24.829 --> 00:28:27.490
to Toronto, I was looking at the guest list and

00:28:27.490 --> 00:28:28.630
I was like, man, are they going to be on there?

00:28:28.829 --> 00:28:31.170
And sure enough, Ax Life's in the guitars. His

00:28:31.170 --> 00:28:32.690
name was on the guest list. And I was like, holy

00:28:32.690 --> 00:28:35.230
shit, if he shows up tonight, that's going to

00:28:35.230 --> 00:28:37.029
be awesome. I don't really care about the live

00:28:37.029 --> 00:28:42.930
shows too much. It would be so awesome if they

00:28:42.930 --> 00:28:46.390
came. So I remember I kept going, the night of

00:28:46.390 --> 00:28:48.849
the show, I kept going to the front and I kept

00:28:48.849 --> 00:28:51.769
looking to see if... Alex, his name was crossed

00:28:51.769 --> 00:28:53.970
off the guest list. And it just wasn't. Everybody

00:28:53.970 --> 00:28:55.589
else had picked up their tickets and he just

00:28:55.589 --> 00:28:57.890
never came. And I went back before. I mean, I

00:28:57.890 --> 00:28:59.890
was like, oh, my God, I got to say hi to this

00:28:59.890 --> 00:29:03.890
guy. So, yeah, I was just pacing back and forth.

00:29:03.990 --> 00:29:06.910
And finally, I went backstage and I figured,

00:29:07.170 --> 00:29:10.769
man, the band's going on next. And I doubt Alex

00:29:10.769 --> 00:29:13.950
Tyson is going to come to this show. So I was

00:29:13.950 --> 00:29:16.869
walking by stage and then Patrick starts yelling

00:29:16.869 --> 00:29:19.200
at me. He's like, hey, hey, Jimmy. aren't you

00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:23.059
like a Rush fan? And I'm like, yeah, man. Alex

00:29:23.059 --> 00:29:24.460
was on the guest list and I don't think he's

00:29:24.460 --> 00:29:26.539
coming. He's like, yeah, guess what? They're

00:29:26.539 --> 00:29:29.420
not going to come. And I was like, okay. But

00:29:29.420 --> 00:29:33.220
they did send us a pattern of cheese and wine

00:29:33.220 --> 00:29:37.779
and crackers. So the guys from Rush sent like

00:29:37.779 --> 00:29:40.119
this, you know, cheese pattern and, you know,

00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:42.619
Patrick's out there drinking wine. Oh, I sent

00:29:42.619 --> 00:29:44.559
this note. You want this note? I was like, yeah.

00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:47.720
So he gave me the note. It basically said, you

00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:50.950
know, uh dear life you know good good luck on

00:29:50.950 --> 00:29:54.029
uh good luck on your secret smarty tour um sorry

00:29:54.029 --> 00:29:56.430
we couldn't make it and just sign you know alex

00:29:56.430 --> 00:30:01.329
neil and getty and that's pretty classy pretty

00:30:01.329 --> 00:30:05.269
crazy story but yeah actually uh yeah that was

00:30:05.269 --> 00:30:07.089
because of you i didn't know that that's so cool

00:30:07.089 --> 00:30:09.750
not a lot of people know but yeah there's a lot

00:30:09.750 --> 00:30:11.410
of there's a lot of rush history and of course

00:30:11.410 --> 00:30:13.259
a lot of rush fans um You know, they're into

00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:14.880
the band because of drumming. And, of course,

00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:16.839
a lot of drummers are into the band live because

00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:19.420
of drumming as well. So, yeah, a lot of crazy

00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:25.039
history there. So, when did you start following

00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:27.099
live? Like, what year was your first concert?

00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:34.019
I didn't see them until opening of their Throwing

00:30:34.019 --> 00:30:38.299
Copper tour. I mean, I had heard about them after

00:30:38.299 --> 00:30:41.200
Metal Jury had come out. and after i started

00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:43.480
reading like oh neil's in the menagerie and after

00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:46.400
i started hearing songs played and i was like

00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.180
oh okay i gotta check these guys out when they

00:30:48.180 --> 00:30:52.460
on their next round so yeah when uh throwing

00:30:52.460 --> 00:30:55.200
copper came out um i went and saw him uh that

00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:56.980
was a crazy tour because it started off like

00:30:56.980 --> 00:31:00.980
in really small i don't know dingy dingy clubs

00:31:00.980 --> 00:31:04.759
and just you know packed and sweaty body masses

00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:08.869
of people crammed into like small places, but

00:31:08.869 --> 00:31:11.210
by the end of the tour, they were, like, they

00:31:11.210 --> 00:31:13.869
closed out at the Philadelphia Spectrum. It was

00:31:13.869 --> 00:31:19.170
just a crazy, it was a crazy run, I mean, but

00:31:19.170 --> 00:31:23.509
yeah, I saw them on Throne Copper, I think Tracy

00:31:23.509 --> 00:31:26.130
Lord's opened up, and also, like, Vic Chestnut.

00:31:26.369 --> 00:31:29.309
Tracy Lord's opened up. Yeah. Somewhere in there,

00:31:29.410 --> 00:31:32.089
yes. Somewhere in there, Vic Chestnut, Angel

00:31:32.089 --> 00:31:35.130
Fish, which is, Shirley Manson, I'm sure. Before

00:31:35.130 --> 00:31:37.849
Garbage. Before Garbage, she opened up a bunch

00:31:37.849 --> 00:31:40.549
of... She met Butch Vig on the tour with us in

00:31:40.549 --> 00:31:43.349
Chicago. She never tells that story, but that's

00:31:43.349 --> 00:31:46.569
how they met. Who's Butch Vig? The drummer of

00:31:46.569 --> 00:31:49.190
Garbage, and the guy, he's a huge producer, too.

00:31:49.569 --> 00:31:52.230
Oh, yeah. He did Smashing Pumpkins and stuff.

00:31:53.210 --> 00:31:56.089
But yeah, it was kind of crazy to see, like,

00:31:56.130 --> 00:31:59.710
even Vig Chestnut, he'd come out and... He was

00:31:59.710 --> 00:32:01.950
in a wheelchair, so he'd come out on stage and

00:32:01.950 --> 00:32:06.349
sing Supernatural with Ed. From what I recall,

00:32:06.490 --> 00:32:09.609
I think he had a bit of a drinking problem. Yeah,

00:32:10.509 --> 00:32:14.190
he drank a lot and did other shit, too. Good

00:32:14.190 --> 00:32:19.170
job, Vic. He'd come out and sometimes I was like,

00:32:19.269 --> 00:32:21.630
man, this guy's just drunk off his ass, but they're

00:32:21.630 --> 00:32:24.009
doing Supernatural and it sounds friggin' awesome.

00:32:24.490 --> 00:32:30.390
Ed loves that song. Yeah, speaking of, you know,

00:32:30.390 --> 00:32:33.349
something about drinking. Several tours later,

00:32:33.589 --> 00:32:35.509
there was another entity. Let me play you back

00:32:35.509 --> 00:32:38.109
here a second, bud. So you start seeing them

00:32:38.109 --> 00:32:40.309
in the Round the Throne Copper Tour before it

00:32:40.309 --> 00:32:43.109
takes off to, like, arenas and whatnot. Now,

00:32:43.130 --> 00:32:47.210
when do you become the unofficial photographer,

00:32:47.369 --> 00:32:54.930
basically? Like, how does... Yeah, so I started

00:32:54.930 --> 00:32:57.170
getting... Well, I started going to a lot of

00:32:57.170 --> 00:32:59.839
shows. And the reason I got into concert photography

00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:03.940
was this guy named Andrew McNaughton. Andrew

00:33:03.940 --> 00:33:07.019
McNaughton is a huge, he's the Russian photographer

00:33:07.019 --> 00:33:09.960
for Russian. So back in the day, when you used

00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.359
to go to concerts, you could buy, obviously from

00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.259
the merch, you could buy like t -shirts, hats,

00:33:14.420 --> 00:33:16.240
all kinds of stuff. But also they would sell

00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:18.400
like tour books. So you could buy like a tour

00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.420
book of that tour. or photos from the studio

00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:23.720
store. And he was the tour photographer. So I

00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:25.539
really got into photography. I'm like, man, I'm

00:33:25.539 --> 00:33:27.059
going to all these live shows. It would be really

00:33:27.059 --> 00:33:32.539
cool to capture some of this stuff. And so I

00:33:32.539 --> 00:33:36.259
bought a camera. I didn't know anything about

00:33:36.259 --> 00:33:39.480
cameras. I'm completely self -taught. I shot,

00:33:39.660 --> 00:33:42.359
I started shooting a 35 millimeter and then I'd

00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:46.019
get into like slides. And then when digital photography

00:33:46.019 --> 00:33:48.059
came around, I started buying digital cameras.

00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:53.579
I started getting that. Lucky for me, the lives

00:33:53.579 --> 00:33:56.000
manager at the time, this guy named Dave Sestak,

00:33:56.140 --> 00:33:59.960
super, super cool guy. So Dave Sestak, he was

00:33:59.960 --> 00:34:01.920
lives manager, but he was also a photographer.

00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:06.339
So, man, I remember picking his brain like every

00:34:06.339 --> 00:34:09.219
chance I could. I would go to way more shows

00:34:09.219 --> 00:34:13.579
than he would. I was just flying around, trying

00:34:13.579 --> 00:34:16.219
to go to as many concerts back in my 20s and

00:34:16.219 --> 00:34:19.050
30s and just see so many shows. And I figured,

00:34:19.130 --> 00:34:20.570
man, I got to capture some of this stuff. So

00:34:20.570 --> 00:34:22.269
then I started getting into photography. And

00:34:22.269 --> 00:34:26.670
I would pick David's mind about some of my early

00:34:26.670 --> 00:34:29.110
photos. They're just horrible. It's just all

00:34:29.110 --> 00:34:30.550
blurry. I didn't know what the hell I was doing.

