The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 016 - Bob Zazzera

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And I believe we are live ladies and gentlemen

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gracious Yeah, baby gracious two back again episode

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16 Merry Christmas to all hope everybody had

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a had a wonderful wonderful Christmas if you're

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still Partaking in the festivities more power

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to you. What up, Chad? What up, John? Chillin

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Merry Christmas. Yeah, we're moving in the new

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year now, you know New Year's Eve coming up.

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Yeah great time of year I was thinking we should

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do like I'll have to remember this next year

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while the time is rolling on to do like Different

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gracious to gear for holidays, you know I'm saying

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like have some Christmas stuff have some New

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Year's stuff Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah Christmas

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sweaters gotta do those. Yes exactly Christmas

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sweaters So happy Kwanzaa right today's Kwanzaa,

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I believe That's right. That's what they say.

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So they say Um, we do have a cool guest on I

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think I'm pronouncing his name. Correct Bob's

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Azera a very big fan of live and of yours. Been

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around since the beginning. Yes, I know Bob well.

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We actually text back and forth sometimes. Him,

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Bill and I, and yeah, Bob is a long time fan.

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Vast knowledge. He has a huge database of recordings

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and all kinds of stuff, so yeah. Which is cool.

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I think it was him who just released... a 1998

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chameleon club by you guys. I don't know if he

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shot it, but he put it up on YouTube. And it's,

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you know, the video and sound aren't the best,

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but what a great concert, man. New City was a

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song that was played there that I don't think

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is on anything else out there. Yeah, that's that

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was a B -side, I think, to Secret Samadhi or

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maybe no, that would be a B -side to Distance

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To Hear. Ah didn't put on yeah a bunch of cool

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um in there, you know, you had change in there

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new city a couple uh, you know different lyrics

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and stuff the stuff that did end up on the distance

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to hear So it was definitely cool to to hear

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just wish it was better quality Yeah, so that

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would have been a show where we were trying out

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new material for distance here. That makes sense.

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Yeah Yeah, those are great shows those 1998 shows.

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Um, well we used to write songs and then go play

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them out live and check, you know fans loved

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it. It was fun to like, to try this stuff out

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on the live audience. And, and when you play

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a song, you write a song and then you play it

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live, it takes on a different, sometimes a different

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vibe or you do different stuff. Right. Or you

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can get more intensity out of it. And so that

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was, that was our process at the time, but we

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stopped doing that. Well, it was a great process.

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I agree. I don't know if you guys did this but

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I know Pearl Jam was doing it for a while where

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they like recorded every concert they did I guess

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through their soundboard and then like they released

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it like in a like a cardboard package or anything

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but I know you guys didn't release anything like

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that but did you word your stuff like all your

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soundboard stuff or no just kind of? We have

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over the years not all of it but yeah there's

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some sometimes when we recorded it. Yeah that

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was Pearl Jam was releasing their own bootlegs

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it was freaking cool. It was very cool. It was

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like being ahead of the bootleggers because,

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you know, they're making money off of your backs.

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Right. Yep. They ruined the whole bootleg for

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them anyway. Now it doesn't even matter. Everyone

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has a camera to show. Right. Yeah. Back in the

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day, it was like, um, you know, to do that, it

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like went against every band's policy and stuff,

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but now it seems like it's just par for the course.

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And maybe a good way to get some free marketing

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and free publicity, but you guys. Yeah, I mean,

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I agree. Even back in the day, like. I don't

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know. Like why people were so anti, like recording

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and fucking and taking pictures and all this

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shit like even we were that way, I guess, because

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we were taught to be that way. I don't know.

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But just think back on it like, why wouldn't

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you want to spread? the message and the music

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and the images, you know, as far as they can

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go. Let people just fucking record and take pictures

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and just go for it. Like, spread the shit around.

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You know, ultimately, you're gonna have people,

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more people to the show, which is where, you

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know, you make money. So if it's about making

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money, it's like you want to spread the word,

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or to make it. Especially for a band like you

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guys who, not that you're bad on CD, but you're

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just like, the energy in the concert is like...

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fucking bar none. So it would, it would have

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been good to get that word out. So more people

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went to the shows and whatnot. I agree. You know,

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hindsight is 2020. Right. I believe Dave Matthews

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band. That's kind of how they got their start.

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They encouraged like, you know, before they had

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record deals and stuff, they were playing like

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frat houses and stuff, and they encouraged people

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to record and just kind of spread it out that

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way. And that's how they got, you know, their

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following or whatever. Yeah. Little ahead of

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the curve, but I mean it you could see both sides

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of it You know, you can see how it gets the word

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out on your music But then also what happens

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if you guys decided to release it and it's already

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out there, you know So it's I could see both

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sides Oh exactly bands like fish and the Grateful

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Dead and even Dave Matthews They would encourage

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people to come and record right made sense, you

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know, you'd think Everyone should have done that

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Whatever like you said it's 2020 Someone someone

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said to me hindsight 50 -50. Yeah, okay How does

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that work? Is it the lower the number the better

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your vision or the higher? I really don't know

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like 2020 is perfect. Yeah 2015 is better like

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2015 2010 is like really fucking amazing You

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see not only do you guys get cool insight on

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the band live you get insight on this stuff on

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them all ophthalmological voice exactly exactly

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right uh if anybody's wondering why i sound like

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uh a train wreck it's because i have like some

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kind of mucus membrane just clogging up my uh

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whole my whole face so that's why i sound this

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way but came here to put on a show for y 'all

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so hey hey holding through bear with us Uh, got

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a lot of good feedback on, on, uh, last week's

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show, uh, with the, uh, Sabo's, uh, that was

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amazing. So great to have them. I'm still so

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pumped about that rerouting movie, man. I can't

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wait to see the full thing after watching it.

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Hopefully they get some traction at the festivals

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and they can release it. It's freaking great

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from the trailer. Anyway, it looks amazing. Right.

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I mean, Hey, if, if independence are doing stuff

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like that, I mean, And let's just say they don't

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get traction at these festivals. That just shows

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like that the independent genre is getting really,

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really good because that looked to me like it

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was a, you know, full on release by some major

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studio in my, in my mind. Sure. Yeah. I agree.

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It didn't look like no $50 ,000 budget, you know?

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It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Like a Titanic or something

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that costs like what? Like millions to make.

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Million exactly. I mean we've we I mean the BAM

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you shot videos that cost like 500 grand 600

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grand, you know, it's like it was It's just amazing.

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They did it on $50 ,000. Our first video was

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$5 ,000 for Operation Spirit now what was that

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the one at where You did two for one video was

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that Operation Spirit or pain lies on the riverside?

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Because one was filmed at Stone Pony almost like

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a live cut of it And then the other one was like

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a regular video Pain, Lies, and Riverside, we

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did two on. We did a regular video and then we

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did kind of a live video. We reported some of

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it to Chameleon and maybe Stone Pony as well,

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but Operation Spirit was all... There's some

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footage from Chameleon show in Operation Spirit.

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Mostly it's just us running around fucking, I

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don't know, the park. We're in Central Park and

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we were shot in Sandy Hook, New Jersey on the

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beach. Like the fire scene is Sandy Hook, New

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Jersey on the beach, bonfire. Anyway. Do you

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know roughly, cause do you know roughly what

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the I loan video costs you guys to shoot? Um,

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that was probably one of the more expensive ones

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for, so I, I don't remember. I was top of my

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head and really just paying for set. It seems

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at that point, cause it was a lot of you guys

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in there. It didn't seem like there was a lot

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of like, um, CGI or anything like that. Kind

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of like the set you were paying for and then

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even what you have your drums there. Yeah, you're

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paying for set and then the director. Ah, but

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yeah, yeah. Yes, exactly. I had the drums on

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the set, but then the guy was like, we don't,

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I don't like the drums on the set. Well, now

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we know, now we know after you guys get back

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together after the rock and roll hall of fame

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to hire the safe, the save those to do the videos

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and we can save some loot. Exactly. Yes. The,

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um, forever may not be long enough video that

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looked like that could have cost some some a

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pretty penny because not only were there scenes

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from the movie in there that you might have had

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the license but there seemed to be like some

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really cool backgrounds and stuff like that or

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sets seem to be expensive for that for that video

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yeah i don't know exactly the record company

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paid for part of that but it was in it was uh

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like uh together with the movie production so

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ah I don't know if they paid part of the expense

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or not, but Yeah, that was that was a whole weird

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deal. There's so we had forever not may not be

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long enough. That was part of the mummy, right?

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That there was another song was supposed to be

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in Keep the first Fast and Furious Deep enough

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deep enough. Yep was supposed to be in the first

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Fast and Furious and I guess it was but like

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direct So the record company had these three

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three opportunities plus it was overcome with

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the whole 9 -11 thing Right. Three opportunities

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to like really promote that record, five, and

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they squandered all the record companies, fucked

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them all up. Yeah, because as you're saying -

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Two major movies and fucking, and not that you

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wanted the profit off of 9 -11, but like we,

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the Overcome was blowing up as it just naturally

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started getting played on VH1. Someone put together

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this video and we were like, let's put it out

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and like, well, donate all the proceeds to the

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9 -11 fund or whatever, you know. They're like,

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no, we don't want to do it. OK, thanks. It's

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amazing. It's like you almost then see why the

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record companies went the way they went when

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they're making dumb decisions like that, you

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know? Yep, exactly. Like you guys are a heavy

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marketable band and, you know, they totally squandered

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that time. Like you said, two major motion pictures

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plus the overcome thing. And that was really

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That was all over. That was not just all over

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VH1 or MTV. That was all over, you know, the

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radio with clips playing in the background and

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whatnot. And deep enough, the director wanted

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to do like a full video with the fucking all

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the all the all the cast and stuff like like

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a major part of the movie. And they wouldn't

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do it. Isn't that amazing? It's amazing. Drives

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you crazy. Yeah. So who is that part of management

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or is that part of like Like your manager or

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is that like the owner of the record company?

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How does that not the owner? Well, there was

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no owner. It was Universal Time So it was you

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know, the guy running Universal Time. I think

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his name was Jay Bovert He came in he took over

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so like the the regime that was there for like

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throwing copper and secret Somali was uh was

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the one that signed us right so they had ownership

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in it and they helped blow us up and like you

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know, make us successful. And then Jay Boberg

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took over. I forget what his background was,

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but he was a horrible record company for instance.

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He didn't know how to use you guys. No. His promotion

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of The Distance of Here was crappy. It was just

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bad, the whole thing. Yeah, because in my eyes,

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I mean, the distance to hear, I mean, I don't

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know, I'm guessing it was successful in its own

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right, but that should have been one of your

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biggest albums. I mean, there was a lot of real

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radio friendly songs on there, on top of some

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nice deep ass tracks on there that, you know,

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really, you know, touched your core audience

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as opposed to just, you know, as opposed to just

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casual listeners. Sure. Yeah. This is a pretty

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prominent story in the record business, like

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bands that are successful and then a new regime

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takes over. Sometimes they're not making good

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music, but I think in our case, we're still making

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good music. But it's just a matter of whether

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the record company wants to put their weight

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behind you or not. Right. Right. It happens.

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I still think, not to jump gears, but Birds of

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Prey, that number two song, She, is such a rocking

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song. I would've loved to hear you guys play

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that in concert, but I don't know if you've ever

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did, or just I missed it, but that is a great,

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great song, and it seems like it'd be perfect

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to be somewhere in the live concert set list

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because it just, it rocks, and it's short. I'll

00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:07.080
have to listen to it again. Know what song it

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is. Know what I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. I think I remember what it is, but I have

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to listen to it. Oh, funny. I listened to on

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the way here on the flight. I listened to a bunch

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of tracks on distance to here. And, and then

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I was listening to five to him. We're just to

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haven't listened to him forever. That's gotta

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be so cool. Going back through your catalog and

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just like checking out songs that, you know,

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you haven't heard in forever or, you know, cause

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I, You guys do play a lot of, you know, the new

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album and concert, but there are some that you

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leave out, so there might be some songs that

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you haven't, you know, listened to in 20 -plus

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years or something. So it's got to be coming

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back. Oh, well, I just, yeah, I mean, some of

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the deeper tracks on Distance to Here and Five,

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I hadn't listened to for a long time. Obviously,

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I have to listen to Bird to Prey. But what I

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noticed from Distance to Here to Five is that,

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you know, Ed took over all the writing at that

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point. And, uh, which was fine. There were some

00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:08.240
great, great tracks on five, but I noticed that

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the drums are a lot quieter on five than they

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are on distance. I agree. I got mixed down. Yeah.

