The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 012 - Ken Staiduhar

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Setting up done. Okay. Let me go here. Yes Go

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live there Okay So I believe we are live ladies

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and gentlemen, yes technically be live on Rumble

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Facebook, Instagram, YouTube. And I think that's

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it, right? Did I mention four? You said four

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to me earlier. Yeah. Okay. Cool. All right. So

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let's hope we're there. If not, I do apologize,

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but we are going live somewhere. I try exactly.

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Let the audience know we got a bunch of cool

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stuff coming up for you guys. If you are Uh,

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fans of the show, friends, friends of fans of

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the show breaking bad fans of home alone. Uh,

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next week, I believe is December 5th. We do have

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the one and only Larry Hankin, uh, coming on

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to, to chat with us. So that's pretty exciting.

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Larry recognizes face when you see him for sure.

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Exactly. He's one of those, he's one of those

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character actors that, you know, people don't

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know their names, but they recognize their face

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immediately. A hundred percent. He's got a book

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out called That Guy, I think, because... Oh yeah,

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that guy, yeah. That guy! Yeah. So he'll come

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on, tell us all about that. I believe he quit

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Hollywood. He was sick of all the bullshit and

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all that good stuff, so... I don't blame him

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there. Yeah. I spoke to him a while ago. He was

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talking trash on the Friends cast, which was

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kind of cool. Bullshit. Yeah. Is that before

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Matthew Perry passed or after? Yeah, good point.

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I would like to actually talk to him about that.

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Um, yeah, cause that's crazy. Uh, so I know we're

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live on Instagram. I'm hoping the rest are, uh,

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there as well. Uh, if not, I don't know, we'll

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post the video later, but I think we're good.

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Uh, live interaction. People can buy those various,

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various, uh, platforms. Yeah, well, I do see

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that we're at least live on Facebook, live on

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Instagram. So the YouTube and Rumble, I think

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we are. I will double check when we are done,

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but I think we're golden, dude. Prestige worldwide.

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Prestige worldwide. What is this? Boats and hoes.

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Boats and hoes? Step brothers, come on, man.

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Oh, okay. I was like, boats and hoes, when are

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we going? You know? And they sing the song, dude,

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boats and hoes. Oh my God, dude, my memory is

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shot. Like I, I go to rewatch things that I liked

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as a kid and I'm like, this kind of sucks. So

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like, I don't remember it properly. You will

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not be disappointed in rewatching step brothers.

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Come on. That's for sure. That's for sure. Um,

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I think I've seen dumb and dumber, uh, probably

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with Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels, probably over

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a hundred times. That movie is class. It's fucking

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great. Absolutely. So good. Used to be able to

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like quote it as it was going on. I could say

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every every line Let the audience know so our

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young Bobby will be with us shortly. He's at

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the doctors getting his Balls chopped off. He's

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becoming young Roberta Yeah, yeah, and then we

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also have a fun show with Ken I believe you say

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stay to her, but I'm not a hundred percent on

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that. He's a fan of live He's been a fan since

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the thrown copper days, been to a bunch of shows.

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Uh, so that'll be fun to catch up with him. Talk

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to him. Yeah. We got this, uh, guy Dylan down

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in South Africa that wants to come on me because

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we mentioned South Africa. Yeah. He wants to

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tell us about it. So I gotta, we gotta get that,

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get it booked on here, dude. I like his first

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hand experience of what's going on down there

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that we don't hear about over here. Absolutely.

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That'd be a good to get some firsthand knowledge

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on that, but So I looked into it a little bit

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after you mentioned it. Yeah. Not looking too,

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uh, too cool over there, man. It seems like,

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uh, people are taking lands back from, uh, farmers

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and stuff like that. And they're giving it to

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people who don't know how to form. So like, yeah,

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the immediate doesn't look horrible, but the,

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you know, further you go starts to look really

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crazy. Yeah. The same thing happened in another

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African country. And I can't remember the name

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right now. Tanzania or something like that. Maybe

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not Tanzania. Anyway, so they gave the farmland

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from the white farmers to the black farmers,

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the indigenous, whatever, and they didn't know

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how to farm. So that's freaking famine. Yeah.

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It's like, okay, well, it's where equity becomes

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dangerous to populations. Very good point. Guess

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I'm just naive to the world, but I was watching

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this Zac Efron Like kind of documentary on Netflix

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the first season he went to like a bunch of different

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countries and stuff like that and then I think

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the second season he was stuck in Australia when

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9 -eleven had first 9 -eleven when kovat had

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first hit and He fell in love with Australia,

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but I didn't realize that Australia was basically

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had indigenous, I guess everywhere has like we

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did to the native Americans, the Euro. Oh yeah,

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the aboriginals. Yes. Yes. Yeah. The Europeans

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did to their aboriginals, which is, uh, I wonder

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why you don't hear that. Like you always hear

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how horrible it was for the native Americans,

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but you don't really hear. And Australia wasn't

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founded like that. You know, they didn't do this

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like that much before America or like it shouldn't

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be lost to history. But I guess, I don't know

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if they don't teach it or something, or I'm just

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stupid. I'm not sure, but I kind of, they cover

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pretty well there. I mean, you know about it

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when you're there. Yeah. Um, but they have, I

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mean, they seem to have great respect for the

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Aboriginal people now they're, uh, yeah. I mean,

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it's just not something to teach here in America.

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Yeah, I guess so. Because they were like, well,

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I figured they would because it's not like my

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story would be if I was America. Well, look,

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yeah, we did do this shitty thing, but so did

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everybody else, you know, like I would kind of.

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Right. That in there it's it's the conquerors

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and the conquered. It's it's what happens. Yeah,

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unfortunately. Yeah, that's how history works.

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Right. And then after time, like almost with

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this is touchy. So I'm going to kind of walk

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slowly, but almost like Israel, where the Israelites

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once were in biblical times and then, you know,

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cast out of their land, Palestine was formed.

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And then, you know, they came back, which maybe

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that's the first time you hear of that like the

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indigenous people coming back and You know, I

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guess that's not working out too. Well As we

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can see there is some peace and truce talks as

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we as we see going on right now Yeah, I mean

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It's it's the typical it's turning in almost

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turning into the typical cycle over there where

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they do peace and true stars talks and then a

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mastery groups rebuilds and then attacks again.

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And it's like, you know, it's never ending, never

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ending. Well, they're saying even with this peace

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and true, so they could exchange hostages and

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whatnot that the area itself is just going crazy.

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Like all the humanitarian trucks coming in or

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getting bombarded by people trying to like get

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to them before they get to where they're going.

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And it's just over there. Well, ultimately happens

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with those humanitarian trucks is that they get

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confiscated by Hamas fighters, and then they

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start taking the shit that they want and giving

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out what's left over to the people. Right. That's

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what happens. Right. Generally. And I mean, again,

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of course, I'm not pro anybody getting attacked

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first or anything. I'm just I'm just laying out

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facts and stuff that I've heard, because I think

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horrible for Hamas and some Palestinians to attack

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Israel. Uh, but, uh, just the history that I'm

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hearing is in, I guess, 47, 47, 1947, 1948, uh,

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England had kind of, um, said that they should

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have, I believe 47 % of Israel or 48 % of Israel,

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something like that. Uh, Israel, Israelites flute,

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you know, started to go there and stuff. This

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is after world war two. Um, because they were

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kind of warned before World War II, like the

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world hates you, you guys need to come back to

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your homeland. Some listened, most didn't, but

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then after World War II, they started to flock.

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And then it went up to, I think they took 80

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% by 1967. And then too long after that is when

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they took a hundred percent. So supposedly, Hamas

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and Palestine want to go back to the 1967 borders.

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They don't want the whole thing. They want just

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like the 1967 borders, which was, uh, 80%, um,

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is Israeli and then the 20 % Palestine. I think

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that the, that the PLO was into that at some

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point, but it seems like Hamas is there. They're

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dictated to destroy Israel and kill all Israel

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likes. Yeah, Israelis. I should say so. Yeah,

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I wish that would be great if they could figure

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out some kind of solution, but I think Hamas

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is There for the death of all Israel is really

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it shows what the Israeli government is doing

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is effective I mean, you know, they pretty much

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shut that place down in weeks to where You know,

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I mean they flattened it with bombs. They sent

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in their their troops and stuff And if they didn't

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take the, you know, their foot off of their neck,

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uh, you know, the, the, I guess the whole thing

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could end relatively quicker, but there's a lot

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of innocent people there that didn't take a day

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warning to, to bounce, which if you live. I mean,

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in the defense of those people, like they didn't

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have really anywhere to go. Like, you know, there's

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the border with Israel, which is 90 % of the

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border with Gaza. Then there's like 10 % border

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with Egypt, and Egypt doesn't like the Palestinians

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either. So they won't let them out or run into

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Egypt. So that's kind of a no -win for those

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people over there, which is definitely sad for

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the innocent people. That's fucking sad. A hundred

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percent. And they're saying like, you know, well,

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Israel and Jewish people and Muslims have been

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fighting forever. They're never going to get

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along. But Israel gets along with Saudi Arabia.

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There's Muslim people there. Jordan along with

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Jordan, Egypt, Egypt. Yeah. What's up, Bob? Bobby.

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Bobby. How are you guys doing? How are you doing?

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Good. Good. Good information from the doctor.

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Yes. Good. Good. Good. Well, you got to keep

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your nuts. Yeah. Sweet. Yeah. But I'm taking

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them. There you go. I love it. All right. I do

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want to play before our next guest comes on,

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something that I was trying to do last week.

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Let me see if I could get to this. Go on a nice

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little light note here, because, you know, I'm

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all about doom and mother bleeping gloom. Let's

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see. If I can make miracles happen. Boom. Share

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sound. Okay. All right. Let me see. Yeah. Nice.

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I'm here with Martin Maron and I just want to

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say this. I love this band. I love this next

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band and they have two members. How's that sound

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guys? Sounds okay. The video stopped. Okay, I

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just I stopped it myself just to make sure everybody

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could listen here and okay. Yeah sound fine John

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Stewart with yeah lonely lie Chad which makes

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me love them even more ladies who Chad performing

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I alone from the album throwing copper, please

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welcome live Alright now the reason why I'm playing

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this I just want the audience to fucking feel

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this magic with these four people on stage because

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it's fucking amazing It's the magic, baby. Is

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there supposed to be video? There's no video.

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No, there's no video. It's frozen on John Stewart

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there. Shit. What about? And the audio is kind

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of like. Wow. In and out sort of. Stop this.

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My God. It's like, come on people. I can't use

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that thing easy. Okay, there. I'll try this one

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more time. Share. And if this doesn't work, I'm

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going to throw out Zoom completely and we'll

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just be using Restream. But let me know if y

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'all can see this. Does that show Chad? There's

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video, I can see that. And now is it playing

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sound? There's sound, but it's wacky. Jesus.