00:34:30.909 --> 00:34:33.409
And luckily, through the years, I was able to

00:34:33.409 --> 00:34:36.190
mess around a little bit and got some decent

00:34:36.190 --> 00:34:39.429
shots. Oh, you got some great shots. Tens of

00:34:39.429 --> 00:34:42.670
thousands of photos. I'm not even joking. Tens

00:34:42.670 --> 00:34:44.929
of thousands of photos of lives through the years.

00:34:45.550 --> 00:34:47.960
But yeah, that's how I got in. Yeah, that's how

00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:51.440
I got into that. Jimmy, so in the beginning,

00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:53.940
I'm guessing you were buying concert tickets,

00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:57.099
but did somewhere along the line they start coming

00:34:57.099 --> 00:34:59.559
to you as a freebie because that's an expensive

00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.900
hobby, if not? Oh, it's definitely an expensive

00:35:02.900 --> 00:35:04.960
hobby. I don't have such connections with Rush.

00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:09.079
No, no, no, we're live. I know. I was saying

00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:11.320
I don't have such connections with Rush, so I

00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:13.099
know how expensive that can get, having to pay

00:35:13.099 --> 00:35:16.980
for so much stuff. But with live... um because

00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:20.679
i was like such into the band um and i worked

00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.960
a lot with their management but you know they

00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.380
always they always hooked me up and um also as

00:35:26.380 --> 00:35:28.340
i got to know the guys in the early days now

00:35:28.340 --> 00:35:29.980
they're just like yeah anytime you want to come

00:35:29.980 --> 00:35:33.099
to the show just let us know um you know all

00:35:33.099 --> 00:35:35.500
the guys in the band have always been really

00:35:35.500 --> 00:35:39.039
you know i'm in kind of a unique position being

00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.219
both you know like uh helping out the band yeah

00:35:43.219 --> 00:35:46.789
on the internet but also I'm a fan of the music,

00:35:46.869 --> 00:35:50.030
so I'm kind of in a weird, unique position like

00:35:50.030 --> 00:35:52.550
that. But, yeah, the guys have always been really

00:35:52.550 --> 00:35:54.690
nice. And even all their managers through the

00:35:54.690 --> 00:35:59.230
years, you know, Chris Harden. Actually, I met

00:35:59.230 --> 00:36:01.550
Chris way back when he was still doing intern

00:36:01.550 --> 00:36:04.909
for one of the other managers. Peter Freeman,

00:36:05.050 --> 00:36:09.510
yes. Yeah, Peter Freeman. all the live managers

00:36:09.510 --> 00:36:11.670
have been super nice to me. So they've always

00:36:11.670 --> 00:36:15.590
managed to hook me up. Even things like, you

00:36:15.590 --> 00:36:18.750
know, I was so into such into photography that

00:36:18.750 --> 00:36:20.929
I'd mentioned, I think one time I mentioned it

00:36:20.929 --> 00:36:23.769
to Chad that, Hey Chad, how would you feel if

00:36:23.769 --> 00:36:25.989
I like sold some photos? Cause I really want

00:36:25.989 --> 00:36:28.530
to get like some new camera gear. And he's like,

00:36:28.610 --> 00:36:30.269
no, no, just tell me, just tell me what you need.

00:36:30.670 --> 00:36:32.829
And I was like, well, Nikon has this new camera

00:36:32.829 --> 00:36:38.519
coming out. And so. Their business manager contacted

00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:41.079
me and said, hey, the band says you want to get

00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:42.579
a new camera. Why don't you just go buy that

00:36:42.579 --> 00:36:45.159
and send me the receipt? And so, yeah, I went

00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:47.719
and bought it. At that time, I bought it. It

00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:51.960
was my Nikon D2X I was shooting with. And, yeah,

00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.460
I sent them the receipt. So, you know, the band

00:36:54.460 --> 00:36:56.380
paid for that. I was like, oh, cool. Thanks so

00:36:56.380 --> 00:37:00.539
much, guys. But, yeah, there have been... Well,

00:37:00.539 --> 00:37:02.400
that's been super nice. All the guys in the band,

00:37:02.460 --> 00:37:04.699
the band members themselves, the management themselves,

00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.059
even the crew. I mean, you know, Matt Gracie's

00:37:07.059 --> 00:37:08.760
been with them forever. Sean Williams, all those

00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.519
guys. So I've always been really lucky to be

00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.599
able to go to shows. But he's related. His cousin

00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:21.039
is a dick. Chad, that's your cousin, right? Not

00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:23.079
your brother. That's correct. Everyone thinks

00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.360
it's my brother. He's my first cousin. Yeah.

00:37:25.929 --> 00:37:28.269
That's dope. You used to get really mad in the

00:37:28.269 --> 00:37:29.329
beginning of the day. It's like, they always

00:37:29.329 --> 00:37:31.130
go, are you in the band? Are you in the band?

00:37:31.289 --> 00:37:33.449
You'd get so mad at them. Why would you be in

00:37:33.449 --> 00:37:36.690
the band? Like, fuck yeah, I am, dude. Come backstage

00:37:36.690 --> 00:37:43.250
and check me out. Yeah, that's... You didn't

00:37:43.250 --> 00:37:46.989
play the spoons in the band. Yeah, those early

00:37:46.989 --> 00:37:49.150
days were kind of interesting, because I remember,

00:37:49.269 --> 00:37:52.269
like, Chad, you and Patrick used to walk around

00:37:52.269 --> 00:37:54.650
the crowd, and nobody would know who the hell

00:37:54.650 --> 00:38:02.010
they were. Oh, no. We were doing amphitheaters

00:38:02.010 --> 00:38:07.929
in 95. We were on an amphitheater tour. We were

00:38:07.929 --> 00:38:11.550
throwing copper. And probably as big as we could

00:38:11.550 --> 00:38:14.630
ever be at that point. And, yeah, I would just

00:38:14.630 --> 00:38:16.809
go walk around the crowd. Nobody would recognize

00:38:16.809 --> 00:38:19.090
me. Well, you know what it is, Chad? I love it.

00:38:19.150 --> 00:38:22.750
You guys all, except for, like, Ed, the shaved

00:38:22.750 --> 00:38:25.480
head and the fucking ponytail braid. You know,

00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:28.199
you guys all kind of look like regular dudes.

00:38:28.300 --> 00:38:30.820
You weren't wearing, like, you know, any crazy

00:38:30.820 --> 00:38:33.199
fucking leather and makeup and all that stuff.

00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:35.920
So, you know, I could totally see how you could

00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.960
fit in, but if you would have walked by me, hell

00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:44.800
no. I'd be like, I know you. But, you know what

00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.420
I'm saying? It's very rare. Although, because

00:38:47.420 --> 00:38:49.099
I was just talking about the leather, but I...

00:38:49.340 --> 00:38:52.739
And we were talking about the 97 little like

00:38:52.739 --> 00:38:55.440
college tour, whatever tour you did during that

00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.659
time. Yeah. Cause it was wild. I had just seen

00:38:58.659 --> 00:39:01.739
you at, I don't know if it was vice versa, but

00:39:01.739 --> 00:39:05.960
I had just saw you at PNC art center in Holmdel,

00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.699
New Jersey. Then I think it was either, I think

00:39:09.699 --> 00:39:11.619
it was after, but it could have been before.

00:39:11.739 --> 00:39:14.260
And then you were playing at the William Patterson

00:39:14.260 --> 00:39:17.340
at a smaller venue. And I happened to be. front

00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:21.860
stage but ed came out in purple yellow uh purple

00:39:21.860 --> 00:39:27.780
leather pants uh and a purple boa and no shirt

00:39:27.780 --> 00:39:31.079
for the encore i was like yo this is crazy hilarious

00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:36.000
yeah dude it was sick and uh it was my first

00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.739
time being like front row because it was like

00:39:38.739 --> 00:39:41.280
general mission first come first and i was right

00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.300
up against the thing i remember thinking wow

00:39:43.300 --> 00:39:47.039
ed is way taller than i thought he was He just

00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:53.760
looked giant on the stage. But anywho, and Jimmy,

00:39:53.860 --> 00:39:55.639
just so everybody knows, you're a two -parter

00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:57.739
because we got so much to talk about with you.

00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:01.119
So Jimmy will be gracing our presence again next

00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:03.739
show to kind of go over everything. He's our

00:40:03.739 --> 00:40:07.900
first two -part guest. And then, of course, we'll

00:40:07.900 --> 00:40:09.920
have him on in the future. But we haven't even

00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:13.760
brushed the surface with it. And Jimmy eventually

00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.320
is going to go through his archives. move and

00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:19.699
stuff like that and try to bring the gracious

00:40:19.699 --> 00:40:22.880
to audience some exclusives of stuff he has from

00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:26.139
way back when that has not been seen or or hasn't

00:40:26.139 --> 00:40:29.820
seen in a long time that's crazy moving because

00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:32.079
you find all kinds of you find all kinds of stuff

00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.000
yeah moving like i was i was going through boxes

00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:37.320
from like three moons ago where i would just

00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.539
move a box from a box from a box to another and