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Yeah. Shining too much, I guess. I don't know.

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Maybe he's like in deep enough that that's a

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real heavy drum sound, but yeah, maybe it's turned

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down in the mix or something. I don't know. It's

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weird. I was like, yeah, that's noticeably quieter.

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Well, I got Mr. Bob about to enter the room.

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So, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Bob Z, is it Zazera

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Bob? Am I am I pronouncing that correctly? I

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talk to him all the time, you know, online, but

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never correctly corrects everybody. Yeah, yeah.

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That's correct. There it is. I believe I believe

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Bob is going to be off camera. I'm not 100 percent,

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but because he's he's doing stuff. So that might

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be the case. I'm not sure somebody coming up

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is off camera. I'm not sure if it's Bob or not.

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But Bob, how are you, sir? And good, guys. Merry

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Christmas. Hope it was nice. Merry Christmas

00:16:13.490 --> 00:16:15.909
to you. Yeah, I had a great one. Thank you. Yeah,

00:16:16.009 --> 00:16:19.529
same here. Same here. Yeah, it was down. Everything

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was nice. It was real, real quiet, real, real

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together. And, you know, that was, you know.

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topped off the day by I think watching a little

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bit of football, but then it was uh It was good.

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Nice. It was uh, it was basically uh, I want

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to say Why it's been real fast, right? You know

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leading up to Christmas, you know Thanksgiving

00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:46.299
was just here and Everything just goes fast at

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the end of the year. Oh, that's just me I I don't

00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:50.740
know if you guys experienced that kind of you

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know, the calendar the dates go fuck go fast

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and I'm like, okay End of the year is coming

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up already. 2024 is here in less than a week,

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right? It's freaking wild. I experienced it too.

00:17:01.769 --> 00:17:05.049
I hear you. I've been told that I have some of

00:17:05.049 --> 00:17:08.390
your signature cocktail songs coming to me. I

00:17:08.390 --> 00:17:11.769
was about to ask, did that arrive yet? No, Bill

00:17:11.769 --> 00:17:13.769
has not arrived yet, so it's coming with him.

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Alright, that's right. I made enough for both

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of you guys to have. I know you tried it last

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year, but I think I hopped it up a little more

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this year. Nice. Bill said it rivals St. Elmo's.

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That's what he says. That's what he says. Well,

00:17:29.190 --> 00:17:30.349
let the audience know what we're talking about

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here. What do you, what do you, what kind of

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sauce do you make there, Bob? All right. So cocktail

00:17:35.069 --> 00:17:37.230
sauce, right? You know, you put it on whatever

00:17:37.230 --> 00:17:39.509
shrimp or whatever you want, you know, dip, you

00:17:39.509 --> 00:17:42.690
know, ketchup, horseradish, you know, I'm not

00:17:42.690 --> 00:17:46.049
going to tell you my what's in there, but I might

00:17:46.049 --> 00:17:49.170
have a, I might, I might have a little post retirement

00:17:49.170 --> 00:17:51.130
business opportunity there. I might want to.

00:17:51.369 --> 00:17:54.269
put it into some bottles and maybe sell it, but

00:17:54.269 --> 00:17:58.849
it's good. Last year I told Bill about it and

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I said, hey, I want to try this because I know

00:18:01.829 --> 00:18:04.309
you like St. Elmo's and he goes, yeah, your stuff

00:18:04.309 --> 00:18:05.970
probably can't touch that. And then I brought

00:18:05.970 --> 00:18:09.410
it over to him last year and everything else

00:18:09.410 --> 00:18:15.609
went fine. And then just one thing. So St. Elmo's.

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Oh, sorry. No, it's okay. So I had I gave him

00:18:21.250 --> 00:18:23.450
some and he's like, he's like, Oh, he's he made

00:18:23.450 --> 00:18:25.230
a video with one of his girls. And he's like,

00:18:25.309 --> 00:18:27.789
this stuff is unbelievable. I was like, okay,

00:18:27.910 --> 00:18:31.349
good. Happy to hear it. So I had him bring you

00:18:31.349 --> 00:18:33.230
some last year. And I think you said you liked

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it. So yes, more on the way. Sweet. So St. Elmo's

00:18:37.769 --> 00:18:41.450
is a very famous legendary steakhouse in Indianapolis.

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And they have this their cocktail sauces like

00:18:45.170 --> 00:18:47.609
the horseradish they use is off the fucking charts

00:18:47.609 --> 00:18:51.119
hot. yeah cocktail sauce is so good but like

00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:52.980
it's very common you'll take someone new there

00:18:52.980 --> 00:18:54.680
and they're like they you know they get the shrimp

00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:56.920
you have to get the shrimp cocktail and they

00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:58.559
get it and they're like they take a big dollop

00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:02.160
of this shit and you just see it's like their

00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:06.880
sign is yeah horseradish is a unique spice because

00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:09.859
it like gets into your nasal acids it's kind

00:19:09.859 --> 00:19:15.019
of like wasabi Yes, very very very similar to

00:19:15.019 --> 00:19:17.400
the wasabi burn right up your nose into your

00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:19.619
nasal cavity into the back of your eyes and then

00:19:19.619 --> 00:19:23.099
it goes away real fast, right? So it's but it's

00:19:23.099 --> 00:19:25.960
intense Interesting about wasabi is like 90 %

00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.319
of wasabi that you have is not real What do you

00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:32.299
mean? It's fake. It's fake. It's basically horse

00:19:32.299 --> 00:19:35.619
radish color green because wasabi is only grown

00:19:35.619 --> 00:19:38.140
in like one little region in japan along some

00:19:38.140 --> 00:19:40.500
fucking creeks and it's like really hard to grow

00:19:40.500 --> 00:19:44.220
so you probably have not had real wasabi in your

00:19:44.220 --> 00:19:47.519
life that's crazy you're just over there having

00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:51.579
green horseradish yes well hey they fooled me

00:19:51.579 --> 00:19:53.759
because i'm over there thinking i'm listen that's

00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:57.420
how i eat my sushi wasabi soy sauce and then

00:19:57.420 --> 00:19:59.380
ginger on top i know ginger is supposed to clear

00:19:59.380 --> 00:20:02.319
the palate but I just I just throw it all on

00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:04.259
there and then munch the nice piece of sushi

00:20:04.259 --> 00:20:06.000
and I'm in heaven. Oh, you were there kicked

00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.160
out of the sushi Nazi in L .A. You got kicked

00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.319
the fuck out of there. I'm sorry. I'm sure I

00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:14.779
was out. So, Bob, are you doing anything for

00:20:14.779 --> 00:20:19.900
Kwanzaa today? No, no. It's also I've learned

00:20:19.900 --> 00:20:21.579
from my Australian friend something or something

00:20:21.579 --> 00:20:23.779
called Boxing Day, which is what they have down

00:20:23.779 --> 00:20:27.099
there. Let's like Canada. Chad, you know, they're

00:20:27.099 --> 00:20:29.740
the same. Yeah, that's a Canadian thing that's,

00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:32.660
I guess, from the British Isles, right? When

00:20:32.660 --> 00:20:34.960
they spread out everything, some of those traditions

00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:37.140
of Canada. Yeah, Australia shares the same thing.

00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:40.940
That's that's true. And there's a story behind

00:20:40.940 --> 00:20:44.279
that. I believe it's Boxing Day. And the rumor

00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.779
is it's everything you don't you have to bring

00:20:46.779 --> 00:20:49.480
back to the store. You box it up and bring it

00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:51.920
back. But I think that's the old wives tale version

00:20:51.920 --> 00:20:55.099
of what it means. Oh, I thought it was like sport

00:20:55.099 --> 00:20:58.660
boxing, like where people know. Oh, so they're

00:20:58.660 --> 00:21:02.380
box up your shit. Hmm. Take your take your stuff

00:21:02.380 --> 00:21:04.900
back to the store today. But I think I don't

00:21:04.900 --> 00:21:07.400
believe that's 100 percent accurate. But that's

00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:10.359
like what I've been told as a side story from

00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:13.900
some of my Canadian friends. So it's it's interesting.

00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:20.039
But, yep, lots of holidays to dig into. But yeah,

00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:22.900
so I guess. I guess with everything, I think

00:21:22.900 --> 00:21:25.319
I caught some of the stuff when I came on. I

00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:27.579
was a few minutes late. I heard you guys talking

00:21:27.579 --> 00:21:31.059
about Five and Birds of Prey and that I heard

00:21:31.059 --> 00:21:32.660
you said you were listening to some of that stuff.

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Did you guys see what I put out in the groups

00:21:35.700 --> 00:21:39.220
last week? Yeah, that's how we got on the conversation.

00:21:39.460 --> 00:21:44.160
He wasn't sure if it was that. Yeah, that's what

00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:46.220
I know. I didn't see it. I have to check it out.

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It's a bad recording, right? It's somebody's

00:21:49.450 --> 00:21:52.589
up in the balcony. It's obstructed most of the

00:21:52.589 --> 00:21:55.630
time. The sound is good and bad, but it's the

00:21:55.630 --> 00:21:59.829
whole show, the 61198 show with Chameleon. And

00:21:59.829 --> 00:22:01.950
I know Jimmy has the videos, right? And he's

00:22:01.950 --> 00:22:04.009
had some that he put on the Friends Alive website

00:22:04.009 --> 00:22:06.089
years and years ago that I think you can find

00:22:06.089 --> 00:22:09.509
on some archive somewhere. But those, some songs

00:22:09.509 --> 00:22:12.549
never saw the video, right? Some of those unreleased

00:22:12.549 --> 00:22:16.400
things. So that people in the... The fan base

00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:18.980
has been clamoring for New City for years and

00:22:18.980 --> 00:22:22.200
years and years, like the Lost Gem. You know,

00:22:22.339 --> 00:22:24.380
that's the first time I heard it, right? I never

00:22:24.380 --> 00:22:25.880
heard it either because I didn't go to those

00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:29.380
shows. I was working, flying, doing something.

00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:32.460
I wasn't available. But yeah, I missed those.

00:22:32.460 --> 00:22:34.920
It would have been good to see. But you get to

00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:37.180
hear it and it's it's it's really good. But I

00:22:37.180 --> 00:22:39.440
could see that why it didn't make the cut. It's

00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:41.480
got a little bit different sound that doesn't

00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:44.589
go with the distance to hear. So. It's, it's,

00:22:44.650 --> 00:22:46.069
but it's, you know, it's in those other ones,

00:22:46.210 --> 00:22:48.529
like Don't Wait and, you know, Vine Street, you

00:22:48.529 --> 00:22:50.089
know, those other ones that have a little bit

00:22:50.089 --> 00:22:52.890
more rock and tone, but they, they didn't fit

00:22:52.890 --> 00:22:55.710
the flow of the record. But, but no, well, there's

00:22:55.710 --> 00:22:58.690
always a first for everything, I guess. Sure.

00:22:59.490 --> 00:23:01.450
Now that video was kind of cool too, because

00:23:01.450 --> 00:23:03.990
the person shooting it, they kind of did like

00:23:03.990 --> 00:23:06.849
a documentary style as they were going to the

00:23:06.849 --> 00:23:09.630
concert, which was cool. And that video is perfect.

00:23:10.269 --> 00:23:13.490
Yeah. No, the person recording gets a little

00:23:13.490 --> 00:23:16.269
drunk or something, but he starts like recording

00:23:16.269 --> 00:23:18.329
just like a black background for most of the

00:23:18.329 --> 00:23:20.589
show. I'm like, what's going on here? Do you

00:23:20.589 --> 00:23:23.349
have any insight behind that, Bob? So I know

00:23:23.349 --> 00:23:25.730
I know this this guy, this film. All right. The

00:23:25.730 --> 00:23:28.069
guy that filmed it is mentioned in the YouTube

00:23:28.069 --> 00:23:30.769
channel. Now, this guy's website, I don't know

00:23:30.769 --> 00:23:33.089
if it's the same guy, but I've seen this guy.

