The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 010 - Jimmy Lang pt. 2

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and it seems like we are live ladies and gentlemen

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back again episode 10 whoa I'm a poet did not

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know it yes yes mute yourself Bob A unless you're

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talking to us Mr. Petrowsky used to say that

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Oh, that's right, I forgot about that guy, Mr.

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Petrowsky. We went to school together, Bobby

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and I, grade school, and his name was Mr. Petrowski,

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he was the gayest man I've ever seen in your

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life, dude. It was the coolest thing to see as

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a kid, and he would just sit on, this is the

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best story. I forget what he was actually teaching,

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he might have been teaching history or some shit.

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but he's sitting on his stool and he's rocking

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back and forth and he's got his legs crossed

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like real femininely and he rocked back so far

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that he fucking fell off his chair and busted

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it yeah and the whole class busted out laughing

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and like he got up and was i've never seen a

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game with this feminine dude could be real scary

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if he needed to be oh yeah and uh yeah needless

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to say we didn't laugh at mr patrowski again

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oh we had a gym teacher uh named mr plate who

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would smoke inside the fucking in his office

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inside the locker room all day long oh god it's

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back in the 80s of course yeah back when america

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was america man so yeah you didn't want to go

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to mr plate's office it was like oh my god it's

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gross dude back in the day america was a hard

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ass oh yeah oh yeah i mean teachers would hit

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kids and shit but like Back in the day, people

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were drinking and driving and fucking smoking

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cigarettes indoors. Like this was fucking the

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land of the free home of the brave, baby. Smoking

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on planes and everything. Now you can't talk

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about shots and stuff. Right. Our freedom of

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speech is gone, man. We're communist fucking

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riven, dude. We're communist russian and we're

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like back in like Nazi Germany with all the Jew

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haters out there now. It's fucking insane, dude.

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Dude, well, I all coming from the left, which

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is so ironic, the tolerant left hate Jews. Like

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what happened? It's crazy. It's crazy, dude.

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Like I want to know how this is just acceptable

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all of a sudden. Well, because it's on the left.

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That's why it's acceptable. Everyone's like,

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oh, well, it must be justified because it's like

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the oppressed and the oppressor are like on that

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fucking line of horseshit. And, you know, it's

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I mean, it's just it's the. It's the soft underbelly

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of racism on the left. It's gone out. I hope

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people are waking up and realizing that because

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it's getting fucked up, dude. You got students

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in colleges afraid for their lives and hiding

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in libraries, essentially Jewish students. It's

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at a level that I've never seen in my lifetime.

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Right like ramping up to World War two level

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fucking propaganda and shit Yeah, and it's all

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coming from leftist students and trucking leftist

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ideology. It's wild man. It's wild to watch Well,

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if this was Russia's plan from the 80s like that

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one fucking KGB agent said my god Propaganda

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machine the USA baby. It's just crazy I was talking

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to Bobby last night about how just deep state

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our fucking CIA is and how they infiltrated Hollywood

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and put all their propaganda in there and just

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really I Do it all day all day long now to operation

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mockingbird check that shit out Mockingbird they're

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fucking doing hunger game references now Well,

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it's before Hunger Games, but yeah, it's called

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Operation Mockingbird. Infiltrate all the news

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organizations in Hollywood and basically use

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them as propaganda wings for the CIA, U .S. government.

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MK Ultra, yo. MK Ultra, that's promote doing

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stuff. That's pretty fucking wild too. Dude,

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supposedly they tripped Manson out and had him

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all like taught him how to use acid and like

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really get his following and like... That's why

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he would be in and out of jail, like, you know,

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before the murders and shit happened. But they

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basically supposedly trained and, uh, and resulted

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Manson. Oh yeah. They do all kinds of hate. It's

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just crazy though. Yeah. I mean, uh, heroin used

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to be sold on the market by bear aspirin bear

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used to make heroin way back in the day. I think

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this was like, the 1910s or something, and then

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everyone was just sold on the shelf by Bayer,

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and we had a big opium epidemic, and the U .S.

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put a kibosh to that, but how crazy is that?

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Well then, Bayer made all the poison to kill

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the Jews in World War II. Yeah, yeah. Bobby,

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you gotta mute yourself, I'm getting background

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noise over here. Thank you. And I'm sure it sounds

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like all the left students like Bayer now. Wait,

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like what? Like bear. Bear. The company because

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it killed all the, made the poison to kill all

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the Jews in World War II. They were all happy

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with that. Well, dude, this world is just fucked

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up. When Johnson & Johnson baby powder is like

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fucking being produced with asbestos and like,

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you know, you think it's a safe ass product for

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your baby. Like, that's crazy, man. Oh yeah.

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And what if they answered for that dude like

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okay because talc is apparently mine like near

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asbestos and it's hard to separate the two but

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they knew that forever and we're just letting

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us sprinkle this shit on our kids. Oh in most

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cases those companies know that shit they're

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just waiting to get caught and then they pay

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the fine or they pay off the FDA you know what

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it's it's all just a big bunch of money laundering

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or shit happening. I need to I need to get into

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this, man. Like I could be shady and fucking

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criminal like this. Well, first you got to be

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a major huge company. Ah, well, I mean, they

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got it. They had to have started somewhere, man.

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Because if you started a baby powder line in

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your little house, the SBA would come in and

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fucking raid you. And if you had anything in

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there that was like not, you know, any kind of

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ingredients that were harmful to people, you

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would be busted and shut out. See you. Yeah.

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Instantly. Funny how that works. funny how that

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works god damn it a little man always gets screwed

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again dude elon musk is cool as shit dude i mean

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too bad he can't run for president someday because

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he's south african but if i was that dude i would

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go over to south africa and become president

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of that fucking place and then that's a fucking

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problem too right now south africa oh yeah i

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mean i don't know much about what's going on

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but i know there's just a ton of crime over there

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but what are you talking about something specifically

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Although they're sort of a crime, but they're

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also like, I mean, I don't know, I wouldn't say

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justifiably so, but they're completely like anti

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-white now. They've taken over the government

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and now they're like, they're forcing farmers

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out of their land and they're doing all this

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kind of fucked up shit, yeah. I was going to

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say, do they realize like half their population

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is white? Well, they don't care, they're taking

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revenge. Which is fucked up, I agree, but like

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now it's like they're going to, you know, take

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revenge. When do we learn from the past and our

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mistakes man? Like when does education catch

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up to fucking the reality of the times? I don't

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know. It's pretty wild. No one wants to look

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at history to learn lessons. Right. I mean like

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right now I mean if I was planning on having

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a kid I might fucking double check myself and

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be like do I really want to bring a being into

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this crazy -ass fucking world right now where

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you don't know what's up and what's down? I was

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listening to Rogan, and he was talking about

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that. Oh, no, it was Rogan and Elon on the last

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episode. Elon was just talking. They were kind

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of talking about this sentiment. It's like, there's

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always something fucked up happening in the world.

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So it's like for that, for you to sit back and

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say, oh, I don't know if we want to bring kids

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into the world. Because Elon's whole thing is

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like, we need more people because the population

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is starting to crash worldwide. Western countries,

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China, Russia, like all these countries. Their

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demographics are cracking, especially China.

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Right. His thing is like, we're not going to

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have too many people. We're going to have too

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few people in the coming years. Yeah, I've heard

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him say that. And just to me, it doesn't make

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sense. I mean, when I think of natural resources,

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I mean, less is more. But I mean, he's fucking

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way smarter than I am. He's a rocket scientist,

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for Christ sakes. But I mean, I just don't see

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how like he's basically saying everybody go and

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fuck and just reproduce, reproduce, reproduce.

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And that seems a little crazy. You're saying

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it in relation to the fact that populations are

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crashing. Well, don't forget - And we're just

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not seeing it yet. We're just not seeing the

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harmful effects of it yet. You will start to

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see, you know, production go down. People are

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going to get - the population is going to be

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older and older. So they're going to have to

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support those people with fewer and fewer young

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people. Right. To support those people. And you're

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just not seeing the - Right. the hurtful effects

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of it yet. Right. In most cases. Do you think

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Elon just fucking gaslighting us since he's going

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to be on Mars by 2030 and be like fuck the US?

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I mean, yeah, he could be like a super criminal

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if he fucking knows, but. Oh my God, that'd be

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great. He's brilliant, man. I mean, to change

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the shape of your rockets because like you like

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the shape from a movie, you like that's just

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balling. Pointy is scarier. Right. the dictator

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so great yeah that's a great movie man yo sasha

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barron cone that dude is fucking talented dude

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oh my god he's so funny his characters are great

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yo and like when he was doing that the ali g

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show which was before any like of his movies

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like he was fucking he was like in louisiana

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or something fucking calling this redneck a gay

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guy gay dude and the guy was straighter than

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fucking anything gay people and he's like yo

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dude he's like you call me gay again and i will

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fucking snap your neck he's like dude i'm like

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he was dead ass serious i was like this guy's

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not a joke i've never heard any stories if he's

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put to like two four and got beat up yeah i can't

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either man i mean i know further into his career

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there was security and stuff around but in the

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beginning some of the shit he was doing like

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he had Hillary Clinton on the Olly G show. He's

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in interviewing her as like a fucking he's a

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white man pretending to be black He's like my

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man. They was fucking He had a bunch of he got

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a bunch of people on the show. You got Pat Buchanan.

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You got Rand Paul Ron Paul Other people it just

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shows like they don't even fucking oh, I'm just

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going up on a show My handler told me where to

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go, right? Yeah, people write strings. You can

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get someone on the on show, right? Right Let's

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get Hillary Clinton on here. Oh my god I would

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I would I would not want to even be in the same

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room as that evil like I don't Understand how

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people just don't fucking see evil in that bitch

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It's friggin nuts. Yes, didn't she just have

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put out a statement like not too long ago like

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calling Trump Hitler and like, you know Saying

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that all his followers are evil something like

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some along these lines. It's like bitch you fucking

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tried to rig In fact, you did try to, well, you

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rigged the election, you basically, I guess,

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an active candidate and then a sitting president,

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you set up a campaign to, you know, it was completely

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based on lies, to take them out, to discredit

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them. With Obama's blessing, by the way. And

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it's all been proven, but like it's the mainstream

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media doesn't talk about because it's Trump,

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it's okay to hate him. Which and I get him and

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some of Trump's followers are fucking out there

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But are they sure there than this fucking left

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fucking, you know? It's just it's just the left

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is way more vocal than the right at some points

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The right is a little too rambunctious at some

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point. It's like nobody knows how to fucking

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behave anymore both Well, I mean if you go back

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to that KGB guys by design right split everybody

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down on politics and then religion and race skin

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color, like just divide everybody. So then everyone's

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got each other's throats. And then what you get

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is the emergence of four sides of both parties.

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The fucking crazy fringes on both sides, they're

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on both sides. And you have less in the middle

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where you can actually have a civilization that

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communicates and gets along. Right, which is

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probably what most of this United States population

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is is the fucking mill But the little sure left

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and the far right has such a loud voice that

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the middle just like ah We're too busy going

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about our fucking lives and fucking mixed up

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in that then the fucking be barking fucking at

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people on social media and shit But you know,

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that's all you hear is these fuck The people

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yeah loudest voices and they're usually from

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the crazies Things like I nobody gets me mad

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on social media. I'm like, you're probably a

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bot anyway, so Yeah, you know but it's like social

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media has been the bane of fucking humanity for

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a Long time even though we're here on social

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media, but it's like it's just it's it's bad

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Well, I didn't see it getting to this like, you

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know once they started making fucking tiktok

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stars and shit. That's when it's like it just

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shot the crazy. Once they realized you can make

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a living on it and get some fame, it just went

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bananas. Well, I mean, you have these concerted,

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you know, efforts by countries such as China

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to subvert our democracy. And TikTok is a great

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example of that, in that it is a full -on Chinese

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government instrument. And they make people popular

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on there for a reason, because more and more

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people get on there and watch it, and more and

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more people get on there trying to be popular.

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Right, but they're all being you know fed all

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their information is going to China going to

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the Chinese government anybody that's on TikTok

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You are a fucking known asset to the Chinese

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basically And not that the NSA is you know, not

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wanting everything we do But uh, yeah, it's pretty

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it's wild fucking times man. Oh, there he is

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from space Jimmy Lange I don't hear you my man.

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Do you have audio? You're muted. You got the

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Death Star in your background. We can no hear

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you, Jimmy. We can see you, we no hear. I don't

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know what accent I just did. That's my something.

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Hello. Hello. Sometimes down by the mute button,

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there's a little difficulties. Yeah, there's

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like an up arrow and you could click. where your

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audio supply is coming from. Sometimes that helps.

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But in the meantime, maybe he's coming back in.