00:40:40.539 --> 00:40:44.199
uh i literally like i like probably over 100

00:40:44.769 --> 00:40:47.670
shows on mini dv tapes all kinds of weird stuff

00:40:47.670 --> 00:40:50.369
like i i remember i was just um i call it chad

00:40:50.369 --> 00:40:54.610
camp and i would set up i set up a tripod just

00:40:54.610 --> 00:40:57.130
right near the drum kit and that would just that

00:40:57.130 --> 00:40:59.030
would just be one show it'd be like just chad

00:40:59.030 --> 00:41:01.969
drumming and all the shows you like on uh on

00:41:01.969 --> 00:41:04.289
the stage side stage so cool film that and the

00:41:04.289 --> 00:41:06.650
ones i would just follow and so a lot of a lot

00:41:06.650 --> 00:41:09.949
of discover a lot of weird stuff um i got the

00:41:09.949 --> 00:41:13.269
whole i found a whole bunch of um Secret Somebody

00:41:13.269 --> 00:41:15.530
signed CDs that I still have left over that I

00:41:15.530 --> 00:41:21.090
never gave out. So I'll give that out. Give one

00:41:21.090 --> 00:41:25.809
out to me. When I was running the mailing list

00:41:25.809 --> 00:41:27.289
and I was helping out, I was helping out a lot

00:41:27.289 --> 00:41:30.670
with their fans, like Homespun and Friends of

00:41:30.670 --> 00:41:34.349
Life. Yeah. And then I created a mailing list

00:41:34.349 --> 00:41:37.369
called Straight Outta York and a website. But

00:41:37.369 --> 00:41:40.889
when I was helping out a lot with Michelle, who

00:41:40.889 --> 00:41:43.820
used to run the the fans of life uh in homespun

00:41:43.820 --> 00:41:47.639
um they took a lot of my photos and they made

00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:50.059
like a poster out of it and it's like a limited

00:41:50.059 --> 00:41:51.920
run posters and i found a tube with a whole bunch

00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.920
of posters speaking of posters too i think in

00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:59.599
95 when when the band got the artist um artist

00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:01.400
of the year for rolling stone and they appeared

00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:05.119
on the cover 95 and uh so i think rolling stones

00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:09.860
like a poster tube with like about 100 100 of

00:42:09.860 --> 00:42:13.900
the covers And I got them from Michelle. She's

00:42:13.900 --> 00:42:15.219
going to be really mad at me if she's listening

00:42:15.219 --> 00:42:18.800
ever. She gave me the poster tube. And I said,

00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:20.320
yeah, I'm going to try to get some of these signed

00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:23.800
by the band. And we just do a giveaway. And so

00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:26.079
I had this poster tube with about 100 of those

00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:29.280
artists of the year Rolling Stone cover. And

00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.519
I was going to a show. And I was going to have

00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.159
the guys sign a bunch and then get them back

00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.920
to me. So I remember I was taking a Greyhound

00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.440
bus. And then I remember getting off the bus

00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:42.519
and going to the show and then thinking, where's

00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:44.579
that poster tube? Oh, shit. I left it back on

00:42:44.579 --> 00:42:48.519
the Greyhound bus. Oh. So somewhere out there.

00:42:50.300 --> 00:42:53.059
I didn't care. So I have ADHD. So my brain cuts

00:42:53.059 --> 00:42:55.320
in. They were signed already or unsigned? No,

00:42:55.380 --> 00:42:57.820
unsigned. I was going to get them signed. True,

00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.860
Michelle. Gotcha. And man, I just left the poster

00:43:00.860 --> 00:43:04.059
tube on the bus. Damn you. I'm so mad at myself

00:43:04.059 --> 00:43:06.610
about that. I'm mad about myself and about us.

00:43:06.929 --> 00:43:12.349
There was one show. I think, Chad, you were playing

00:43:12.349 --> 00:43:17.869
in the Greek theater in LA. Yeah, out in LA.

00:43:18.409 --> 00:43:22.710
Jim Carrey was at the show. Chad's good friends

00:43:22.710 --> 00:43:27.030
with Jim Carrey. What? I was, yeah, at the time.

00:43:27.710 --> 00:43:32.599
Hold on. Lost contact with him. I got to steal

00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:36.639
hosting duties here. So, Chad, you used to be

00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:39.039
friends with Jim Carrey like that where you would

00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:43.980
call or text or whatever? Yes, yeah. We had each

00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:46.159
other's phone numbers for a while, yeah. That

00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.280
better be a little boogie. You know, a guy like

00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:50.199
that changes his phone numbers all the time.

00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:52.679
So, I mean, just got lost in the shuffle. He

00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:56.340
was a big fan of the band. We actually went to

00:43:56.340 --> 00:44:00.099
his house and played him an early version of

00:44:00.099 --> 00:44:04.050
This Is To Hear. before it was released. And

00:44:04.050 --> 00:44:08.190
he had the bongos there, the congas that he played

00:44:08.190 --> 00:44:11.829
in Man on the Moon. Yes. And he coffins real

00:44:11.829 --> 00:44:18.309
congas. Wow. So you have to try to get back in

00:44:18.309 --> 00:44:21.909
touch with that dude because we need to get on

00:44:21.909 --> 00:44:27.210
the show. Yeah, right. You can figure it out,

00:44:27.269 --> 00:44:30.750
Chad. Don't play. I'm trying to figure it out

00:44:30.750 --> 00:44:34.960
over the years. He is my favorite comedian there

00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.159
is. I mean, his stand -up from back in the day

00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.780
was great, but his movies, Ace Ventura, Dumb

00:44:40.780 --> 00:44:44.719
and Dumber, Me, Myself, and Irene, just crazy

00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:48.159
classic and legendary. But I digress. Yeah, please,

00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.760
Jimmy, tell this story about Jason. Yeah, so

00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:54.340
I was amazed. I mean, I got a chance to see a

00:44:54.340 --> 00:44:57.320
lot of, I guess, famous people. For me, anyways,

00:44:57.340 --> 00:44:59.719
famous. But I saw Jim Carrey at the Greek Theater,

00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:01.239
and I was like, oh, man, that's Jim Carrey. And

00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:03.519
I was a huge fan of his movies, too. And he was

00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:04.739
hanging out with Chad, and I was like, hey, take

00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:08.119
a photo of you guys together. And so they posed

00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:10.519
for a photo, and Jim Carrey grabs the two drumsticks

00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:12.960
and does, like, this skull cross and makes this

00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:19.159
funny face. Nice. So I was shooting a 35 -millimeter

00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.219
at the time, so I had negatives. And then, man,

00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:25.280
somebody from a newspaper, I don't know, it was

00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.219
like LA Times or something, was covering the

00:45:27.219 --> 00:45:29.880
event. and came straight up to me and says, hey,

00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:31.840
do you think we can use that photo with Jim Carrey?

00:45:31.980 --> 00:45:38.239
And Chad was like, and I was reluctant to, but

00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:41.860
I gave him the negative and my phone, my information

00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:46.760
and stuff. And I lost another one of those crazy

00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.219
things that I've done where I lost like really

00:45:49.219 --> 00:45:52.659
cool stuff. Wait a second, Jimmy. I was really

00:45:52.659 --> 00:45:57.849
mad about that. Oh, so. You didn't have a copy

00:45:57.849 --> 00:46:01.250
and you gave this dude a negative. I was very

00:46:01.250 --> 00:46:06.150
naive and stupid. I was really mad about that.

00:46:06.750 --> 00:46:10.909
And you didn't get his information, Jimbo? I

00:46:10.909 --> 00:46:13.690
got him too, but they just never returned calls

00:46:13.690 --> 00:46:16.070
and he never contacted me back. So somewhere

00:46:16.070 --> 00:46:18.789
out there is a really cool photo. Let's blast

00:46:18.789 --> 00:46:21.170
them out, dude. Who is it? I have no idea. I

00:46:21.170 --> 00:46:23.119
don't even know the guy. his name anymore so

00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:25.880
long ago. Well, we're coming after you, sir.

00:46:25.900 --> 00:46:28.800
We're coming after you, and we want that freaking

00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:32.139
picture, man. That is crazy. Benny, who's got

00:46:32.139 --> 00:46:37.619
Jimbo. That's pretty nuts. Just around that whole

00:46:37.619 --> 00:46:40.340
time frame of throwing copper and going into

00:46:40.340 --> 00:46:43.199
Super Smiley was just a really crazy time. Like

00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.420
I said, they started off in small clubs and they

00:46:46.420 --> 00:46:49.920
ended at the Philly Spectrum with PJ Harvey.

00:46:50.590 --> 00:46:53.829
on stage doing harmonies and um i was standing

00:46:53.829 --> 00:46:57.050
i i mean i remember uh paul mcginnis um paul

00:46:57.050 --> 00:47:00.090
mcginnis was the manager for you too right and

00:47:00.090 --> 00:47:02.329
uh he was he was at the philly spectrum show

00:47:02.329 --> 00:47:04.989
i was standing like he was sitting at the soundboard

00:47:04.989 --> 00:47:10.469
because um was there and i was i was like man

00:47:10.469 --> 00:47:13.929
i'm standing here this guy manages youtube because

00:47:13.929 --> 00:47:17.449
we need a david sestak and It's so crazy to see

00:47:17.449 --> 00:47:21.889
that whole evolution of small clubs to huge sheds

00:47:21.889 --> 00:47:26.090
by the summertime. They played the K -Rock Christmas

00:47:26.090 --> 00:47:28.610
show in LA with a whole bunch of bands. Now,

00:47:28.670 --> 00:47:31.809
one thing I totally remember about that, which

00:47:31.809 --> 00:47:34.349
was really cool, is Michael Stipe from R .E .M.

00:47:34.670 --> 00:47:36.949
was there. Now, R .E .M. wasn't on the bill,

00:47:37.050 --> 00:47:41.949
but I guess he was there. And I remember every

00:47:41.949 --> 00:47:43.969
time I would turn around, I was like, I wonder

00:47:43.969 --> 00:47:46.570
where the guys on the band are. I didn't have

00:47:46.570 --> 00:47:48.789
to wonder where Ed was. Because Ed was like,

00:47:48.809 --> 00:47:51.150
he was just totally following Michael Stipe around.

00:47:51.289 --> 00:47:53.030
I was like, that probably would be too. If it

00:47:53.030 --> 00:47:54.469
was Michael Stipe, I'd probably be following

00:47:54.469 --> 00:47:57.730
him around. But it was so cool to see Michael

00:47:57.730 --> 00:48:00.289
Stipe and the guys from R .E .M. And Ed was hanging

00:48:00.289 --> 00:48:02.289
out with them. I was like, shit, this is so nuts.