00:23:33.170 --> 00:23:36.930
I saw this guy film in Van Halen in 2015 down

00:23:36.930 --> 00:23:39.670
in Camden because I went to that show and I saw

00:23:39.670 --> 00:23:42.089
this guy with a rig. like he had a backpack and

00:23:42.089 --> 00:23:43.769
he had a rig in it and I was like you know what

00:23:43.769 --> 00:23:46.029
I saw his YouTube videos and they were where

00:23:46.029 --> 00:23:48.890
I was sitting and I was like then I saw that

00:23:48.890 --> 00:23:53.109
he did the Allentown Fairgrounds show in 95 throwing

00:23:53.109 --> 00:23:55.529
copper that's on his channel this guy has thousands

00:23:55.529 --> 00:23:58.869
of bootleg concert videos on his channel I mean

00:23:58.869 --> 00:24:02.079
everything from like the the late the late early

00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:05.259
90s late 89 right through right through today

00:24:05.259 --> 00:24:08.119
like he's still filming them so there's always

00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:10.279
the guy that tapes it apparently tapes it and

00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:12.319
then this guy audits them or whatever and puts

00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.400
them on the channel but yeah if you browse it

00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:17.259
you'll you'll find all kinds of stuff when i

00:24:17.259 --> 00:24:18.740
was looking at that the other night i was like

00:24:18.740 --> 00:24:22.579
man this guy's got everything that's been filmed

00:24:22.579 --> 00:24:26.059
mostly east coast new york new jersey philadelphia

00:24:26.059 --> 00:24:28.819
you know mostly east coast stuff right you know

00:24:29.429 --> 00:24:32.210
logistically, it's it's logistically easy to

00:24:32.210 --> 00:24:35.650
get to so many shows in this area. Yeah. So,

00:24:35.650 --> 00:24:38.349
yep. And that's a little background that I know

00:24:38.349 --> 00:24:40.990
about it. He was doing it during the time when

00:24:40.990 --> 00:24:44.210
it was like heavily frowned upon doing. Oh, yeah.

00:24:44.470 --> 00:24:47.410
That could be part of the reason why it's, you

00:24:47.410 --> 00:24:49.730
know, filming whatever at some point, maybe just.

00:24:49.829 --> 00:24:52.509
And they were there were the handheld camcorders

00:24:52.509 --> 00:24:54.390
of the day. If you remember, you'd be able to

00:24:54.390 --> 00:24:56.789
sneak them in if you you somehow have a you put

00:24:56.789 --> 00:25:00.210
a coat on and. you know i snuck stuff into live

00:25:00.210 --> 00:25:02.309
shows i'll tell them chad that i think i told

00:25:02.309 --> 00:25:04.730
them that in the past i i snuck tape recorder

00:25:04.730 --> 00:25:08.990
into pnc art center once i i've done i've done

00:25:08.990 --> 00:25:12.269
stuff right just to say i did it but it was it

00:25:12.269 --> 00:25:15.529
was crappy but yeah anyway it's come a long way

00:25:15.529 --> 00:25:17.990
now you could just stand there point and shoot

00:25:17.990 --> 00:25:20.890
with your with your phone and i use the audio

00:25:20.890 --> 00:25:23.589
mic condenser mic when i did them on the youtube

00:25:23.589 --> 00:25:27.220
channel stuff and it's good but you know people

00:25:27.220 --> 00:25:29.539
frown, people don't frown, it depends on what

00:25:29.539 --> 00:25:32.500
the band will allow you to do, right? For the

00:25:32.500 --> 00:25:34.819
venue, to the venue. Yeah, we were just talking

00:25:34.819 --> 00:25:36.940
about this, Bob, about why, like in hindsight,

00:25:37.099 --> 00:25:40.259
why we even gave a shit if people recorded everything

00:25:40.259 --> 00:25:43.180
and fucking, you know, it's like, it's like nowadays,

00:25:43.779 --> 00:25:46.079
like everyone, it's encouraged because it can

00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.339
go viral or it can go on people's YouTubes, it

00:25:48.339 --> 00:25:51.059
gets spread around. Exactly. It's a whole different

00:25:51.059 --> 00:25:54.740
perspective now, right? So, before proprietary...

00:25:54.490 --> 00:25:56.809
I don't want new unreleased songs out there.

00:25:57.029 --> 00:25:59.890
And I'll tell you that when you guys played Bethlehem

00:25:59.890 --> 00:26:03.849
Music Fest 2017, I was there with Rich and Chris

00:26:03.849 --> 00:26:06.670
and a bunch of the other other other fans. And

00:26:06.670 --> 00:26:11.289
you guys did 10 ,000 cups, right? You did it

00:26:11.289 --> 00:26:13.829
in the soundcheck, right? We heard it. We were

00:26:13.829 --> 00:26:16.069
standing outside the venue there. We heard it

00:26:16.069 --> 00:26:17.750
because you guys were sound checking. And then

00:26:18.009 --> 00:26:20.630
We were there with you guys in the back and we

00:26:20.630 --> 00:26:22.569
saw this. We saw the set list that was on there,

00:26:22.569 --> 00:26:24.309
but it never got played. So I don't know who

00:26:24.309 --> 00:26:26.910
nixed it. Was it Ed or was it was a tailor that

00:26:26.910 --> 00:26:29.089
nixed it because it didn't get played? And I

00:26:29.089 --> 00:26:31.309
don't know if it's because we were there filming

00:26:31.309 --> 00:26:33.670
or whatever. I don't know. I think it's probably

00:26:33.670 --> 00:26:36.490
Ed. He seemed to like he would mix at the time.

00:26:36.490 --> 00:26:38.869
He seemed he would mix like we would put stuff

00:26:38.869 --> 00:26:41.829
in the set that we are either fucking like, you

00:26:41.829 --> 00:26:45.410
know, in new recordings or like older songs or

00:26:45.410 --> 00:26:48.490
deeper, deeper cut tracks. He would usually nix

00:26:48.490 --> 00:26:50.190
them during the show because he's like, I want

00:26:50.190 --> 00:26:53.470
to do it right now. Okay. Okay. But now it's

00:26:53.470 --> 00:26:55.890
funny because, you know, we're not in the band

00:26:55.890 --> 00:26:59.750
now and it's like, he's playing these great fucking,

00:26:59.869 --> 00:27:02.089
these great set lists. I guess Zach is in charge

00:27:02.089 --> 00:27:04.089
of the set list. I'm like, why the fuck do we

00:27:04.089 --> 00:27:06.829
play this shit in 17, 18 and 19? Like, I would

00:27:06.829 --> 00:27:09.589
have loved to play all that stuff. Yeah, it's

00:27:09.589 --> 00:27:15.579
always been a, I guess a... How would I characterize

00:27:15.579 --> 00:27:19.119
it, you know, who's who's who's responsible for?

00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:23.200
For that, right? So you know, on stage, it was

00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:24.900
always that he would be like, no, we can't play

00:27:24.900 --> 00:27:28.660
it. Let's get it. OK. It almost like you thought

00:27:28.660 --> 00:27:31.920
like casual fans were coming to the show, not

00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:33.960
like hardcore fans like it almost seemed like

00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.400
you thought, you know, fans were coming just

00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:39.819
for the hits when your fans want to hear everything.

00:27:39.859 --> 00:27:42.000
It wasn't, you know, wasn't just as especially

00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.650
because Somebody like me. I'm sure somebody like

00:27:44.650 --> 00:27:49.150
Bob if you guys came to you know our area New

00:27:49.150 --> 00:27:50.869
York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania I was hitting

00:27:50.869 --> 00:27:53.650
up a bunch of shows so I didn't need to I alone

00:27:53.650 --> 00:27:56.910
and all over you three times I could have they

00:27:56.910 --> 00:28:00.029
traded them in for stage or TBD or some cool

00:28:00.029 --> 00:28:04.609
shit, you know Yeah, I that's that's exactly

00:28:04.609 --> 00:28:06.769
what I would say is I would I would prefer to

00:28:06.769 --> 00:28:09.089
hear something that's not played a lot or something

00:28:09.089 --> 00:28:11.859
that might be new and you know Go ahead, Chad.

00:28:11.940 --> 00:28:13.119
I think you were going to say something. Sorry

00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:16.460
there. Oh, I was just, yeah, I was kind of, you

00:28:16.460 --> 00:28:19.259
know, vamping on that. Like, yeah, we, it's always

00:28:19.259 --> 00:28:22.559
seemed to be on stage, at least Ed, but Chad

00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:24.319
would put together the set list for the night

00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:26.380
and then they would have something cool in it

00:28:26.380 --> 00:28:28.480
that we rehearsed or we'd do it a sound check.

00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:31.420
And then I don't know if it's just show flow

00:28:31.420 --> 00:28:33.680
or what it was for Ed, but yeah, it's like, no,

00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:35.700
don't skip it. We're going on the next song.

00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:40.539
Okay. I understand. Yeah, I understand the newer

00:28:40.539 --> 00:28:42.740
stuff, right? If you guys were just, if they're

00:28:42.740 --> 00:28:45.839
in there, they're still working songs, right?

00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:47.700
That you guys would call them working, but they're

00:28:47.700 --> 00:28:50.259
not the same as when they got released. So John,

00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:52.819
like when they would put old stuff out, like

00:28:52.819 --> 00:28:54.799
you would hear some of the early throwing copper

00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.000
stuff at the end of the mental jewelry tour,

00:28:57.019 --> 00:28:59.180
or they didn't have them fully done. You heard

00:28:59.180 --> 00:29:00.900
different, some little different arrangements

00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:03.200
on the songs, right? They're called those working

00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:05.640
so that they don't, they're not the final versions,

00:29:05.900 --> 00:29:07.940
but they're similar enough, but you'll hear that

00:29:07.940 --> 00:29:10.720
there's slight differences in the Ed might have

00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:13.299
a different lyric or there might be a different

00:29:13.299 --> 00:29:16.119
bridge fill or the Chad might do or you know

00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:18.319
there's always some little nuance and all the

00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.099
big fans are like oh we got to have that version

00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:22.160
of that song that's great why can't you go and

00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:26.460
play it like that or you know me being a long

00:29:26.460 --> 00:29:28.759
time fan and you know I didn't get a chance to

00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.559
see you guys when you were in mental jury or

00:29:31.990 --> 00:29:34.509
throwing copper tours. I didn't get a chance.

00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:37.650
So the first time I saw was Secret Samadhi. And

00:29:37.650 --> 00:29:39.549
I was like, oh, it was like a year and a half

00:29:39.549 --> 00:29:41.630
built up and to see that. And I was like, you

00:29:41.630 --> 00:29:43.349
know what, I can't wait to go to that because

00:29:43.349 --> 00:29:46.390
it'll be it'll be real for me just not just hearing

00:29:46.390 --> 00:29:49.569
it on the record or the radio and the TV, you

00:29:49.569 --> 00:29:52.049
know, with MTV. But when I saw the first time

00:29:52.049 --> 00:29:56.289
I was in a transform to another place that I

00:29:56.289 --> 00:29:58.789
don't think I've ever been to at a show because

00:29:58.789 --> 00:30:02.200
I felt like I was just standing. in the in the

00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:05.000
crowd and just like my body was vibrating like

00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:06.680
you put your finger in a light socket you would

00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:09.539
get that hold your the pins and needles will

00:30:09.539 --> 00:30:12.019
go up on your body oh yeah when i heard some

00:30:12.019 --> 00:30:13.900
of the songs like because you guys did i think

00:30:13.900 --> 00:30:17.039
you did t i don't think you did tbd but you guys

00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:20.819
did gasset goes west and i think you did graze

00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:23.839
and i was like oh my god now that's just that

00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.740
was just the sound the whole band was so tight

00:30:26.740 --> 00:30:30.279
then I mean, it would rival any band. You know,

00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.039
I thought you guys were the top of your game

00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.460
in Secret Samadhi. And I think a lot of fans

00:30:35.460 --> 00:30:39.599
felt that that that version alive was just powerful

00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.740
enough. A four piece, right? You guys were four

00:30:42.740 --> 00:30:45.039
piece and everything was just like, man, that's

00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:46.920
just so clicked in. You would hear the record,

00:30:47.019 --> 00:30:49.380
go see them. There's no difference. It's like,

00:30:49.380 --> 00:30:54.200
man, that's really rare. Right. Yeah. I mean,

00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:56.039
we took pride in it, too, and being a four piece

00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:58.519
and then You know, want to start adding a keyboard

00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:00.519
player and all this bullshit. I was like, whatever.