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I wanna know why. Yeah, it's just frozen. It's

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strange. You know why? Because I don't, I gotta

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give all this stuff to our young Bobby before

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I, you know. Go on my own here because it seems

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like every time he shares. It's good So next

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week ladies and gentlemen, i'll keep pushing.

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I'll see you next week. Yeah Um, I do can he

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go can he go find that on youtube and play it

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probably Probably I just don't know where he's

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at in his journeys because he was coming. Yeah,

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i'm here. I'm here Uh, look for that live. I

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alone john stewart show. Okay Uh, and in the

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meantime, let me see if I could play this Yeah.

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Uh, Chad, did you see, uh, do you watch UFC at

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all or MMA? Once in a while. Yeah. I mean, sometimes.

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And Ken, I see you on there. I'm going to let

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you in in one second, buddy. Uh, did you hear

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about this Sean Strickland guy who some dude

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was trying something by his car and he came out

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and like fucking pulled the gun and then knock

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them, knock them down and almost out, I think.

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Oh, no. All right. Let me see. Share this little

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video. Uh, Sean Strickland pulled the gun or?

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Yeah, this is cool. Check this out. I think Sean

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can assault him with his hands. That's a deadly

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weapon. Absolutely good. There we go. So this

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guy, you see him sneaking around the car. Now

00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.600
he gets in between the cars. Right. Kind of go

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down. It's frozen for me. I don't know if it's

00:15:54.019 --> 00:15:55.899
frozen for everybody, but it's frozen for me.

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Maybe it's just me. Yeah. Well, I don't know.

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I'm going to have to check on that, but, uh,

00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:03.379
it was just cool, dude. He comes as soon as he

00:16:03.379 --> 00:16:07.440
sees that he just comes running out. Um, uh,

00:16:07.539 --> 00:16:10.799
that should work, Bobby. Um, We're going to watch

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a performance of I Alone from 1997. Your Howard

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Stern Show, baby. There you go. First time we're

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on Howard. Yes. I got no sound, Bobby. When you

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share, you got to click that share with sound

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button. So you might have to stop and then restart.

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Do you hear it now? I hear you, but not the show.

00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:31.379
When you share, you got to click that little

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share sound button before you actually share.

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So you click share screen and then it says, you

00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:39.860
know, uh clicks down so you have to stop sharing

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and redo it i think i'll stop your share it's

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fine yeah uh apologize out there ladies and gentlemen

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we're not having the uh technical technical difficulties

00:16:57.340 --> 00:17:07.339
uh yeah we got it here we go full screen me Really

00:17:07.339 --> 00:17:08.960
didn't know how to do anything, right? So we

00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.480
learned how to do it together and although the

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ideas come from all four of us You know in any

00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:15.579
different time, so there's no rules. I'm like

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one Megalomania There you go. Yes. Yeah, here

00:17:19.740 --> 00:17:40.789
we go. Here's live everybody in the church by

00:17:40.789 --> 00:17:49.390
and by. I'll wait till you hear Savior. When

00:17:49.390 --> 00:17:55.329
you need Him, your boat is at sea. When your

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anchor is up, you've been swept away. And the

00:18:00.809 --> 00:18:23.700
greatest of teachers won't hesitate. So now we

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pause here, guys? Yeah, please. I think if we

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go above 30 seconds, flag our episode and shut

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it down for copyright material, even though we

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have one of the original members on the show.

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We have the original member of one of the copyright

00:19:02.509 --> 00:19:04.890
holders. Yes, that's right. I give permission

00:19:04.890 --> 00:19:07.819
to use it. But Chad, did we hear what he said

00:19:07.819 --> 00:19:10.500
in the beginning, how diplomatic he was being

00:19:10.500 --> 00:19:13.240
about the songwriting process? I mean, that's

00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:15.859
how it used to be. I mean, we get in a room,

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and someone would bring in an idea, and we fucking

00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:19.779
flesh it out. I mean, obviously, Ed always wrote

00:19:19.779 --> 00:19:22.240
the lyrics and melody. Always, always, always.

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There was never a, you know, any kind of thought

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about anyone else trying to claim that he did

00:19:31.980 --> 00:19:34.240
not write the lyrics and melody. Now, I mean,

00:19:34.259 --> 00:19:36.930
I think his big issue was Well, CT was that.

00:19:37.089 --> 00:19:40.289
CT would say, I wrote Selling Drama. I wrote

00:19:40.289 --> 00:19:42.930
I Alone. He wouldn't say, I wrote the guitar

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part that became that song, you know? Right.

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Which, I mean, I see his point of view, sort

00:19:49.869 --> 00:19:52.609
of, but you can't take soul writing credit for

00:19:52.609 --> 00:19:56.589
it, but that's a huge chunk of, you know, let's

00:19:56.589 --> 00:19:58.849
just say the guitar part for Selling the Drama.

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I mean, that's a huge part of that song. I mean,

00:20:02.509 --> 00:20:06.119
it really defines and let's Ed go into what he's

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doing. So I see both sides of it. I would never

00:20:09.579 --> 00:20:13.119
see him take sole credit for writing music, but

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I could totally see him saying, yeah, I was a

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huge part of it. And I, and I helped develop

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the song, maybe not the melody lyrics, but those

00:20:21.740 --> 00:20:23.279
melodies. And then it's, you know, and then it's

00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:25.519
arguable would, would it be the same song if

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I didn't play the drum part the way I played

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it or made up or Patrick didn't play his bass

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part, you know, it's the magic of the four people

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is what made, what made us great. And you, I

00:20:35.420 --> 00:20:38.299
mean, you even have, uh, you know, do you, I

00:20:38.299 --> 00:20:42.140
mean, listen to Nirvana pre Dave Grohl. Right.

00:20:42.180 --> 00:20:45.519
Uh, Chad, I forget the guy's name. Chad Channing.

00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:47.599
Chad Channing. Thank you. Yes. I mean, he's a

00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:50.720
good drummer, but Dave Grohl comes along and

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it's like, holy fuck. It's like, there you go.

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A hundred percent, dude. I mean, that, that without,

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I mean, that goes without saying when people

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talk about the rhythm section of live, they always

00:21:02.059 --> 00:21:05.349
say how important Uh, you know you and patrick

00:21:05.349 --> 00:21:08.069
were to the bend. I mean your drum beats are

00:21:08.069 --> 00:21:11.069
original Your you know, your timing stuff is

00:21:11.069 --> 00:21:12.930
original same with patrick. I mean, he's not

00:21:12.930 --> 00:21:15.829
playing the same old That that breakdown and

00:21:15.829 --> 00:21:19.369
I alone dude on bass and drums is fucking ridiculous

00:21:19.369 --> 00:21:22.670
part of my french But ben and i mean, it's it's

00:21:22.670 --> 00:21:25.329
absolutely insane. Uh before my boner gets any

00:21:25.329 --> 00:21:30.279
bigger i'm going to uh admit ken I believe it's

00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:32.220
stay to her, but I could be pronouncing that

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wrong. Ken, if you're out there, buddy, am I

00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:37.599
pronouncing your name right? There he is. Here

00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:40.700
I am. It's stay to her. Stay to her. There we

00:21:40.700 --> 00:21:42.660
go. I didn't hear you. I didn't hear how you

00:21:42.660 --> 00:21:44.839
pronounce it, so I didn't know if you got it

00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:47.180
right or not, but most people don't, so. He said

00:21:47.180 --> 00:21:49.619
stay to her. He was pretty close. Stay to her.

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Up in her. Yep. That's my Jersey accent coming

00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:57.349
out there. There you go. What's up, Ken? I'm

00:21:57.349 --> 00:21:59.890
doing great, man. It's an honor to sit and talk

00:21:59.890 --> 00:22:01.369
with you a little bit. Thanks for the time. Awesome,

00:22:01.490 --> 00:22:02.990
man. Well, it's great to have you. We appreciate

00:22:02.990 --> 00:22:05.089
it. Yeah, I'm going to ask you lots of hard questions

00:22:05.089 --> 00:22:09.309
today. Hard ones, huh? Oh, boy. My job becomes

00:22:09.309 --> 00:22:13.450
easy when Ken's on. I love it. Before you get

00:22:13.450 --> 00:22:17.049
going, man, when did you become aware of Live

00:22:17.049 --> 00:22:20.990
and when did you become a fan? Yeah, it was really

00:22:20.990 --> 00:22:26.490
all in the same, really, 1994, throwing copper.

00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:29.339
Selling the drama was the first song I remember

00:22:29.339 --> 00:22:33.339
hearing on the radio. Yeah, I was hooked immediately.

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And then to this day, I still remember the I

00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:41.619
Alone video and going, what in the world? And

00:22:41.619 --> 00:22:44.359
that was just hooked ever since. That to me,

00:22:46.619 --> 00:22:49.019
one of the best albums ever made. Forget about

00:22:49.019 --> 00:22:53.440
90s, forget about genre. Start to finish. That

00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:55.900
thing is just, there's not a weak song on it.

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Correct. That was on purpose. That's back when

00:23:01.619 --> 00:23:03.319
people were making records and we wanted to make

00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:07.500
the best record we could. And that was the thing

00:23:07.500 --> 00:23:10.200
that stuck out was, back then, you know the music

00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:13.279
business more than me, Chad, but a lot of times

00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:17.940
you'd spend whatever 14 bucks, 15 bucks on a

00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:21.259
CD because you heard one song on the radio and

00:23:21.259 --> 00:23:24.059
that one song on the radio was the only song

00:23:24.059 --> 00:23:28.490
that was worth it. anything. Yeah, yeah. I mean,

00:23:28.589 --> 00:23:31.849
that's the music industry sort of kicked itself

00:23:31.849 --> 00:23:33.890
in the ass back then with doing that because

00:23:33.890 --> 00:23:36.869
there were some artists making great albums,

00:23:36.869 --> 00:23:39.289
right? And there were most of the artists were

00:23:39.289 --> 00:23:42.150
making one good song and then the fluffy bullshit

00:23:42.150 --> 00:23:45.029
for the rest of it. And they were like, put it

00:23:45.029 --> 00:23:49.549
out. Yeah, make the money. Yeah. So, yeah, John,

00:23:50.250 --> 00:23:52.670
that was it, man. I've been on board since then

00:23:52.670 --> 00:23:56.559
through the good and the bad and It's just a

00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:58.259
little surreal to be sitting here right now.

00:23:58.299 --> 00:24:01.400
And I can't thank you guys enough for that. Pleasure.