00:48:03.150 --> 00:48:06.309
And they also did, I mean, by the end of the

00:48:06.309 --> 00:48:09.389
Throne Copperture, they were doing Cheetah was

00:48:09.389 --> 00:48:12.090
one song that they did. A lot of songs didn't

00:48:12.090 --> 00:48:20.869
make it to records. there was a I found so Chad

00:48:20.869 --> 00:48:23.789
the last time I was at your old spot in York

00:48:23.789 --> 00:48:27.050
I found a box of VHS tapes and one of them had

00:48:27.050 --> 00:48:30.989
my handwriting on it it was the VHS recording

00:48:30.989 --> 00:48:33.869
from your show that you did at the Shoreline

00:48:33.869 --> 00:48:38.769
Amphitheater such a good show a lot of stuff

00:48:38.769 --> 00:48:41.269
in that overhang where you hid all your stuff

00:48:41.269 --> 00:48:43.989
including that first drum kit I think I think

00:48:43.989 --> 00:48:45.469
your very first drum kit you stored up there,

00:48:45.510 --> 00:48:48.329
if I recall. Is this the studio at 210 or a different

00:48:48.329 --> 00:48:53.909
spot? It's a spot. It's an old rehearsal space

00:48:53.909 --> 00:48:56.889
that they had there. They played with Weezer

00:48:56.889 --> 00:49:03.989
at the Wessel Hall. It used to be a radio station

00:49:03.989 --> 00:49:06.369
for a college radio station and then turned into

00:49:06.369 --> 00:49:09.969
the 930 Club. And everybody's playing the 930

00:49:09.969 --> 00:49:13.329
club. That first set, they would end with 10

00:49:13.329 --> 00:49:16.269
,000 years, which for me was like, man, that's

00:49:16.269 --> 00:49:18.590
awesome to hear 10 ,000 years. And then the encore,

00:49:18.730 --> 00:49:21.610
of course, was like, you know, White Discussion.

00:49:22.769 --> 00:49:25.329
Also during Throwing Copper Tour, they did the

00:49:25.329 --> 00:49:28.130
video recording for White Discussion. There were

00:49:28.130 --> 00:49:31.829
two videos for White Discussion. Yeah. That one

00:49:31.829 --> 00:49:35.250
was filmed. But the one I went to was in Fresno.

00:49:35.659 --> 00:49:39.320
They played the show in Fresno, and I think Ed

00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:42.739
was telling the audience, like, hey, we're going

00:49:42.739 --> 00:49:45.900
to film this white discussion for a video. And

00:49:45.900 --> 00:49:49.440
so they filmed it during the regular performance,

00:49:49.659 --> 00:49:53.099
but then after the show was kind of over, Ed

00:49:53.099 --> 00:49:55.360
said, hey, do you guys mind if we play it again?

00:49:55.500 --> 00:49:59.039
Because I guess he wanted extra shots. Another

00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:04.309
shot. B -roll. Oh, no, actually, I'm sorry. They

00:50:04.309 --> 00:50:05.690
played it again, but not in front of an audience.

00:50:05.769 --> 00:50:07.650
They played it after everybody cleared out and

00:50:07.650 --> 00:50:09.349
then they played it to an empty stage, but they

00:50:09.349 --> 00:50:13.090
wanted extra footage for the video. And I think

00:50:13.090 --> 00:50:16.369
by then, Chad, I remember you were running around

00:50:16.369 --> 00:50:19.510
with this spray bottle in your hand and you kept

00:50:19.510 --> 00:50:21.409
like, you're like, yeah, we gotta look sweaty.

00:50:21.590 --> 00:50:24.389
So you start spraying, like start spraying his

00:50:24.389 --> 00:50:27.449
armpits and start spraying everybody. Like, we

00:50:27.449 --> 00:50:29.409
gotta look sweaty because we're gonna play this

00:50:29.409 --> 00:50:32.630
thing again. I think we had to, like, come off

00:50:32.630 --> 00:50:34.630
stage and, like, gotten dressed, and they were

00:50:34.630 --> 00:50:35.889
like, oh, you got to play it again. We're like,

00:50:35.969 --> 00:50:37.829
fuck. Doesn't that look like we just played?

00:50:38.710 --> 00:50:41.730
Yeah. That's like when Chad and I were helping

00:50:41.730 --> 00:50:43.969
this gentleman build a house. I'm over there

00:50:43.969 --> 00:50:46.409
sweating, working and stuff, and I look over

00:50:46.409 --> 00:50:49.110
at Chad spraying his armpits down with water,

00:50:49.190 --> 00:50:51.789
making it look like he was helping build a house.

00:50:51.929 --> 00:50:54.010
You remember that, Chad? No, I do not remember

00:50:54.010 --> 00:51:00.099
that. Oh, never mind. Don't mind me. We do have

00:51:00.099 --> 00:51:03.460
a question for you. What's the most memorable

00:51:03.460 --> 00:51:08.500
photo that you took? Shit, I've taken so many.

00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:12.539
The Jim Carrey one that you lost. Yeah, I mean,

00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:16.059
how about that one? That makes me mad. I took

00:51:16.059 --> 00:51:18.559
a whole bunch of them. For a while, I had a little

00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:21.059
Instagram account where I was posting some of

00:51:21.059 --> 00:51:23.960
my photos. I mean, one of my favorite ones, I

00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:28.250
think shooting photos of... drummers, that's

00:51:28.250 --> 00:51:31.789
the most challenging because they're never still.

00:51:32.150 --> 00:51:34.829
They're always moving and you've got to capture

00:51:34.829 --> 00:51:37.469
it. That's just the first part of it. The second

00:51:37.469 --> 00:51:40.030
part of it is you've got to get in there somehow

00:51:40.030 --> 00:51:42.829
in between all the cymbals and all the shit that

00:51:42.829 --> 00:51:44.929
they've got everywhere and you've got to try

00:51:44.929 --> 00:51:49.469
to capture that. One of my favorite drumming

00:51:49.469 --> 00:51:51.329
photos of Chad is when they played the Rock and

00:51:51.329 --> 00:51:54.809
Roll Hall of Fame. Chad had this drum kit set.

00:51:55.389 --> 00:51:56.909
in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland,

00:51:57.070 --> 00:52:00.150
right underneath a pair of escalators. And it

00:52:00.150 --> 00:52:02.130
was, I arrived kind of late and I was like, shit,

00:52:02.190 --> 00:52:04.170
I can't get close enough. And then I kept looking,

00:52:04.210 --> 00:52:06.369
I was like, man, there's these escalators. So

00:52:06.369 --> 00:52:09.070
I started going, I started hopping on the escalator.

00:52:09.070 --> 00:52:12.389
I started going up and above and I'd take shot

00:52:12.389 --> 00:52:15.489
like bird's eye view kind of shot. And I'd do

00:52:15.489 --> 00:52:17.309
that. And then I'd come down and I'd do the other

00:52:17.309 --> 00:52:19.570
escalator. And I kept doing this escalator thing.

00:52:19.750 --> 00:52:21.750
And I kept thinking to myself, man, hope he doesn't

00:52:21.750 --> 00:52:25.380
notice me. What the hell is that guy doing? But

00:52:25.380 --> 00:52:27.619
those bird's -eye views are really cool shots.

00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:33.679
Yeah, good. I remember those. But, yeah. Yeah,

00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:38.800
so many photos. I like the performance photos,

00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:41.440
but I think the ones that are special to me are

00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:44.400
the ones that are, like, maybe fans don't get

00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.000
to see so much, like the backstage stuff. Stuff

00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:50.460
from, like, Secret Samari. I used to hang out

00:52:50.460 --> 00:52:52.760
at the dressing room. I'd just take photos of

00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:56.059
them being stupid and goofy and dancing and just

00:52:56.059 --> 00:52:58.800
acting all weird because there's nothing to do

00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:00.719
before showtime. You're just like, man, I'm bored.

00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:05.639
There are a lot of weird, crazy shots. Normally,

00:53:05.820 --> 00:53:11.440
some probably I shouldn't ever publish. That's

00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:14.480
one thing that I have to say. Do you still do

00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:17.619
photography, Jimbo? I still shoot bands, but

00:53:17.619 --> 00:53:22.039
not lately. um that's busy moving i mean i started

00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.500
shooting radio stations when i was living in

00:53:24.500 --> 00:53:27.380
san diego like 91x i'd shoot like all their um

00:53:27.380 --> 00:53:30.380
rex the hog christmas shows like with like the

00:53:30.380 --> 00:53:33.460
you know blink -182 jane's addiction like all

00:53:33.460 --> 00:53:37.679
kinds of bands that you know and um so yeah i

00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:39.860
still i still still like concert photography

00:53:39.860 --> 00:53:41.940
quite a bit it's kind of challenging because

00:53:41.940 --> 00:53:45.420
uh it's so different from any other kind of photography

00:53:45.420 --> 00:53:47.880
like If you do like studio photography, you just

00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.280
have somebody sit there and you can give like

00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:54.360
all the camera settings to a monkey. Right. They'll

00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:57.079
be able to create that shot. But in a moving

00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:59.099
environment, first of all, you don't know what

00:53:59.099 --> 00:54:01.079
kind of venue you're going to be in. I've been

00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.059
in places where it's so dark. Man, the lighting

00:54:04.059 --> 00:54:07.260
is just horrific to shoot. So you got lighting

00:54:07.260 --> 00:54:09.579
to contend with. You got people on stage that

00:54:09.579 --> 00:54:14.590
won't stand still. If you don't get that shot,

00:54:14.769 --> 00:54:16.090
you're not going to get it again. It's not like

00:54:16.090 --> 00:54:18.869
I can tell Ed, hey, can you put on that purple

00:54:18.869 --> 00:54:21.829
boa and just run full speed out again? Because

00:54:21.829 --> 00:54:24.409
I missed that shot. That's not going to happen.