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I don't know. We've lost control of the show

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this early, Mr. Gracie. What happens here? You

00:16:03.830 --> 00:16:06.149
need to break out your bongos and get in your

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skivvies and just play them on here. On the unplugged

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you played a drum set, but there was a couple

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like, you know, k -rock uh acoustic christmas

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and stuff where it was like you were on uh bongos

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and it was just like ed on a guitar doing like

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some cool ass songs like top or something you

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remember yeah bongos or congos yeah we we did

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a whole i mean like fermental jewelry honestly

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you can't still can't hear it what the hell's

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going on oh jimmy we can't hear it fermental

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jewelry did a whole lot of uh whole lot of uh

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acoustic stuff like all right is that better

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oh there it is perfect Sorry. I had a Bluetooth

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headset. I won't finish with a mission. Ah, yes,

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I can see that. And you destroyed it. It hasn't

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been blown up yet. It's on a timer. You know

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why those Bluetooth headphones were not working?

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Because they're not by Apple. They're not by

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Apple. That's my excuse for everything. It doesn't

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work. You should get Apple's product. Basically.

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All right, so Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy welcome back

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dude part two for Jimmy Lang You're there our

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first guest who had a part two Well -received

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episode last week, of course, everybody loves

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the old me lying I believe it or not. I remember

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where we were kind of leaving off With a little

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was it Neil Young and you and Ed Kowalczyk at

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a lunch. Oh That's right like that this story

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Alright, I guess I can start I can start there

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Maybe work away backwards or some things that

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I've forgotten about Go wherever you want Jimmy

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because I've had a boner for that story, but

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I really don't care All right, so Okay, I guess

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we start there. Um, I think one of the one of

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the I mean one of the side benefits of Being

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friends with rock stars. I guess is maybe getting

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a chance to meet famous people. I mean I'm meta

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I met a lot of famous people. Famous to me. I'm

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not very familiar with them. So I remember back

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in the day when Ed was living in L .A. at the

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time up in Hollywood Hills where all the movie

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stars and famous people live. And I used to go

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to his house and he had this really nice place

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called Casa de Lila up in the hills. Right off

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of Gower Street, I got a question He had the

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he wanted to build a website It's called a Casa

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de Lila calm It was the name of his house. Actually

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the house was called Casa de Lila a really nice

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house is up in the hills on I think I think the

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drummer for One of the old drummers for kiss

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No, it was Matt Sorum. Matt Sorum owned it. Oh,

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was it Matt Sorum? Somebody was living up there.

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So I remember I went up there to visit them and

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I bought like a computer with them and I built

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like this. Audio's gone. Oh. Maybe your Bluetooth

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speakers went on. I can hear them. Oh, you can

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hear me? You know, maybe the headset. Chad, is

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this how she's talking about? Is this where...

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John, hold on. Hold on a minute. I can hear Jimmy.

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You can't hear him? No. Oh, I can hear fine.

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Oh, okay. Okay. Got you back now Jimbo. Oh, okay.

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So you can hear my audio. Yes. I guess it was

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me. Yeah. So, uh, I, uh, he had me come up there.

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He wanted to build a website about, um, something

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about, uh, bringing peace to the world. You know

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how it is. He wrote me is that it's the 17 year

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old in me, Jimmy. I want to build a website.

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So I went up there about a computer with me and

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I like built a built a built a server for him

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at his house and then we set up this website

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and then I remember uh had about had a bunch

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of uh uh alex gray paintings in his in his place

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um I remember Chad you and I think you and Ed

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went down to La Jolla on one of the years and

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you played like a you played like a gig for ask

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Alex Gray and It was either his gallery or a

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gallery that yeah, it was like a museum of Arts

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or something. Right? Yes. That was pretty cool

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I mean, I'm not a super huge fan of his artwork,

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but I think they're kind of neat to be honest

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So yeah, it was a it was a huge fan and I remember

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he had he had he had the big paintings in his

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house Wow, that's pretty crazy So sometime during

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our meeting, I don't know, he got kind of hungry.

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He's like, hey, let's go get lunch. So we hop

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in his car and he's driving a Mercedes, like

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an S 500 at that time. Really, really sporty.

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It's all black. I remember we got in a car and

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we're going down the hill in Hollywood. And okay,

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so crazy story. I'm not even making this up,

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but. um he turned on the radio and like halfway

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down the hill from hollywood um lightning crashes

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comes on the radio and i was thinking to myself

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okay i wonder what he's going to do he's either

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gonna change change the station because i mean

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i don't want to hear my own songs or i don't

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know maybe he'll turn it up and start singing

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or so i was waiting for him i was thinking man

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i'd probably change the station because he's

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probably he's pretty tired of that right so no

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he actually reached over he turned up the volume

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and he starts singing in the car with the bomb

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and i was like okay that's pretty crazy um and

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uh right when we got to the bottom of the hill

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uh he was explaining to me like uh hey this is

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the street where um return left to go down to

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vine street and of course that's from that's

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the lyrics from the songs it's it's uh actually

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uh he was showing me uh yeah he used to come

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down here and i was be late so this is where

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i wrote the song this is from this lyrics and

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it's kind of cool like just hearing them talk

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about okay this is where that's where that came

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from and this is the exact place where it happened

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was right here where he turned left to get down

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to hollywood hill we're into vine street gets

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you every time every time it comes out of my

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car and i'm driving like motherfucker and then

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i'm like oh shit it's such a real siren in the

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start of that Yeah, so that was pretty crazy

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and he ended up going to like this super fancy

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place down in Hollywood. And so we go in, he

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parks the car, we go in and we got this really

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cool table. I don't remember what kind of food

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it was and I'll explain to you why I can't remember

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because about maybe 10 minutes after we had arrived

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and sat down, a big limo pops up from out of

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nowhere. And his huge entourage of people must

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have been like maybe like 10 10 people come out

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of the car Some of them look like bodyguards.

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Some of them look like, you know, just really

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dressed up fancy people living in hollywood at

00:23:10.309 --> 00:23:17.990
the time and um, as we say body style that type

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of bodyguard or yeah, yeah, so Um, I I swear

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as I okay, here's the guy stepping out of the

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car. What is going on here? Why is all these

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people there? So Ed and I were watching and this

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guy pops up and he's got these huge, you know,

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he's got the whole full on sideburns going on.

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So totally recognizable. I could recognize those

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sideburns from, you know, all the way. And so

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Neil Young comes into the restaurant and they're

00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:43.359
looking around and couldn't find a table. But

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there was an empty table, like literally right

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next to us. So he comes over and he sits down

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at the table right next to us. And I was just

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like, no, this is kind of surreal. It can't really

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be happening. I mean, that's literally Neil Young,

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like 10 feet away from me. And I was looking

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over at Ed and he was looking at me and was like,

00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:02.759
is that who I think it is? And I was like, yeah,

00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:04.680
shit, that's Neil Young. I mean, who else has

00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:07.279
sideburns like that? And we're just like, I don't

00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:10.200
even remember where we ordered or what. I was

00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:12.480
just like fascinated. I was like, holy shit.

00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:15.440
And all I could think of was like, man, what

00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:18.339
if I, I'll never see this, I'll never get this

00:24:18.339 --> 00:24:20.779
opportunity again, 10 feet away. What if I just

00:24:20.779 --> 00:24:24.839
walk over and say, hey Neil, so do you mind if

00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:27.680
I get a selfie? I'm sure he'd probably say no,

00:24:27.980 --> 00:24:29.819
and then I'd probably be like, you know, do you

00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:33.940
want a selfie with me? I mean, I was just like,

00:24:34.700 --> 00:24:38.220
Ed and I just kept looking at each other and

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Ed was like, we should call Taylor because he's

00:24:41.819 --> 00:24:44.180
a huge fan. And I was like, yeah, he'll be really

00:24:44.180 --> 00:24:47.400
upset. And so, I mean, the whole time, I mean,

00:24:47.460 --> 00:24:49.640
the whole time we're there, I don't even remember

00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:52.539
eating. I hope he didn't realize that we're just

00:24:52.539 --> 00:24:55.460
staring at him. I was really starstruck. It was

00:24:55.460 --> 00:24:57.259
one of the few times in my life that I had been

00:24:57.259 --> 00:24:59.059
really starstruck. 10 feet away from Neil Young.

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I could have just reached over and tapped him

00:25:00.940 --> 00:25:04.599
on the shoulder. That's crazy. And then so after

00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:07.220
the whole event, we're like, man, we should tell

00:25:07.220 --> 00:25:10.099
somebody about this. And Ed goes, no, let's not.

00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:12.039
Let's just tell everybody that we had lunch with

00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:14.039
Neil Young, because that's exactly what happened.

00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:17.819
There you go. Yeah, we never. I don't know what

00:25:17.819 --> 00:25:19.839
he told anybody. We never never called Taylor.

00:25:19.940 --> 00:25:21.460
I never called any of my friends. I never told

00:25:21.460 --> 00:25:24.059
anybody. Yeah, man. You just won't believe it.

00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:27.839
So, uh, you had luck with Neil Young. Just yeah,

00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:30.220
just I mean, it was crazy. I mean, the guy's

00:25:30.220 --> 00:25:33.799
a friggin he's an icon. So whoever he goes. Did

00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:36.359
Taylor at one point grow the same chops as Neil

00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.759
Young? I feel like I remember Chad with those

00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:41.119
fucking chops like Neil Young. Maybe something

00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:44.970
close. I only thought of that because Jimmy was

00:25:44.970 --> 00:25:46.369
like, you know, Chad Tate was a big fan. I'm

00:25:46.369 --> 00:25:48.430
like, wait, didn't he sometimes have those big

00:25:48.430 --> 00:25:51.509
fucking choppers on the side? But I'm sure Neil

00:25:51.509 --> 00:25:52.950
Young gets that all the time where he goes out

00:25:52.950 --> 00:25:54.509
and just everybody stares at him. He's so fucking

00:25:54.509 --> 00:25:56.730
iconic. So he probably is used to it with you

00:25:56.730 --> 00:25:59.009
guys were Googling at him. But I can't believe

00:25:59.009 --> 00:26:01.289
you or Ed, like if I was Ed, I would have been

00:26:01.289 --> 00:26:04.910
like, dude, just fucking it's a cool just to

00:26:04.910 --> 00:26:08.089
be in like your presence, man. And kind of. I

00:26:08.089 --> 00:26:11.990
mean, part of me wanted to. But I'm sure he probably

00:26:11.990 --> 00:26:14.170
gets out a lot and he'll probably just get really

00:26:14.170 --> 00:26:16.569
annoyed at us and I'll have one of those security

00:26:16.569 --> 00:26:18.950
guards escort me out of the building as a security

00:26:18.950 --> 00:26:22.130
risk or something. I'm gonna say that Neil Young

00:26:22.130 --> 00:26:24.829
would know who Ed Kowalczyk in live is because

00:26:24.829 --> 00:26:26.910
he's such a big Pearl Jam fan that I feel like

00:26:26.910 --> 00:26:30.630
he would have been like, dude, like, yeah. I

00:26:30.630 --> 00:26:33.710
know Billy Corgan knows who Ed is. One time we

00:26:33.710 --> 00:26:35.569
were, I think the band was playing in Chicago

00:26:35.569 --> 00:26:38.660
and after one of the shows we I don't know, we

00:26:38.660 --> 00:26:41.900
ended up in some really weird, like a weird club.

00:26:42.019 --> 00:26:45.759
It was kind of super dark. There were instead

00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:48.299
of tables, they had beds. So there were beds

00:26:48.299 --> 00:26:49.880
everywhere where tables were and people would

00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.759
sit on the beds. And, you know, I guess if you

00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:54.680
want to lean back or whatever, you could. And

00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.640
there's white curtains everywhere and just crazy.