00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:03.720
I've always wanted to be more rocking in the

00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.099
band. Yeah. We just kind of floated away from

00:31:07.099 --> 00:31:11.779
that. But yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting.

00:31:12.299 --> 00:31:15.099
It seemed like somewhere between and I think

00:31:15.099 --> 00:31:17.480
I've heard other fans say this, like, I don't

00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:22.480
know if it was after 99 or after 2000. Ed almost

00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.500
went like he wasn't using that real Graspiness

00:31:26.500 --> 00:31:28.599
to his voice, like when he would, you know, like

00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:30.680
yell and stuff like, you know, he almost made

00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:35.660
it like, um, like, uh, I don't want to say a

00:31:35.660 --> 00:31:38.200
pussy way of singing for him, but it just wasn't

00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:40.740
that great that he once had and that angst in

00:31:40.740 --> 00:31:42.079
it. Bob, do you know what I'm talking about?

00:31:42.299 --> 00:31:44.460
Like, yeah. So, so let me give you a little background

00:31:44.460 --> 00:31:46.980
on that. When you guys did the distance to hear

00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:50.140
poor in 99 and you were on the East coast, you

00:31:50.140 --> 00:31:52.559
played the tower theater and Ed was sick. All

00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.849
right. Remember Ed was very sick. and then they

00:31:54.849 --> 00:31:57.009
can you guys canceled a bunch of shows after

00:31:57.009 --> 00:32:00.930
like November 20th or whatever and you guys postponed

00:32:00.930 --> 00:32:03.609
the the New Year's Eve show and Hershey because

00:32:03.609 --> 00:32:07.509
he was really sick his voice his voice I don't

00:32:07.509 --> 00:32:10.190
think ever was that edgy after that I don't know

00:32:10.190 --> 00:32:12.970
if he screwed up his vocal cords but he played

00:32:12.970 --> 00:32:16.450
he sang a lot softer than for several years and

00:32:16.450 --> 00:32:19.349
well now he's a little bit more edgy but not

00:32:19.349 --> 00:32:22.920
not that older older mental jewelry voice because

00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.039
your voice changes you guys were kids right your

00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.960
voice still changes yeah so and that stuff you

00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:32.599
put it in a bottle but i i knew that he was his

00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:34.700
voice was he was having issues with his voice

00:32:34.700 --> 00:32:38.140
and you know but that's my take on it and yeah

00:32:38.140 --> 00:32:39.920
but i hear what you're saying about him sounding

00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:44.059
softer and more pitchy and whatever i yeah but

00:32:44.059 --> 00:32:46.220
there's there's that's what i think is the reason

00:32:46.220 --> 00:32:49.099
but there could be others i don't know but that's

00:32:49.099 --> 00:32:52.750
what i think yeah I mean, that probably played

00:32:52.750 --> 00:32:54.769
into it, but also I think he's just learning

00:32:54.769 --> 00:32:59.250
how to sing properly as well over those years.

00:33:00.089 --> 00:33:02.690
That's true. In the early years, he was just

00:33:02.690 --> 00:33:07.450
singing the way he was. When you naturally start

00:33:07.450 --> 00:33:11.230
to sing, you don't support your diaphragm correctly

00:33:11.230 --> 00:33:14.809
and you're not supporting your vocal chords correctly

00:33:14.809 --> 00:33:19.420
and that can lead to harming them. Okay, I think

00:33:19.420 --> 00:33:21.539
if I remember correctly, he may have been taking

00:33:21.539 --> 00:33:24.900
I don't say vocal lessons but getting Lessons

00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:28.599
on how to breathe right? Yeah, I remember reading

00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:32.319
something about that. Yeah Well, I was gonna

00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.319
I just remember I want to touch on something

00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.839
going back to the bootleg thing at some point

00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:39.000
Chad Taylor and I we had this whole conversation

00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.400
during when we were making the gracious shoe

00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:45.220
stuff about putting out each version of the song

00:33:45.220 --> 00:33:49.299
as we wrote it and like how it would like mature

00:33:49.299 --> 00:33:50.960
into what it became on the record yeah they're

00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:52.940
definitely they're definitely different because

00:33:52.940 --> 00:33:55.359
i john i have some of them they're they're definitely

00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.859
different guys that would have been very cool

00:33:58.859 --> 00:34:00.839
yeah so i mean chad and i actually talked about

00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:02.900
doing that like putting out each version of the

00:34:02.900 --> 00:34:06.259
song like we wrote it here it is raw like the

00:34:06.259 --> 00:34:08.920
way we put it together and then it gets a little

00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:12.010
bit more But obviously never did that, but it

00:34:12.010 --> 00:34:15.170
was a good idea. That's a great idea. I wonder

00:34:15.170 --> 00:34:17.889
why. Well, I mean, I'm sure there is logistics

00:34:17.889 --> 00:34:19.769
on why you guys didn't do that. But I wonder

00:34:19.769 --> 00:34:22.909
why more bands don't do that. Maybe because it's

00:34:22.909 --> 00:34:25.309
so easy to do now. If a band has a YouTube channel,

00:34:25.329 --> 00:34:27.369
you just like here, we just wrote the song. Check

00:34:27.369 --> 00:34:30.510
it out. Right. And then, you know, a couple of

00:34:30.510 --> 00:34:32.630
maybe a week or two or three or whatever a month

00:34:32.630 --> 00:34:35.309
later. Oh, here's here's how the song sounds

00:34:35.309 --> 00:34:37.690
now. Now we're going to record it. This is the

00:34:37.690 --> 00:34:40.280
actual recording. You know, whatever. Yeah. Yeah,

00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:42.780
that's a good point. Especially if you did it

00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:45.420
with Honest Man because you went with, it started

00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:48.219
off Believe with Live and then it went into Honest

00:34:48.219 --> 00:34:51.860
Man with The Gracious Fuso to see the transition.

00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:54.260
That would have been cool from when you guys

00:34:54.260 --> 00:34:57.320
first had Kevin start to put his spin on it up

00:34:57.320 --> 00:34:58.940
until the release of it. That would have been

00:34:58.940 --> 00:35:01.900
really cool. And I don't think I'd say this this

00:35:01.900 --> 00:35:04.679
often, but that was the first time I was like,

00:35:04.699 --> 00:35:08.579
whoa, somebody could do something. a little bit

00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:10.940
better than Ed did with it, because I never thought

00:35:10.940 --> 00:35:12.619
that before. I thought Ed was the man, the myth,

00:35:12.659 --> 00:35:15.159
the legend. So to have him put his spin on a

00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:16.179
song, I was like, all right, that's got to be

00:35:16.179 --> 00:35:18.679
the best it could be. And then you hear Kevin

00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:21.739
come in with, you know, there's a riot in mind.

00:35:21.739 --> 00:35:24.000
And then you guys just start jamming on. I'm

00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.179
like, oh, dude. Well, as I said before about

00:35:27.179 --> 00:35:30.440
that topic, I don't think at that point communication

00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:33.920
and broken down, we were like. About to go our

00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.920
separate ways and we gave that to Ed. And I mean,

00:35:36.980 --> 00:35:38.840
like I said, I don't. I don't think he put his

00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.840
best best effort into it just because he didn't

00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.519
feel like doing it time. I don't know. That's

00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.659
my opinion. But and it wasn't all his, you know,

00:35:47.659 --> 00:35:49.739
like he didn't write it start to finish. He just

00:35:49.739 --> 00:35:52.199
kind of came in and put melodies and lyrics over

00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:55.300
it. Right. Yeah, but that was a cool song. I

00:35:55.300 --> 00:35:59.300
saw that you guys played at someplace in Atlantic

00:35:59.300 --> 00:36:01.420
City, maybe showboat or something right before

00:36:01.420 --> 00:36:05.059
the hiatus in 2009. And you guys played that

00:36:05.059 --> 00:36:06.670
there and it was. It was definitely cool. But

00:36:06.670 --> 00:36:08.250
then to hear the Gracious Few version, I was

00:36:08.250 --> 00:36:12.110
like, whoa, I almost put together at first to

00:36:12.110 --> 00:36:14.389
realize that they were the same song, because

00:36:14.389 --> 00:36:16.989
even though the core of it's the same, it's just

00:36:16.989 --> 00:36:22.210
it's a lot different. Mm hmm. Yeah. And we brought

00:36:22.210 --> 00:36:23.989
it up. So we played it for Kevin. He was like,

00:36:23.989 --> 00:36:26.650
that's bad. So, you know, obviously it was the

00:36:26.650 --> 00:36:31.170
excitement of the new the new thing and. And

00:36:31.170 --> 00:36:34.219
rocking out again, so. Now with the gracious

00:36:34.219 --> 00:36:37.360
few Chad, I think I heard this I might be mistaken

00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.679
but I thought I heard that Chad Taylor like kind

00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:44.440
of didn't want the Responsibility of being like

00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:46.800
the lead guitarist. He wanted to be more background

00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.860
in this band, but it seems like he Really took

00:36:50.860 --> 00:36:53.460
over the the lead guitarist role in that and

00:36:53.460 --> 00:36:56.079
really You know put his heart and soul into it.

00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:58.739
Do I have that twisted? Did I I thought I remember

00:36:58.739 --> 00:37:00.659
hearing like he wanted more of like a backseat

00:37:00.659 --> 00:37:03.679
role And then it just didn't seem to turn out

00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:08.719
that way. I mean, Chad is not going to take a

00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:11.679
back seat, even if he says he's going to. But

00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:15.099
as far as like solos, he would hand those off

00:37:15.099 --> 00:37:18.260
to Sean, like most of the solo for Sean, because

00:37:18.260 --> 00:37:21.369
Sean is... Chad's a great guitar player and he

00:37:21.369 --> 00:37:23.570
does his thing, but he's not an amazing soloist.

00:37:23.809 --> 00:37:27.070
Like, he's not like a fucking, he's not that

00:37:27.070 --> 00:37:28.650
kind of guy. He's never been that kind of guy.

00:37:29.130 --> 00:37:31.469
But Sean, Sean could play anything at the time.

00:37:31.570 --> 00:37:33.449
I mean, he was fucking, he's still, he's still

00:37:33.449 --> 00:37:35.070
an amazing guitar player. But he - The good,

00:37:35.070 --> 00:37:37.130
the good thing about those shows is that Sean

00:37:37.130 --> 00:37:39.969
and Chad played off each other during the shows

00:37:39.969 --> 00:37:41.690
and they, where, where there was a solo that

00:37:41.690 --> 00:37:43.670
Sean would do, Chad would come in and they would

00:37:43.670 --> 00:37:46.170
actually duel, right? Some of them are duels

00:37:46.170 --> 00:37:49.889
like - I think it was, what is it, Crying Time

00:37:49.889 --> 00:37:53.750
had dual souls and Chad would do an outro solo.

00:37:53.909 --> 00:37:56.409
It was, it was definitely what you said, John,

00:37:56.670 --> 00:38:00.289
mostly, you know, Chad did do a few more solos

00:38:00.289 --> 00:38:06.010
in that arrangement than before. Right. But it

00:38:06.010 --> 00:38:08.849
was just fantastic stuff, you know. Yeah, and

00:38:08.849 --> 00:38:10.510
most of those, you know, most of those songs

00:38:10.510 --> 00:38:13.269
were, you know, Chad Taylor guitar riff ideas

00:38:13.269 --> 00:38:18.050
that we fucking wrote, which are... Crying time.