00:54:24.929 --> 00:54:28.309
The luxury that I had as a photographer was I

00:54:28.309 --> 00:54:32.730
got to go to so many shows that I knew, okay,

00:54:32.909 --> 00:54:35.349
man, I missed it that night. I know exactly where

00:54:35.349 --> 00:54:39.210
I need to be standing. I know exactly the songs

00:54:39.210 --> 00:54:42.389
that I want to hit. um, also the bands were,

00:54:42.409 --> 00:54:44.449
the bands always been really gracious about,

00:54:44.510 --> 00:54:47.710
you know, allowing me like full access. Um, and

00:54:47.710 --> 00:54:49.449
I think after a while, you know, it's kind of

00:54:49.449 --> 00:54:51.670
a matter of trust. Like, okay, we know this guy's

00:54:51.670 --> 00:54:53.570
not going to do anything stupid, like take dumb

00:54:53.570 --> 00:54:55.329
photos and like post it all over the internet.

00:54:55.510 --> 00:54:58.510
So, I mean, when you build that six member, Matt

00:54:58.510 --> 00:55:01.510
was the fifth member and Jimmy kind of six. Well,

00:55:01.630 --> 00:55:04.619
yeah. So it was a lot of, uh, there's a lot of

00:55:04.619 --> 00:55:06.719
trust that got built over the years where, you

00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:08.179
know, I would just show up to a show and they

00:55:08.179 --> 00:55:10.000
wouldn't even like, ah, whatever, it's Jimmy,

00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:11.539
he's running around with a stupid camera bag

00:55:11.539 --> 00:55:12.760
or whatever. Like, they would never question

00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.699
me. Like, I had free reign to kind of shoot whatever

00:55:15.699 --> 00:55:17.440
I wanted to shoot and they had the trust in that.

00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:19.420
Okay, well, he's not going to do anything stupid,

00:55:19.579 --> 00:55:23.699
so that's good. Right? So, I was always, I was

00:55:23.699 --> 00:55:25.880
always really fortunate and I was thankful for

00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:28.039
that. All the guys in bands were, they were super

00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:30.440
nice. Even all the managers are the same. So,

00:55:30.460 --> 00:55:33.139
I was really like, even, even, even people like

00:55:33.139 --> 00:55:35.440
Matt, You know, Matt's like probably the hardest

00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.900
working roadie I have ever seen. I mean, he's

00:55:37.900 --> 00:55:41.019
the first one in. He's the last one out. Wow.

00:55:41.340 --> 00:55:44.139
Sometimes I would like, you know, I'd be shooting

00:55:44.139 --> 00:55:46.460
and in order to get the shot, I'd be in his way.

00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:50.300
But he would never, ever once say a bad word

00:55:50.300 --> 00:55:52.420
to me. He would just be like, you know, he'd

00:55:52.420 --> 00:55:54.980
wait for me to finish anything. You know, if

00:55:54.980 --> 00:55:59.440
you can keep this clear. Right. Teamwork. But

00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:03.239
I mean, sorry, go ahead, John. Well, as I say,

00:56:03.260 --> 00:56:05.739
the reason why I asked you that question is because,

00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:10.159
you know, Instagram is huge, man. And you could

00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:12.760
have freaking, you know, if you, you know, you

00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.579
had stuff that would make it great Instagram

00:56:15.579 --> 00:56:18.039
page from, from back in the day. So I was wondering

00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:21.699
if you were continuing through and then, you

00:56:21.699 --> 00:56:23.820
know, still taking it because, you know, you

00:56:23.820 --> 00:56:26.559
could have a huge Instagram page, I believe,

00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:29.420
or some kind of social. I have an Instagram account

00:56:29.420 --> 00:56:31.519
called Shooting Life, Shooting Life Official.

00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:34.980
Nice. Where I post some photos. I kind of stopped

00:56:34.980 --> 00:56:36.880
working on it because of the movie and everything.

00:56:37.139 --> 00:56:39.460
But, yeah, one day I do have plans to, like,

00:56:39.500 --> 00:56:41.780
go through more photos and, like, post some really

00:56:41.780 --> 00:56:46.079
cool archival stuff. Sweet. Maybe even, like,

00:56:46.139 --> 00:56:51.179
stories and stuff. That's kind of a shooting

00:56:51.179 --> 00:56:54.219
live official. That's kind of a cool play on

00:56:54.219 --> 00:56:57.099
the words, too, because you used to shoot the

00:56:57.099 --> 00:56:59.639
band live, but then also you were shooting live

00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:02.199
performances, so you kind of. Tackle both of

00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:06.159
those right at once. That's exactly why I picked

00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:10.559
that. Even like the early days, I remember, so

00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:12.860
Chad, you probably remember Greg Steele? He used

00:57:12.860 --> 00:57:15.940
to do your... Hell yeah, Greg was awesome. So

00:57:15.940 --> 00:57:20.719
I used to send him photos and I haven't kept

00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:23.139
in touch with him forever, but I do remember

00:57:23.139 --> 00:57:25.000
a lot of my early photos I would send to Greg.

00:57:25.059 --> 00:57:26.900
He'd always be like, hey, give me some shots

00:57:26.900 --> 00:57:28.860
of Chad. How about some shots of his drum kit?

00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:33.880
He was a huge fan. I don't think I get Greg on

00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:36.539
here. He was a huge fan, especially a huge fan

00:57:36.539 --> 00:57:39.360
of mine. He actually did chadgracy .com for a

00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:43.980
long time. Pretty cool guy. Cool guy. He came

00:57:43.980 --> 00:57:48.559
up with chadgracyhates hashtags. That was me.

00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:59.260
Trying to remember some crazy stories. I remember

00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:02.199
Wait, Jim, real quick. I have a question for

00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:05.800
you. Has the band, were you single back in the

00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:08.500
day? And if you were, has the band ever gotten

00:58:08.500 --> 00:58:14.880
you laid? No, I was not. I was not single. I

00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:20.280
was with a girl. Oh, damn you. It's all good,

00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.820
though. It's turned into a lifetime, too. Nice.

00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:27.840
But, yeah, it was pretty. Those early days were,

00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:30.800
for me anyways, were like super interesting.

00:58:32.139 --> 00:58:36.019
And even going into like, man, the Secret Samadhi.

00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:39.780
I remember the first time I heard Secret Samadhi

00:58:39.780 --> 00:58:42.480
was Dave Sestak was the manager and he played

00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:45.820
it for me in his car. And I was like, what is

00:58:45.820 --> 00:58:50.340
this? It's kind of dark a little bit. And so

00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:53.239
different from, but like I grew to really, that

00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:55.119
was one of my favorite tours actually, Secret

00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:57.610
Samadhi tour. I liked it. a little bit better,

00:58:57.650 --> 00:59:01.010
I think, than Throne Copper Tour. But they, man,

00:59:01.050 --> 00:59:02.869
they were playing, I mean, by that time, the

00:59:02.869 --> 00:59:05.489
band had gotten so huge. I remember going to

00:59:05.489 --> 00:59:08.369
Arizona and each of the band members had their

00:59:08.369 --> 00:59:10.789
own bus. I mean, that's how crazy it was. Get

00:59:10.789 --> 00:59:13.690
the fuck out of here. You guys were really living

00:59:13.690 --> 00:59:15.969
like rock stars. Yeah, I was like, they were

00:59:15.969 --> 00:59:19.050
so huge after Throne Copper that, you know, Gracie

00:59:19.050 --> 00:59:21.030
had his own bus, Pat had his own bus, Ed had

00:59:21.030 --> 00:59:23.329
his own bus, everybody had their own buses. And

00:59:23.329 --> 00:59:27.730
the production was huge. I mean, just. just trailers

00:59:27.730 --> 00:59:34.670
and such a such a crazy um crazy crazy time to

00:59:34.670 --> 00:59:38.889
add that much and i remember i i was out for

00:59:38.889 --> 00:59:42.889
the first week of that tour and um uh i remember

00:59:42.889 --> 00:59:44.929
uh their management really wanted to get a lot

00:59:44.929 --> 00:59:48.170
of footage and a lot of um cool photos for their

00:59:48.170 --> 00:59:51.949
website because by then 97 98 like okay people

00:59:51.949 --> 00:59:53.889
are starting to understand okay internet this

00:59:53.889 --> 00:59:57.769
is a great reach reached out to people and so

00:59:57.769 --> 01:00:01.269
uh they ended up buying a mac um a mac tower

01:00:01.269 --> 01:00:05.309
and a road case and it went on the road with

01:00:05.309 --> 01:00:07.309
and every time i was out on the road i'd be like

01:00:07.309 --> 01:00:10.750
taking photos download it to this mac um do videos

01:00:10.750 --> 01:00:13.630
on like firewire at the time but it was crazy

01:00:13.630 --> 01:00:17.389
because that mac was so big i remember uh i think

01:00:17.389 --> 01:00:20.110
i got mad that i was like uh hogging up all the

01:00:20.110 --> 01:00:22.030
the space on the desk if you've ever been on

01:00:22.030 --> 01:00:25.659
a tour bus space is at a premium there so you

01:00:25.659 --> 01:00:27.579
know after every show like why is there a big

01:00:27.579 --> 01:00:31.480
ass like computer tower and a monitor occupying

01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:33.539
our spaces and there i was like working on photos

01:00:33.539 --> 01:00:38.340
like um but uh those are those are some uh crazy

01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:40.000
times you were on the tour bus and everything

01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.780
uh yeah i went i've been out on the road i've

01:00:43.780 --> 01:00:45.480
been out on the road a few times with the band

01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:48.320
just so you know hit your right so let me ask

01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:51.909
you this did you have like was it did you sleep

01:00:51.909 --> 01:00:54.889
on all tour members bus were you in a separate

01:00:54.889 --> 01:00:57.070
bus like for the fucking dogs like where were

01:00:57.070 --> 01:01:01.269
you i was a lot of times i was i was awake because

01:01:01.269 --> 01:01:04.530
uh what was happening like the um after the show

01:01:04.530 --> 01:01:07.530
i would have to process the videos and then i

01:01:07.530 --> 01:01:09.349
would also like have download all the photos

01:01:09.349 --> 01:01:11.929
and mess around photoshop so i was literally

01:01:11.929 --> 01:01:14.030
awake the whole night pretty much while everybody

01:01:14.030 --> 01:01:16.329
was like crashed and we're on a bus going to

01:01:16.329 --> 01:01:18.349
so then i would get those and i would try to

01:01:18.349 --> 01:01:20.679
upload it for the next day so that people could

01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:24.639
see concert stuff from the day before. So a lot

01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:28.480
of times I slept during the day and then wake

01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:31.340
up in time to soundcheck or something. But yeah,

01:01:31.420 --> 01:01:33.400
during the night, man, I was working on that

01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:38.699
Mac quite a bit. And you would sleep on a tour

01:01:38.699 --> 01:01:40.719
bus or would you find some place at the venue?