00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:04.799
You're very welcome. Now, because you mentioned

00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:06.799
selling the drama was, I guess, one of the first

00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:10.599
songs you heard. Yeah. Can you imagine that that

00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:13.799
band could technically be selling the drama years

00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:17.200
later? Because here's my thought about the whole

00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:20.539
thing is they were like four friends from grade

00:24:20.539 --> 00:24:24.869
school. So my thought as a fan was these guys

00:24:24.869 --> 00:24:27.369
will never break up they know each other too

00:24:27.369 --> 00:24:29.930
well it's they'll never have that regular band

00:24:29.930 --> 00:24:33.470
history they're boys but in then in all reality

00:24:33.470 --> 00:24:36.430
somebody said to me well like who do you talk

00:24:36.430 --> 00:24:39.549
to from grade school and get along with and i

00:24:39.549 --> 00:24:43.130
was like wow that's a great point yeah i happen

00:24:43.130 --> 00:24:45.869
to actually have yeah bobby's one of them but

00:24:45.869 --> 00:24:48.710
i happen to have a couple more but i'm a rare

00:24:48.710 --> 00:24:51.630
breed dude most people don't even remember their

00:24:51.630 --> 00:24:53.900
grade school partners let alone get along with

00:24:53.900 --> 00:24:55.740
them and tour with them and be with them every

00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:58.680
night. So that made sense. Well, I mean, yes,

00:24:58.779 --> 00:25:01.460
we, yeah, I mean, the bomb was pretty strong

00:25:01.460 --> 00:25:05.720
until around 2002, three, somewhere there for

00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:07.700
that started disintegrating, but that's, that's

00:25:07.700 --> 00:25:09.319
because we were still dealing with each other

00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:13.759
as, as kids, not, not as men. Right. You know,

00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:18.619
and then the breakup came, that was ridiculous.

00:25:19.299 --> 00:25:22.660
And It's just, you know, it's a trip. I, when

00:25:22.660 --> 00:25:25.319
we came back together at 16, I told, I told Chad

00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:27.740
Taylor and I told Patrick and I told, try to

00:25:27.740 --> 00:25:29.319
tell management. I'm like, listen, we need to

00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:32.039
do therapy, band therapy right now. Like some

00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:34.319
kind of monster. I don't care if we film it or

00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:37.920
don't film it, but like band therapy, dude, nobody

00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.240
wanted to do it. I'm like, okay, good. This is,

00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:43.920
this is going to end up great. So you saw the

00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:45.359
writing on the wall. I mean, yeah, if you guys

00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:47.420
go through that much trauma and then just get

00:25:47.420 --> 00:25:49.279
back together without really doing the healing

00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:51.950
process. Uh, I mean, I think you were a hundred

00:25:51.950 --> 00:25:54.529
percent correct. And for people listening, I

00:25:54.529 --> 00:25:56.769
think this could still be something that happens

00:25:56.769 --> 00:25:58.630
down the road. You know, I don't think this needs

00:25:58.630 --> 00:26:02.029
to be lost on the 2016 reunion. We'll see. Who

00:26:02.029 --> 00:26:04.289
knows? I mean, it's, I mean, what happens, what

00:26:04.289 --> 00:26:06.250
has to happen if we ever come back together is

00:26:06.250 --> 00:26:10.230
that that therapy absolutely 100%. Yeah. And

00:26:10.230 --> 00:26:12.750
all the grievances, get all the bullshit out

00:26:12.750 --> 00:26:16.390
on the table. If I can try to heal from it, whatever.

00:26:16.990 --> 00:26:20.160
Be sorry for shit that was done. Be sorry. you

00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.599
know, there's a whole bunch of healing that needs

00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:25.240
to go on. But, you know, fingers crossed that

00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:28.819
that happens because, like I said, we were trying

00:26:28.819 --> 00:26:33.339
to play some video of the four of them from early

00:26:33.339 --> 00:26:36.559
days. And just the magic that happens on stage

00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:41.339
is crazy. It's Fab Four -esque, in my opinion.

00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:43.960
That's one of the things I was thinking about

00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:50.670
last night was how Watching them on MTV unplugged.

00:26:50.670 --> 00:26:54.369
Yeah to me was probably what my parents felt

00:26:54.369 --> 00:26:57.190
like watching the Beatles on Ed Sullivan Yeah,

00:26:57.190 --> 00:27:00.410
I don't know, but it was just that powerful to

00:27:00.410 --> 00:27:03.009
me and you guys were just so tight musically

00:27:03.009 --> 00:27:09.089
so tight It was just I mean second to none really

00:27:09.089 --> 00:27:16.519
Me too Four dudes from York, Pennsylvania. Like,

00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:18.640
I don't know where the Beatles were in England.

00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:20.700
Like, I don't think they're all from the same

00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:22.700
town. You know what I'm saying? To have that

00:27:22.700 --> 00:27:26.599
much talent in fucking York, Pennsylvania, dude,

00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:29.420
is crazy. There's a few bands like that. U2 was

00:27:29.420 --> 00:27:32.160
all from the same place. You know, they've done

00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.759
some great things. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's the

00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:39.920
key, right? Yeah. You all kind of have a similar

00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:43.480
idea of the world at that point. And, you know,

00:27:43.609 --> 00:27:47.109
You're young enough to not be swayed by the,

00:27:47.109 --> 00:27:50.250
by the shit out there. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

00:27:50.250 --> 00:27:54.130
Yeah. I was going to say something, but I just

00:27:54.130 --> 00:27:56.750
got a text message said saying that I shouldn't

00:27:56.750 --> 00:28:00.109
blame the band problems on the lines. I got that

00:28:00.109 --> 00:28:03.029
too. And I was just going to bring that up. Uh,

00:28:03.029 --> 00:28:05.509
everybody, I would never because it's not him.

00:28:06.230 --> 00:28:07.990
Everybody's such a bill hater out there. I'm

00:28:07.990 --> 00:28:10.509
sure you've heard this Ken on all. Oh yeah. Yeah.

00:28:11.230 --> 00:28:14.250
And I've got to like meet the guy break bread

00:28:14.250 --> 00:28:16.829
with him. He's a really cool dude I could tell

00:28:16.829 --> 00:28:18.970
people straight off the bat like all right, you're

00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:21.349
a little bit of a dick But like bill doesn't

00:28:21.349 --> 00:28:23.369
seem to have that in him if you fucking cross

00:28:23.369 --> 00:28:27.829
him. Yes, he's gonna come out 100 % But he's

00:28:27.829 --> 00:28:30.349
just he's just a business guy. He's a cool dude.

00:28:30.369 --> 00:28:32.730
He's uh, you know, some but even though he doesn't

00:28:32.730 --> 00:28:35.670
really drink He's somebody I want to drink. He

00:28:35.670 --> 00:28:40.400
doesn't drink at all. Never has Drinking or drugging,

00:28:40.579 --> 00:28:42.619
so I was doing all that at his apartment in the

00:28:42.619 --> 00:28:47.460
studio. Nice. I'm joking, I was drinking though.

00:28:47.779 --> 00:28:50.140
So let's get to Ken's questions. We've covered

00:28:50.140 --> 00:28:53.240
that, all this other stuff. What do you got,

00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:56.640
buddy? One of the things that, Chad, I noticed

00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.460
kind of through the life of the band was Starting

00:29:00.460 --> 00:29:03.059
out with metal jewelry throwing copper even secret

00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:05.819
samadhi there were such loud and kind of sonic

00:29:05.819 --> 00:29:10.500
guitars and the drums were so prevalent and such

00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:13.099
Not being a musician. It might be hard for me

00:29:13.099 --> 00:29:16.539
to describe but the drums were right there and

00:29:16.539 --> 00:29:21.740
they were Almost moving the song forward by themselves

00:29:21.740 --> 00:29:26.460
and then as you kind of moved into you know birds

00:29:26.460 --> 00:29:31.279
of prey and and five and Black Mountain, the

00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:33.559
sound changed a lot. It became a lot more acoustic,

00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:39.740
a lot more, I would say, watered down. You know,

00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:43.640
I don't want to offend you, Chad. It lost its

00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:46.640
edge, maybe. And that edge came back. with The

00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:49.059
Gracious Few, My God, and then the album you

00:29:49.059 --> 00:29:51.819
guys did with Shin were mind -blowing again.

00:29:52.140 --> 00:29:55.660
So it was almost like you guys took it back to

00:29:55.660 --> 00:29:57.920
where things started from a sonic standpoint.

00:29:58.279 --> 00:29:59.740
And I was just wondering if maybe you could talk

00:29:59.740 --> 00:30:01.359
about that a little bit. Was that attributable

00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:06.140
to songwriting or growing older? There was a,

00:30:06.220 --> 00:30:09.279
well, I mean, for us, it was, I mean, for me

00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:11.019
personally, it was just a songwriting thing.

00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:15.980
Those, after Distance to Here, Ed decided he

00:30:15.980 --> 00:30:17.700
wanted to stop writing with Chad Taylor, and

00:30:17.700 --> 00:30:21.579
so he would just bring his ideas without anyone

00:30:21.579 --> 00:30:27.180
else's, I don't know, say so in them to the sessions

00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:30.460
or even just to show up and play when we're making

00:30:30.460 --> 00:30:34.599
the record. So it was mostly, it's just all Ed's

00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.019
ideas and they were arranged and everything,

00:30:37.180 --> 00:30:39.519
and all we had to do was play along. And Chad,

00:30:39.700 --> 00:30:41.740
I think you're right. That's part of it, I think.

00:30:42.589 --> 00:30:45.049
I think around the time Ken's talking about is

00:30:45.049 --> 00:30:47.849
almost when you went behind the cage during the

00:30:47.849 --> 00:30:51.569
concerts. Uh, yeah, there was that too. And that

00:30:51.569 --> 00:30:54.349
wasn't your idea. It was no, hell no. I fucking

00:30:54.349 --> 00:30:56.049
hated that shit. It felt like a damn monkey.

00:30:56.109 --> 00:30:59.430
Um, it was, you know, it was, it was, I mean,

00:30:59.430 --> 00:31:02.670
at that point, I think that was kind of running

00:31:02.670 --> 00:31:05.190
the band and that's, that's the direction he

00:31:05.190 --> 00:31:06.970
kind of wanted to go. We were sort of aiming

00:31:06.970 --> 00:31:09.910
for like adult contemporary rock at that point.

00:31:09.910 --> 00:31:14.180
Yeah. And I was like, no. And so the gracious

00:31:14.180 --> 00:31:18.440
shoe was a direct assault against that. Yeah.