00:38:19.070 --> 00:38:22.309
That song I could put on repeat and just listen.

00:38:22.389 --> 00:38:23.630
I remember the first time I heard it, I was like,

00:38:23.650 --> 00:38:28.110
wow, that is a crying time. It's like a slower

00:38:28.110 --> 00:38:30.610
song on there, but just the lyrics are great.

00:38:30.730 --> 00:38:32.789
The band sounds awesome behind it. It's just,

00:38:32.989 --> 00:38:34.409
I remember hearing, I was like, wow, this is

00:38:34.409 --> 00:38:38.269
a really, really good song. Like, uh, and I kind

00:38:38.269 --> 00:38:43.800
of wrote that about, um, this guy, um, Oh shit,

00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:45.980
now I can't remember his name. Wendell something.

00:38:46.019 --> 00:38:48.820
Wendell, yeah. Thank you. Wendell was the, so

00:38:48.820 --> 00:38:51.500
Wendell was from Philadelphia and big fan of

00:38:51.500 --> 00:38:53.619
the bands. And he was like the doorman at the

00:38:53.619 --> 00:38:57.440
fucking Sunset Marquis whiskey bar. Wow. And

00:38:57.440 --> 00:38:59.460
so that was like the place to be in the nineties

00:38:59.460 --> 00:39:02.579
and like two thousands. And he would always like,

00:39:03.260 --> 00:39:05.980
he would always let us in. Because he was like

00:39:05.980 --> 00:39:08.099
he was fucking huge fan like I'm talking like

00:39:08.099 --> 00:39:10.260
no big Hollywood actors will be in this place

00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:12.559
like all the bands would be there Metallica like

00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:14.320
everyone stay at the Sunset Marquis go to the

00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:17.119
whiskey bar, right? It was always a scene and

00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.780
Wendell was fucking awesome So he and he loved

00:39:19.780 --> 00:39:22.159
Kevin as well Kevin was good actually good pretty

00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.039
good friends And then he he hooked up with the

00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:28.380
bass player from Smashing Pumpkins Darcy Nice

00:39:28.380 --> 00:39:30.840
who got him hooked on smack and that's how I

00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:35.139
died. Oh my god Yeah, I went from nice to oh,

00:39:35.260 --> 00:39:38.940
shit. Yeah. Does Wendell know that song about

00:39:38.940 --> 00:39:43.039
him or did he know he's dead? So did he know

00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.780
at the time or was he gone? He was already passed.

00:39:46.139 --> 00:39:50.159
Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Now those lyrics are

00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.300
so much more to me now that I know what that's

00:39:53.300 --> 00:39:56.119
about. Wow. It's crying time, but we're still

00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:58.519
young. Well, that's yeah. Those are deep, man.

00:40:00.089 --> 00:40:03.530
I kind of nailed on that one for sure. Yeah,

00:40:03.909 --> 00:40:07.710
that was a good one. Good one. And so I wanted

00:40:07.710 --> 00:40:09.989
to go back to when you guys were talking about

00:40:09.989 --> 00:40:13.829
the host distance to here. Well, when I think

00:40:13.829 --> 00:40:15.630
we talked, was it two weeks ago you were talking

00:40:15.630 --> 00:40:19.289
about the bras on the stage story? Yeah, two

00:40:19.289 --> 00:40:23.010
or three weeks ago, something like that. I was

00:40:23.010 --> 00:40:26.230
at that show. Didn't you give me the count via

00:40:26.230 --> 00:40:30.889
text? I was amazed. I was like, wait a minute.

00:40:31.050 --> 00:40:33.090
This doesn't normally happen at a live show,

00:40:33.289 --> 00:40:37.570
but soon after school. I was like, let's get

00:40:37.570 --> 00:40:39.809
as many as we can. Well, if you remember, I was

00:40:39.809 --> 00:40:41.969
in the front, right at front center and there

00:40:41.969 --> 00:40:44.550
was a woman named Susan to my left. Oh yeah,

00:40:44.610 --> 00:40:48.929
Susan. You may remember that fan and she was,

00:40:49.750 --> 00:40:53.159
she had no clothes on. No, of course not dude.

00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:55.820
She was not whatever happened to Susan after

00:40:55.820 --> 00:40:58.960
after we broke up in 2009 like she was gone Never

00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.139
seen her again. I don't know the last time I

00:41:01.139 --> 00:41:06.360
think I saw her Might have been 2003. She was

00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:14.019
literally in the crowd Where depends to get and

00:41:14.019 --> 00:41:16.559
get there and be in the front and she were where

00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:20.309
depends so she didn't have to leave Wow She would

00:41:20.309 --> 00:41:22.210
get there super early, always be in the front

00:41:22.210 --> 00:41:24.230
and then have depends on literally she would

00:41:24.230 --> 00:41:25.949
depend so she could stand in the front all the

00:41:25.949 --> 00:41:29.050
time. She was one of the super groupie fans.

00:41:29.550 --> 00:41:31.969
And I think back to what I said, I think I blast

00:41:31.969 --> 00:41:37.690
him. I saw her was the Dennis Rodman show at

00:41:37.690 --> 00:41:40.769
Atlantic City at Taj Mahal because I was, that

00:41:40.769 --> 00:41:43.369
was my birthday and I was at that show with some

00:41:43.369 --> 00:41:46.409
friends and I happened to catch her in the crowd

00:41:46.409 --> 00:41:49.190
and I met Dennis in the bar, which was cool.

00:41:49.630 --> 00:41:55.449
That was nice. But there's a lot of memorable

00:41:55.449 --> 00:41:58.409
stuff. I can't put the stories like Jimmy Lang

00:41:58.409 --> 00:42:01.469
can, but I've been to enough shows where I can

00:42:01.469 --> 00:42:04.150
memorize what happened during the day and what

00:42:04.150 --> 00:42:06.909
happened during the show or after the show. But

00:42:06.909 --> 00:42:09.829
at that show in Cobus School, New York, and that

00:42:09.829 --> 00:42:12.130
was postponed because of Ed being sick in the

00:42:12.130 --> 00:42:15.039
fall, right? Everything was moved. And it was,

00:42:15.139 --> 00:42:17.340
it was like freezing. It had to be like zero

00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:20.260
degrees out there in New York state. And I met

00:42:20.260 --> 00:42:23.539
you guys at the bus after the show. And I remember

00:42:23.539 --> 00:42:26.380
seeing, I think, I think Ed's wife was there.

00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:28.619
I don't know. I don't know if all of his families,

00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.460
but I remember seeing Aaron with Ed and I was

00:42:31.460 --> 00:42:35.059
like, it was cool. It was, it was interesting.

00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:36.980
It was interesting ride home discussion. That's

00:42:36.980 --> 00:42:39.300
for sure. After the fact, seeing all that on

00:42:39.300 --> 00:42:43.639
the stage. But I think, I think I forget the

00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:45.460
opening band. It might've been Jimmy's Chicken

00:42:45.460 --> 00:42:52.039
Shack. What year was that? 2000? 2000. February

00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:57.699
6th. So I got divorced in 99 and I was single

00:42:57.699 --> 00:43:02.219
until around 2002. Yes. And in that window of

00:43:02.219 --> 00:43:06.099
time, we all kind of went a little crazy. As

00:43:06.099 --> 00:43:08.940
you should. As you should. Hence the bras on

00:43:08.940 --> 00:43:13.530
stage. That was a new thing for us. Now Chad

00:43:13.530 --> 00:43:15.710
was this at the point where you guys were all

00:43:15.710 --> 00:43:18.050
like didn't you each have your own like tour

00:43:18.050 --> 00:43:22.170
bus like to go on tour was like Well at one point

00:43:22.170 --> 00:43:25.269
during maybe distance to here we Chad and Ed

00:43:25.269 --> 00:43:27.429
had their own buses because they wanted to bring

00:43:27.429 --> 00:43:30.869
out their families and Pat and I were on a bus

00:43:30.869 --> 00:43:33.670
like three buses. Yeah at that point I was gonna

00:43:33.670 --> 00:43:36.110
say that's that's crazy. I've never you know,

00:43:36.110 --> 00:43:38.210
you always hear bands traveling on a bus you

00:43:38.210 --> 00:43:41.429
guys had like two or three going yeah, and like

00:43:41.429 --> 00:43:44.260
even like these last tours we did in 17, 18,

00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:46.940
19, we had two buses, two, two van buses, so

00:43:46.940 --> 00:43:48.559
we could spread out and bring out families if

00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:52.159
they want to come out, kids and stuff. So, yeah,

00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:55.599
I mean, we were on one bus until, let's see,

00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:58.619
probably. Yeah. Most of Thurman Cotter were in

00:43:58.619 --> 00:44:00.559
one bus, and I think distance here, we had two

00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:03.039
van buses. And then we had three for distance

00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:05.139
to here. Never four though. Never, each of us

00:44:05.139 --> 00:44:07.500
never had our own bus. Well, the good, that's

00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:10.599
a little excessive. Did, have your kids ever

00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:14.039
come out or? Maybe not on stage, but side stage?

00:44:14.179 --> 00:44:16.099
Like, have they ever seen their dad, like, rocking

00:44:16.099 --> 00:44:19.079
out? Oh, yeah, yeah. There were a bunch of times,

00:44:19.179 --> 00:44:22.880
in 17, 18, 19. Actually, my son turned 10. We

00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:24.679
were playing in Phoenix. His name is Phoenix.

00:44:24.900 --> 00:44:27.679
He turned 10 on the day we played in Phoenix.

00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.900
So I brought him on stage, and it was the rare

00:44:31.900 --> 00:44:33.780
time where I got up to the front, took the mic,

00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.159
and had everyone, had the crowd sing happy birthday

00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:42.780
to him. Oh, cool. Phoenix in Phoenix turning

00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:46.239
on a birthday. Great, man. That's awesome. 10

00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:51.019
-21. 10 -21 -09. It's his birthday. The Music

00:44:51.019 --> 00:44:55.280
Fest show in Bethlehem in 2017, all the family

00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:57.840
was there, John, and they all had everybody come

00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.820
out at the end of the show and everybody came

00:45:00.820 --> 00:45:03.679
out, did the bow together. Yeah, wives, kids.

00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:06.880
Everyone was there across the front to take the

00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:11.139
bow. So that was cool. Yeah. As it should be.

00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:14.119
I mean, you guys, you know, your fans kind of

00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.159
feel like your family. So it only makes sense

00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:18.360
to have your family actually come up on stage

00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:21.480
and, you know, say hi to the say hi to the people.

00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:28.519
That was the time. The last show I went to, I

00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:31.519
guess, the Ridgefield Regency. I believe it was

00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:35.280
Ed's son. He. I got to go hang out backstage

00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.300
with them and Zach Lloyd brought me back there,

00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.619
but his son was behind a bar making people drinks.

00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:42.900
So I got up there just like grab a drink and

00:45:42.900 --> 00:45:44.760
Ed's son's like, what can I get you? I'm like,

00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:47.820
uh, I'll just take a beer. Like, I don't, I don't

00:45:47.820 --> 00:45:49.820
want you to have to mix a drink for me, but it

00:45:49.820 --> 00:45:52.300
was cool. The, uh, he was getting involved and

00:45:52.300 --> 00:45:55.260
he was personable and talking to everybody. And,

00:45:55.300 --> 00:45:57.219
um, you know, it was like a family affair back

00:45:57.219 --> 00:46:00.000
there. Interesting. Cool. Yeah. It was kind of

00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.860
cool. That was at the, uh, Ridgefield. Regency.

00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.500
Oh, Wendell's song, Bill. Bill Hines says Crying

00:46:05.500 --> 00:46:09.039
Time is called, I guess, Wendell's song, parentheses.