01:01:41.860 --> 01:01:43.460
Sometimes I would just sleep in a dressing room

01:01:43.460 --> 01:01:45.880
or just find some place to crash. I'm one of

01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:49.260
those weird people where I can sleep on the floor.

01:01:49.929 --> 01:01:52.949
Wow, like my father. FedEx box for a pillow or

01:01:52.949 --> 01:01:58.670
something. Totally fine. But yeah, that tour

01:01:58.670 --> 01:02:00.369
was pretty cool because I got to see also a lot

01:02:00.369 --> 01:02:03.510
of cool bands that I really liked too, like Love

01:02:03.510 --> 01:02:05.789
Spit Love and Richard Butler from Psychedelic

01:02:05.789 --> 01:02:08.349
Furs. I mean, I was a huge fan of them and he

01:02:08.349 --> 01:02:13.250
was out on tour with them. So it was a good time

01:02:13.250 --> 01:02:16.719
for me to... Pretty cool to be able to shoot

01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:18.739
other bands and listen to other bands I like.

01:02:18.900 --> 01:02:26.519
I did Much Music TV, that tour in 97. Oh, of

01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:28.820
course, for Throwing Copper, the biggest highlight

01:02:28.820 --> 01:02:34.019
for me was going to see the taping of MTV Unplugged.

01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.179
That was awesome. Because at that time, everybody

01:02:37.179 --> 01:02:43.360
was doing Unplugged. Nirvana. I remember after,

01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:47.360
and I think during that show, I think you guys

01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:48.880
repeated a song. I can't remember which song

01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:53.239
it was. But I was remarking with my friend, the

01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:56.599
band was so tight. Like, man, that rhythm section

01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:59.440
was freaking solid. Everything about the band

01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:02.420
at that point was so tight that they did the

01:03:02.420 --> 01:03:06.340
whole show in one tape, pretty much that MTV

01:03:06.340 --> 01:03:09.760
Unplugged in one tape. And I remember my friend

01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:13.059
was remarking. He said, man, when they did it,

01:03:13.059 --> 01:03:15.619
they had to redo a whole bunch of songs to get

01:03:15.619 --> 01:03:20.179
it right. But I did all of it in one take. But

01:03:20.179 --> 01:03:22.480
then there's one song that I said, if it's okay,

01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:24.719
we'd like to do this one again. That was cool.

01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:27.260
I forget what song we did over, but I remember

01:03:27.260 --> 01:03:31.460
doing that. Did you take any pictures that happened?

01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:34.880
I didn't take any photos there. I was just there

01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:38.159
to enjoy the shows. I was on the balcony watching

01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:42.260
the whole thing. But the thing about taking photos

01:03:42.260 --> 01:03:43.940
and shooting videos and all that kind of stuff

01:03:43.940 --> 01:03:46.280
is sometimes I don't really get to enjoy the

01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:48.860
shows. Right. Because I'm so focused on, like,

01:03:48.860 --> 01:03:50.840
man, let me see if I can get this shot. I didn't

01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:53.260
get it the night before. Or let's see if I can

01:03:53.260 --> 01:03:55.900
do this. Or I need to be over there. And so I'm

01:03:55.900 --> 01:04:00.820
so immersed in my own stuff that I sometimes

01:04:00.820 --> 01:04:02.880
don't even get to enjoy the show. I'm like, oh,

01:04:02.900 --> 01:04:04.880
shit, it's already encore? Damn, I only got,

01:04:04.940 --> 01:04:07.429
like, two songs left or something. Right. I still

01:04:07.429 --> 01:04:09.610
don't understand or know why exactly we haven't

01:04:09.610 --> 01:04:13.929
released Unplugged. I don't know what happened.

01:04:14.969 --> 01:04:17.530
It's on YouTube. It's so legendary. Of course,

01:04:17.530 --> 01:04:19.710
it's on YouTube now. It doesn't matter. At the

01:04:19.710 --> 01:04:21.409
time, I don't know why we didn't release it or

01:04:21.409 --> 01:04:24.050
couldn't release it. I wonder if it was some

01:04:24.050 --> 01:04:26.309
kind of contractual thing with their record label.

01:04:26.389 --> 01:04:29.030
Like, if you did that album, it could be considered

01:04:29.030 --> 01:04:31.789
one of the albums that you owe to them and they

01:04:31.789 --> 01:04:34.010
wanted an actual studio album or some shit. Could

01:04:34.010 --> 01:04:37.099
be. You know? Some bullshit like that. Yeah.

01:04:40.940 --> 01:04:45.179
God, I'm sorry, Jimbo. Let's see what else I

01:04:45.179 --> 01:04:48.900
can recall. Oh, so also during the Super Smiley

01:04:48.900 --> 01:04:50.980
tour, man, there was a lot of stuff going on.

01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:55.860
During that tour, Princess Di had died, and I

01:04:55.860 --> 01:04:57.619
remember we were playing Wolf Mountain. Princess

01:04:57.619 --> 01:05:00.900
Di, yeah, we were in Utah. Wolf Mountain in Utah.

01:05:01.500 --> 01:05:06.079
You remember that just that well. I totally remembered

01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.460
it. I was like, holy shit. Princess Di just died

01:05:09.460 --> 01:05:13.059
in a car accident. I think Patrick's brother

01:05:13.059 --> 01:05:15.400
was out for that show. He played with him on

01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:20.159
a bunch of shows. When we saw that Princess Di

01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:23.480
died, oh man, that's hot. Veruca Salt was out

01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:26.000
on that tour. That was really cool. I think Ed

01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:31.070
was really into his skateboarding. He'd always

01:05:31.070 --> 01:05:34.489
be backstage with a skateboard and be skateboarding

01:05:34.489 --> 01:05:37.590
around. Ed Kowalczyk was in a skateboarding.

01:05:37.690 --> 01:05:40.670
No way. I got some photos of him skateboarding.

01:05:40.710 --> 01:05:44.130
I've never seen a photo of that. I would never

01:05:44.130 --> 01:05:48.090
ever picture him on a skateboard. That was the

01:05:48.090 --> 01:05:50.949
time frame where he was also really into Adidas.

01:05:51.829 --> 01:05:57.860
His spiritual journey there. So that was interesting,

01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:00.119
too, because they always have, like, two meet

01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:02.460
and greets. So there was the normal meet and

01:06:02.460 --> 01:06:05.519
greet for, like, live fans, and then they had

01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:08.820
a second meet and greet with Ed and Adida and

01:06:08.820 --> 01:06:10.360
all the followers that would come out to the

01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:11.619
live shows. And I was like, oh, interesting.

01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:17.139
Adida followers, yeah. What is Adila? Adida.

01:06:17.780 --> 01:06:21.860
Oh, Adida. Some spiritual guy that Ed was following.

01:06:22.039 --> 01:06:24.989
He was a guru. guru guy that i was following

01:06:24.989 --> 01:06:30.789
for a while yeah yeah seeing like the the letters

01:06:30.789 --> 01:06:34.570
written out adida or whatever but um i was always

01:06:34.570 --> 01:06:37.170
kind of like what is i always thought what who

01:06:37.170 --> 01:06:41.670
i didn't know what the heck it was yeah i um

01:06:41.670 --> 01:06:45.349
i can't remember it was that tour chad but wasn't

01:06:45.349 --> 01:06:47.550
it there was like a show that you played i want

01:06:47.550 --> 01:06:49.269
to say like hamburg in germany or something where

01:06:49.269 --> 01:06:52.719
it ended up being like a three -hour show And

01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:55.400
you were so mad. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was like

01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:57.719
hammering. They kept wanting to do another encore

01:06:57.719 --> 01:06:59.900
and another encore, and your hands were all,

01:06:59.940 --> 01:07:03.420
like, bashed. The rest of the band? That was

01:07:03.420 --> 01:07:05.260
the longest show we ever did, yeah. Yeah, it

01:07:05.260 --> 01:07:07.440
was a super long show. It was like a three -hour

01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:09.699
show. I was like, holy cow. We were almost running

01:07:09.699 --> 01:07:11.460
out of songs to do. We were like, what can we

01:07:11.460 --> 01:07:14.960
do now? We haven't played this forever. But what

01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:19.380
made that happen, Chad? Like, why? I'm not sure

01:07:19.380 --> 01:07:21.840
exactly. We just kept playing. I don't know.

01:07:22.469 --> 01:07:24.650
And the other guy, not for nothing, but do they

01:07:24.650 --> 01:07:27.309
realize like, hey, drums are not the guitar.