00:31:18.980 --> 00:31:21.200
And, you know, it was basically the three of

00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:23.740
us, Patrick Chad and I was able to fucking write

00:31:23.740 --> 00:31:26.500
songs the way we used to. Yeah. So when Kevin

00:31:26.500 --> 00:31:29.960
was all in, Sean, Sean was all in as well. So

00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:32.440
we just rocked it out. And then Shin was the

00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:35.079
same thing. It was like we it's funny because

00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:39.579
we with with the turn. We basically went back

00:31:39.579 --> 00:31:41.279
and just like, okay, what are we doing throwing

00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:43.599
copper? Like so excited kind of modeled some

00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:46.859
of the songs off of throwing copper Yeah, you

00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:48.500
could definitely hear it. You could hear it for

00:31:48.500 --> 00:31:52.259
sure and And then you know Shin Shin was his

00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:54.799
own thing and he's great singer, but he was you

00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:58.400
know, his his issue was he just I don't think

00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.079
we did a whole show where he remembered all the

00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:03.839
lyrics. So that was a problem Yeah, and like

00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:06.339
I said great singer great performer great guy

00:32:07.009 --> 00:32:11.390
love him as a person still do but uh and then

00:32:11.390 --> 00:32:12.789
you know and then it was time for ed to come

00:32:12.789 --> 00:32:17.650
back so this is just the way things went when

00:32:17.650 --> 00:32:22.150
ed came back was your expectation that this was

00:32:22.150 --> 00:32:24.690
going to be kind of snapped back right to 2009

00:32:24.690 --> 00:32:27.470
when you guys called it a hiatus or were you

00:32:27.470 --> 00:32:30.250
hoping and thinking that there's maybe reason

00:32:30.250 --> 00:32:32.960
to think this could be what the band was back

00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:35.059
in its during it. Well, I was very hopeful it

00:32:35.059 --> 00:32:37.740
was going to be what it was. I was hopeful we

00:32:37.740 --> 00:32:39.359
were going to get in a room and fucking play,

00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:43.359
you know, rock out songs again. Yeah. And we

00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:47.880
never did that. And then that EP got made with

00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:52.099
out you. Robin's situation, fucking Chad, you

00:32:52.099 --> 00:32:54.940
know, had gave those songs to Robin, let him

00:32:54.940 --> 00:32:57.059
play on them. I never even heard those songs.

00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:59.119
Never even got a chance to like play on them.

00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.420
And then he started telling management and internally

00:33:02.420 --> 00:33:04.799
in the band that I lost my edge and I couldn't

00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:08.579
play anymore and make up drum parts. I'm just

00:33:08.579 --> 00:33:14.519
like, what the fuck is happening to me? And then

00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:15.880
I had to go along with the lie that I played

00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.740
on that record. It was just like, this is so

00:33:18.740 --> 00:33:24.700
fucked up. This is ridiculous. Sorry, John. No,

00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:26.220
it's all good, Ken. I just have a quick question.

00:33:26.420 --> 00:33:29.670
Did you guys ever... Cause I feel like all the

00:33:29.670 --> 00:33:33.069
fan feedback was like, can't these guys get back

00:33:33.069 --> 00:33:35.769
to throwing copper and that hard stuff? Like,

00:33:35.869 --> 00:33:38.769
did you guys hear that in the band or was that

00:33:38.769 --> 00:33:41.750
just the fans kind of outside saying it? Cause

00:33:41.750 --> 00:33:45.170
it was said pretty loud. Like, Oh, I heard that.

00:33:45.390 --> 00:33:48.450
I knew that. I'm sure everyone else did, but

00:33:48.450 --> 00:33:50.990
you know, there's, there's personalities in the

00:33:50.990 --> 00:33:52.509
band that, you know, they, they think they know

00:33:52.509 --> 00:33:56.359
best. So that's what they want to do. Yeah. They

00:33:56.359 --> 00:34:00.680
are that they don't have certain people just

00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:02.559
have no one around them anymore. Telling them,

00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:06.240
no, it's all yes, man. Can I make a complete

00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.920
story in my head and just see if, if this sounds

00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:13.000
about right. It seems to me that you all four

00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:16.179
were working so well together and you know, there

00:34:16.179 --> 00:34:19.639
wasn't much talk about you guys writing music

00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.739
separately and stuff, but it seems like once

00:34:23.070 --> 00:34:25.929
Chad Taylor started saying like soul that he

00:34:25.929 --> 00:34:28.809
wrote some of these songs solo style that it

00:34:28.809 --> 00:34:32.590
almost put an Ego on ed to be like, oh really?

00:34:32.730 --> 00:34:34.670
Well now I'm gonna show you that none of your

00:34:34.670 --> 00:34:36.449
songs are gonna be on an album and it's gonna

00:34:36.449 --> 00:34:40.369
be all my shit And we're doing it this way. Oh,

00:34:40.369 --> 00:34:42.510
that's 100 % what happened I mean, but that started

00:34:42.510 --> 00:34:45.849
in the 90s and yeah during copper or Chad would

00:34:45.849 --> 00:34:47.929
give an interview and say I wrote something drama

00:34:47.929 --> 00:34:51.699
I wrote this and that would piss off Ed, and

00:34:51.699 --> 00:34:53.320
I don't know if they had actually had conversations

00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.159
about it, which they should have as men, or we

00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:56.579
should have had a fucking band meeting about

00:34:56.579 --> 00:34:59.440
it, whatever. Never did that. And then, like

00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.159
I said, around 1999, 2000, Ed's like, I'm not

00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:05.340
writing with you anymore. Yeah. And that never

00:35:05.340 --> 00:35:09.820
said why that I know of. Yeah. But you can read

00:35:09.820 --> 00:35:12.019
between the lines and go, yeah, so you can't

00:35:12.019 --> 00:35:15.719
take credit for anything, you know, which is

00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.280
its own kind of egotistical bullshit, but hey,

00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:22.469
whatever. Yes. I mean, you get it to some point

00:35:22.469 --> 00:35:26.329
of view, but the more mature approach is, yo,

00:35:26.449 --> 00:35:28.150
let's have a conversation about this, dude. Why

00:35:28.150 --> 00:35:31.570
are you taking credit for shit that either we

00:35:31.570 --> 00:35:34.090
wrote together or you just came up with the guitar

00:35:34.090 --> 00:35:36.610
part. And to say you just came up with the guitar

00:35:36.610 --> 00:35:38.610
part, like I said, for a song like selling the

00:35:38.610 --> 00:35:41.869
drama or lightning crashes, that guitar part

00:35:41.869 --> 00:35:44.949
is a huge part of the song. You know, it's not.

00:35:45.889 --> 00:35:48.469
Yeah, it's not just like you're adding a solo

00:35:48.469 --> 00:35:51.349
over these chords that are put together. That's

00:35:51.349 --> 00:35:53.269
you know, that's the meat That's a big chunk

00:35:53.269 --> 00:35:55.989
of the song that's you know being written by

00:35:55.989 --> 00:35:58.710
I'm guessing Chad Taylor I think ed wrote lightning

00:35:58.710 --> 00:36:00.190
crashes, but I'm just saying like selling the

00:36:00.190 --> 00:36:04.849
drama stuff that there's very Iconic guitar parts

00:36:04.849 --> 00:36:09.070
that really make up that song yes points of view,

00:36:09.090 --> 00:36:12.940
but I think if they spoke like men and like Something

00:36:12.940 --> 00:36:15.440
like this, you know where it's a long -form conversation

00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.099
They could both get their thoughts out and Ed

00:36:17.099 --> 00:36:19.719
says well there I don't like you taking solo

00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.820
credit because I also wrote these lyrics came

00:36:21.820 --> 00:36:23.980
up with the melodies so you know like there could

00:36:23.980 --> 00:36:26.739
just be conversation rather than all this hate

00:36:26.739 --> 00:36:29.659
building up and egos getting inflated and all

00:36:29.659 --> 00:36:33.139
this shit like I think From outside looking in

00:36:33.139 --> 00:36:36.679
that your your band's problems like are technically

00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:38.800
so solvable. You know what I'm saying? Nobody

00:36:39.389 --> 00:36:42.230
Stab the other person's mother or or shit like

00:36:42.230 --> 00:36:44.429
that. I know crazy shit went on But it just seems

00:36:44.429 --> 00:36:47.269
like you could have some some therapy and shit

00:36:47.269 --> 00:36:51.750
like that. I agree. I agree. Totally. I mean

00:36:51.750 --> 00:36:57.849
therapy And film it why not like fucking let's

00:36:57.849 --> 00:37:01.489
do it that's what I would do. Yeah. Yeah I was

00:37:01.489 --> 00:37:03.530
told, uh, I was told like Talladega nights, like

00:37:03.530 --> 00:37:05.250
we're going to get back together. We're never,

00:37:05.449 --> 00:37:06.889
we're not going to bring up the past. We're just

00:37:06.889 --> 00:37:09.070
going to bury deep down inside and never talk

00:37:09.070 --> 00:37:11.510
about it. That's that was basically the edict

00:37:11.510 --> 00:37:15.349
from Chad once, once, uh, to Patrick and I once,

00:37:15.349 --> 00:37:17.670
uh, that came back. I was like, Oh, this is gonna

00:37:17.670 --> 00:37:21.570
be fucking great. Of course he wanted that for

00:37:21.570 --> 00:37:25.809
sure. Um, but I mean, that's not the way it's,

00:37:25.909 --> 00:37:27.909
you can't just, uh, think about if you did that

00:37:27.909 --> 00:37:31.539
to a girl you dated, you know, you guys. It had

00:37:31.539 --> 00:37:33.760
such a horrible ending and then you got back

00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:34.960
together and said, you know what? We're not gonna

00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:36.679
work on anything in the past. We're just gonna

00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:40.840
go forward not happening, right? Exactly. Yeah,

00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:43.340
it doesn't work with anybody for anything for

00:37:43.340 --> 00:37:48.300
anything to be sustainable at least Ken have

00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:51.320
you heard the unreleased songs that it's that

00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:55.380
that were Gonna be on the new album not the EP

00:37:55.380 --> 00:37:59.610
that came out in between. Oh my god Uh, I got

00:37:59.610 --> 00:38:03.190
privy to hear four of those songs. I believe

00:38:03.190 --> 00:38:06.550
one of them being 10 ,000 cups studio version.

00:38:06.690 --> 00:38:09.369
And then the fifth song I believe was a re a

00:38:09.369 --> 00:38:12.309
remade I alone, which was just phenomenal. But

00:38:12.309 --> 00:38:14.670
10 ,000 cups was pretty cool. We, but again,

00:38:14.670 --> 00:38:16.710
it wasn't, it was not the four of us in a room.

00:38:16.710 --> 00:38:19.590
It was, we kind of put it together in the studio,

00:38:19.610 --> 00:38:22.949
but it's a cool song for sure. Dope song, man.