00:26:57.819 --> 00:27:01.640
I don't know how. Is this a brothel, sir? No,

00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:04.700
I don't know. It could have been. But no, it

00:27:04.700 --> 00:27:06.799
wasn't. But it's just one of those like, I don't

00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:08.740
know. I guess they they thought it was really

00:27:08.740 --> 00:27:10.799
cool back in the day. Let's have a club like

00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.440
this and and we're in there and um, I remember

00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:16.000
billy corking was there and Him and ed were talking

00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.400
a little bit and um, how cool uh, he seemed like

00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:22.799
a really nice guy, uh He seemed real like I would

00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:24.400
have liked to challenge him to a rush trivia

00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:29.000
contest billy corking there you go but uh He

00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.420
was super nice super nice ed He seemed like a

00:27:32.420 --> 00:27:34.279
really nice guy and I think at the end he just

00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:41.329
kind of like tipped his hat to ed um guys right

00:27:41.329 --> 00:27:47.809
and they look nothing alike yeah i mean uh oh

00:27:47.809 --> 00:27:51.269
but but uh for billy corrigan to uh be hanging

00:27:51.269 --> 00:27:52.630
out with ed that's a cool did you get any pictures

00:27:52.630 --> 00:27:55.789
of that jimbo no i think he was just at the show

00:27:55.789 --> 00:27:57.289
or something i don't know how we ended up at

00:27:57.289 --> 00:27:59.049
the same place it was chicago i mean that's his

00:27:59.049 --> 00:28:02.630
hometown so there's a mutual kind of queens in

00:28:02.630 --> 00:28:05.049
there that's a guy named tommy lipnick who was

00:28:05.049 --> 00:28:08.000
you know good friends with billy corgan and he

00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.440
he would hang out with tommy when we go to chicago

00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:12.960
he was like mr chicago at the time back in the

00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:17.180
90s and 2000s so he knew everybody all the he

00:28:17.180 --> 00:28:18.660
knew all the celebrities that would go through

00:28:18.660 --> 00:28:20.359
town all the rock stars and he would connect

00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:23.700
them with billy here like you know anyway so

00:28:23.700 --> 00:28:26.680
tommy litpick was probably was hanging around

00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.440
there somewhere wasn't billy corgan banging corny

00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:33.250
love at some point And then Ed was there and

00:28:33.250 --> 00:28:35.529
they were doing a threesome, spread it, I've

00:28:35.529 --> 00:28:39.910
heard it. Courtney Love was making her rounds

00:28:39.910 --> 00:28:44.029
around all the lead singers. Looking for somebody

00:28:44.029 --> 00:28:46.789
to write her music, you know that's right. I

00:28:46.789 --> 00:28:50.950
also met, speaking of famous people, I also met

00:28:50.950 --> 00:28:56.490
Slash back in the day. Ed played a gig, just

00:28:56.490 --> 00:29:00.859
solo, it's called Peace on the Beach. I think

00:29:00.859 --> 00:29:03.339
it was protesting the iraq war or something uh

00:29:03.339 --> 00:29:06.559
and uh slash was there and uh him and ed um,

00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:08.960
you know, I remember uh It was ed mcgracy showed

00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:10.920
up and then they set up they set up and then

00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:13.140
slash showed up And they played like imagine.

00:29:13.660 --> 00:29:15.819
Um, right. I do I do have photos of that somewhere

00:29:15.819 --> 00:29:18.220
We share a birthday slash and I were like 23rd

00:29:18.220 --> 00:29:20.720
both of us. Oh, I didn't know that Same year

00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.220
different years different year. I think he's

00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:26.579
a little maybe a year older than me Oh wow dude,

00:29:26.740 --> 00:29:28.140
then you look great for your age because he looks

00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:31.619
like he's got one foot in the grave. Wow, listen,

00:29:32.059 --> 00:29:34.039
Slash is partying a lot harder than I am. A lot

00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.680
harder, yeah. But I would have pegged his ass

00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.279
about 10 years older than you for sure. I don't

00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.519
know Bobby, look up Slash's age. I don't think

00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:45.240
he's 10 years old. Yeah, get on it. Bobby, you

00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:48.960
should get in with the news. Sorry, I digress.

00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:50.460
That's a pretty cool meeting, you know, with

00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:52.779
Slash and... Just seen him play imagine with

00:29:52.779 --> 00:29:56.019
Ed right there on the beach. I think I even uploaded

00:29:56.019 --> 00:29:59.900
a video clip of it. Well To the friends of life

00:29:59.900 --> 00:30:02.519
website bus down the big guitar solo the helicopter

00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:11.039
view It's pretty fun pretty funny here we go

00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:16.700
is 58 65 He's six years older than me. Yeah,

00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:21.230
and he looks fucking 12 years I mean, I don't

00:30:21.230 --> 00:30:23.509
know. He still looks good for 58. Come on, man.

00:30:23.809 --> 00:30:27.089
Dude, if you get close to that face, man, he's

00:30:27.089 --> 00:30:30.170
got makeup. That's a picture on stage when he's

00:30:30.170 --> 00:30:32.750
like fucking rocking out. That's a bad picture.

00:30:33.349 --> 00:30:35.210
Don't you stick up for him like that. Look at

00:30:35.210 --> 00:30:39.589
that. He's still in good shape. He looks, I say

00:30:39.589 --> 00:30:42.250
Slash looks great there. He's just in a weird

00:30:42.250 --> 00:30:46.930
pose. I saw him for sure. I think he's got I

00:30:46.930 --> 00:30:48.890
think he's got problems with his hands. Um, like

00:30:48.890 --> 00:30:51.670
really bad arthritis where it's always like stuck

00:30:51.670 --> 00:30:55.289
in a really weird position hands is what I heard

00:30:55.289 --> 00:30:57.609
that's what happened to mick uh was it mick mars

00:30:57.609 --> 00:31:02.650
from from uh molly crew he has some disease like

00:31:02.650 --> 00:31:04.970
basically folding his spine over like it fuses

00:31:04.970 --> 00:31:08.529
the bone his vertebrae and he's oh wow health

00:31:08.529 --> 00:31:11.029
problems but then they kind of like they kind

00:31:11.029 --> 00:31:13.329
of just like left kicked him out of the band

00:31:13.329 --> 00:31:17.339
and continued to toward he's pissed Geez, it's

00:31:17.339 --> 00:31:19.559
amazing how they could just do that nowadays.

00:31:21.299 --> 00:31:28.500
It happens. Yeah Let me see if I can think of

00:31:28.500 --> 00:31:31.160
some stories for it, you know and and I've used

00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:35.240
to hang out a lot after after shows and after

00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:38.839
gigs I think of all the people would probably

00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:43.660
stay up the latest late. So What I mean we would

00:31:43.660 --> 00:31:46.299
end up in pieces like one time we were playing

00:31:46.299 --> 00:31:50.500
like Alabama or something and he'd go to him

00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:54.299
and I we go to like a club or bar and he'd come

00:31:54.299 --> 00:31:56.099
in there and every after the show and like you

00:31:56.099 --> 00:31:58.480
know live fans in there is like so he'd go to

00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.400
the jukebox he'd actually put live on the jukebox

00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.740
nice for all the fans to listen to and he'd buy

00:32:04.740 --> 00:32:08.339
drinks and stuff hell yeah whereas one one time

00:32:08.339 --> 00:32:12.779
I think was a New Year's Eve we went to um we

00:32:12.779 --> 00:32:16.130
went We went to some fan's house. Like after

00:32:16.130 --> 00:32:18.410
the show, I think Ed was just like, hey, is there

00:32:18.410 --> 00:32:20.589
any parties around? And some fans just said,

00:32:20.630 --> 00:32:22.190
oh yeah, I'm throwing a huge party at my house.

00:32:22.430 --> 00:32:25.589
You want to go? And he was just, yeah, sure,

00:32:25.670 --> 00:32:30.029
let's do it. And we'd go to this random fan's

00:32:30.029 --> 00:32:32.289
house and by the end of the night, people would

00:32:32.289 --> 00:32:36.970
pass out on the couch. Damn, dude. We'd be playing

00:32:36.970 --> 00:32:40.250
pool. He'd be playing pool with people. I mean,

00:32:40.430 --> 00:32:43.990
I don't know is this almost random things that

00:32:43.990 --> 00:32:46.650
you wouldn't think like People would do but yeah,

00:32:46.730 --> 00:32:49.630
he he'd go and like fans meet up with fans after

00:32:49.630 --> 00:32:53.329
the show houses That's so I always thought that

00:32:53.329 --> 00:32:56.670
was really that was a really cool. I mean, I

00:32:56.670 --> 00:32:59.630
know it gets a lot of shit sometimes but people

00:32:59.630 --> 00:33:04.950
I have to say he's a One of my when he's a good

00:33:04.950 --> 00:33:08.240
guy cuz I remember way back in like around 2000

00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:11.319
or something. I was in a really, I was in a long

00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:13.099
relationship with somebody and we'd just broken

00:33:13.099 --> 00:33:16.039
up. And I was just, you know, if anybody's in

00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:17.940
a really long relationship and get broken up

00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:19.900
or whatever, you know, you're just kind of crushed

00:33:19.900 --> 00:33:21.259
for a while. You don't know what the hell you're

00:33:21.259 --> 00:33:23.700
doing and your mind's all in all kinds of different

00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:26.440
places. And I remember one time I was at work

00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:30.359
right after this. And so I got a phone call and

00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.839
Ed calls me and I'm like, why the hell would

00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:34.339
he call me? Like, I haven't talked to him in

00:33:34.339 --> 00:33:37.410
a while because it's on tour. Um, and I remember

00:33:37.410 --> 00:33:39.849
I walked out outside the building and uh, yeah,

00:33:39.869 --> 00:33:41.470
he was just he literally he would just call me

00:33:41.470 --> 00:33:44.509
and say hey Listen, man. I'm I heard I heard

00:33:44.509 --> 00:33:46.430
you had a really bad breakup. I was calling to

00:33:46.430 --> 00:33:48.109
make sure you're okay You know, I was just checking

00:33:48.109 --> 00:33:51.069
up on you and uh, I always remember that I was

00:33:51.069 --> 00:33:53.569
like, yeah, that's You know, he's uh, I think

00:33:53.569 --> 00:33:57.410
at that time he was uh Either he he was dating

00:33:57.410 --> 00:34:00.250
somebody. Um, this girl beth and uh, suddenly

00:34:00.250 --> 00:34:02.029
tammy I think he was he was going out with her

00:34:02.029 --> 00:34:05.190
for a while Oh, so wait, I felt like Ed was married

00:34:05.190 --> 00:34:07.710
since like day one. So Ed Kowalczyk was single

00:34:07.710 --> 00:34:10.610
and fucking ready to mingle for a while. Oh,

00:34:10.630 --> 00:34:13.429
yes. He was single. He was single. He was dating

00:34:13.429 --> 00:34:18.550
a girl. We got married I think in 96 or 97, somewhere

00:34:18.550 --> 00:34:21.090
in there. Right around when the guy broke out.

00:34:21.550 --> 00:34:23.409
Really big. He was dating her for a while and

00:34:23.409 --> 00:34:24.869
he was just calling me and saying, hey, man,

00:34:24.909 --> 00:34:26.750
shit happens, you know, and you get a hang there.

00:34:27.349 --> 00:34:29.869
So I always thought that was really, you know,

00:34:30.150 --> 00:34:32.889
he does get a lot of shit sometimes, but. I always

00:34:32.889 --> 00:34:35.949
remember the nice side of Ed, and he's done some

00:34:35.949 --> 00:34:41.769
really nice things. He's also into photography

00:34:41.769 --> 00:34:45.789
at one time. I think throwing a copy or a secret

00:34:45.789 --> 00:34:47.570
monitor, he'd always be running around with his

00:34:47.570 --> 00:34:49.650
Nikon camera, and so him and I would talk photography.

00:34:51.369 --> 00:34:54.550
And I remember I was shooting some slides, and

00:34:54.550 --> 00:34:57.090
he'd be like, hey, can you develop those slides?

00:34:57.610 --> 00:34:59.150
Come on by my place. I want to see what they

00:34:59.150 --> 00:35:01.849
look like and when I visit them, I'd like bring

00:35:01.849 --> 00:35:05.150
I had a little handheld slide a handheld slide

00:35:05.150 --> 00:35:09.110
viewer and It was just like, you know him and

00:35:09.110 --> 00:35:10.489
I were like and looking all these live photos

00:35:10.489 --> 00:35:12.730
on his little tiny little screens like two inch

00:35:12.730 --> 00:35:16.750
by two inch and um, So that christmas I I get

00:35:16.750 --> 00:35:19.469
a package in the mail A big box and it's like

00:35:19.469 --> 00:35:21.769
from ed He sent me some shit for christmas. What

00:35:21.769 --> 00:35:23.710
the hell could this be and I opened it up and

00:35:23.710 --> 00:35:26.989
he bought me a kodak slide like one of those

00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.719
Kodak slide machines where you put in all your

00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:31.760
200 slides and you know you you gather around

00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:33.760
for Thanksgiving or whatever and you do the slide

00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:36.179
shows So he actually bought me a really nice

00:35:36.179 --> 00:35:39.179
slide. Wow, which was really nice of him and

00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:43.619
he sent me Christmas cards and Yeah, that's good

00:35:43.619 --> 00:35:47.300
good time Yeah, I mean after I think after a

00:35:47.300 --> 00:35:48.940
while he just kind of got tired of the whole

00:35:48.940 --> 00:35:51.780
Hollywood scene and Move the oh hi thing after

00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:54.079
that or something. Well, cuz he's still not a

00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.539
fake person and Hollywood is fake as fuck I'm

00:35:56.539 --> 00:35:59.940
sure it was like a luring at first like you guys

00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:05.380
suck. So I Mean his time in Hollywood was kind

00:36:05.380 --> 00:36:10.739
of interesting too. Cuz I'm with that house you

00:36:10.739 --> 00:36:12.619
were talking about in Hollywood Was that this

00:36:12.619 --> 00:36:15.340
is that songs from Black Mountain that that house?