00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:11.960
That was the original. Yeah, that was the original

00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:16.039
working title. I mean, changes of Crying Time

00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:18.300
with, I guess, just in parentheses. Yeah, Wendell's

00:46:18.300 --> 00:46:21.480
song. Yeah, because that like that song could

00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.179
have been, you know, like, you know, in movie

00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:26.900
show, like in movies and TV shows like that had

00:46:26.900 --> 00:46:30.679
real good like appeal that if, you know, it could

00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.590
have been like in a party of five scene or something

00:46:33.590 --> 00:46:35.349
like that. Like if you don't know what it's about,

00:46:35.750 --> 00:46:38.190
like you just have vibe to it that the first

00:46:38.190 --> 00:46:42.269
a lot of times music needs to grow on you. And

00:46:42.269 --> 00:46:44.469
there was a bunch of songs on the gracious few

00:46:44.469 --> 00:46:46.590
album that they didn't need to grow on you. The

00:46:46.590 --> 00:46:47.969
first time you heard it, you're like, that's

00:46:47.969 --> 00:46:52.269
awesome. And that was one of them for me. Mm

00:46:52.269 --> 00:46:56.809
hmm. Good record. Yeah, it's a good record. Is

00:46:56.809 --> 00:46:59.440
the. Have you talked to anybody from Candlebox

00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:02.860
since those days? Like, are this Candlebox out

00:47:02.860 --> 00:47:05.420
doing stuff? Like, I don't even know. Kevin still

00:47:05.420 --> 00:47:07.960
does Candlebox. It's just him. There's no original

00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.820
members. I think 23 was his. He keeps threatening

00:47:12.820 --> 00:47:16.199
to retire and not do it again. I believe he did.

00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:22.280
They're done. I saw a photo from him and his

00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.139
son in the golf cart saying retirement is good.

00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:27.539
They were out golfing. He had a big cigar in

00:47:27.539 --> 00:47:30.440
his mouth and his son, his son's all grown up.

00:47:30.579 --> 00:47:32.159
Right. So they were, they were in a golf cart

00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.940
golfing together. So I said, enjoy it. He'll,

00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:37.960
I'm sure he'll scratch the itch when he's ready.

00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:41.179
Right. So sure. Yeah. Yeah. His, his wife is

00:47:41.179 --> 00:47:44.420
very successful. She makes some, uh, these crazy,

00:47:44.420 --> 00:47:47.559
uh, like really cool dresses that have like took

00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:49.500
off, taken off in Hollywood and like all the

00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:52.079
starware and stuff. So Like the couture dresses,

00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:53.920
they're like handmade? No, not couture, more

00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:58.179
like sundresses kind of thing. And I think she's

00:47:58.179 --> 00:48:01.739
doing very well with it, so. Well, doesn't couture,

00:48:01.780 --> 00:48:04.840
I don't know. I'm not a fashionista or fashion

00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.860
whatever, but doesn't couture just mean handmade?

00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:10.260
Like, I know that there's like juicy couturism,

00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.320
but I think doesn't the word couture just mean

00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:14.719
like handmade? I don't know. I don't know. I

00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:19.369
always. Liking it to like, you know, super high

00:48:19.369 --> 00:48:21.469
-end fancy dresses right there. Those are probably

00:48:21.469 --> 00:48:25.769
all handmade, which right sense Yeah, my femme

00:48:25.769 --> 00:48:29.230
feminine side is not Cracked out to cracked out

00:48:29.230 --> 00:48:30.670
to what it should be. You know, I should know

00:48:30.670 --> 00:48:35.409
these things Got the long hair So Bob, did you

00:48:35.409 --> 00:48:39.349
actually start the friends of live? Facebook

00:48:39.349 --> 00:48:44.489
fan page I did not you did not know I did not

00:48:44.489 --> 00:48:48.269
it was it started I believe it came to be by

00:48:48.269 --> 00:48:50.889
some other friends, other fans. I think it might've

00:48:50.889 --> 00:48:56.309
been Ali Petchel. It was right around the hiatus,

00:48:56.530 --> 00:49:00.409
I think, the first one. I did not start that.

00:49:00.929 --> 00:49:07.090
I've just been bequeathed the status and the

00:49:07.090 --> 00:49:11.010
Freaks for Live page was started. after that

00:49:11.010 --> 00:49:13.969
page that's that page came along during the Christian

00:49:13.969 --> 00:49:17.510
years and they're both of them are same admin

00:49:17.510 --> 00:49:19.909
group right just there was a second one started

00:49:19.909 --> 00:49:23.269
and the original friends alive was there before

00:49:23.269 --> 00:49:27.110
I joined Facebook I believe so it's been there

00:49:27.110 --> 00:49:30.170
since oh eight or oh nine so I'm pretty sure

00:49:30.170 --> 00:49:33.469
it's been it's been handed around to different

00:49:33.469 --> 00:49:36.570
fans and you know yeah because I see you but

00:49:36.570 --> 00:49:40.510
I did not start it What's crazy about our socials

00:49:40.510 --> 00:49:42.989
is that right as we broke up is when social media

00:49:42.989 --> 00:49:46.570
started taking off. So, like the live page on

00:49:46.570 --> 00:49:48.849
Facebook, I mean, I think it's pretty robust

00:49:48.849 --> 00:49:51.690
now, but at the time, you know, it was pretty

00:49:51.690 --> 00:49:55.090
crappy and Instagram, we're small. Like I think

00:49:55.090 --> 00:49:59.010
as far as live is concerned, like we, as for

00:49:59.010 --> 00:50:02.010
all of our contemporaries, like they have way

00:50:02.010 --> 00:50:06.010
more fans on Instagram than live does. Nowadays,

00:50:06.230 --> 00:50:09.469
when you book shows, they'll say, how many Instagram

00:50:09.469 --> 00:50:11.070
followers do you have? And they can never follow

00:50:11.070 --> 00:50:13.829
that metric with us because our Instagram page

00:50:13.829 --> 00:50:17.650
was way smaller than our actual draw for people

00:50:17.650 --> 00:50:21.570
for shows. I think it's still maybe 30 ,000 or

00:50:21.570 --> 00:50:23.389
something like that. It's ridiculous. It should

00:50:23.389 --> 00:50:25.829
be in the millions. But as I said, we broke up

00:50:25.829 --> 00:50:28.409
right as that shit started. And so no one was

00:50:28.409 --> 00:50:32.320
tending it. Right. Right. Yeah, well because

00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:35.139
I mean when you sell 25 million records you would

00:50:35.139 --> 00:50:37.639
think that your social media would reflect that

00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.340
but like you said you guys were not really Up

00:50:40.340 --> 00:50:43.019
on it and then it kind of blew up when you guys

00:50:43.019 --> 00:50:46.519
were on your little hiatus there So it wasn't

00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:48.820
you know being handled the way it should have

00:50:48.820 --> 00:50:51.159
Yeah, cuz that should be you guys should have

00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:54.460
tons of fucking like like toad the wet sprocket

00:50:54.460 --> 00:50:57.559
could have more Instagram followers than live

00:50:58.250 --> 00:51:00.650
Well, then also throw in the confusion of the

00:51:00.650 --> 00:51:03.010
name live as well. So that fucking doesn't help

00:51:03.010 --> 00:51:06.650
us. I was just gonna say that. Yeah, that that's

00:51:06.650 --> 00:51:08.449
always been a problem, right? It's searching.

00:51:09.309 --> 00:51:11.369
If you're trying to like that guy, that guy's

00:51:11.369 --> 00:51:15.610
who the million shows channel, I went to go through

00:51:15.610 --> 00:51:17.789
his channel to see if there are any other live

00:51:17.789 --> 00:51:19.909
concerts in there. And I know there's one the

00:51:19.909 --> 00:51:22.889
Allentown 95 show but trying to find it with

00:51:22.889 --> 00:51:25.550
the word live, or you got to do the band live.

00:51:25.989 --> 00:51:28.829
Your best bet is to say the band live in a search.

00:51:29.130 --> 00:51:31.409
You'll get something, but more than just the

00:51:31.409 --> 00:51:36.489
word live. So it's always been interesting. As

00:51:36.489 --> 00:51:39.010
I say, we named ourselves. I would never changed

00:51:39.010 --> 00:51:42.449
it. It works, man. It works on the artwork, the

00:51:42.449 --> 00:51:45.670
album covers. It works. So, you know, don't change

00:51:45.670 --> 00:51:48.610
it. Even though there's that drawback. The first

00:51:48.610 --> 00:51:50.820
time Uncle George was on the chart. on the Billboard

00:51:50.820 --> 00:51:53.780
charts, it got listed reverse. So it was like

00:51:53.780 --> 00:51:56.119
Mental Jewelry was the band name and the record.

00:51:56.380 --> 00:51:59.460
Oh, really? Yeah. How funny. Billboard messed

00:51:59.460 --> 00:52:02.920
it up. Yes. You know, we were first charted because

00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:04.420
we remember looking at it going, what the fuck?

00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.239
They fucked up. It says our name is Mental Jewelry.

00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:11.739
Well, it's such a cool name for a band. But then

00:52:11.739 --> 00:52:13.599
when you when you, you know, the Internet comes

00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:15.519
into play and you're searching for something,

00:52:15.579 --> 00:52:18.460
you know, it'll pull up. You type in live, whatever

00:52:18.460 --> 00:52:22.840
live, I alone. It might pull up like, you know,

00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:26.500
Aro Smith, Steven Tyler alone singing a live

00:52:26.500 --> 00:52:27.900
version of a song, you know what I'm saying?

00:52:27.940 --> 00:52:31.139
Like it doesn't realize like, I mean, no, the

00:52:31.139 --> 00:52:33.320
band live. And like Bob said, if you type in

00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:37.099
the band live, then it helps. But they got to

00:52:37.099 --> 00:52:39.980
make sure that they had like their metadata done

00:52:39.980 --> 00:52:42.579
properly to where that because I kind of do that

00:52:42.579 --> 00:52:45.079
with with stuff that I tag is I put the band

00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:48.199
live, like I put that in like the. You know,

00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:52.559
uh, all that shit is, you got to do it that way.

00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:56.179
Yeah. You know, when, when you guys decide to

00:52:56.179 --> 00:52:58.420
go to therapy and get back together and announce

00:52:58.420 --> 00:53:00.500
some shows, make sure you just put them out as

00:53:00.500 --> 00:53:03.360
the body odor boys, right? Go to, go to, go to

00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:07.099
advertise with that name and then have a play

00:53:07.099 --> 00:53:09.880
on with that and then say, Oh, by the way, this

00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:13.639
is live. Right. She just, You know what I mean?

00:53:14.099 --> 00:53:17.039
Do a wrinkle like that. If we come back together,

00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:18.460
it's definitely going to be therapy. I'm not

00:53:18.460 --> 00:53:21.460
doing it if we don't have fucking therapy. As

00:53:21.460 --> 00:53:24.079
anybody should who has a relationship for that

00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:26.420
long, right? I mean, you can't just go through

00:53:26.420 --> 00:53:28.760
life just bumbling along. I mean, that's a lot

00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:32.980
of baggage and years and stuff like anybody needs

00:53:32.980 --> 00:53:36.340
therapy for, you know, being together that long.

00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.199
Yeah. And especially all the shit that's happened

00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:42.739
with us. Right. And I said it on one other show,

00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:45.340
like, you know, not many people, you know, because

00:53:45.340 --> 00:53:47.380
I said, these guys will never break up. They've

00:53:47.380 --> 00:53:49.139
been friends since, you know, grade school, blah,

00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.280
blah, blah. But somebody said to me, like, well,

00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:52.960
who the hell are you friends with from grade

00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:55.900
school? And it like, you know, like, yeah, that's

00:53:55.900 --> 00:53:58.760
true. These guys who are, you know, who is still

00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:00.440
friends with people from grade school? Not many

00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:02.940
people. And the fact that you guys made it so

00:54:02.940 --> 00:54:06.059
long with just kind of going through life and

00:54:06.059 --> 00:54:08.119
not discussing the major things and stuff, because

00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:11.530
you were so young when, you know, fame and money

00:54:11.530 --> 00:54:13.710
were hitting you guys that it was like, you know,

00:54:14.030 --> 00:54:16.070
just kind of going through the motions and stuff

00:54:16.070 --> 00:54:18.750
that you never really got to sit down and talk

00:54:18.750 --> 00:54:20.929
about all the real stuff and blah, blah, blah,

00:54:20.929 --> 00:54:25.869
blah, blah. I feel like if there was just one

00:54:25.869 --> 00:54:27.949
smart person, especially management who said,

00:54:28.030 --> 00:54:30.530
hey, whoa, whoa, guys, let's check our egos at

00:54:30.530 --> 00:54:33.150
the door here. Let's talk. Let's get this going.