01:07:27.449 --> 01:07:30.269
Like, I'm actually burning fucking mad calories

01:07:30.269 --> 01:07:33.809
here. Yeah. I think that's why you're mad. You're

01:07:33.809 --> 01:07:37.030
like, man, I'm tired, man. I'm tired. Well, Jimmy,

01:07:37.130 --> 01:07:38.269
I was just going to... At some point, I was like,

01:07:38.289 --> 01:07:40.090
okay, this is enough. God damn it. What the fuck

01:07:40.090 --> 01:07:42.730
are we doing here? Well, Jimmy, I was just going

01:07:42.730 --> 01:07:45.849
to say to you, dude, filming a photograph...

01:07:45.849 --> 01:07:49.150
What is it? To take a photograph of the drummer,

01:07:49.250 --> 01:07:53.480
especially... Chad, he's constantly head moving,

01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:55.960
whole body movement. That's got to be difficult

01:07:55.960 --> 01:08:00.519
to capture and not get. He's the hardest one

01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:03.679
to get photos of. In general, I think drummers

01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:05.719
are just hard to get photos of because they're

01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:09.280
just almost hand still. You get a really good

01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:11.699
shot and then it's like, oh man, his face is

01:08:11.699 --> 01:08:15.139
half covered by this symbol. Wonderful. Right.

01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:21.319
It's really challenging. I really enjoy it. It's

01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:24.260
just a different kind of photography. I mean,

01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:27.300
photography in itself is pretty crazy because

01:08:27.300 --> 01:08:30.279
you've got the scientific side where you got

01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:33.619
to know about exposure and shutter speed and

01:08:33.619 --> 01:08:35.479
ISO and film speed and all this kind of stuff

01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:38.020
and aperture. But then you also have the creative

01:08:38.020 --> 01:08:40.579
side. So it's cool because you kind of get to

01:08:40.579 --> 01:08:43.340
combine a little bit of both. Yeah. A little

01:08:43.340 --> 01:08:49.239
bit like multitasking. multitasking a lot. And

01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:51.800
I don't know, that stuff is really challenging

01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:53.920
to me. So I always find those things kind of

01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:59.460
cool. Sure. Yeah. A lot of good memories there.

01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:02.979
Jimbo, what I want to do here is cause I love

01:09:02.979 --> 01:09:06.810
to leave our audience. wanting more foaming at

01:09:06.810 --> 01:09:09.750
the mouth so i'm going to resume the rest for

01:09:09.750 --> 01:09:12.430
next tuesday ladies and we have jimmy back on

01:09:12.430 --> 01:09:15.550
next tuesday uh jimmy you want to tell them where

01:09:15.550 --> 01:09:18.489
they could find you social media wise or what

01:09:18.489 --> 01:09:23.590
i i have a not really i have a hate love i have

01:09:23.590 --> 01:09:26.430
a love hate relationship with social media i

01:09:26.430 --> 01:09:28.729
mean it's cool uh keep in touch with old friends

01:09:28.729 --> 01:09:31.590
but then it's like man it's just too pretentious

01:09:31.590 --> 01:09:34.210
sometimes and i'll go like you know six months

01:09:34.210 --> 01:09:36.689
without six months or seven months without being

01:09:36.689 --> 01:09:38.210
on Facebook and then I'll come back like, oh,

01:09:38.210 --> 01:09:40.470
okay, so not much has changed. The more things

01:09:40.470 --> 01:09:44.609
change, the more this data thing. I mean, they

01:09:44.609 --> 01:09:46.970
can go jump on my Instagram if they want shooting

01:09:46.970 --> 01:09:49.689
live official. I'll start adding more photos

01:09:49.689 --> 01:09:53.510
to that. Shooting live official to the Instagram

01:09:53.510 --> 01:09:57.109
account. But yeah, I'm going to try to keep away

01:09:57.109 --> 01:10:00.369
from the drama as much as I can. I'm so busy

01:10:00.369 --> 01:10:03.300
these days moving and shit. I promise not to

01:10:03.300 --> 01:10:05.720
talk politics, but I will say that I am very

01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:08.939
proud to be out and escaped from the state of

01:10:08.939 --> 01:10:13.279
California. Lucky you, baby. So very proud. So

01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:16.420
happy I made it. So, John, remind me next week.

01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:21.300
I'm sorry that in case I forget, the time that

01:10:21.300 --> 01:10:26.560
I had lunch, Ed and I had lunch with... Oh, shit,

01:10:26.579 --> 01:10:31.039
man. My brain is like... Oh, I remember the...

01:10:32.090 --> 01:10:33.890
And Neil Young. Oh, my God, I can't believe it.

01:10:33.949 --> 01:10:37.350
Yeah, there was a time in the... Oh, yes. There

01:10:37.350 --> 01:10:39.050
was a time when Ed and I had lunch with Neil

01:10:39.050 --> 01:10:42.989
Young. So let's not... Yeah, that's it. I'll

01:10:42.989 --> 01:10:44.989
try to remember. I didn't even know about this.

01:10:45.069 --> 01:10:47.909
Jimmy, we did a pre -call for this thing. He

01:10:47.909 --> 01:10:49.170
told me about it. I was like, what? I didn't

01:10:49.170 --> 01:10:51.310
even know they had lunch together. It's freaking

01:10:51.310 --> 01:10:55.829
cool. Yeah, that is dope. That's one of the stories

01:10:55.829 --> 01:10:58.689
we have so much more. Yeah, a lot of stories

01:10:58.689 --> 01:11:02.069
for Raylo for the chat. Oh, boy. Oh, yeah. Oh,

01:11:02.069 --> 01:11:07.390
yeah. Dennis Rodman. Yeah, he robbed. That was

01:11:07.390 --> 01:11:10.770
cool. Australia. Fans in Australia. Fans in the

01:11:10.770 --> 01:11:13.710
Netherlands. Always, always, like, really good

01:11:13.710 --> 01:11:15.369
places. Oh, they're great, those fans. They love

01:11:15.369 --> 01:11:19.069
them a lot. Really good places for live to play.

01:11:19.270 --> 01:11:22.250
But, yeah, even, like, Gracious Feud. Maybe we

01:11:22.250 --> 01:11:24.750
can get to some Kevin Hartman and stuff. Talk

01:11:24.750 --> 01:11:27.229
about that as well. Yes. Definitely. Sounds good.

01:11:27.689 --> 01:11:30.609
Like I said, next week is part two, but I'm sure

01:11:30.609 --> 01:11:33.310
there's going to be, you know, well, not part

01:11:33.310 --> 01:11:35.390
three or four, but he'll be on again because

01:11:35.390 --> 01:11:37.710
Jimmy goes years and years back, like you heard

01:11:37.710 --> 01:11:40.670
him. So you want to say goodbye to the audience,

01:11:40.850 --> 01:11:43.869
Jimbo? Yeah, sure. Thanks, everybody, for hanging

01:11:43.869 --> 01:11:46.569
out and listening to my crazy stories. I find

01:11:46.569 --> 01:11:48.949
that as I get older, getting older with age,

01:11:48.970 --> 01:11:51.569
it's harder to remember stuff. That's why I was

01:11:51.569 --> 01:11:55.369
going to ask you, like, when did you start dying

01:11:55.369 --> 01:12:00.439
your hair silver there, Chad? Once I had my twins.

01:12:02.779 --> 01:12:04.779
All right, guys. He's going to start shaving

01:12:04.779 --> 01:12:07.239
his head in the center, too, and just have hair

01:12:07.239 --> 01:12:11.560
on the sides. Exactly. All right, Jimbo, be good.

01:12:11.819 --> 01:12:14.239
Thank you, Jim. We'll see you next week. All

01:12:14.239 --> 01:12:17.880
right, I'm going to blast out of here. See you,

01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:21.840
guys. See you. All right, ladies and gentlemen,

01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:26.460
and that was Jimmy Lang, ladies and gentlemen.

01:12:27.240 --> 01:12:30.380
What a great dude, man. What a great story. He

01:12:30.380 --> 01:12:33.560
has a ton more. That Neil Young story is definitely

01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:36.699
fun. Yeah, Chad, he told me briefly about it

01:12:36.699 --> 01:12:38.300
too, but I'm like, I don't want to stop there.

01:12:38.500 --> 01:12:41.300
I literally didn't even know that that happened,

01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:44.380
so I'm excited to hear the story too. Yeah, dude.

01:12:44.539 --> 01:12:47.060
He sent me an outline of all things we could

01:12:47.060 --> 01:12:49.279
talk about, and then we were talking on the phone

01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:51.420
before that, and we started getting into something.

01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:54.699
I'm like, dude, we got to stop because... I need

01:12:54.699 --> 01:12:57.000
to get my honest reactions on air and all that

01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:00.420
stuff because he's so much cool shit, dude. I

01:13:00.420 --> 01:13:02.779
apologize. I was in the middle of his stories.

01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:06.399
The USPS is texting me that they don't have the

01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:08.220
proper address to deliver this package I have

01:13:08.220 --> 01:13:11.720
coming. I'm like, now? Really? And how do they

01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:15.420
not have that when you... I don't know. It's

01:13:15.420 --> 01:13:17.699
the United States Postal Service, you know. Well,

01:13:17.739 --> 01:13:21.000
yeah. Yeah. I am still amazed, though, that you

01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:24.460
could send a fucking letter from New Jersey to

01:13:24.460 --> 01:13:27.760
California. It should be there in three days.

01:13:27.939 --> 01:13:31.340
But for, like, how much is a stamp? Like, not

01:13:31.340 --> 01:13:33.140
much. Are they 56 cents now? I mean, no, it's

01:13:33.140 --> 01:13:35.439
not much. I mean, they get, listen, I should,

01:13:35.579 --> 01:13:38.180
yeah, they get a lot done with, for what they

01:13:38.180 --> 01:13:40.220
do. Absolutely. But there's also a lot of mistakes.

01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:43.640
Yeah. But the amount they deal with is crazy.

01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:47.279
Yes, for sure. Anyway, so in the middle of the

01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:49.199
stories, I'm getting these texts from the USPS.