00:36:17.969 --> 00:36:20.690
That's when he was living in Ohio, when that

00:36:20.690 --> 00:36:25.969
record was written. Yeah, and the thing about

00:36:25.969 --> 00:36:28.170
back in Hollywood, when he was living in Hollywood

00:36:28.170 --> 00:36:31.750
those few years, another life tidbit was Chris

00:36:31.750 --> 00:36:36.590
Shin. He also was in Hollywood. And I mean, Ed

00:36:36.590 --> 00:36:37.909
and Chris used to hang out like all the time,

00:36:38.309 --> 00:36:41.690
like every week or every other week. Oh wow.

00:36:42.090 --> 00:36:45.130
So they were really, this is before the breakup

00:36:45.130 --> 00:36:48.199
and then before Chris. came to live as a singer.

00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.800
But yeah, I remember Chris and Ed, they used

00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.579
to hang out quite a bit. And even Chris, I mean,

00:36:54.659 --> 00:36:57.059
he used to, Chris has been in a whole bunch of

00:36:57.059 --> 00:37:01.679
different like musical projects. Yeah. So I mean,

00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:03.880
there was a place on Melrose, it's called the

00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:09.059
gig, the gig on Melrose. And he'd always play

00:37:09.059 --> 00:37:12.340
shows there. So I remember I'd always go up there

00:37:12.340 --> 00:37:14.500
and like, check out his little projects that

00:37:14.500 --> 00:37:18.800
he'd have like every Everything was a move is

00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:22.300
a verb move is a verb Everything is energy. I

00:37:22.300 --> 00:37:24.440
had a whole bunch of stuff It was kind of cool

00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:26.599
too because he played a sometimes he played with

00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:28.980
you know, Christopher Thorne and Brad Smith.

00:37:28.980 --> 00:37:32.840
Oh, yeah The guys the guys from blind melon later

00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:37.039
than unified theory. So that whole that whole

00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.860
that whole time frame Christopher Thorne was

00:37:40.860 --> 00:37:43.519
around a lot and Brad Smith. Also, those guys

00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.190
had a lot of music projects, too One of my favorites

00:37:46.190 --> 00:37:49.309
is this one called halo. Halo complex was a band

00:37:49.309 --> 00:37:51.829
that was a product that they played in They used

00:37:51.829 --> 00:37:54.090
to play a lot in the Hollywood area all the time

00:37:54.090 --> 00:37:58.510
said I'd go see them and It was right. I think

00:37:58.510 --> 00:38:01.429
it's right before unified theory. So unified

00:38:01.429 --> 00:38:06.969
theory in in 97 Was the Secret Smiley tour so

00:38:06.969 --> 00:38:10.630
they you know, they got to open up for a whole

00:38:10.630 --> 00:38:13.780
bunch of Whole bunch of shows. No, they opened

00:38:13.780 --> 00:38:17.019
up for in 99 with a county crows, you know type

00:38:17.019 --> 00:38:23.940
theory. Yeah Yeah, I'm not I was a good I remember

00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:25.679
that was my first time meeting them meeting all

00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.639
those guys like Christian and Brad Smith and

00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:30.900
Christopher Thorne and all this was on the secrets

00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:35.599
mighty tour They played a Specifically, I remember

00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.519
they played like the Gorge in in Washington The

00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.219
other great thing about hanging around live over

00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:43.280
the years, I get to see so many really cool venues.

00:38:43.579 --> 00:38:45.579
One of my favorite venues is The Gorge in Washington.

00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:51.039
I really like Red Rocks. I don't know, Chad,

00:38:51.539 --> 00:38:54.079
those are some pretty cool venues. Those are

00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:56.000
the most beautiful venues in the world, for sure.

00:38:56.559 --> 00:39:00.960
Yeah. The Gorge, that was literally a huge stage

00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.760
over this huge gorge canyon. It's super beautiful.

00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:08.590
I actually have some video of One of these days

00:39:08.590 --> 00:39:11.630
when I unpack all my boxes and shit, I actually

00:39:11.630 --> 00:39:16.170
have videos from the 97 show with Unified Theory

00:39:16.170 --> 00:39:19.170
at the Gorge. Yes. That's really cool. Also,

00:39:19.190 --> 00:39:21.670
I think, Chad, I think you went that little canyon.

00:39:22.349 --> 00:39:24.090
I believe you went hiking down there or something,

00:39:24.170 --> 00:39:28.070
found like some golf balls and some skull skeleton

00:39:28.070 --> 00:39:30.210
skull. Yeah, I did hike down in there, but you

00:39:30.210 --> 00:39:32.849
can also like whack these eco -friendly golf

00:39:32.849 --> 00:39:35.510
balls off the side. Yes. Eco -friendly golf balls.

00:39:35.530 --> 00:39:39.619
Yeah. I suppose the guys like eco -friendly golf

00:39:39.619 --> 00:39:41.639
balls get out of here. Oh, they're so small and

00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.599
you know, they're fire degradable But uh, that

00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:46.940
was uh, that was good Those are those are really

00:39:46.940 --> 00:39:49.900
good shows that that secret samadhi show at the

00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:52.260
gorges. That's probably one of my favorites Um,

00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:54.300
that was I think maybe one of the very first

00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:57.099
times where ed during like white discussion In

00:39:57.099 --> 00:39:58.420
the middle of white discussion like he would

00:39:58.420 --> 00:40:01.099
disappear Yeah, I go off the stage and the rest

00:40:01.099 --> 00:40:02.900
of the band is going crazy playing white discussion

00:40:02.900 --> 00:40:07.079
and ed would like throw on his feather boa He's

00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.420
got a purple fella bow and he like he start running

00:40:10.420 --> 00:40:13.099
out full speed at the crowd like all crazy -eyed

00:40:13.099 --> 00:40:15.880
and like just going nuts during that song. So

00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:19.219
um, yeah, I have a lot of footage of that. Uh,

00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.039
one of these days. Well, I have to digitize them

00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:24.699
and Dude, you totally have that purple boa fucking

00:40:24.699 --> 00:40:27.380
shit was awesome, man. I remember yeah for like

00:40:27.380 --> 00:40:29.400
a couple minutes off stage. This guy's crazy

00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:32.860
Yeah, just came running out fucking eyes wide.

00:40:32.860 --> 00:40:36.659
That was dope Yeah, that was pretty cool That's

00:40:36.659 --> 00:40:38.039
definitely one of my one of my favorite tours.

00:40:38.139 --> 00:40:40.840
I've been to so many shows, but I really like

00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.000
the old Secret Samadhi Days Those are those are

00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:46.260
those are really good shows for you living on

00:40:46.260 --> 00:40:48.039
at the time. Were you because you seem to be

00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:51.000
in Cali? I wasn't uh, I've always been in California.

00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.780
Ah, that's your son son. Call me call me, California

00:40:54.780 --> 00:41:00.619
But uh Yeah, I've seen a lot of good bands on

00:41:00.619 --> 00:41:02.239
it. Love Spit Love was one of my favorite. Love

00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:04.159
Spit Love was on, I think at the time they were

00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:06.380
on Maverick Records, which was the same label

00:41:06.380 --> 00:41:09.139
as Candle Boxes, which is of course Kevin Martin.

00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:15.420
Really, I got a chance to like really, also that

00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:18.000
tour was the first time I met Kevin Martin was

00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.179
on Secret Samadhi. So he went to see, he went

00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:23.719
to see live at when they played Seattle. Was

00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:26.179
that the Moore Theater? And I remember he was

00:41:26.179 --> 00:41:28.699
backstage like, oh shit, that's, you know, that's

00:41:28.699 --> 00:41:30.280
Kevin Martin from Canada Box. That's fucking

00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.039
great. That was the first time I ever met him

00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:37.800
was back in 97. So he was at the live show when

00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.500
they played Seattle and being from that area.

00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:42.699
Was he nice to you, Jimmy? Was he a cool guy?

00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:47.719
Oh yeah. He's always super nice. And he'll, you

00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:50.699
know, he'll talk to you about anything. He's

00:41:50.699 --> 00:41:55.070
a very... If anybody ever gets a chance to speak

00:41:55.070 --> 00:41:57.389
with a man, he's a super cool guy. He'll talk

00:41:57.389 --> 00:42:00.650
about any topic. He seems really well versed.

00:42:01.130 --> 00:42:06.170
I first thought Kevin when he was with Candlebox

00:42:06.170 --> 00:42:11.949
in 94 actually so in 94 some Madonna Madonna

00:42:11.949 --> 00:42:14.650
had her first record label was Maverick Records

00:42:14.650 --> 00:42:16.769
and that was the very first band that they signed

00:42:16.769 --> 00:42:20.969
was a Candlebox on Maverick Records and so in

00:42:20.969 --> 00:42:24.820
94 If you recall from my earlier conversations

00:42:24.820 --> 00:42:27.139
Neil being a Neil from rush being a huge fan

00:42:27.139 --> 00:42:30.739
of music He he he really wanted candle box to

00:42:30.739 --> 00:42:33.500
open up on the door So he got them to open up

00:42:33.500 --> 00:42:35.440
he got candle box to open up for rush on the

00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.139
94 is a counterparts tour And so that was my

00:42:38.139 --> 00:42:40.860
very first time seeing can box. I saw them us.

00:42:40.860 --> 00:42:44.179
I saw some 17 times in that door Damn, there

00:42:44.179 --> 00:42:47.079
were there were opening band, but it was it was

00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:48.900
really cool to see though I mean, I think the

00:42:48.900 --> 00:42:51.239
guitar said timing play like little things like

00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:52.900
four by night by rush and then get the crowd

00:42:52.900 --> 00:42:55.400
all crazy and then and then i'm i mean then kevin

00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:57.760
would just be like no no no we're not doing that

00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:00.820
but yeah i saw that was the my first exposure

00:43:00.820 --> 00:43:03.480
to candle boxes and they're freaking great and

00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:06.639
that first album is just man that first candle

00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:10.159
box album is classic dude that album is killer

00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:14.159
man but yeah kevin kevin and candlebox is really

00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.260
uh yeah i love those guys and of course later

00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:18.139
you know kevin with the gracious the gracious

00:43:18.139 --> 00:43:22.239
few um yeah was another amazing, amazing run.

00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:27.880
Just an awesome front man. Awesome man. I think

00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:31.099
one time, on one of my anniversaries, I don't

00:43:31.099 --> 00:43:32.719
know if you know about this chat, but he's so

00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:35.119
cool that, Kevin, if you're listening, thanks

00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:38.659
buddy. But anyways, he actually stopped the Candlebox

00:43:38.659 --> 00:43:40.039
show right in the middle of the Candlebox show

00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:42.800
and he wished my wife and I a happy anniversary.

00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:48.039
He's just that kind of guy. He's just a really,

00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:51.960
really cool guy. I miss Kevin, but uh, yeah,

00:43:52.059 --> 00:43:54.199
that's the the gracious feud tours man. That

00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:58.440
was uh, that was pretty freaking amazing To what

00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:01.159
a great line up. I mean, yeah, good That's like

00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:03.739
a superstar musician line up right there like

00:44:03.739 --> 00:44:05.460
the fucking traveling little bit. Is there some

00:44:05.460 --> 00:44:09.099
shit? I I think the one time uh, the one gracious

00:44:09.099 --> 00:44:11.909
few shows that I saw Well, actually, it was the

00:44:11.909 --> 00:44:15.070
gracious few live and candle box all in one show.

00:44:15.070 --> 00:44:23.269
It was at South by Southwest fuck I flew out

00:44:23.269 --> 00:44:25.590
for South by Southwest and went to see the show

00:44:25.590 --> 00:44:28.829
saying Wow whenever am I gonna see like live

00:44:28.829 --> 00:44:33.269
and Candle box and And you know and the gracious

00:44:33.269 --> 00:44:35.730
few all in one all in one state, right? It was

00:44:35.730 --> 00:44:38.699
crazy. I mean I feel really bad for I felt really

00:44:38.699 --> 00:44:41.780
bad for Sean, who's playing guitar. Because,

00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.260
I mean, everybody at least got a break, you know?

00:44:44.659 --> 00:44:46.860
But Sean played all three, he played with all

00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:51.099
three bands. Wow. Right. Who sang the broken

00:44:51.099 --> 00:44:53.820
guitar to me? Was that? Who was singing for live

00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:55.760
at that show? That was Christian. Yeah, that

00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:58.800
was Christian. So that was Chris and then Kevin.

00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:00.920
Also, I thought that was kind of strange because

00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.199
I think that was the first and last, if I recall,

00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:10.170
time that, so... I remember live tried to play,

00:45:11.110 --> 00:45:14.889
oh, what is it? They played a Candlebox song.

00:45:15.949 --> 00:45:18.610
They played a Candlebox song, I think it was

00:45:18.610 --> 00:45:24.449
Far Behind. And then Kevin did a song with live

00:45:24.449 --> 00:45:27.349
or played like Lightning Crashes with Candlebox,

00:45:27.530 --> 00:45:30.550
something like that. And that was really weird.

00:45:30.869 --> 00:45:34.269
I can't remember what we did. So I know that

00:45:34.269 --> 00:45:38.190
you had to be tired as fuck playing in live.