00:38:23.070 --> 00:38:25.829
And, and the other three that were on what was

00:38:25.829 --> 00:38:29.059
supposed to be this, this new record. Was really

00:38:29.059 --> 00:38:31.079
getting back to your throwing copper days. Uh,

00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.679
maybe not thousand cups, but Chad, were you,

00:38:33.820 --> 00:38:35.900
do you, do you know if, or remember if you were

00:38:35.900 --> 00:38:37.719
involved with those other two or three songs

00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.320
that were going to be on, uh, cause it almost

00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:41.679
seemed like you guys got into a room where like,

00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:43.920
yo, let's play music together again on a couple

00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.900
of those. Um, was that the case or was this still

00:38:46.900 --> 00:38:51.460
just being brought by, I guess. Um, I don't know

00:38:51.460 --> 00:38:53.340
where 10 ,000 comes from. It may have come from

00:38:53.340 --> 00:38:56.630
that. I'm not sure exactly because it was. Chatted,

00:38:56.630 --> 00:38:59.269
chatted like taking over all like the production

00:38:59.269 --> 00:39:01.210
of everything. So he was putting shit together

00:39:01.210 --> 00:39:03.329
in the studio and then, Oh, come in and play

00:39:03.329 --> 00:39:06.190
drums on this. And that's, that's kind of what

00:39:06.190 --> 00:39:09.250
it was. Um, so I don't know who came up with

00:39:09.250 --> 00:39:12.909
the ideas exactly. Tell you the truth. Since

00:39:12.909 --> 00:39:15.469
Bill Hines is the big bad wolf. If people were

00:39:15.469 --> 00:39:18.590
nice to him, he could probably like shrink you

00:39:18.590 --> 00:39:20.510
some of these things so you could hear them.

00:39:20.510 --> 00:39:23.639
He can't of course release them. But that's what

00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.400
he did for me. He played them for me so I could

00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:29.199
hear them live. And it was just, I was like,

00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.900
what the fuck? Why were these songs shelled?

00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:34.860
And then that EP came out because the EP part

00:39:34.860 --> 00:39:38.059
of my French was way weak compared to these songs.

00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:40.119
Bill just said that they were all Ed's ideas,

00:39:40.219 --> 00:39:43.099
which makes sense. I mean, I think he had bottled

00:39:43.099 --> 00:39:45.880
up ideas and then we, you know, got ahold of

00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:47.860
them and started working with them, but we never

00:39:47.860 --> 00:39:50.260
got in a room and played them. We just, he, I

00:39:50.260 --> 00:39:52.789
think. We recorded the guitar and vocal and then

00:39:52.789 --> 00:39:55.469
Chad to click check and then we just put together

00:39:55.469 --> 00:40:00.210
that way. Wow. I mean, I'd love to hear them.

00:40:00.329 --> 00:40:02.329
You definitely would, but I just don't understand.

00:40:02.710 --> 00:40:05.829
Like if you had lightning in a bottle, right?

00:40:06.030 --> 00:40:08.849
And you could just just pull it out at any time.

00:40:08.849 --> 00:40:11.710
I'm lightning. And you guys did that with mental

00:40:11.710 --> 00:40:14.210
jewelry and throwing copper. So you had the recipe

00:40:14.210 --> 00:40:18.269
for fucking lightning in a bottle and then. I

00:40:18.269 --> 00:40:20.809
don't know. Well, we didn't make those records

00:40:20.809 --> 00:40:23.969
for radio. And that's what this fucking EP was.

00:40:24.050 --> 00:40:26.389
It was like, oh, we're making this for rock radio.

00:40:26.769 --> 00:40:28.429
But now it's like, fuck that. The Foo Fighters

00:40:28.429 --> 00:40:30.869
don't fucking make a record for rock radio. They

00:40:30.869 --> 00:40:33.190
just make a fucking record and they go bust it

00:40:33.190 --> 00:40:36.670
out. Green Day, all those bands, they fucking

00:40:36.670 --> 00:40:40.110
write songs that move them and then they put

00:40:40.110 --> 00:40:43.789
them on a record. 100. 100. And like you said,

00:40:44.530 --> 00:40:47.960
the songs were just so good. Mental jewelry and

00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:50.139
throwing copper sounded like nothing you heard

00:40:50.139 --> 00:40:53.559
before. Like it, to me, it changed me. Like,

00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:56.159
like Nirvana changed the music. Like that's how

00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.199
much mental jewelry and throwing copper meant

00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:01.760
to me. We wouldn't even, we wouldn't even entertain

00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:04.320
or sometimes it was just me or some one of us

00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.239
would, you know, if all four of us didn't like

00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.079
get this fucking like hair on the back of your

00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:11.340
neck, standing up feeling from a song, we wouldn't

00:41:11.340 --> 00:41:13.409
even play it. So that's what That's why all those

00:41:13.409 --> 00:41:15.309
songs are fucking great because all four of us

00:41:15.309 --> 00:41:17.510
were like, fuck, this is bad ass. Like, yeah.

00:41:17.949 --> 00:41:19.670
And then sometime it took us to work into that.

00:41:19.670 --> 00:41:21.929
It wasn't like you go to the song and it's like,

00:41:22.010 --> 00:41:24.650
Oh my God, you had to sometimes craft the song

00:41:24.650 --> 00:41:27.849
into being that. Right. All four of us had to

00:41:27.849 --> 00:41:30.610
feel it. Yeah. And then we got totally away from

00:41:30.610 --> 00:41:33.489
that. It was just like, here's this idea, play

00:41:33.489 --> 00:41:37.550
this. Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't feel this, but

00:41:37.550 --> 00:41:41.090
okay. I'll act like I do. Yeah, fuck, man. If

00:41:41.090 --> 00:41:43.690
there was just somebody like just saying, come

00:41:43.690 --> 00:41:47.230
on, you fucking speak up here or tell us we never

00:41:47.230 --> 00:41:49.170
had. We never had a proper manager like you two

00:41:49.170 --> 00:41:51.909
had Paul McGinnis. If we had a fucking Paul McGinnis,

00:41:52.170 --> 00:41:54.349
we'd probably be in better, better shape. But

00:41:54.349 --> 00:41:57.730
like we never had a real manager that was like,

00:41:57.750 --> 00:41:59.829
no, fuck you guys. You're not doing that. Like

00:41:59.829 --> 00:42:02.449
get in the fucking room or here's a therapist.

00:42:02.889 --> 00:42:05.210
Let's fucking do this. Get your shit worked out

00:42:05.210 --> 00:42:07.980
and write great music. It was just like, we had,

00:42:07.980 --> 00:42:10.619
you know, yes, man, fucking managers like, oh,

00:42:10.619 --> 00:42:16.699
okay, well, Ed wants this. Okay. How depressing,

00:42:16.940 --> 00:42:19.519
man. Yeah, that was ridiculous. What could have

00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.679
been and what could still be, but just what could

00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:26.219
have been if, um, again, I love, I love all,

00:42:26.219 --> 00:42:28.800
all the albums from, you know, Five Birds of

00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:32.539
Prey, all that stuff, but I throwing copper and

00:42:32.539 --> 00:42:36.079
the distance to hear for me are just Are just

00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.239
some of the best and then there's songs that

00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:39.940
were supposed to be on the distance to hear that

00:42:39.940 --> 00:42:42.840
just didn't make it that were I think a lot of

00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:44.980
guitar parts by Chad Taylor and then Ed just

00:42:44.980 --> 00:42:47.420
kind of shelved them to put his slower like dance

00:42:47.420 --> 00:42:50.579
with you on but that album again start to finish

00:42:50.579 --> 00:42:54.340
is Legendary it like the Dolphins cry run to

00:42:54.340 --> 00:42:59.460
the water what those are fucking epic dude like

00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:02.750
epic sound and wasn't Yes, they played friendly

00:43:02.750 --> 00:43:05.190
on the radio, but they weren't what was on the

00:43:05.190 --> 00:43:07.250
radio at the time. That's what I loved about

00:43:07.250 --> 00:43:10.070
you guys is you were original. It wasn't it wasn't

00:43:10.070 --> 00:43:12.170
the normal stuff you heard on the radio. Like

00:43:12.170 --> 00:43:14.610
once you caught what was you guys playing something

00:43:14.610 --> 00:43:17.610
like, you know, what the fuck is that? And then

00:43:17.610 --> 00:43:21.289
all of a sudden, yeah, yeah. We wrote music to

00:43:21.289 --> 00:43:24.210
we wrote music and moved us. That was it. Yeah,

00:43:24.230 --> 00:43:26.789
that's what you needed to get back to. Ken, I'm

00:43:26.789 --> 00:43:29.969
sorry for hijacking your spot. No, no, man. Thank

00:43:29.969 --> 00:43:32.480
you. Yeah, Chad, I'm just wondering, you know,

00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:34.480
as you talk about kind of Ed taking the reins

00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:39.139
with the songwriting, it sounds like the three

00:43:39.139 --> 00:43:42.480
of you were just kind of along for the ride at

00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:44.480
that point. Was there any pushback from any of

00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.019
the three of you to say, no, Ed, you're not going

00:43:47.019 --> 00:43:49.480
to do this? And do you think that by allowing

00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.519
him to do that, that kind of enabled him to maybe

00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.690
do some things later on down the line? I remember,

00:43:55.690 --> 00:43:59.170
you know, hearing stories of a front man bonus

00:43:59.170 --> 00:44:01.449
for shows and things like that towards the end

00:44:01.449 --> 00:44:04.409
of the run there in 09. Do you think that enabled

00:44:04.409 --> 00:44:07.070
him in any way by giving him that power? Oh,

00:44:07.070 --> 00:44:10.570
absolutely. Yes. Yes. There was there was there

00:44:10.570 --> 00:44:15.369
was a point where if I didn't like an idea, I

00:44:15.369 --> 00:44:17.030
just wouldn't play to it. And maybe I didn't

00:44:17.030 --> 00:44:18.969
handle it in the most mature way I should have.

00:44:19.030 --> 00:44:20.789
But I was just like, I don't want to play that

00:44:20.789 --> 00:44:22.530
and piss everybody off. And I'd be like, I don't

00:44:22.530 --> 00:44:24.760
care. But I don't fucking feel it. Like I don't

00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:26.760
want to play it. You know, and that happened

00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.440
a few times. And there was a point, though, where

00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:31.420
I just gave up doing that because I just would

00:44:31.420 --> 00:44:34.340
piss everybody off. And I was like, and, you

00:44:34.340 --> 00:44:37.739
know, once you start making a lot of money and

00:44:37.739 --> 00:44:40.460
you're successful, it's like, do you want to

00:44:40.460 --> 00:44:42.139
like rock the boat that much and piss everybody

00:44:42.139 --> 00:44:46.019
off? But and I'm not saying I'm the end all be

00:44:46.019 --> 00:44:48.480
all the guy that picked every song that was great

00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:51.610
to fucking play on. But. There was a point where

00:44:51.610 --> 00:44:54.710
I just stopped going, stop being the no man.