01:13:49.239 --> 01:13:51.420
I'm like, I got a phone call. I'm like, God damn

01:13:51.420 --> 01:13:55.460
it. So anyway, sorry, Jimmy. So just I want our

01:13:55.460 --> 01:13:57.140
audience to know because we have a private chat

01:13:57.140 --> 01:14:00.840
that goes on here. And I just want everybody

01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:04.439
to know how crazy our producer or our Rob Avianc

01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:07.220
is. He said you used to be able to send children

01:14:07.220 --> 01:14:09.539
through the mail system. That's a fact. Oh, yeah,

01:14:09.579 --> 01:14:12.020
you could. I did hear that they send somebody

01:14:12.020 --> 01:14:14.699
in a refrigerator box or something just to see

01:14:14.699 --> 01:14:17.479
if they could do it, and that person got through,

01:14:17.699 --> 01:14:20.939
which is crazy. Yeah, you should be able to send

01:14:20.939 --> 01:14:23.739
kids to the Coastal Service like a relative or

01:14:23.739 --> 01:14:26.399
something. That's insane, man. Of course they're

01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:28.939
basically doing that at the border now with our

01:14:28.939 --> 01:14:32.739
lovely administration. Oh, yeah, they're sending

01:14:32.739 --> 01:14:36.060
anything and everything. Oh, my God, dude. They're

01:14:36.060 --> 01:14:38.939
releasing like 80, what is it, 85 ,000 children

01:14:38.939 --> 01:14:41.100
are now missing. They don't know where they are.

01:14:41.180 --> 01:14:44.720
Our lovely Homeland Security Department, who

01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:47.939
the fuck takes care of it? 85 ,000 from where,

01:14:48.100 --> 01:14:51.340
Chad? Well, from all over the world. 85 ,000

01:14:51.340 --> 01:14:52.920
kids that have crossed the border that are now

01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:57.180
lost. We don't know where they went. Wow. They

01:14:57.180 --> 01:15:00.359
give them this know -your -rights briefing. This

01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:02.800
lady was in front of Josh Hawley the other day

01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:07.899
in Senate. or Congress, and she was the head

01:15:07.899 --> 01:15:13.640
of this section of the HHS, and her whole job

01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:15.760
was to make sure that the kids know their rights.

01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:18.300
So they'd read them this whole thing about knowing

01:15:18.300 --> 01:15:20.199
their rights, and then they would give them to

01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:24.899
God knows who. Right. And she confirmed it. They

01:15:24.899 --> 01:15:26.760
just give them to people, and they take them

01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:29.199
to wherever they're going to go. They're sex

01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:32.810
trafficked, they're labor trafficked. So you

01:15:32.810 --> 01:15:34.930
feel good about your job, about, you know, regaining

01:15:34.930 --> 01:15:36.590
their rights, and then they have no rights when

01:15:36.590 --> 01:15:37.989
they go with these people, whoever the fuck they

01:15:37.989 --> 01:15:39.550
are. They don't know who they are. They don't

01:15:39.550 --> 01:15:42.090
know where they've gone. How is this going on

01:15:42.090 --> 01:15:45.970
in America? Totally. How's it going on in America?

01:15:46.130 --> 01:15:51.050
Yeah. Talk to the guy in charge. Which one? Because

01:15:51.050 --> 01:15:54.609
I don't think it's fucking puppet master or puppeteer

01:15:54.609 --> 01:15:58.189
fucking Biden. Yeah. I love that people are like,

01:15:58.229 --> 01:16:01.560
it was so much better than Trump. God, are you

01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:04.220
fucking serious? What do you look at? Right.

01:16:04.659 --> 01:16:07.859
What's the indicator? Just the fact that the

01:16:07.859 --> 01:16:10.859
only thing that's better, Chad, and this is what

01:16:10.859 --> 01:16:12.720
I'm going to say, the only thing that technically

01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:18.539
is better is the right and the left aren't fucking

01:16:18.539 --> 01:16:21.979
as fucking hating each other as much as when

01:16:21.979 --> 01:16:26.189
Trump was in office. Trump really... The left

01:16:26.189 --> 01:16:28.869
hated him so much that no matter what the right

01:16:28.869 --> 01:16:30.770
said, it was wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

01:16:31.810 --> 01:16:37.550
Sure. Because he's an outsider. Right. I will

01:16:37.550 --> 01:16:39.390
say that's what got better, but that has nothing

01:16:39.390 --> 01:16:41.869
to do with Biden. That just has to do with the

01:16:41.869 --> 01:16:46.310
crazy fucking left that just was having a hissy

01:16:46.310 --> 01:16:48.729
fit because their guy wasn't in office and an

01:16:48.729 --> 01:16:51.479
outsider got in. Oh, now you got it. You've got

01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:53.899
a guy in, you have wars popping up all over the

01:16:53.899 --> 01:16:56.420
fucking world, you have a completely open border.

01:16:56.840 --> 01:17:00.859
I mean, inflation, gas prices out of control.

01:17:02.180 --> 01:17:05.840
It's just crazy what's happening. Dude, and what

01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:09.420
the fuck is with the UN trying to tell Israel,

01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:12.680
okay, it's been 30 days, why don't we take it

01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:15.899
down a notch? Fuck you! Why don't you take it

01:17:15.899 --> 01:17:18.439
down a notch? Why does the UN go and fucking

01:17:18.439 --> 01:17:20.840
tell that to Putin? It's been fucking a year.

01:17:20.899 --> 01:17:23.640
Take it down a notch. Right. I just saw Reuters

01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:30.600
article come up on my phone. It's like 10 ,000

01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:35.300
dead children in Gaza. It's like, okay. You're

01:17:35.300 --> 01:17:38.600
right. Yeah, that sucks. That's horrible. But

01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:41.279
like, they're going after Hamas. There's going

01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:44.170
to be collateral damage. And not only that, before

01:17:44.170 --> 01:17:47.930
Israel fucking, you know, did a major fucking

01:17:47.930 --> 01:17:51.470
strike, they said you have, they gave 72 hours

01:17:51.470 --> 01:17:54.409
to get the fuck out. If you stay, you're considered

01:17:54.409 --> 01:17:58.149
a fucking enemy. So get the fuck out if you're

01:17:58.149 --> 01:18:01.609
not. Not for nothing, but, you know, you harbor

01:18:01.609 --> 01:18:04.270
Hamas. You know what I'm saying? The Palestinians.

01:18:04.630 --> 01:18:07.989
So it's like, what is there, 30 fucking thousand

01:18:07.989 --> 01:18:11.300
in Hamas and he's controlling the fucking. whatever

01:18:11.300 --> 01:18:13.720
millions that are there, like fucking stand up

01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:16.960
and fucking tell the Hamas you don't want this

01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:20.260
shit anymore and don't have a problem with Israel

01:18:20.260 --> 01:18:22.960
and none of this shit would be happening. Right.

01:18:23.140 --> 01:18:25.939
Yeah, exactly. It wouldn't be a child graveyard

01:18:25.939 --> 01:18:28.399
if Hamas didn't attack fucking Israel. Exactly.

01:18:28.539 --> 01:18:30.939
You're calling for Israel to stop. We're attacked,

01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:33.640
motherfucker. What would happen if, you know,

01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:36.140
of course the UN technically can't be attacked,

01:18:36.220 --> 01:18:39.000
but if... France was attacked by their neighbor

01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:42.659
or fucking, you know, England was attacked by

01:18:42.659 --> 01:18:45.760
their neighbor. We're going to tell them to stop?

01:18:45.859 --> 01:18:48.680
No. Fucking, did they, I mean, they tried to

01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:50.899
tell us to stop Iraq, Afghanistan, but did we?

01:18:50.939 --> 01:18:53.579
No. So it's like, fuck off. It's none of your

01:18:53.579 --> 01:18:56.060
business. You're not in Israel. You're not the

01:18:56.060 --> 01:18:58.439
one who was attacked. Anybody in the UN that's

01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:00.800
saying that they should stop, well, fucking Hamas

01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:03.060
shouldn't have started it. And maybe the only

01:19:03.060 --> 01:19:06.119
way to have this not happen again. is to eradicate

01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:09.380
the majority, if not all of them, and lose some

01:19:09.380 --> 01:19:12.560
innocent people in the way, unfortunately. But,

01:19:12.619 --> 01:19:17.079
you know, Israel didn't start it. You got it.

01:19:17.180 --> 01:19:21.039
Don't make me get my panties in a bunch. But

01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:23.640
we've held you guys long enough, ladies and gentlemen.

01:19:23.699 --> 01:19:26.380
I do want to say thank you, thank you, thank

01:19:26.380 --> 01:19:29.579
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01:19:42.850 --> 01:19:45.329
It seems like you guys are doing word of mouth

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cause we're not the best at promotion. Um, yeah,

01:19:50.430 --> 01:19:52.829
no, we, I mean, we're as good as we, as, as we

01:19:52.829 --> 01:19:55.229
are. We try our best, but, uh, I want to thank

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you guys for getting a word out. Uh, it's appreciated

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and keep it going. Uh, so Instagram, we are,

01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:06.840
The underscore, underscore gracious, underscore

01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:10.079
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01:20:12.180 --> 01:20:16.600
So there you go. And thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

01:20:17.140 --> 01:20:21.279
Chatting, anything you got for them? No. All

01:20:21.279 --> 01:20:24.880
right. Thanks for watching. Yeah, thank you for

01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:26.539
watching. Bobby, you got anything to say to the

01:20:26.539 --> 01:20:31.800
audience? No, just thank you for watching. Keep

01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:35.069
watching. Yes. All right. That's our young Bobby,

01:20:35.170 --> 01:20:38.289
ladies and gentlemen. I am Mr. Good Times, and

01:20:38.289 --> 01:20:43.189
we are the gracious two putting the shit in bowls.

01:20:43.229 --> 01:20:46.069
Bullshit. Later.