00:45:38.329 --> 00:45:40.369
I mean, do you remember any songs you did in

00:45:40.369 --> 00:45:42.369
each? Cause that seems like a big task on drums,

00:45:42.530 --> 00:45:44.469
dude. Well, the Gracious Feud was first. So we

00:45:44.469 --> 00:45:47.150
played, I forget, maybe seven or eight songs.

00:45:47.210 --> 00:45:49.469
I'm not sure. And then live played a little bit

00:45:49.469 --> 00:45:52.190
longer. So yeah, a little tiring, but we got

00:45:52.190 --> 00:45:55.309
through it. And I think, I think after that show,

00:45:55.650 --> 00:45:57.829
everybody's kind of agreed like, okay, let's

00:45:57.829 --> 00:46:04.519
just stick to our stuff. Far behind a couple

00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:06.739
of times and we tried to do like a penis juice

00:46:06.739 --> 00:46:14.320
a couple times and we decided that was I think

00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:18.500
gracious you um, oh I saw them at the at the

00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:22.619
troubadour in LA and you guys started doing a

00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:26.719
Depeche Mode cover of it's no good. Yeah, I thought

00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.659
that was awesome because Not a lot of people

00:46:29.659 --> 00:46:32.320
know but the pesh mode is my uh, my guilty pleasure

00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:36.800
I have seen the pesh mode every single tour since

00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:40.679
86 on their um, I think it was been a violator

00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.039
tour I think so. Yeah, I've seen it. What were

00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:46.800
you fucking four years old in 1986? Yeah, 1986

00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.679
um, they had a violator and I've seen them every

00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:53.099
single tour How old were you in 86? In 86? I

00:46:53.099 --> 00:46:55.800
was 15 years old. Oh my god. You look young man.

00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:00.280
She was one of my very first shows. My mom, I

00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.119
was so young, my mom wouldn't let me go to any

00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:07.880
concerts. But I was in college when I was 15

00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:09.599
years old, I was in college. And then when you're

00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:11.900
in college, I get to do what I want. So when

00:47:11.900 --> 00:47:14.300
I started my first year in college, I was going

00:47:14.300 --> 00:47:17.579
to YouTube. I was seeing Joshua Tree. The original

00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:20.199
Joshua Tree tour, I saw Depeche Mode whenever

00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:22.219
I saw Rod. I started going crazy. I said, oh

00:47:22.219 --> 00:47:24.139
man, I'm free. I can go to concerts. My mom would

00:47:24.139 --> 00:47:25.820
never let me go to concerts when I was that young.

00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:28.699
But well, when you're on your own in college,

00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:32.099
you're like, oh, well, I'll just do it. But yeah,

00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:34.139
that was really cool to hear the Depeche Mode.

00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:37.199
Whose idea was that, Chad, to do that Depeche

00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.900
Mode cover? I think maybe it was Kevin's. Oh,

00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.639
OK. I don't know exactly, but I'm thinking it

00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:49.050
was Kevin's. Yeah, that was super cool to see.

00:47:50.769 --> 00:47:52.670
Oh, I know one thing I was thinking about since

00:47:52.670 --> 00:47:56.730
the last podcast was, so Chad, I think the very

00:47:56.730 --> 00:47:59.070
first time that live guys like super, super duper

00:47:59.070 --> 00:48:01.409
popular was when you guys went to Brazil, like

00:48:01.409 --> 00:48:03.409
way back in the day, your first trip to Brazil.

00:48:03.949 --> 00:48:05.530
I mean, you guys were playing like, you know,

00:48:05.690 --> 00:48:10.610
festivals and stadiums and stuff. Do you recall

00:48:10.610 --> 00:48:13.380
that at all? You were way more popular in Brazil

00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:16.420
than you were in the US. I mean, everybody in

00:48:16.420 --> 00:48:18.639
Brazil knew you guys. Oh, Mental Jewelry went

00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:20.960
down there and we played a bunch of clubs and

00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:26.119
stuff. And then they put Paint Lazlin' on Riverside

00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:29.119
in a cigarette commercial down there and it blew

00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.460
up. And so then we went back and played, what

00:48:31.460 --> 00:48:33.840
was it? Rock in Rio, but it was a gigantic festival

00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:36.460
in Rio. but I don't think it was rockin' Rio.

00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.420
It was in Sao Paulo, right? There was one in

00:48:39.420 --> 00:48:41.900
Sao Paulo, one in Rio, we played two of them.

00:48:42.619 --> 00:48:45.579
Yeah. Yeah, and that was what it sounds like.

00:48:46.019 --> 00:48:48.019
We were playing throwing copper stuff before

00:48:48.019 --> 00:48:50.500
it came out. And there was like a hundred thousand

00:48:50.500 --> 00:48:52.960
people there. It was not a small crowd, dude.

00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:56.719
Yeah, and some of them were throwing Evian bottles

00:48:56.719 --> 00:49:00.960
full of urine at us. That's great. Yummy! Awesome.

00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.539
And we went on right before Sepultura. I don't

00:49:03.539 --> 00:49:05.699
know if you're familiar, but... Yes! It's like

00:49:05.699 --> 00:49:07.960
Brazil's version of like fucking death metal

00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.380
and they're awesome band. Like they went on right

00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:13.000
after us and so their fans are like, get these

00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:16.420
jackasses off the stage. Yeah, hippie loving

00:49:16.420 --> 00:49:19.769
freaks. Actually, um... Uh, yeah, i'm surprised

00:49:19.769 --> 00:49:21.550
you had that you remember that was from a cigarette

00:49:21.550 --> 00:49:24.690
commercial. So I I found that cigarette commercial

00:49:24.690 --> 00:49:27.469
Um, I don't know john if you want to have bobby

00:49:27.469 --> 00:49:30.050
or hey bobby if you could pull up youtube Jimmy

00:49:30.050 --> 00:49:32.070
there's like a 40 there's like a 40 second clip

00:49:32.070 --> 00:49:34.190
or i've never seen it. That's funny This is awesome.

00:49:34.190 --> 00:49:37.090
I'm very if you uh, if you if you go to youtube

00:49:37.090 --> 00:49:42.050
and yeah, and you're searching youtube, um Pain

00:49:42.050 --> 00:49:47.250
lies on the riverside commercial um there's a

00:49:47.250 --> 00:49:50.070
there's a cigarette company they actually use

00:49:50.070 --> 00:49:52.610
that song for in their commercial and uh you

00:49:52.610 --> 00:49:56.110
can you see a clip of it on there okay i was

00:49:56.110 --> 00:49:59.449
really i think i wonder how they got so popular

00:49:59.449 --> 00:50:01.690
in brazil and it was because of a cigarette commercial

00:50:01.690 --> 00:50:04.349
ironically enough chat you don't even like cigarettes

00:50:04.349 --> 00:50:08.519
or smoke from all the From all the no smoking

00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:10.659
signs that I used to see you go around backstage

00:50:10.659 --> 00:50:13.440
putting them everywhere you could like no smoking,

00:50:13.659 --> 00:50:18.320
no smoking. I don't like smoking. You Chad, proactive.

00:50:18.699 --> 00:50:20.880
We almost got in like a fist fight with third

00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:24.219
eye blinders and that shit. Oh no way. Yeah,

00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:29.380
Sacramento. Sacramento. I'm gonna play that for

00:50:29.380 --> 00:50:31.539
you Jimbo, I think I got it. Oh wait a second,

00:50:31.780 --> 00:50:33.099
hold on. This is funny, I've never even seen

00:50:33.099 --> 00:50:35.590
this. Yeah, I think that's it right there. Yeah,

00:50:35.590 --> 00:50:38.449
yeah, that's that's the one i got to uh share

00:50:38.449 --> 00:50:42.750
with sound everybody do that Yeah, so they started

00:50:42.750 --> 00:50:44.789
playing that and like pretty much everybody in

00:50:44.789 --> 00:50:48.769
brazil knows that song is so crazy Here we go

00:50:48.769 --> 00:51:04.630
Oh no internet Let me see here, folks. I don't

00:51:04.630 --> 00:51:06.630
know. Is it me? Can you hear me, guys? Yeah,

00:51:06.630 --> 00:51:08.690
we can hear you, yeah. All right, let's see.

00:51:13.869 --> 00:51:15.809
Full screen, I'm not sure what's going on here.

00:51:16.489 --> 00:51:18.489
I will bring it up again, but just give me a

00:51:18.489 --> 00:51:20.989
second. Bear with all the technical difficulties.

00:51:23.889 --> 00:51:30.170
Yeah, I also had some... I'm cool with that first...

00:51:29.900 --> 00:51:32.420
trip to brazil on you guys in clubs and doing

00:51:32.420 --> 00:51:36.699
the samba and yeah yeah it was cool to go to

00:51:36.699 --> 00:51:39.900
brazil i loved it was fun like they could uh

00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:42.719
take us around like farmers markets and stuff

00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:45.739
on days off like the record company and you go

00:51:45.739 --> 00:51:47.920
to these freaking markets and they had like just

00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:50.219
carcasses of animals hanging around like flies

00:51:50.219 --> 00:51:52.719
all over and shit you're like it's a little different

00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.860
than america And then it just give you a raw

00:51:55.860 --> 00:51:58.099
sugar cane to chew on like it was a treat You

00:51:58.099 --> 00:52:00.059
just pick it take a piece of raw sugar can just

00:52:00.059 --> 00:52:02.440
chew on it. You sure that wasn't a cocoa leaf

00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:08.400
there, buddy. Yeah, I'm sure Sound or no sound

00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:12.800
You gotta hit the play button, oh I'm just playing

00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.300
on my end dude. I'm totally fucked over here.

00:52:15.579 --> 00:52:19.599
Okay All right. Well next time ladies and gentlemen,

00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:23.369
this is a bunch of bullshit. Yeah Bobby had to

00:52:23.369 --> 00:52:25.889
take off. Unfortunately, he was our main man

00:52:25.889 --> 00:52:28.550
for that, but he had to leave early today and

00:52:28.550 --> 00:52:32.610
god damn it, Bobby. That's it. I'll fucking need

00:52:32.610 --> 00:52:38.150
you. Right. Damn it. And it's funny when you're

00:52:38.150 --> 00:52:42.849
talking about, sorry about that. And it's funny

00:52:42.849 --> 00:52:45.369
when you're talking about, do you know how this

00:52:45.369 --> 00:52:47.210
occurred? Marshall came about, I guess this was

00:52:47.210 --> 00:52:51.909
management or no idea. I have no idea. I don't.

00:52:51.690 --> 00:52:53.750
I don't know. I think the record company did

00:52:53.750 --> 00:52:56.690
something down there and I don't know who gave

00:52:56.690 --> 00:53:00.110
him permission. Maybe someone on our side did.

00:53:00.170 --> 00:53:00.929
You don't know if you got paid for it or anything.

00:53:01.010 --> 00:53:03.670
That's fucking shady, man. I'm sure we got paid

00:53:03.670 --> 00:53:08.909
somehow for it, but it certainly worked. Yeah.

00:53:09.909 --> 00:53:12.250
I mean, because I think the one like there's

00:53:12.250 --> 00:53:15.710
video from 1994, I believe in Sao Paulo, Brazil,

00:53:16.170 --> 00:53:18.190
Ed's wearing like some fucking green flannel

00:53:18.190 --> 00:53:21.440
shirt. He's got long ass curly hair. Like it

00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:23.460
just goes behind, you know the whole band you

00:53:23.460 --> 00:53:25.199
guys playing you look out at the crowd and it's

00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.420
like a woodstock fucking crowd Yeah, that was

00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:30.139
that was the show else. Yeah with the piss bottles

00:53:30.139 --> 00:53:33.800
I did not see that in the video, but yeah in

00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:36.300
the stomach of one. I remember it distinctly

00:53:36.300 --> 00:53:41.159
Damn dude came up over the set They didn't have

00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:44.860
a cap on it. Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah. Thank God is

00:53:44.860 --> 00:53:47.619
right Are they stupid though? I mean take the

00:53:47.619 --> 00:53:51.500
fucking cap off Dude, we went to Brazil one time,

00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:54.920
sometime in the mid -2000s, and we played at

00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:58.360
this festival. We were the headliner. And it

00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:03.679
was in Belo Horizonte, a place we'd never been.