00:44:55.929 --> 00:44:58.230
And because Patrick was just, Patrick would go

00:44:58.230 --> 00:45:00.849
along with whatever. And he, that's, he's just

00:45:00.849 --> 00:45:05.090
a, you know, easy going guy. Yeah. Um, and I

00:45:05.090 --> 00:45:07.030
think Chad also at some point was just like,

00:45:07.389 --> 00:45:09.710
well, when Ed told Chad that he didn't want to

00:45:09.710 --> 00:45:11.090
write with him anymore, that devastated Chad.

00:45:11.329 --> 00:45:14.670
So I think it just shut him down. Yeah. And then

00:45:14.670 --> 00:45:19.309
he shipped behind the scenes. Sorry. Yeah. I

00:45:19.309 --> 00:45:22.940
mean, What are you talking about? I mean, just

00:45:22.940 --> 00:45:26.739
to me, the way the breakup happened in 2009,

00:45:26.900 --> 00:45:29.239
it seemed like you and Patrick were getting a

00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:33.780
lot of ideas of the way things happened or went

00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:37.019
down from Chad Taylor that weren't necessarily

00:45:37.019 --> 00:45:41.699
the truth or, you know. Yeah. Well, I mean, that

00:45:41.699 --> 00:45:44.860
was another mistake that I made. I let Chad Taylor

00:45:44.860 --> 00:45:48.050
do all the communication with it. he was basically

00:45:48.050 --> 00:45:49.969
the funnel. And that's kind of what happened

00:45:49.969 --> 00:45:52.610
when they came back. He was the funnel. But he

00:45:52.610 --> 00:45:54.949
puts himself in that position in order to be

00:45:54.949 --> 00:45:57.489
the funnel, because he wants to control situations.

00:45:59.090 --> 00:46:02.989
And I would never let that happen again to myself

00:46:02.989 --> 00:46:06.989
or anybody else at this point. I would never

00:46:06.989 --> 00:46:10.429
let... If we come back together in any sense,

00:46:10.570 --> 00:46:12.309
I'm like, there's no... We're all getting in

00:46:12.309 --> 00:46:14.090
a room. We're all discussing everything at the

00:46:14.090 --> 00:46:16.400
same time. There's not going to be... Ed talking

00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:18.539
to Chad and Chad coming back to Patrick and I

00:46:18.539 --> 00:46:20.320
and saying this and who fucking knows what Ed

00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:22.639
really said or what really went down and what

00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.960
the negotiation was. Right. Because, you know,

00:46:26.300 --> 00:46:28.880
I trusted Chad implicitly a hundred percent back

00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.960
in those days. And that's, you know, I can, I

00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:34.599
will never let myself have the wool pulled over

00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.099
my eyes again like that. As you should have been

00:46:37.099 --> 00:46:40.059
able to trust him though. So it's not like you

00:46:40.059 --> 00:46:42.130
were. fucking doing something stupid. This is

00:46:42.130 --> 00:46:44.170
your boy from childhood. You should be able to

00:46:44.170 --> 00:46:46.969
trust that person with your fucking life, you

00:46:46.969 --> 00:46:50.190
know, and everything, their mouth. So I thought

00:46:50.190 --> 00:46:53.269
I could. Yeah. I feel for you on so many levels

00:46:53.269 --> 00:46:55.949
with that because a friendship was lost. Somebody

00:46:55.949 --> 00:46:58.210
who trusted was lost. Somebody you thought had

00:46:58.210 --> 00:47:00.349
your best interest did not like there's so many

00:47:00.349 --> 00:47:04.670
things that go into it. And I hope, uh, and,

00:47:04.670 --> 00:47:07.610
and really hope that Chad Taylor for one, takes

00:47:07.610 --> 00:47:09.789
a good look at himself in the mirror because

00:47:09.929 --> 00:47:12.730
it seems to me to this day he still hasn't and

00:47:12.730 --> 00:47:15.250
he still thinks his position is right and maybe

00:47:15.250 --> 00:47:17.289
it is maybe it isn't to me it doesn't seem like

00:47:17.289 --> 00:47:20.289
it is but i would if this was the case and you

00:47:20.289 --> 00:47:22.969
know i was rolling stones 1995 artist of the

00:47:22.969 --> 00:47:25.530
year i would take a good look at to why i'm not

00:47:25.530 --> 00:47:27.349
still in that band and producing and writing

00:47:27.349 --> 00:47:30.510
great music and why you know a couple of my best

00:47:30.510 --> 00:47:32.650
friends don't talk to me anymore it's just my

00:47:32.650 --> 00:47:35.269
opinion is i i would look at myself and question

00:47:35.269 --> 00:47:37.869
are you doing things right did you i don't know

00:47:37.869 --> 00:47:40.260
if he is or not he Maybe it's different now.

00:47:40.300 --> 00:47:42.900
I'm not sure. I mean, I've talked to him very,

00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:44.940
very, very little in the last couple of years.

00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.079
So because I'm protect, I mean, I've talked to

00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:49.519
him very little because I've protected myself.

00:47:49.820 --> 00:47:52.519
I'm, I'm not, you know, basically every time

00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.179
you talk to him, it would be a manipulation of

00:47:54.179 --> 00:47:58.380
some kind. So, yeah, you just never, so you can't,

00:47:58.380 --> 00:48:00.920
it's hard to trust what's coming out of his mouth.

00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:03.820
Yeah. You have to be in burnt for so long. You

00:48:03.820 --> 00:48:05.719
kind of feel the fire, I think, or something

00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:09.840
like that. So yeah, to answer your question,

00:48:09.980 --> 00:48:12.519
Quinn, Ken, yes, it was like, we kind of all

00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:15.000
kind of let go, and the three of us, when I say

00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.239
all of us, and kind of let Ed take the reins.

00:48:17.900 --> 00:48:21.380
And that, you know, emboldened him to, you know,

00:48:21.380 --> 00:48:23.559
to do, I don't know, maybe not the best things

00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:27.800
for the band. Yeah. And I remember, not to switch

00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:29.860
gears completely, but I remember a quote from

00:48:29.860 --> 00:48:35.039
Chad Taylor in that Rolling Stone piece where

00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.860
his explanation for taking a bigger cut during

00:48:38.860 --> 00:48:41.159
the reunion was it represented the historical

00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:45.260
truth of the band. I don't know if you remember

00:48:45.260 --> 00:48:47.539
that, but for whatever reason, that just stuck

00:48:47.539 --> 00:48:49.639
out in my mind when I read it however many months

00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.300
ago. And I just thought, what a crock of shit.

00:48:52.460 --> 00:48:54.900
I mean, obviously I don't know what you know,

00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:57.300
I don't know what he knows, but again, you know,

00:48:57.300 --> 00:48:59.340
you guys always seem like such a four piece to

00:48:59.340 --> 00:49:02.159
me. And, you know, without one of you, you weren't

00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:04.719
live. We absolutely were in the historical truth

00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:06.639
of the band. The historical truth of the band

00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:10.230
was, was represented in the songwriting, how

00:49:10.230 --> 00:49:13.670
the songwriting was split up, for sure. But as

00:49:13.670 --> 00:49:16.610
far as the amount of work, the amount of touring,

00:49:16.750 --> 00:49:18.429
the amount of time and effort we all put into

00:49:18.429 --> 00:49:21.590
this, that was, I mean, Jesus Christ. We all

00:49:21.590 --> 00:49:23.409
were out there on the road. We were all out there

00:49:23.409 --> 00:49:25.989
doing the fucking, you know, all the promotion,

00:49:26.650 --> 00:49:29.150
all that stuff. Right. You're always with your

00:49:29.150 --> 00:49:31.250
families, right? Yeah, exactly. I mean, historical

00:49:31.250 --> 00:49:33.489
truth, that's, you know, his interpretation of

00:49:33.489 --> 00:49:36.239
it, I guess. I mean - Yeah, so bizarre. I just,

00:49:36.260 --> 00:49:38.119
that always stuck out to me and I'm going, what,

00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:41.000
how do you, how do you justify saying something

00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:44.019
like that when it comes to live show revenue?

00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:46.739
Right. Exactly. And it was historical truth that

00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:49.400
was never conveyed to Patrick and I until we

00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:50.480
were sitting in a room and be like, Oh yeah,

00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.320
I got, Ed has 40, you have 30 and you each got

00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:56.079
15. I'm like, what the fuck? What, what just

00:49:56.079 --> 00:50:00.739
happened? Were those discussions that were had

00:50:00.739 --> 00:50:03.420
just between Chad and Ed, you think to get those

00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:06.349
initial numbers and then. Apparently, yes. They

00:50:06.349 --> 00:50:08.610
just thought that you two would go along with

00:50:08.610 --> 00:50:12.809
a fraction of what they were getting? Yeah, and

00:50:12.809 --> 00:50:16.750
we did. I mean, unfortunately, in the discussion

00:50:16.750 --> 00:50:19.070
where it was already determined what the splits

00:50:19.070 --> 00:50:22.190
are going to be, Chad came to a meeting. We were

00:50:22.190 --> 00:50:24.570
realigning all the companies we owned with Bill

00:50:24.570 --> 00:50:27.610
at that point, the ownership structures and those.

00:50:28.250 --> 00:50:32.289
And at the end of that, Chad comes in with the

00:50:32.289 --> 00:50:33.909
live stuff and I'm like, you're fucking mixing

00:50:33.909 --> 00:50:36.090
these two things together? That pissed me off

00:50:36.090 --> 00:50:38.750
from the beginning. And then he came in with,

00:50:38.849 --> 00:50:42.050
Ed's 40, I'm 30, you're 15 each. I'm like, what

00:50:42.050 --> 00:50:44.650
the fuck? And so before I left the room, I had

00:50:44.650 --> 00:50:48.429
it to 20 each of us, the three of us. But then

00:50:48.429 --> 00:50:51.550
when the paperwork came, nope, it was 15. It's

00:50:51.550 --> 00:50:53.289
like a fuck right there too from the beginning

00:50:53.289 --> 00:50:56.329
of that reunion. Just like, oh, okay. So yeah,

00:50:56.329 --> 00:50:58.469
that whole thing was just tarnished to me. The

00:50:58.469 --> 00:51:00.730
whole reunion was just. One of them wanted to

00:51:00.730 --> 00:51:02.650
do the therapy. No one wanted to do that. And

00:51:02.650 --> 00:51:05.809
then I get fucking shafted in the ass with 15%.

00:51:05.809 --> 00:51:10.630
Like, okay, great. Thank you. Lifelong friends.