00:54:33.750 --> 00:54:36.389
We never had like a manager, a manager like that.

00:54:36.550 --> 00:54:39.710
Our manager, David Sustak and our. We had co

00:54:39.710 --> 00:54:41.429
-managers, David Sestak and Peter Freeman. Peter

00:54:41.429 --> 00:54:44.809
Freeman died in 99, 2000, somewhere around there.

00:54:44.849 --> 00:54:48.309
Rest in peace. Yeah. But they just, they weren't

00:54:48.309 --> 00:54:50.409
that, they weren't proactive managers. They were

00:54:50.409 --> 00:54:54.030
reactive managers. So it was, you know, you didn't

00:54:54.030 --> 00:54:57.030
have someone like a Paul McGinnis or, you know,

00:54:57.409 --> 00:55:00.469
who you choose forever manager. Like we didn't,

00:55:00.469 --> 00:55:02.570
we didn't have someone to guide us like that.

00:55:02.750 --> 00:55:05.929
Right. The management was spread out against

00:55:05.929 --> 00:55:08.329
other bands too, right Chad? I mean these guys

00:55:08.329 --> 00:55:10.530
were managing not just one or two bands, they

00:55:10.530 --> 00:55:12.969
had an umbrella of people that they would consider

00:55:12.969 --> 00:55:15.329
under their management umbrella and some bands

00:55:15.329 --> 00:55:18.130
got favored the more than others, right? I mean,

00:55:18.289 --> 00:55:21.230
yes, we were the biggest band they had, but it's

00:55:21.230 --> 00:55:23.650
just, it just wasn't, I mean, I'm not blaming

00:55:23.650 --> 00:55:25.610
them. I'm just saying this wasn't their style

00:55:25.610 --> 00:55:28.849
to be proactive, to go. Like for instance, I

00:55:28.849 --> 00:55:32.480
mean, you know, in fucking, what is it? 96? When

00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:35.400
did, when did Clinton get inaugurated? We got,

00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:37.239
we got, we got asked to play at the white house

00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:39.500
and like 96 and we're like, Oh, we're too tired.

00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.539
Like our fucking manager shouldn't like get on

00:55:42.539 --> 00:55:44.579
that. What the fuck are you doing? You'd be like,

00:55:44.579 --> 00:55:47.559
you're there, right? You say you show up on this

00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:49.639
date, you know, and then realize where, where

00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:52.079
it is. Right. And yeah, we came to the end of

00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:54.519
95 and we were fucking exhausted from touring

00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:58.280
for 18 or 20 months for throwing copper and.

00:55:59.289 --> 00:56:02.550
in the spring or maybe the early, like the winter,

00:56:02.730 --> 00:56:04.110
late winter, early spring, we were supposed to

00:56:04.110 --> 00:56:07.530
go out and do like a full on arena tour. And

00:56:07.530 --> 00:56:09.210
we didn't want to do it because, again, we were

00:56:09.210 --> 00:56:10.809
tired. Our manager should have been like, go

00:56:10.809 --> 00:56:12.929
to a fucking island, take a private jet, like

00:56:12.929 --> 00:56:15.570
you have the fucking money. And then instead

00:56:15.570 --> 00:56:18.650
it was just like, OK, they're tired. It's like,

00:56:18.650 --> 00:56:22.030
I think it was like a 15 million dollar or 20

00:56:22.030 --> 00:56:23.969
million dollar tour or something like that. Yeah.

00:56:24.110 --> 00:56:31.039
Nah, we're tired. We were 24 years, 25 years

00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:33.340
old. It's like you wish you had someone going,

00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:36.920
hey idiots, do this, shut the fuck up. Right.

00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:39.159
Go to the islands, take your girls, whatever

00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:40.800
the fuck you want to do, hire women, whatever

00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:43.260
the fuck it is. Right. Go down there and relax

00:56:43.260 --> 00:56:45.599
and then go do this fucking tour. Like you'll

00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:47.980
be fine. Well, that's my question. Like, was

00:56:47.980 --> 00:56:51.219
it the fact that you guys just became, again,

00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.000
not overnight, you were putting in your hours,

00:56:53.059 --> 00:56:56.280
but you guys went from relatively obscure band

00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:59.260
to like fucking all over the place rolling stones

00:56:59.260 --> 00:57:03.900
95 artists of the year, maybe management Felt

00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:06.260
like beneath you guys and like they couldn't

00:57:06.260 --> 00:57:08.320
tell you what to do. Even if that wasn't your

00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:10.760
sentiment at all Maybe that's the way they felt

00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:13.480
like dude. These guys are fucking over here You

00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:16.460
know doing all this shit playing the video music

00:57:16.460 --> 00:57:18.000
awards and all stuff like they're big. Maybe

00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:20.840
I can't tell them. Hey By the way, you should

00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:23.000
do this. It could have been some of that. I don't

00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:25.159
think they were strong enough personalities to

00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:27.300
override our... because it was four against one,

00:57:27.420 --> 00:57:29.659
four against two, you know? Right. Because when

00:57:29.659 --> 00:57:31.739
the four of us were like, now we're not fucking

00:57:31.739 --> 00:57:33.880
doing it, like there was not much changing our

00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:35.760
mind, but we need someone stronger to fucking

00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:38.159
go, no, dumb asses, like you should really do

00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:43.019
that. Whatever. Can you play that, Bob? Because

00:57:43.019 --> 00:57:47.829
every time I go to play a clip, it... It doesn't

00:57:47.829 --> 00:57:50.750
allow me to do it. I mean, I'll try it. But every

00:57:50.750 --> 00:57:54.650
time I go to do it, it doesn't allow me to. Let

00:57:54.650 --> 00:57:59.750
me see if I can. Oh, let me see. He just sent

00:57:59.750 --> 00:58:04.030
me a link, but I can't. Let's see. He sent it

00:58:04.030 --> 00:58:06.349
to my phone, but I'm on I'm on a laptop here.

00:58:06.630 --> 00:58:10.730
I'm not. I don't have to try to do it just every

00:58:10.730 --> 00:58:14.909
time I go to do this. Bad things happen. Is it

00:58:14.909 --> 00:58:17.320
in the Facebook? Is it in the Facebook stream

00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:21.579
chat? No, but here, you know what? I'm going

00:58:21.579 --> 00:58:23.579
to copy it. I'm going to try and play it. And

00:58:23.579 --> 00:58:25.380
if not, I'll put it in the chat and then you

00:58:25.380 --> 00:58:27.780
could play it. But I'll try to do it first because

00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:32.420
I do have it up. Bum bum bum bum. Sorry, audience.

00:58:32.780 --> 00:58:35.059
We fly by the seat of our pants here. That's

00:58:35.059 --> 00:58:38.900
the beauty of a live show. It's a cool video,

00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:43.559
apparently. So it's a it's a gracious few thing.

00:58:45.210 --> 00:58:50.489
So sure. All right. Oh, Bobby here. Bobby's here.

00:58:50.630 --> 00:58:53.389
Bobby's been here. Yeah. He came in quietly.

00:58:54.989 --> 00:58:59.289
Uh, let's see if we get audio. Yeah. Is it, is

00:58:59.289 --> 00:59:04.210
it plenty? Yeah. Okay. Here we go. Oh, there

00:59:04.210 --> 00:59:12.150
you go. Audio. Yeah, we got audio. Yeah. Oh,

00:59:12.150 --> 00:59:16.650
that's wonderful. Yeah. Did you ever want out

00:59:16.650 --> 00:59:23.510
of this Out of this life Did you ever think about

00:59:23.510 --> 00:59:29.230
it Love from time to time Did you believe in

00:59:29.230 --> 00:59:33.730
everything they said They're saying things I

00:59:33.730 --> 01:04:04.590
don't know How did you get so far I'd never seen

01:04:04.590 --> 01:04:07.030
that. That was cool. Me either. I never saw it

01:04:07.030 --> 01:04:11.530
either. Excellent song. It's just, ugh. And John,

01:04:12.230 --> 01:04:17.489
in concert, man, just light socket. It's the,

01:04:17.489 --> 01:04:20.110
it's the, it's the, like I said earlier, it's

01:04:20.110 --> 01:04:22.590
like, you feel, you get pins and needles on your

01:04:22.590 --> 01:04:26.329
arms and your back. Yeah. That, that, that when

01:04:26.329 --> 01:04:28.650
you get, when he gets into the solo and Tennessee

01:04:28.650 --> 01:04:33.510
solo, it's just, man, it's like pure. Well, that's

01:04:33.510 --> 01:04:36.269
pure rock and roll. Now that I know what that

01:04:36.269 --> 01:04:38.329
song is about, I mean, it almost brings a tear

01:04:38.329 --> 01:04:41.010
to my eye watching that. I mean, it's, you know,

01:04:41.050 --> 01:04:43.610
I didn't know what it was about. I knew it was

01:04:43.610 --> 01:04:47.130
a touching song, a sad song. But, you know, to

01:04:47.130 --> 01:04:51.710
watch that young man's life and, you know, he's

01:04:51.710 --> 01:04:54.030
not here anymore. It's it's very fitting that

01:04:54.030 --> 01:04:56.329
you guys put that in a song and paid such a good

01:04:56.329 --> 01:05:00.530
tribute to because it did it did justice. This

01:05:00.530 --> 01:05:06.360
is a great, great, great. Great tribute. So thank

01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:08.420
you, Chad, for ripping up those drums there.

01:05:09.179 --> 01:05:11.780
Yeah, I could imagine when Sean comes in during

01:05:11.780 --> 01:05:18.340
the concert with that solo. But wow, at least

01:05:18.340 --> 01:05:21.800
the guy looked like he lived a happy life, a

01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:24.860
full life for such a young, you know, for taking

01:05:24.860 --> 01:05:26.940
so young. It looked like he at least enjoyed

01:05:26.940 --> 01:05:31.139
himself while he was here, which is key. I saw

01:05:31.139 --> 01:05:33.019
that picture with him in Slash. They kind of

01:05:33.019 --> 01:05:34.599
looked like they could have been brothers at

01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:37.639
that point with the hair and that stuff, right?

01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:40.519
That was Slash, Bob, in that one. Yeah, he's

01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:43.619
in there, yeah. Yeah, it looked like Slash, yeah.

01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:48.760
Yeah. Wow. What a beautiful tribute that was.

01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:50.719
And I'm glad I got to learn what that song was

01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:52.739
about, because I knew it meant something to me

01:05:52.739 --> 01:05:55.460
the first time I heard it, but never knew. So

01:05:55.460 --> 01:05:58.800
now I know. And Wendell... you know, thank you

01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:02.400
for being human. And then I just want to repeat

01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:05.059
what that said at the end there for people who

01:06:05.059 --> 01:06:11.159
want to go to that foundation and whatever. Oh,

01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:14.900
yes, like he's like, I mean, Bill, Bill Hines

01:06:14.900 --> 01:06:18.079
is texting me. He says he made that video. Oh,

01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:22.139
yeah. Bill made the video. He told me I never,

01:06:22.139 --> 01:06:26.409
I never saw it before. I don't know. Well, thank

01:06:26.409 --> 01:06:32.289
you, Bill. And that website is wendellgreen .ning

01:06:32.289 --> 01:06:37.989
.com. So Wendell, W -E -N -D -E -L -L, green,

01:06:38.070 --> 01:06:43.710
G -R -E -E -N dot N -I -N -G dot com. And that's

01:06:43.710 --> 01:06:46.550
the join in the life celebration of our dude,

01:06:46.570 --> 01:06:48.809
Wendell Green. So yeah, go check that out, ladies

01:06:48.809 --> 01:06:52.219
and gentlemen. Yeah, it's I'm texting doing like

01:06:52.219 --> 01:06:54.179
how the fuck did you never show me this like

01:06:54.179 --> 01:06:57.619
I never see this like I can't believe you made

01:06:57.619 --> 01:07:00.260
it. It's fucking great I mean, I guess he knew

01:07:00.260 --> 01:07:02.900
this guy Howie who played baseball with who was

01:07:02.900 --> 01:07:05.980
friends of Wendell for all those bill hind? I

01:07:05.980 --> 01:07:08.559
never know the story a second weird but this

01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:12.079
is that's that's that is that is a Part and parcel

01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:14.440
bill like he will do shit and not try to take

01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.059
credit for it and not tell fucking people about

01:07:16.059 --> 01:07:18.519
it He donates to all these charities and shit

01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:20.739
you know he's made out to be this fucking horrible

01:07:20.739 --> 01:07:24.980
fucking person and he does all these things that

01:07:24.980 --> 01:07:27.699
are great that he doesn't he doesn't and he doesn't

01:07:27.699 --> 01:07:29.639
he's not doing it for like accolades and fucking

01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:33.800
attention right because he's a great guy so anyway

01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:37.199
he's our he's our ralph sorella for anybody who

01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:40.139
listens to the howard stern show so ralph was

01:07:40.139 --> 01:07:42.320
always known as like you know a douchebag people

01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:44.360
didn't like him whatever but you know you're

01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:46.019
starting to find out things in his death like

01:07:46.019 --> 01:07:50.000
he was at 9 11 the day after helping clean up,

01:07:50.019 --> 01:07:51.460
and he was there for weeks and stuff like that.