00:54:04.539 --> 00:54:08.579
And it was in a stadium. And we got to the stadium

00:54:08.579 --> 00:54:12.380
probably around 3 or 4 in the afternoon. We were

00:54:12.380 --> 00:54:18.579
supposed to go on at 9 or 10. Oh, wow. and it

00:54:18.579 --> 00:54:20.719
was basically all brazilian bands except for

00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:24.900
us so every fucking band played like an hour

00:54:24.900 --> 00:54:30.679
over their set time oh god we so like at midnight

00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:32.960
we're like okay we're fucking out of here you

00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.320
know we're not we're not staying here any longer

00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:37.340
as we told our tour manager like go tell these

00:54:37.340 --> 00:54:39.739
motherfuckers we're done we're not staying here

00:54:39.739 --> 00:54:43.389
and His name was Matt Murphy and he comes back

00:54:43.389 --> 00:54:45.909
in me and he's like ashen face looking at and

00:54:45.909 --> 00:54:47.389
we're just like dude What the fuck are we leaving

00:54:47.389 --> 00:54:50.710
and he's looking at it's like? We can't leave

00:54:50.710 --> 00:54:53.130
more like we can't fucking leave it opens up

00:54:53.130 --> 00:54:55.309
the door. There's two policemen standing with

00:54:55.309 --> 00:54:57.289
automatic weapons So like no, you're not leaving

00:54:57.289 --> 00:55:00.809
Wow. Oh, I guess we're playing went on like 1

00:55:00.809 --> 00:55:04.190
30 a .m. And we were like who the fuck's gonna

00:55:04.190 --> 00:55:07.510
be here 1 30 a .m. Fucking packed totally the

00:55:07.510 --> 00:55:10.320
whole crowd was there. But again They threw piss

00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:14.079
bottles at us. Oh my God. They brought it back.

00:55:14.340 --> 00:55:16.639
They brought it back. That's amazing. But yeah,

00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:18.300
that was the latest we ever went on, but we were

00:55:18.300 --> 00:55:20.679
like, uh, yeah, I guess we're staying for the

00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:24.239
show. Not leaving. Thank you. The latest you

00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:27.119
went on and it was by gunpoint. Yes, basically.

00:55:29.019 --> 00:55:35.869
Aye, aye, aye. Let me see here. Also, let me

00:55:35.869 --> 00:55:38.510
see here if I can remember on some other cool

00:55:38.510 --> 00:55:43.269
things on the tour I saw the band play in San

00:55:43.269 --> 00:55:46.510
Francisco at the Warfield theater and that was

00:55:46.510 --> 00:55:49.070
the first time I saw Jennifer Charles She came

00:55:49.070 --> 00:55:52.369
on stage to sing so Jennifer Charles. She's saying

00:55:52.369 --> 00:55:56.210
on ghost. Yeah So that was pretty cool. I think

00:55:56.210 --> 00:55:57.869
she came out and thing on a couple shows that

00:55:57.869 --> 00:56:01.639
was that was really cool Was she a good looking

00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:03.619
chick because she sounded hot as fuck. I don't

00:56:03.619 --> 00:56:05.880
remember but I do remember her sound She was

00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:08.119
a cute little petite brunette. Yeah, she was

00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:12.039
a cute girl You're a little the same show. Um,

00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:16.340
I think uh, uh, so uh after the show, um, uh,

00:56:16.420 --> 00:56:18.559
taylor introduced me to this guy That's the first

00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.400
time i've ever met caesar's diaz. So caesar diaz,

00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.900
uh, if you guys remember His amp his amp this

00:56:24.900 --> 00:56:27.260
is Diaz is on the back of it's on the photo and

00:56:27.260 --> 00:56:29.360
the art work for Secret Samadhi You see the vacuum

00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:32.300
tube, but Cesar Diaz was the guy, you know, he

00:56:32.300 --> 00:56:33.840
built a lot of amps He worked with a lot of famous

00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:36.659
people too. Like he did um, Stevie Ray Vaughn

00:56:36.659 --> 00:56:39.519
He worked with and Keith Richards Neil Young

00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:42.800
Cesar was like the guru of guitar and like big

00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.559
guys like Stevie Ray Vaughn and Keith Richards

00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:47.960
like he was Keith Richards guy forever and ever

00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:50.900
then he started making his own amps which are

00:56:50.900 --> 00:56:53.860
I think they sought after And he unfortunately

00:56:53.860 --> 00:56:57.420
passed away quite a few years ago. But yeah,

00:56:57.579 --> 00:57:00.599
his amps are legendary. Chad loved them. I think

00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:03.400
he still loves them. They're great sounding amps.

00:57:04.099 --> 00:57:06.239
But yeah, he would tell stories about Keith Richards

00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.500
that were fucking hilarious, dude. Oh my God.

00:57:09.059 --> 00:57:13.559
Caesar. He had a great story. Keith Richards,

00:57:13.820 --> 00:57:15.719
there would literally be a death pool on every

00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:20.000
fucking, every Rolling Stones tour. Yeah, and

00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:22.300
guess who would win that time because it was

00:57:22.300 --> 00:57:24.579
always on Keith Richard dying on poor and he

00:57:24.579 --> 00:57:28.400
would always be in it. That's so funny Yeah,

00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:31.980
but come on So I don't even know how he's alive

00:57:31.980 --> 00:57:34.619
or him in office. It's amazing. Yeah, those two

00:57:34.619 --> 00:57:40.380
guys Dead for sure, maybe that's the kids do

00:57:40.380 --> 00:57:47.929
drugs. Hey, why do drugs? It's called life Oh,

00:57:47.929 --> 00:57:52.130
yeah, he's got some crazy crazy stories in there.

00:57:52.130 --> 00:57:55.670
Um Yeah, man, that's really that's really nuts

00:57:55.670 --> 00:57:59.190
So yeah, I met I met the Cesar Diaz which for

00:57:59.190 --> 00:58:01.170
me was like pretty cool because I mean I've all

00:58:01.170 --> 00:58:04.469
the albums I eat one of my favorites probably

00:58:04.469 --> 00:58:07.929
Secret somebody might maybe a hair. So just the

00:58:07.929 --> 00:58:10.969
meat like Cesar Diaz I'm responsible for some

00:58:10.969 --> 00:58:13.010
of that sound on that album was just like for

00:58:13.010 --> 00:58:17.940
sure. I was really those those really cool I

00:58:17.940 --> 00:58:20.679
think also I don't remember on that was it maybe

00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:24.739
that tour or maybe after Secret Samadhi I remember

00:58:24.739 --> 00:58:27.159
one trip I was a you guys were at Jerry Harrison's

00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:30.199
house. I remember like driving driving there

00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:34.239
or something and on the one on the highway one

00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:38.599
up in Big Star area is a Henry Miller Museum

00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:41.920
of all things and I remember I stopped at the

00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:44.079
Henry Henry Miller Museum and of course Ed being

00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:46.579
a huge fan of Henry Miller in the back pocket

00:58:46.699 --> 00:58:50.380
You little fucker. Oh, that's right. So yeah,

00:58:50.420 --> 00:58:52.579
but I think I got some stuff from a Henry Miller

00:58:52.579 --> 00:58:56.619
Museum That was that was really nice. I think

00:58:56.619 --> 00:58:59.719
even I I Pretty sure was Jerry Harrison's house.

00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:01.659
You guys did some recording there, right? We

00:59:01.659 --> 00:59:05.260
recorded in North of Sausalito and Jerry lives

00:59:05.260 --> 00:59:07.760
in Mill Valley and so Mill Valley is right there

00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:09.360
So yeah, we went to Jerry's house a bunch of

00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:11.380
times during that we recorded out of studio up

00:59:11.380 --> 00:59:13.920
there near Skywalker Ranch It was like right

00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:17.940
across the road from Skywalker Ranch But the

00:59:17.940 --> 00:59:20.039
studio was great. That was the first time, did

00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:21.940
you come up and set up a computer so we could

00:59:21.940 --> 00:59:24.980
communicate with people online? I might have,

00:59:25.260 --> 00:59:26.739
I don't know. And that was the first time we

00:59:26.739 --> 00:59:30.019
started, you'd get fucking haters. Even back

00:59:30.019 --> 00:59:32.960
then, this was like 98, and you had trolls online

00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:35.019
fucking. Oh yeah. I would start getting into

00:59:35.019 --> 00:59:39.619
it with them. Why are you here? Why are you here

00:59:39.619 --> 00:59:44.199
to fucking start shit? Right. I went and watched

00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:49.019
Saving Private Ryan in the theater. Or the sequel

00:59:49.019 --> 00:59:51.519
Saving Ryan's Privates, which is my favorite

00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:59.860
version. There you go. Trolls are my favorite.

01:00:00.059 --> 01:00:03.820
I have a lot of history with trolls and fans

01:00:03.820 --> 01:00:07.820
in general. For the most part though, I gotta

01:00:07.820 --> 01:00:10.469
say the live fans are really... they're really

01:00:10.469 --> 01:00:14.030
cool but oh they all live for sure as with every

01:00:14.030 --> 01:00:17.389
group there's few people in there you're like

01:00:17.389 --> 01:00:19.469
live fucking teddy bear over there jimmy you

01:00:19.469 --> 01:00:21.289
could do no wrong in the fans of live community

01:00:21.289 --> 01:00:25.190
that's for sure oh that's all right i i got really

01:00:25.190 --> 01:00:27.829
thick skin so i probably know some of those people

01:00:27.829 --> 01:00:30.070
in there so i was gonna say but just just as

01:00:30.070 --> 01:00:32.789
far as reception goes every there was not a bad

01:00:32.789 --> 01:00:34.590
word i heard about last week's episode everybody

01:00:34.590 --> 01:00:38.119
was all hell jimmy so Oh, wow. Thanks, people.

01:00:38.460 --> 01:00:40.219
I mean, I try to be nice to the fans because

01:00:40.219 --> 01:00:42.980
at the end of the day, you know, even, I mean,

01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:44.880
even all the guys in the band, they're they're

01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:47.340
always gracious to the fans because, you know,

01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.400
obviously that's where the bread and money is.

01:00:49.659 --> 01:00:52.900
But me, I had a little bit of a leeway because

01:00:52.900 --> 01:00:55.239
I wasn't in the band. So if they're going to

01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:57.360
be an ass to me, then well, I'll just be an ass

01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:00.880
back. Sure. I used to have a I think I chilled

01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:02.860
out a lot over the years, though. So apologies

01:01:02.860 --> 01:01:04.659
to anybody in the past that I have offended.

01:01:05.260 --> 01:01:08.960
Um, yeah and fucking coaches. Sorry jim a while

01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:14.059
ago, but Sorry being an asshole. Um But yeah,

01:01:14.139 --> 01:01:16.340
there's a lot of I mean there's a lot of history

01:01:16.340 --> 01:01:18.719
with uh with me and the fans in general though

01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:20.840
like I said I always tried to be like super nice

01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:23.519
to the fans because I'm in when I ran them when

01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:26.699
I helped to run the mailing list, um and because

01:01:26.699 --> 01:01:29.139
I was running the mailing list and the the message

01:01:29.139 --> 01:01:31.539
versions I got to know like a shitload of fans

01:01:31.539 --> 01:01:34.679
and I got rides with many of them from shoulder

01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:36.780
shows some of them let me stay at their places

01:01:36.780 --> 01:01:40.320
thanks guys saved me a buck here and there um

01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:44.699
but yeah I uh and in return I mean because I

01:01:44.699 --> 01:01:47.000
got to see a lot of the fan interactions like

01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:49.840
I would know after a while like oh this this

01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.929
person is a huge fan or this this and you know

01:01:52.929 --> 01:01:54.730
I would try to I would try to give back I guess

01:01:54.730 --> 01:01:57.309
in a way so I would like you know I'd ask if

01:01:57.309 --> 01:02:00.110
I can put them on the guest list and I was wait

01:02:00.110 --> 01:02:03.789
that was one way that uh I could give back I

01:02:03.789 --> 01:02:07.289
mean not um so probably not a lot of people know

01:02:07.289 --> 01:02:09.170
this uh Chad probably you don't even know this

01:02:09.170 --> 01:02:11.510
but you know so when they did the guest list

01:02:11.510 --> 01:02:14.150
for the shows uh you know the fan the official

01:02:14.150 --> 01:02:17.250
fan club homespun and friends of life they would

01:02:17.250 --> 01:02:20.619
get like maybe like two or three you know, maybe

01:02:20.619 --> 01:02:23.380
four at the most or something. So a lot of times

01:02:23.380 --> 01:02:25.980
they would give out passes, but they were only

01:02:25.980 --> 01:02:28.300
allowed like certain amount of passes. So I would

01:02:28.300 --> 01:02:30.420
always be working with Michelle and Michelle

01:02:30.420 --> 01:02:32.699
would always ask me, hey, Jimmy, you know, for

01:02:32.699 --> 01:02:34.440
this particular show, do you think there's any

01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:37.599
way? So between Michelle and I, I would, I mean,

01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:40.420
she would turn in her list, but then after that

01:02:40.420 --> 01:02:42.500
I would turn to my list, which would have extra

01:02:42.500 --> 01:02:45.079
names that she would give me. And the band was,

01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:47.460
and the band and the manager were always so nice

01:02:47.460 --> 01:02:49.039
to me. I don't think they've ever said no to

01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:52.940
me. on any guest list so i would uh i would supplement

01:02:52.940 --> 01:02:56.380
her guest list by i mean i was all the way i

01:02:56.380 --> 01:02:59.139
viewed it was uh you know in the long run it's

01:02:59.139 --> 01:03:01.019
all about the fans and like you know trying to

01:03:01.019 --> 01:03:03.639
trying to help our fans meet i mean i can't imagine

01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:05.440
me if i was like a rush fan or something to someone

01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.480
hey you want to meet neil i'd be like freaking

01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:10.320
awesome of course so i would always try to do

01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:11.780
really interesting things to fans i'd i'd hook

01:03:11.780 --> 01:03:15.460
them up and guest list i I helped Michelle out

01:03:15.460 --> 01:03:19.679
with the fan club. I remember I would have like

01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.139
tickets. I would. There's some shows like I remember

01:03:22.139 --> 01:03:25.400
in Phoenix, I would go up into the balcony and

01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:28.900
I would see huge fans in the balcony and I would

01:03:28.900 --> 01:03:30.780
like I would upgrade them to like the front row

01:03:30.780 --> 01:03:33.360
or something. So I would do I'd do shit like

01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:35.559
that. A lot of times I was a photographer. So

01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:39.480
I was in the pit and in those. Those clubs where

01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:42.139
it's you're just so packed man, and it's really

01:03:42.139 --> 01:03:43.840
hot in some of those clubs And I I would have

01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:45.679
like bottles of water and I'd always run them

01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:47.679
to people in the middle of crack. I'd give them

01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:52.239
bottles of water So I mean if I kind of had that

01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:53.920
little position of power right there I probably

01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:56.079
wouldn't be getting sexual favors for some of

01:03:56.079 --> 01:03:58.500
that. Did you get any any love him for that?