00:51:11.250 --> 00:51:14.349
Is that, is that 15 % which again is ridiculous.

00:51:14.349 --> 00:51:17.530
It should have been 2020, 20, 40. Uh, is that

00:51:17.530 --> 00:51:23.030
15 %? 25, 25, 25. Agreed. Agreed. Well, I guess

00:51:23.030 --> 00:51:25.829
the reason why I was saying 20, 20, 20, 40 is

00:51:25.829 --> 00:51:28.619
if like, Ed was like, this is what I need because

00:51:28.619 --> 00:51:31.280
I'm writing everything at this point. So going

00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:33.699
forward, this is how it works. This is, that

00:51:33.699 --> 00:51:36.599
was, this was my question. Was the 15, 15, 30,

00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:39.440
40, was that going forward? Or does that even

00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:41.519
include back shit from like what you're getting

00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:44.460
paid from back catalogs and stuff like that?

00:51:44.619 --> 00:51:48.119
Back catalog stuff didn't change. Ah, okay. Okay.

00:51:48.820 --> 00:51:52.219
I mean, I don't know if Ed asked for 40 or if

00:51:52.219 --> 00:51:53.619
Chad gave him 40. I don't know. Cause I wasn't

00:51:53.619 --> 00:51:56.000
in conversation. This is my point. Like I'm there.

00:51:56.250 --> 00:51:58.949
Never any more business conversations if we come

00:51:58.949 --> 00:52:00.590
back together ever again where I'm not sitting

00:52:00.590 --> 00:52:02.909
in the fucking room. Yeah. With everybody with

00:52:02.909 --> 00:52:05.929
a fucking lawyer at that point. Yeah. You know,

00:52:06.030 --> 00:52:08.449
it's like, OK, let's memorialize what we're talking

00:52:08.449 --> 00:52:14.190
about here. Insane. Hey, puppies. Yeah, man,

00:52:14.210 --> 00:52:17.309
I completely I completely agree with you. It's

00:52:17.309 --> 00:52:20.010
just. You know, you don't want that in your in

00:52:20.010 --> 00:52:21.650
your band, you know I'm saying like it you shouldn't

00:52:21.650 --> 00:52:23.989
have to like it should be you four able to hash

00:52:23.989 --> 00:52:25.750
it out You shouldn't have to worry about fucking

00:52:25.750 --> 00:52:27.550
somebody stabbing in the back and all that shit.

00:52:27.550 --> 00:52:32.090
It's just it's a crazy It's like a I don't know

00:52:32.090 --> 00:52:34.389
getting messages from bill I guess he knows but

00:52:34.389 --> 00:52:37.429
he told he said that Chad offered the 40 % I

00:52:37.429 --> 00:52:39.389
mean if I was said I would take it if it was

00:52:39.389 --> 00:52:45.170
offered to me. Oh, yeah and he said It was actually

00:52:45.170 --> 00:52:47.360
shocked. I'm like Yeah, I'm sure he was, but

00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:52.019
why would he say no? Right. Yep. And he was probably

00:52:52.019 --> 00:52:54.139
told that Patrick and I were cool with it. You

00:52:54.139 --> 00:52:58.559
had no idea what was happening. Yeah. But, um,

00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:03.139
Jesus, man, but God bless the guy to orchestrate

00:53:03.139 --> 00:53:06.239
and then orchestrated kind of coming back and

00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:08.980
then to really dismantle it piece by piece to

00:53:08.980 --> 00:53:11.960
where like, good Lord, putting this guy back

00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:15.139
together, you know? Yeah. Give himself double

00:53:15.139 --> 00:53:17.940
what I'm making. I'm like, are you serious? Yeah.

00:53:18.579 --> 00:53:21.260
Like what? Not for nothing. You got the hardest

00:53:21.260 --> 00:53:24.300
job on stage behind Ed, your full body. I mean,

00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:26.079
you're sweating. Chad Taylor could be there in

00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:29.440
a fucking winter coat and a hat on and bugging

00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:31.280
me. You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, give

00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.280
him the stomp was cool and shit like that, but

00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:35.119
you're fucking dripping sweat back there, man.

00:53:35.139 --> 00:53:37.699
You're, you're working for that loop. I was getting,

00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.420
yeah. Good. It was always good workout. Yeah.

00:53:40.579 --> 00:53:43.920
Yeah. What else, Ken? What do you got, buddy?

00:53:44.059 --> 00:53:45.960
Yeah, buddy. Yeah, I know we're kind of probably

00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:48.460
running short on time, but Chad, one thing you

00:53:48.460 --> 00:53:51.420
mentioned or quoted on in the Rolling Stone article

00:53:51.420 --> 00:53:54.099
or they referenced it in the article is you had

00:53:54.099 --> 00:53:56.360
hoped that maybe by the end of the year, it sounded

00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:58.159
like you were optimistic with maybe heading out

00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:04.380
on the road with Ed as a part alive. Any updates

00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:06.079
on that? Is there any information you could share

00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:10.260
or things kind of where they were then? So, I

00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:13.039
mean, I was asked for my vote. under the premise

00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:18.159
that I would be touring. And so I gave my, this

00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:20.460
is a vote to remove Chad. And so at the time

00:54:20.460 --> 00:54:22.639
I was pissed off. And so, yeah, I voted to remove

00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:24.699
Chad. And I thought that that could, you know,

00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:26.659
give Ed and I clarity to move forward and go

00:54:26.659 --> 00:54:30.280
out. And it was actually myself and Bill trying

00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.340
to push Ed to have Patrick in the band. Cause

00:54:34.340 --> 00:54:35.900
I thought it would be better with three than

00:54:35.900 --> 00:54:41.840
two. And And there was a time where I was asking

00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:44.500
Patrick to vote with me in this company with

00:54:44.500 --> 00:54:47.219
Chad Taylor, because he hasn't provided financials

00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:52.300
to me this whole time for this company. And the

00:54:52.300 --> 00:54:55.059
last phone call was Patrick and I on the phone.

00:54:55.420 --> 00:54:58.599
And Chad was like, OK, Patrick, you vote with

00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:01.360
CG. We removed Chad from that company. We're

00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:08.039
all good. And then Patrick didn't vote. And I

00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:10.079
thought, I was like, well, okay, well, so we

00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:12.059
can get rid of, you know, set Patrick to the

00:55:12.059 --> 00:55:14.500
side. But I was called by Ed and told, oh yeah,

00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:16.400
shows are booked, but you know, I don't want

00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:20.179
the drama. I'm like, the drama? What drama is

00:55:20.179 --> 00:55:22.880
going to be? It's like, right. I think we got

00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:24.860
to change it from selling the drama to fucking

00:55:24.860 --> 00:55:26.900
stealing the drama. Cause that sounds like a

00:55:26.900 --> 00:55:29.980
straight up fucking heist pulled by, you know,

00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:33.480
the, I mean, I hate to say, but it seems like

00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:35.639
a heist pulled by the one and only Ed Kowalczyk

00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.889
in that. scenario when it comes down to it. Cause

00:55:37.889 --> 00:55:41.329
it seems slight a hand here. Uh, you know, give

00:55:41.329 --> 00:55:44.750
me your 15 % so we could get out, you know, the

00:55:44.750 --> 00:55:46.949
member that's draining us all. And then, oh,

00:55:46.969 --> 00:55:48.929
by the way, shows are booked and I'm going out

00:55:48.929 --> 00:55:52.429
on tour with other people that does not seem

00:55:52.429 --> 00:55:56.909
cool. That does not seem, um, you know, the right

00:55:56.909 --> 00:56:00.039
way to do things. So You know, maybe Chad Taylor

00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:03.159
had a reason to do some shit shady, you know,

00:56:03.179 --> 00:56:06.239
the way he did because of that type of manipulation.

00:56:06.619 --> 00:56:09.139
Like, you know, that, that seems crazy to me

00:56:09.139 --> 00:56:11.219
to sit there, look your friend in the face, say,

00:56:11.380 --> 00:56:14.460
we want to remove the cancer. Uh, so I need your,

00:56:14.460 --> 00:56:17.579
your percentage to do that. And then sideline

00:56:17.579 --> 00:56:19.619
that person who helped you remove the cancer

00:56:19.619 --> 00:56:23.500
is just fucking weird. Um, to me, but who the

00:56:23.500 --> 00:56:25.480
fuck am I? It's definitely weird. It's definitely

00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:30.239
weird. Absolutely. How did you and Pat, I mean,

00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:32.420
obviously Ed did an Instagram thing where he

00:56:32.420 --> 00:56:36.480
said, you know, I own 55 % alive. Chad Taylor's

00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:38.360
no longer going to stop the music, blah, blah,

00:56:38.380 --> 00:56:42.280
blah. How did you and Patrick find out that not

00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:44.300
only were you not going out on the road, but

00:56:44.300 --> 00:56:48.179
presumably you're not involved with live in any

00:56:48.179 --> 00:56:51.960
capacity moving forward? Well, by the phone call,

00:56:52.059 --> 00:56:54.579
like that was So when he put out an Instagram

00:56:54.579 --> 00:56:56.639
post, that's when I had agreed with Ed to give

00:56:56.639 --> 00:57:00.639
him my vote to get rid of Chad. But in the talks

00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:02.659
past that, after that Instagram post, I was like,

00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:04.719
oh yeah, let me try to work on Patrick. And Bill

00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:06.579
was showing that Bill told Ed to have Patrick

00:57:06.579 --> 00:57:08.639
too. It's like, let's have Patrick in the band.

00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:12.079
And then the whole thing went down that I described

00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:15.539
earlier. And then shows got booked. There was

00:57:15.539 --> 00:57:18.179
some money on the table. And all of a sudden,

00:57:18.579 --> 00:57:22.199
you get the call. I guess Patrick got the same

00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:23.780
call. It's like, oh, I can't have you in the

00:57:23.780 --> 00:57:29.139
band. No drama. But there's a huge problem. I

00:57:29.139 --> 00:57:32.719
mean, in everybody's eyes, I don't... Okay, listen

00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:37.280
to me. I mean, I guess bands have done this before,

00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:41.340
but how do you take out from a four -piece band

00:57:41.340 --> 00:57:44.460
three of the pieces and still call it the same

00:57:44.460 --> 00:57:48.739
band? I just don't understand. Now, I mean...

00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:51.360
Okay, the sound of that voice, you're never going

00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:54.960
to, I guess, be able to do, but, you know, you

00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:58.320
can't, to me personally, that's like fucking,

00:57:58.900 --> 00:58:01.960
you know, you taking three of the members out

00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:04.699
of my family and then putting three new members

00:58:04.699 --> 00:58:07.460
in and then calling them my family. But no, that's

00:58:07.460 --> 00:58:10.599
not the case. You know, it's like these are three

00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:13.219
new people and my family now is a different name.