01:07:52.099 --> 01:07:54.920
So for all the negative stuff said about Bill

01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:57.340
out there that's made public, there's a bunch

01:07:57.340 --> 01:07:59.719
of shit like this that nobody sees behind the

01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:04.219
scenes that really shows Bill's character. So,

01:08:04.219 --> 01:08:07.079
you know, check out both sides of the coin before

01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:10.880
you make your opinion. Don't just read the newspaper

01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:14.739
clippings because the newspaper, God forbid,

01:08:14.980 --> 01:08:17.470
we take that as the truth. They have a cottage

01:08:17.470 --> 01:08:19.529
industry out of Bill Hines at this point in fucking

01:08:19.529 --> 01:08:23.109
York on their fucking stupid paper. Right. I

01:08:23.109 --> 01:08:25.569
think without Bill Hines that York dispatcher,

01:08:25.609 --> 01:08:26.750
whatever the fuck it's called, wouldn't have

01:08:26.750 --> 01:08:29.369
anything to write about. The Gannett group would

01:08:29.369 --> 01:08:31.970
probably close up shop on those two papers, honestly.

01:08:32.270 --> 01:08:35.229
I think so. Yeah. I think so. But that's all

01:08:35.229 --> 01:08:37.409
right. He's going to have his day in court. He'll

01:08:37.409 --> 01:08:40.520
show them all. So Bob, do you have anything you

01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:42.119
want the audience to know? Because we usually

01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:44.500
keep the show around this time. Anything you

01:08:44.500 --> 01:08:46.140
want the audience to know? Anything you want

01:08:46.140 --> 01:08:49.340
to ask Chad personally? Anything before we start

01:08:49.340 --> 01:08:52.520
to wrap it up? Bob has my number. He can ask

01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:54.399
me anything he ever wants. Well, I mean, if he

01:08:54.399 --> 01:09:00.359
wants to ask. Go ahead. I think maybe the only

01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:06.899
thing that I have pressing would be is when we'll

01:09:06.899 --> 01:09:10.439
see what happens with the going forward with

01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:13.699
the band, right? And just, you know, digest what

01:09:13.699 --> 01:09:17.279
happens and let it be real, right? You know,

01:09:17.420 --> 01:09:20.539
understand that it's very complicated. What's

01:09:20.539 --> 01:09:22.439
going on and it's not, you're running the mill.

01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:25.020
Honestly, if you equate it to some of the other

01:09:25.020 --> 01:09:27.000
big bands that have their issues and you don't

01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:29.380
really hear about it, it goes in the press and

01:09:29.380 --> 01:09:31.920
you hear one side, the other side, you know,

01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:34.680
at the end of the day, you know, just these people

01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:36.859
are real. They have families there, you know,

01:09:36.939 --> 01:09:38.960
they're real people. They're not just your idols

01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:42.439
out there. And just let it let things happen

01:09:42.439 --> 01:09:47.180
naturally. And then see what happens in the future

01:09:47.180 --> 01:09:50.699
and just let it be. Let it just happen. Well,

01:09:51.500 --> 01:09:54.210
so, yeah. Because like you said the fans start

01:09:54.210 --> 01:09:57.010
riling each other up taking sides and stuff This

01:09:57.010 --> 01:09:59.210
is not something where anybody needs to take

01:09:59.210 --> 01:10:01.970
sides like you said This is something where you

01:10:01.970 --> 01:10:04.869
need to let stuff lie and time will tell where

01:10:04.869 --> 01:10:07.250
you know where this goes from here But I was

01:10:07.250 --> 01:10:09.869
guilty of taking sides a long time ago, too So

01:10:09.869 --> 01:10:13.069
I mean I got I got rolled into that and saw one

01:10:13.069 --> 01:10:16.569
side and the other side was not Did not speak

01:10:16.569 --> 01:10:19.310
out and really tell the truth, but it was just

01:10:19.579 --> 01:10:22.140
put forth as, oh, it's this and this is the truth,

01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:25.060
right? Well, we know how that is, right? So when

01:10:25.060 --> 01:10:28.859
you come to learn what's really happened and

01:10:28.859 --> 01:10:33.640
who's responsible or who's had more of a say

01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:37.020
in putting that message out versus what should

01:10:37.020 --> 01:10:40.920
have been either cleared up earlier or it's just

01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:44.699
as you get older and more wiser, you learn where

01:10:44.699 --> 01:10:48.079
to make your bet, I guess, or learn how to be

01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:51.939
above the fray. So, you know, and I, you know,

01:10:51.979 --> 01:10:54.279
I apologize to Ed too. I'll take a little responsibility

01:10:54.279 --> 01:10:56.340
for that too. I'll take a little responsibility

01:10:56.340 --> 01:10:58.880
for that too. I was, you know, I was being manipulated

01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:01.319
in ways I didn't understand and that's not going

01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:05.239
to happen to me anymore. So, and I'll tell you

01:11:05.239 --> 01:11:08.060
the objective truth as far as I know it when

01:11:08.060 --> 01:11:12.319
I see it, but, you know, I'll just say that.

01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:14.739
I was being manipulated in ways I didn't understand

01:11:14.739 --> 01:11:16.779
and I totally understand now and I won't fucking

01:11:16.779 --> 01:11:20.189
let it happen to me again. And life is too short,

01:11:20.369 --> 01:11:23.250
right? I mean, you say this all the time, but

01:11:23.250 --> 01:11:26.329
people end up living with regret. Like, oh, I

01:11:26.329 --> 01:11:28.649
should have done this before that happened. Just

01:11:28.649 --> 01:11:31.210
Wendell's a perfect excuse, man. I'm sure nobody,

01:11:31.210 --> 01:11:34.489
you know, saw that coming. And then, you know,

01:11:34.510 --> 01:11:37.949
by sure it did. So, I mean, just God forbid something

01:11:37.949 --> 01:11:40.409
were to happen to, you know, one of you four

01:11:40.409 --> 01:11:43.409
from growing up. Like, is the stuff that, you

01:11:43.409 --> 01:11:45.130
know, brought you guys to where you're at today,

01:11:45.189 --> 01:11:48.569
is it that important? Is it, you know, to where,

01:11:48.569 --> 01:11:51.670
you know, those friendships are no longer what

01:11:51.670 --> 01:11:54.649
they once were. So, you know, again, it's none

01:11:54.649 --> 01:11:57.609
of our business. It's all on your time. But just

01:11:57.609 --> 01:12:00.229
to put that out there is like life is short and

01:12:00.229 --> 01:12:03.810
to live with animosity and regret is not the

01:12:03.810 --> 01:12:06.649
way to do it, because at some point it'll catch

01:12:06.649 --> 01:12:09.050
up to you and you'll be like, shit, I really

01:12:09.050 --> 01:12:11.729
should have reached out and told this person

01:12:11.729 --> 01:12:13.909
I love them or I should have said I was sorry

01:12:13.909 --> 01:12:17.350
for this and that. So that's just my little PSA

01:12:17.350 --> 01:12:20.449
for the day. I don't live that way either. It's

01:12:20.449 --> 01:12:23.390
easier to say than to do, but it really is true.

01:12:23.489 --> 01:12:27.489
You know, you never know, uh, when, when things

01:12:27.489 --> 01:12:29.869
are going to end or when you won't have a chance

01:12:29.869 --> 01:12:32.550
to say what you really wanted to say. And then

01:12:32.550 --> 01:12:34.409
you have to hold it in for the rest of your life.

01:12:34.550 --> 01:12:39.810
So just keep that in mind peeps. Yeah. Life's

01:12:39.810 --> 01:12:41.890
short. And with that, happy new year guys. I

01:12:41.890 --> 01:12:44.449
appreciate the time. Thank you, Bob. It's great.

01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:47.359
All right. Do it again. Keep it real. We'll have

01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:49.399
you again for sure. We know you got a lot more

01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:52.619
to talk about. I do end up monopolizing some

01:12:52.619 --> 01:12:56.020
of the guests' time. I apologize. No, it's quite

01:12:56.020 --> 01:13:00.520
fine. I prefer to be quiet. I think Bill's here

01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:05.020
with my cocktail sauce. Next week, Chad, bring

01:13:05.020 --> 01:13:06.939
on the bottle so we could show people what they're

01:13:06.939 --> 01:13:09.199
missing for when Bob releases it to the masses.

01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:11.399
They could say, there, I saw it on the gracious

01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:15.069
too. I got to go get some shrimp. Bobby, Bobby

01:13:15.069 --> 01:13:17.550
Hayes, why don't you come off and say goodbye

01:13:17.550 --> 01:13:19.289
and happy holidays, everybody, rather than through

01:13:19.289 --> 01:13:21.970
the chat. And from myself, I want to say happy

01:13:21.970 --> 01:13:26.069
holidays. I hope 2023 treated everybody well.

01:13:26.510 --> 01:13:30.310
2024 will be even better for the gracious two

01:13:30.310 --> 01:13:33.560
fans out there. We got a lot of stuff planned,

01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:36.199
a lot of cool, fun stuff that we're keeping close

01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:38.939
to the chest right now, but we'll be going full

01:13:38.939 --> 01:13:41.760
steam ahead once we got everything laid out there.

01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:44.140
But thank you guys for coming on this ride with

01:13:44.140 --> 01:13:46.979
us. And it's only going to get faster and bumpier,

01:13:47.020 --> 01:13:53.359
so be prepared. Thank you, everybody. Thanks.

01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:56.680
Thank you, everybody. Happy holidays, everybody.

01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:59.850
Hope everybody has a great time. I hope everybody

01:13:59.850 --> 01:14:03.810
enjoys your two thousand four twenty four. Yes.

01:14:04.210 --> 01:14:06.229
Thanks, sir. Happy New Year, everyone. Thank

01:14:06.229 --> 01:14:08.470
you. Happy New Year. Bob, real quick. Bob's is

01:14:08.470 --> 01:14:11.350
there. Yes. Do you want anybody to find you on

01:14:11.350 --> 01:14:16.189
social media or? No. OK, cool. No. No, I'm I'm

01:14:16.189 --> 01:14:20.590
I'm only there for those fan pages only. I'm

01:14:20.590 --> 01:14:23.710
pretty devoid of anything personal on there.

01:14:24.010 --> 01:14:27.439
Right. I'm out. It makes sense. Good for you.

01:14:27.979 --> 01:14:32.880
I have nothing to offer. Oh, stop it. Ladies

01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:34.920
and gentlemen, thank you. Bye. We'll see you

01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:38.939
next week. Hasta la vista. Let me go and stop

01:14:38.939 --> 01:14:43.880
this live there and then got to stop it here.

01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:48.420
This is always so difficult. All righty, then

01:14:48.420 --> 01:14:50.300
we should be done live everywhere.