01:03:59.219 --> 01:04:01.679
No, dude. I'm not you're the pervert. That's

01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:03.780
not my That's not my I wouldn't I would never

01:04:03.780 --> 01:04:06.380
use a big for that. But I mean, I never know

01:04:06.380 --> 01:04:12.619
for me. It was more I mean I'll say this that

01:04:12.619 --> 01:04:15.280
one time I know I can probably say this because

01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:17.360
Chad was single at the time but I remember one

01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:20.500
show in particular in Atlanta he was drumming

01:04:20.500 --> 01:04:25.679
and I think during the middle of the show I was

01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:27.500
on one of the side of the stage and Sean Williams

01:04:27.500 --> 01:04:30.699
he was on the other side of the stage and Sean

01:04:30.699 --> 01:04:32.239
kept saying hey come over here come over here

01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:36.380
come over here and I had the Got my way to the

01:04:36.380 --> 01:04:38.260
other crowd and I go, what's up? And he says,

01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:41.300
hey, Chad wants you to run these passes down

01:04:41.300 --> 01:04:43.500
to these two blondes in the middle of a crowd.

01:04:44.739 --> 01:04:47.219
I'm like, what? I was like, this happened? You

01:04:47.219 --> 01:04:49.840
mean like now? He's like, yeah, man, he's drumming

01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:51.619
right now. I can't do it because I'm working.

01:04:52.300 --> 01:04:54.860
And well, here's two passes. And I'll point them

01:04:54.860 --> 01:04:57.159
out to you. Now, right over there, if you just

01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:01.440
look. Saw it. I'd run down and I'd give him passes.

01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:04.760
Rock star shit. Gotta figure out some way to

01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:07.780
meet these girls. Chad, you never fucking gave

01:05:07.780 --> 01:05:10.420
me passes when I was out in the crowd. Oh, you're

01:05:10.420 --> 01:05:13.340
not a girl. I kind of looked at everyone when

01:05:13.340 --> 01:05:19.360
I shaved, though. There's a little window between

01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:27.260
my first marriage and meeting my second ex now.

01:05:28.579 --> 01:05:32.059
Where I was, you know. Having fun. I was enjoying

01:05:32.059 --> 01:05:34.420
my rock star to put it that way. So it was nice.

01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:37.579
It was fun Yeah, I mean if I if you were experiencing

01:05:37.579 --> 01:05:39.599
that I was wondering how you settled down that

01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:41.460
second time But that's for a later show when

01:05:41.460 --> 01:05:46.880
we don't have Jimmy on Yeah, yeah, but um, get

01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:49.699
to the love bite, you know Yeah, you know like

01:05:49.699 --> 01:05:52.400
the the fan stuff is you know, it's interesting.

01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:55.840
I'm at one that's Even as years go by and the

01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:58.800
years go by like I remember like even the management

01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:00.599
or even the guys I was like, hey, do you know

01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:02.500
this person? Hey, do you know this fan? What

01:06:02.500 --> 01:06:06.059
are they like? So, you know, I'll be like, yeah,

01:06:06.059 --> 01:06:08.159
okay, that is really cool. He's a huge fan. He's

01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:12.880
cool That one talk shit about you After a while

01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:15.460
I get to know a lot of fans, of course, you know,

01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:18.159
just going to so many children pretty cool, but

01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:22.059
I think I mean the the best fan base is you know

01:06:22.059 --> 01:06:24.219
Australia is always like a huge place for the

01:06:24.219 --> 01:06:26.400
band to play also Netherlands is a really huge

01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:28.820
yeah Netherlands was really cool that was the

01:06:28.820 --> 01:06:32.920
first time I ever had a shawarma and yeah my

01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:37.219
first trip my first trip there and um I think

01:06:37.219 --> 01:06:38.960
chad you were saying to me like uh, hey we're

01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:40.840
staying in this hotel over here by the river

01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:42.920
There's this awesome shawarma place and i was

01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:49.059
like, what is a shawarma? You gotta try it. Yeah,

01:06:49.059 --> 01:06:50.760
we always stay at the grand hotel. It's like

01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:53.360
it's like, you know shawarma is like Yeah, it's

01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:55.280
like street food, but it's like a you know, pita

01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:59.460
with some Chopped up meat and hot sauce and stuff.

01:06:59.500 --> 01:07:01.940
That was really good. Yeah That was always good.

01:07:02.179 --> 01:07:04.260
All those trips to the Netherlands were really

01:07:04.260 --> 01:07:07.619
good. One time in the Netherlands, I was walking

01:07:07.619 --> 01:07:10.860
by the river and I hear my name, Jimmy. I was

01:07:10.860 --> 01:07:14.400
like, okay, there's no way in hell anybody knows

01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:18.400
me and would know me in Netherlands Amsterdam,

01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:21.659
or as I call it Amsterdam -ish, of all places.

01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:25.260
I look over and it's Matt, Gracie, and Patrick.

01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:29.400
They're in a little shop. Yeah. Oh, cool. Coffee

01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:32.320
shop. Coffee shop. Yes. I gotta tell you, that

01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:35.219
was also my first time. Mom, I hope you're not

01:07:35.219 --> 01:07:39.699
listening to this. I had some problems. But I,

01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:42.639
okay, so someone persuaded me to try the brownies.

01:07:42.940 --> 01:07:46.699
So I had a brownie. I had this one brownie. It

01:07:46.699 --> 01:07:49.199
hurt. Right. And I waited about 20 minutes like,

01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:52.199
man, this shit is not working. No, this isn't

01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:54.179
doing anything to me at all. That's a common

01:07:54.179 --> 01:07:56.780
mistake right there. Yes. I went and got a second

01:07:56.780 --> 01:07:59.380
brownie because I think we didn't have enough.

01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:01.320
So I got a second brownie. I got to remember

01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:03.900
this is my very first time doing brownies. Wow.

01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:09.019
And then I was like, so I forget to realize that

01:08:09.019 --> 01:08:13.000
it takes a while for your body to start processing

01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:16.619
that and absorb it. And wow, I remember people

01:08:16.619 --> 01:08:18.439
telling me. Well, maybe it was Patrick or something.

01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:21.880
The best stuff, how do you know when is the best

01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:25.300
stuff? Because you're paranoid. I remember sitting

01:08:25.300 --> 01:08:28.520
there right when the brownies kicked in after

01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:32.819
I had two already. And I swear, I thought the

01:08:32.819 --> 01:08:36.439
walls were closing in on me, but weren't really.

01:08:36.819 --> 01:08:38.720
And then I would look at the clock on the wall

01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:41.180
and I'd be like, you know. 20 minutes, I look

01:08:41.180 --> 01:08:43.819
at the clock again, but then why is the clock

01:08:43.819 --> 01:08:46.460
went backwards? It was one o 'clock, but now

01:08:46.460 --> 01:08:48.880
I swear it is noon. Something's happening. And

01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:50.239
who are these people that just got in? They're

01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:56.140
probably after me. And that was, yeah, Amsterdam

01:08:56.140 --> 01:08:58.960
is just a lot of really good shows, a lot of

01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:02.060
fun times there. I'm jealous. The filming of

01:09:02.060 --> 01:09:06.439
the DVD was done there. Yeah. The cool thing

01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:08.920
about the Netherlands is they had a really, really

01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:12.020
well -run a fan club called Subculture Live.

01:09:12.819 --> 01:09:15.220
Oh, that was them? Yeah, Subculture Live. I remember

01:09:15.220 --> 01:09:18.220
that, right? Yeah. They're really, really good,

01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:20.819
really, really good people. I mean, and they

01:09:20.819 --> 01:09:22.779
would always bug me for photos. If you got any

01:09:22.779 --> 01:09:25.420
of their fanzine, probably like 80 % of the photos

01:09:25.420 --> 01:09:26.960
were my photos. But I would always hook them

01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:30.220
up with photos. And every time the band would

01:09:30.220 --> 01:09:33.560
play Netherlands, I would ask them for names

01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:35.979
of like big fans that they would want hooked

01:09:35.979 --> 01:09:37.939
up. And then I would... Passed those names on

01:09:37.939 --> 01:09:39.800
to the guest list and then those guys got backstage

01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:42.539
passes and they held a big party I think when

01:09:42.539 --> 01:09:46.180
they had the DVD release party They had a huge

01:09:46.180 --> 01:09:49.020
party and the whole fan club and a whole bunch

01:09:49.020 --> 01:09:54.500
of fans showed up and One of the parties I I

01:09:54.500 --> 01:09:57.420
took one of the DVDs that I had with me of a

01:09:57.420 --> 01:10:00.079
of the 98 chameleon show that had like new city

01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:02.630
on it because one of the guys in the Subculture

01:10:02.630 --> 01:10:04.590
live guys, you know, hey, can you bring one up?

01:10:04.670 --> 01:10:06.449
Can you bring something that we show on the screen

01:10:06.449 --> 01:10:10.109
that nobody? You know has seen so I actually

01:10:10.109 --> 01:10:13.550
bought In 98 when they played the three shows

01:10:13.550 --> 01:10:17.229
at the chameleon club before the release of distance

01:10:17.229 --> 01:10:19.489
to hear I bought one of these from one of those

01:10:19.489 --> 01:10:22.529
shows and they played them on a big screen and

01:10:22.529 --> 01:10:24.609
I mean Everybody was so busy like meeting the

01:10:24.609 --> 01:10:26.859
guys And the people that were paying attention

01:10:26.859 --> 01:10:29.380
would have heard a lot of new stuff like new

01:10:29.380 --> 01:10:31.859
cd and don't wait on there called don't wait,

01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:35.420
which I really liked Yo, jimmy, where is that?

01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:37.899
Do you have that still? Oh, yeah, I have all

01:10:37.899 --> 01:10:41.899
that stuff That is a must fucking released fine.

01:10:41.899 --> 01:10:43.979
You got to find that and get that out dude, please

01:10:43.979 --> 01:10:46.699
Oh, I will the the crazy thing about those like

01:10:46.699 --> 01:10:49.100
those three shows because it was before distance

01:10:49.100 --> 01:10:51.800
to here came out um, there was a lot of uh things

01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:55.600
in Those songs themselves were different like

01:10:55.600 --> 01:11:01.260
like facing ghosts and did a lot of He added

01:11:01.260 --> 01:11:04.880
new he added new verses and new Lyrics to it.

01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:07.640
So a lot of those songs that they played They're

01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:10.180
kind of like early versions of songs that eventually

01:11:10.180 --> 01:11:12.779
they made it to distance to here and then some

01:11:12.779 --> 01:11:15.600
songs didn't make it Don't wake up a new city

01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:19.800
But yeah, the those those those three shows are

01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:21.840
really cool and I taped all three of those all

01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:26.479
three nights And so I got to see different versions

01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:28.079
of the songs before they even made it to the

01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:30.260
record. The other cool thing about those shows

01:11:30.260 --> 01:11:33.159
were Christopher Thorne was on stage and he played

01:11:33.159 --> 01:11:35.460
steel guitar. But also they had Jerry Harrison

01:11:35.460 --> 01:11:39.539
there. So Jerry Harrison was playing keyboards.