00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:15.800
It's not the Rotolo family anymore. It's fucking

00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:20.440
the whatever to me. I just don't see it. I agree.

00:58:21.179 --> 00:58:23.739
Yep. And I'm still thankful that there's live

00:58:23.739 --> 00:58:25.820
music out there being played. There's live music

00:58:25.820 --> 00:58:29.719
out there live in concert, but fuck man. Like,

00:58:29.820 --> 00:58:32.679
you know, I was happy going to see Ed do his

00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.099
solo shows and supporting that way than going

00:58:35.099 --> 00:58:38.619
to see, you know, this, this live that isn't

00:58:38.619 --> 00:58:41.639
live. I'm sorry. I'm not, you know, because I

00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:44.119
love, I still love people in that band. Zach

00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:46.079
Lloyd being one of them. I consider him a friend.

00:58:46.860 --> 00:58:49.269
Absolutely. And I think he's one of the best

00:58:49.269 --> 00:58:52.889
guitarists. And I think if you had Patrick, Chad

00:58:52.889 --> 00:58:55.510
Gracie, Ed Kowalczyk, and Zach Loy, that would

00:58:55.510 --> 00:58:57.789
be the best iteration. That was the idea. That

00:58:57.789 --> 00:59:01.829
was exactly the idea. God, would that be the

00:59:01.829 --> 00:59:05.110
best iteration ever. You have everything that

00:59:05.110 --> 00:59:08.230
you learned sonically from Chad Taylor in a virtuoso

00:59:08.230 --> 00:59:12.550
like Zach Loy, whose mind just works, dude. And

00:59:12.550 --> 00:59:16.119
I don't know. i don't know so lords gods if you're

00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:18.199
out there listening fucking make this shit happen

00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:22.800
dude please that four piece with zac loy man

00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:26.519
four piece and a chicken wing but um you know

00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:30.880
just just my thoughts dude it's i mean do people

00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:33.119
know like when they're going out to c -live who

00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:36.219
aren't hardcore fans do they know like these

00:59:36.219 --> 00:59:39.400
aren't the I don't think they, they don't, they

00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:41.320
don't denote it in any advertisement. They're

00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:44.800
not like, Oh, no original members of ed. I don't

00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:49.079
think they, they say that. Yeah. It's just a

00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:51.420
sad state of affairs. And again, I'm appreciative

00:59:51.420 --> 00:59:53.480
to still have the music, but I just wish it was

00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:57.780
all done with more respect for the band. Like

00:59:57.780 --> 01:00:01.679
I feel like the live is being disrespected in

01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:03.159
that, in that manner. You know what I'm saying?

01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:06.599
Like Live 2 .0 or something call it if you really

01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:08.940
want to keep that live name, but I just feel

01:00:08.940 --> 01:00:15.619
like you know, it's not it's not right We agree

01:00:15.619 --> 01:00:18.340
Yeah, Ken. So yeah, we do got to end this you

01:00:18.340 --> 01:00:20.619
got anything more for Chad before we just one

01:00:20.619 --> 01:00:22.199
last thing I'll share with you guys. I talked

01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:25.139
to my my seven -year -old son last night about

01:00:25.139 --> 01:00:28.219
coming on the show and I asked him if I could

01:00:28.219 --> 01:00:31.320
borrow his magic eight ball here. I asked him

01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:34.800
if live with the original four members were ever

01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:39.159
going to reunite, and it's as likely. Yes. You

01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:41.920
never know. Fingers crossed, man. Those things

01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:43.900
are always right. 100%. It could be a while,

01:00:43.900 --> 01:00:48.340
but you never know. Hey, anytime is better than

01:00:48.340 --> 01:00:50.920
no time. And when I feel it's going to happen,

01:00:51.059 --> 01:00:52.739
because it's going to, this is going to happen.

01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.239
And this is when I feel they will start talking.

01:00:55.420 --> 01:00:57.260
They're going to be inducted into the rock and

01:00:57.260 --> 01:01:00.000
roll hall of fame. There's no way they are not.

01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.219
And they're not going to induct this new iteration.

01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:04.219
That's not how it works. So there's going to

01:01:04.219 --> 01:01:08.420
be a time where, where you guys are asked, right?

01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:10.699
It couldn't happen. As far as I know with the

01:01:10.699 --> 01:01:13.059
rock and roll of fame, they do it this way specifically

01:01:13.059 --> 01:01:16.059
period on the story. Like if kiss was Brought

01:01:16.059 --> 01:01:18.380
in like they still bring back the original members

01:01:18.380 --> 01:01:20.400
and stuff. They might let the new guys play or

01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:22.739
whatever But they're really inducting the original

01:01:22.739 --> 01:01:27.280
members. Uh, so I think that That's the longest

01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:29.260
we'll have to wait and who knows when the fuck

01:01:29.260 --> 01:01:31.000
the rock and roll hole of fame is going to get

01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:33.300
around doing it because There's so many great

01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:37.000
bands that aren't in there. Um, you know like

01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:39.400
Just two years ago. I believe Dave Matthews band

01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:41.880
was voted in by the fans and the rock and roll

01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:44.260
hole of fame went against them So they kind of

01:01:44.260 --> 01:01:46.699
know what they're doing But there's got to be

01:01:46.699 --> 01:01:49.320
a time where live gets inducted. I mean you're

01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:51.699
rolling stones 95 artists of the year You've

01:01:51.699 --> 01:01:55.099
sold over 25 million records throwing coppers

01:01:55.099 --> 01:01:57.099
eight to ten times platinum whatever the fuck

01:01:57.099 --> 01:02:00.940
like those stats and those legions of fans just

01:02:00.940 --> 01:02:04.500
don't fall by the wayside and For me, there's

01:02:04.500 --> 01:02:06.940
a shining hope if and when that happened or when

01:02:06.940 --> 01:02:12.559
that happens. I Like it yeah fingers crossed

01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:14.940
man ken i want to thank you for coming on man

01:02:14.940 --> 01:02:17.719
it's been a pleasure my pleasure thank you so

01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:20.960
much guys and um ed i'm gonna er chan excuse

01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:22.159
me i'm gonna have to find a way to get you a

01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:25.519
video of my three -year -old uh rocking out to

01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:30.239
uh tbd cool yeah you said to john yeah are you

01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.920
yeah he loves loves that song so uh when we're

01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:35.420
driving in the car that song comes on he goes

01:02:35.420 --> 01:02:38.139
berserk so that's all you might appreciate it

01:02:38.139 --> 01:02:42.559
take some videos Cool, man. We'll play it. Thank

01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:45.519
you again. Thank you gentlemen that I can't take

01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:50.239
care, but see you Jen Stata har right there.

01:02:50.860 --> 01:02:53.980
We go. See I knew I would get it takes me a second,

01:02:53.980 --> 01:02:59.820
but look out ladies and gentlemen Oh, so Everybody

01:02:59.820 --> 01:03:03.320
you guys know we have gear up on t republic calm.

01:03:03.500 --> 01:03:07.280
It's not just t -shirts. It's hoodies. It's cell

01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:11.059
phone cases. It's cups, travel mugs, all this

01:03:11.059 --> 01:03:13.639
stuff. Uh, there should be a dropdown, but there's

01:03:13.639 --> 01:03:15.639
four different designs that you could put on

01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:17.219
any one of those things I'm saying. So there's

01:03:17.219 --> 01:03:20.460
four different, the gracious two designs that

01:03:20.460 --> 01:03:23.420
you could put on t -shirts, sweatshirts, uh,

01:03:23.420 --> 01:03:27.219
all that, all that fun stuff. We put a link in

01:03:27.219 --> 01:03:31.139
the, some of the bios on like YouTube. For sure.

01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:33.980
I believe it's linked to our Instagram already.

01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:35.699
I think it's linked to our Facebook, but yeah,

01:03:35.699 --> 01:03:37.420
we'll get, I'll get on there and make sure it's

01:03:37.420 --> 01:03:40.639
linked all the way around. For those who want

01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:43.940
to catch us on Instagram, it's the underscore

01:03:43.940 --> 01:03:48.179
gracious underscore to Everywhere else. I believe

01:03:48.179 --> 01:03:51.420
it's just slash the gracious to all one word

01:03:51.420 --> 01:03:54.599
Don't spell gracious like I did one time where

01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:57.679
I put the you before the oh or something something

01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:01.960
like that Ladies and gentlemen trying to you

01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:06.059
know, we're a small show. We're operating, you

01:04:06.059 --> 01:04:09.650
know Uh, by the seat of our pants here. Uh, but

01:04:09.650 --> 01:04:11.210
we're trying, we're trying to, we're trying to

01:04:11.210 --> 01:04:13.369
hook you guys up a cool content with cool stuff.

01:04:14.070 --> 01:04:17.710
And, um, I love all your responses. I love the

01:04:17.710 --> 01:04:19.409
comment back to you. Sometimes I don't get to

01:04:19.409 --> 01:04:21.530
everybody, but we appreciate you guys listening.

01:04:22.050 --> 01:04:25.110
Uh, we appreciate, yeah, all that good stuff.

01:04:25.510 --> 01:04:29.630
And where can they find you? Mr. Gracie at the

01:04:29.630 --> 01:04:34.110
Chad Gracie on Instagram is what I, what I mainly

01:04:34.110 --> 01:04:38.289
use. And my favorite is just hashtag Chad Gracie

01:04:38.289 --> 01:04:41.389
hates hashtags. That's right. You could, you

01:04:41.389 --> 01:04:44.250
could put that into Google and see all, all the,

01:04:44.250 --> 01:04:46.389
all the shit. It's a, it's a good hashtag, dude.

01:04:46.909 --> 01:04:49.090
Uh, I like it. I have fun with it. I've never

01:04:49.090 --> 01:04:51.030
Googled it. That's funny. I've tried that sometimes.

01:04:51.110 --> 01:04:54.409
Yeah. Yeah. Definitely check it out. Uh, thank

01:04:54.409 --> 01:04:56.769
you guys. We'll be live next week. Oh, next week

01:04:56.769 --> 01:04:59.869
is Larry Hankin. So get your, yeah. Everybody

01:04:59.869 --> 01:05:02.150
get ready. He's a look them up. You'll recognize

01:05:02.150 --> 01:05:05.900
them immediately. Yes, if not from anything from

01:05:05.900 --> 01:05:07.880
a movie you probably all watching right now home

01:05:07.880 --> 01:05:10.980
alone He was he was one of the officers in there

01:05:10.980 --> 01:05:13.619
Try and stop this and I got to stop it in a couple

01:05:13.619 --> 01:05:16.679
places So don't say anything you don't want heard

01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:18.880
yet Chad until I until I say that