01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:41.899
So yeah, on the communion club was like, you

01:11:41.899 --> 01:11:44.800
know, big party, you know, Jerry Harrison's there

01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:47.279
and Chris Thorne's there and like all these crazy

01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:50.770
songs that live fans hadn't heard. Some eventually

01:11:50.770 --> 01:11:54.430
made it to the record But maybe a little bit

01:11:54.430 --> 01:11:56.930
different version. Yeah, and some never made

01:11:56.930 --> 01:11:59.829
it to the records. Yeah Those three shows are

01:11:59.829 --> 01:12:03.449
really young Yeah, they're legendary. They're

01:12:03.449 --> 01:12:05.630
in the books is some of the fucking like I said

01:12:05.630 --> 01:12:08.210
I got to see their Stone Pony concert in 98 and

01:12:08.210 --> 01:12:10.289
it was the same thing where they played four

01:12:10.289 --> 01:12:12.189
songs that I knew their rest were all new and

01:12:12.189 --> 01:12:14.550
it was either going to the distance or Didn't

01:12:14.550 --> 01:12:16.800
make it to it Overcome being one of those homes

01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:19.600
and it was just they were phenomenal every song

01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:21.920
change. I think is one of my favorite that oh,

01:12:21.939 --> 01:12:27.720
yeah They used to be released Yeah, the I mean

01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:30.460
just those early before distance to hear and

01:12:30.460 --> 01:12:32.920
I think that whole time that time period part

01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:35.399
of my favorite like the between somebody doesn't

01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:38.720
hear there's so much Cool stuff. They open these

01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:41.140
open up with where fishes go. It's the damn our

01:12:41.140 --> 01:12:46.970
street, which I think is an awesome opener What's

01:12:46.970 --> 01:12:49.850
your favorite live album, by the way? Man, that's

01:12:49.850 --> 01:12:53.090
a tough one. I like Secret Smiley for some reason.

01:12:53.229 --> 01:12:55.890
I don't know. Wow, nice. Dark, a little bit dark.

01:12:56.050 --> 01:12:58.449
Drumming is awesome on there. The music on there

01:12:58.449 --> 01:13:00.970
is great. It's very gritty. That's probably my

01:13:00.970 --> 01:13:04.569
favorite, too. It's very rock and roll. I mean,

01:13:04.750 --> 01:13:06.510
once you start introducing keyboard players and

01:13:06.510 --> 01:13:08.630
keyboards, then I don't know if it's a rock and

01:13:08.630 --> 01:13:12.729
roll band anymore. Sorry. But I mean, this is

01:13:12.729 --> 01:13:21.170
a hero. Yeah, I'm more of a rock and roll, like

01:13:21.170 --> 01:13:26.630
just straight four -piece rock band. Oh, so for

01:13:26.630 --> 01:13:29.050
me... Me too, Jimmy, me too. Yeah, that whole

01:13:29.050 --> 01:13:32.149
period was like great. The Where Fishes Go is

01:13:32.149 --> 01:13:34.829
an opener. I still think, man, that's an awesome

01:13:34.829 --> 01:13:38.340
opener, almost. Some shows that I saw were even,

01:13:38.340 --> 01:13:40.180
I think that's an even better opener than Damanhurta

01:13:40.180 --> 01:13:44.600
Creek. So the band would come on stage and they

01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:47.979
would play really hard and all of a sudden, but

01:13:47.979 --> 01:13:50.659
there'd be no Ed, and about a minute later, then

01:13:50.659 --> 01:13:52.859
Ed would enter the stage in the middle of where

01:13:52.859 --> 01:13:55.619
the fishes go, but he'd be dressed up as a pimp

01:13:55.619 --> 01:13:58.159
or something, and he'd have this huge cape, and

01:13:58.159 --> 01:14:01.279
he'd walk across the stage with this cane, looking

01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:04.520
like a pimp. Mean the whole visual I was like

01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:07.020
what in the hell and then they just broke right

01:14:07.020 --> 01:14:09.359
in the where fish is going Like oh my god, this

01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:12.039
is so awesome. Yeah, it was a cool like creative

01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:14.079
experimental time for the band. Those were fucking

01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:21.520
great years, man a lot of really good shows We

01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:23.380
always like to leave them more but if you've

01:14:23.380 --> 01:14:26.020
got one more story for us we could sneak it in

01:14:26.020 --> 01:14:29.119
Let me tell a real old story cuz right one of

01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:34.350
the chance favorite people Actually, I have to

01:14:34.350 --> 01:14:39.590
say I'll preface the story by saying Raila is

01:14:39.590 --> 01:14:45.510
an amazing musician. He just has substance abuse

01:14:45.510 --> 01:14:49.609
problems, but I think he's better now. And that's

01:14:49.609 --> 01:14:54.010
why I don't feel so bad. I know from my understanding

01:14:54.010 --> 01:14:56.510
he's chilled out quite a bit actually, so good

01:14:56.510 --> 01:15:01.659
for him. But I remember that man sometimes Rayla

01:15:01.659 --> 01:15:04.819
would play like he played like imagine in the

01:15:04.819 --> 01:15:08.500
wrong key. And now some people can't see it because

01:15:08.500 --> 01:15:11.439
Ed won't face the stage. But when it turned around,

01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:13.579
when he put and I could see it because I'm on

01:15:13.579 --> 01:15:15.739
the side of the stage and he would just have

01:15:15.739 --> 01:15:19.979
like these eyes. I will kill you. Like he would

01:15:19.979 --> 01:15:23.560
he. Oh, man. He's like, how can I play imagine

01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:27.399
in the wrong key? It's because he was drunk a

01:15:27.399 --> 01:15:31.590
lot of times and. to the point where I would

01:15:31.590 --> 01:15:37.050
show up and I'd be roaming around and I'd go

01:15:37.050 --> 01:15:39.689
into the dressing room. Matt Gracie would be

01:15:39.689 --> 01:15:41.270
in the dressing room. He'd be like, help me,

01:15:41.350 --> 01:15:42.909
man, help me. I'd be like, help you do what?

01:15:43.170 --> 01:15:45.189
He's like, we gotta hide all this shit. Okay,

01:15:45.310 --> 01:15:47.090
what are we hiding? We gotta hide all these bottles

01:15:47.090 --> 01:15:48.829
of alcohol. I need them all out of here. I need

01:15:48.829 --> 01:15:52.329
them all out. So yeah, we just tried to clear

01:15:52.329 --> 01:15:54.090
the dressing room of alcohol before the band

01:15:54.090 --> 01:15:56.869
would arrive because Once the band arrived, the

01:15:56.869 --> 01:15:58.369
first thing Rayla would be looking for would

01:15:58.369 --> 01:16:01.270
be a bottle. It's a little bit early to start

01:16:01.270 --> 01:16:03.569
drinking. You haven't even played a note yet.

01:16:04.510 --> 01:16:07.810
So yeah, there were some pretty dark shows where

01:16:07.810 --> 01:16:10.130
I was like, oh my God. That's funny you mentioned

01:16:10.130 --> 01:16:11.689
that. Because there's times where I'm listening

01:16:11.689 --> 01:16:13.750
to Rayla, I'm like, that? And I'm not, you know,

01:16:13.810 --> 01:16:15.069
I'm not much of a musician, but I'm like, that

01:16:15.069 --> 01:16:17.350
doesn't sound right. But now I know that sometimes

01:16:17.350 --> 01:16:19.829
it wasn't right. He was a little fucked up. A

01:16:19.829 --> 01:16:23.590
little, yeah. Kind of, kind of. That wasn't even

01:16:23.590 --> 01:16:25.739
like... there's a lot of shows like that for

01:16:25.739 --> 01:16:28.460
raylo a lot of shows like that good for him man

01:16:28.460 --> 01:16:30.619
if you're fucking you know but if he's better

01:16:30.619 --> 01:16:34.520
now so good do it i would have been the fifth

01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:37.220
member of live that was the worst substance abuser

01:16:37.220 --> 01:16:39.819
there would have been so raylo's got nothing

01:16:39.819 --> 01:16:45.279
on me i don't know about that he uh he's a liverpool

01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:48.800
cat so you know he's ah liverpool england so

01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:52.930
he's a scouser as you can call himself Well,

01:16:52.930 --> 01:16:55.670
I want to thank the one and only Jimmy Lange

01:16:55.670 --> 01:16:58.470
our first guest have a two -parter man, thank

01:16:58.470 --> 01:17:02.149
you buddy and the worst You got anything tell

01:17:02.149 --> 01:17:07.369
the audience? No, well, thanks for us Listen

01:17:07.369 --> 01:17:09.630
to my stories. I'll try to remember come up with

01:17:09.630 --> 01:17:15.590
some more cool stories. Maybe If you ever start

01:17:15.590 --> 01:17:18.949
a project I would just tell people make sure

01:17:18.949 --> 01:17:21.920
you finish it as you can see i haven't uh i got

01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:24.840
some work to do yes i haven't quite finished

01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:28.119
it but thanks for having me thanks for coming

01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:30.899
on dude thank you jimmy appreciate it bud i'll

01:17:30.899 --> 01:17:32.720
talk to you later in the future take care dude

01:17:32.720 --> 01:17:36.819
ciao the one and only jimmy lang man back at

01:17:36.819 --> 01:17:40.460
him thank you sir chad that was a walk down memory

01:17:40.460 --> 01:17:43.180
lane there wow absolutely that's why that's why

01:17:43.180 --> 01:17:46.039
that's why i love having him on with live fans

01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:48.359
in general i just I want to hear their stories,

01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:51.960
how they discover the band, you know, coming

01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:54.640
to shows, interacting with us, whatever. And

01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:57.939
they can ask me questions and I can give them

01:17:57.939 --> 01:18:02.520
the real answers if they want that. Well, real

01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:04.479
briefly, because I know we're running over here,

01:18:05.100 --> 01:18:08.079
but so in between wife number one and wife number

01:18:08.079 --> 01:18:11.619
two, when you're having all this rock star fun,

01:18:12.289 --> 01:18:14.210
What makes you get married to the second girl?

01:18:14.270 --> 01:18:16.350
I mean she was gorgeous, so I'm guessing that

01:18:16.350 --> 01:18:18.390
had a lot to do with it But like I feel like

01:18:18.390 --> 01:18:22.409
you could have just been you know racking up

01:18:22.409 --> 01:18:24.930
Well, there was a time where we started dating

01:18:24.930 --> 01:18:27.210
and then we and then I broke up with her because

01:18:27.210 --> 01:18:30.369
I was like I don't want to continue to be Me

01:18:30.369 --> 01:18:33.850
be single. Yeah, and then I just realized that

01:18:33.850 --> 01:18:35.630
you know, it probably wasn't the right move So

01:18:35.630 --> 01:18:38.710
I got three beautiful children out of it. There

01:18:38.710 --> 01:18:43.850
you go. But uh Mostly a good ride. Yeah, I mean

01:18:43.850 --> 01:18:44.970
exactly that's how you gotta look at you got

01:18:44.970 --> 01:18:47.390
three beautiful children out of it And then now

01:18:47.390 --> 01:18:49.329
you get to go back and having some fun. You took

01:18:49.329 --> 01:18:52.189
a break for a little bit, you know I'm no longer

01:18:52.189 --> 01:18:54.689
looking for a wife or a mother for my children.

01:18:54.850 --> 01:19:00.270
So right Let's have fun Being place to be isn't

01:19:00.270 --> 01:19:02.649
it when you don't need a mother. You don't need

01:19:02.649 --> 01:19:04.850
to have a wife. It's a nice freeing freeing place.

01:19:05.189 --> 01:19:08.579
Yes All right, well ladies and gentlemen, this

01:19:08.579 --> 01:19:13.000
was show 10 and we'll be back again next week

01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:17.539
just like we are. We got guests booked up for

01:19:17.539 --> 01:19:21.159
I think until the middle of December. And then

01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:24.300
some people I just haven't got back to yet because

01:19:24.300 --> 01:19:26.739
you guys are a little crazy with direct messages

01:19:26.739 --> 01:19:30.060
and stuff. But we will get to all of you. Thank

01:19:30.060 --> 01:19:33.020
you guys for listening. Please like, share, and

01:19:33.020 --> 01:19:35.859
follow TheGracious2. i don't know if you guys

01:19:35.859 --> 01:19:39.739
saw that we started a new rumble page but god

01:19:39.739 --> 01:19:42.960
forbid facebook or youtube ever fucks with us

01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.260
because they're already throwing violations at

01:19:45.260 --> 01:19:47.659
us for cursing believe it or not profanity i'm

01:19:47.659 --> 01:19:54.420
like are you fucking kidding me yeah at one point

01:19:54.420 --> 01:19:56.439
we might be exclusively on rumble which is cool

01:19:56.439 --> 01:20:00.159
because uh i think it's a cool service and with

01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:02.739
the You know little audience we have i'm sure

01:20:02.739 --> 01:20:04.119
they would follow us over there and we could

01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:06.319
build it from there So that might be a plan going

01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:10.279
down the road people Chat anything you want to

01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:12.840
say these guys these these folks. Thanks as always

01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:16.020
for joining and we'll see you next week Peace

01:20:16.020 --> 01:20:20.079
people, you know, uh, we are the gracious two

01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:22.340
putting the shit in bullshit