The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 018 - Kevin Savo

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Preparing. Got it. Got it. I don't know why,

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but every time it says setting up, meeting, blah,

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blah, blah, and then it says, like, failed, but

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it seems to work. So I'm going to, yeah, just

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did it again. But I'm pretty sure we are live,

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ladies and gentlemen. Yes, it says so. So you're

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alive. It says so like the band live. We are.

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Hey, those guys. Yeah. You know them, Chad, very

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well founding. Yes, I do. Founding member. It's

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a shambles right now, but that's OK. The heartbeat

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of the band is fucking dislocated from it needs

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a needs a transplant back in. Yeah, we'll see.

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So what's up, man? Fucking a lot of craziness

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going on, dude. A lot of craziness. Always. There's

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always a lot of craziness. But, you know, it's

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2024. It's an election year. The Dems are getting

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more and more fucking crazy with their rhetoric.

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Biden's out there telling you MAGA is going to

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destroy democracy and all the MAGA supporters

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are going to destroy democracy. And it's like,

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they're the most patriotic people that you fucking

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know of. But they're the Nazis. I mean, I love

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how they turn around the fucking rhetoric and

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make it about Like they basically broadcast what

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they are and what they're doing. It's just hilarious

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to me It's I mean who like which party is is

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trying to suppress? Like the the candidate is

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gonna run against them and get him fucking arrested

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and get him taken off ballots Like which party's

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doing that right fascist Nazi? Bullshit right

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a hug maggot of the Nazis. Okay. Yeah, and then

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telling you they're not doing it like you're

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trying to remake a fucking presidential nominee

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and an ex president from ballots because you're

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scared of him. Not because you're fucking, you

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know, you're he's done all this. He's done all

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that. Like they're trying to go after him for

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stuff he hasn't been convicted of. If that's

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not fucking Nazis, I don't know what the fuck

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is, dude. It's insane. You're trying to take

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a dude's name off the ballot that hasn't been

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convicted of anything. You should fucking go

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rot in hell. I'm sorry. Absolutely. a hundred

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percent, but they've, they've, they've dehumanized

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them and made them into this, you know, this

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figure that people hate are scared of. And that's,

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that's what you do. And with fascism, you make

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a group of people or a person into this dehumanized

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thing that you can go, well, whatever you do

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to him is fine. Whatever you do to those people

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is fine. And that's what's crazy about it. But

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I look at it like if the shoe was on the other

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foot and this was happening, To Biden and I'm

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a Trump supporter. I'm still not happy with that,

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dude. This is against our democracy. I'm sorry.

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And absolutely not. Right. But why are, why are

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they so complicit and just able to go along with

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this? They don't realize that. Listen, not for

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nothing. Trump was tried to impeach. He beat

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it. Biden is going to be impeached and he will

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be convicted of the fucking crimes him and his

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son did. So they're just opening up a flood gate

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for when that happens. I mean, you're trying

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to convict the former president for crimes he

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wasn't convicted of. Yeah, that's insane. Um,

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what I was going to say was that it's, you know,

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they get away with it because they've conditioned

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a whole population, half the country with the

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media that they fucking basically control. Yeah.

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And the DOJ that they control and the FBI that

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they control that Trump is the best, the worst

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man in the world. He's going to destroy our fucking

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country. He's going to destroy democracy. which

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they are effectively doing every fucking day,

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the Democrats. The FBI, which is basically the

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Gestapo for the fucking den at this point, just

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goes out and raids fucking people's houses. They

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got the DOJ prosecuting the president, prosecuting

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these January 6 people for walking into the fucking

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building. A mom and I just saw a story of mom

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and a son were put in fucking jail for five years

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for walking into the building. In public areas

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that they were allowed to. Granted, other people

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were in different areas that they shouldn't have

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been, but not them from what I hear. Yeah. And

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meanwhile, 2020 fucking BLM and Antifa burnt

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down all these fucking cities. Nothing has happened

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to them. Nothing has happened to them. That's

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cool. That's allowed. Come on, Chad. You're off

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base there. I mean. I know it's an, and breaking

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into stores, looting and setting shit on fire.

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That's okay. I still, so I still see like on

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like the apps, the dating apps and stuff, like

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girls who support BLM. I'm like, are you. Did

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you see they're fucking fake? They are not a

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real organization. They fucking have not helped

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any black people. Right. They took money, bought

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fucking mansions. Yeah. And they've given no

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money to the inner cities. They don't give a

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fuck about inner city black violence, black on

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black violence. They don't care. They don't talk

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about it. They don't say anything about it. The

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only time they fucking rear their ugly head is

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when a white cop accident, you know, shoots a

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black person or wherever the fuck it is. Right.

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Where the fits their narrative. But they don't

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have they don't tell you anything about inner

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city black on black violence. Nothing. Right.

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Not a damn thing. They haven't donated a fucking

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dime to any like real, real things that could

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actually help black people. Right. They donated

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all their fucking money to act blue, which is

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a Democrat fucking fundraising organization.

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Great. Yeah. Hey, but they could have taken those

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mansion money and spent it on some inner cities

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and tried to help out the communities. Absolutely.

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Yeah. They did none of that. Well, people still

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support them. It's like, Oh, BLM is great. I've

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always said, as soon as I heard BLM Black Lives

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Matter, I was like, that's a great fucking name.

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Like, how can you like be against that? Right,

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then when they started going well all lives matter

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and they're like that's racism. Like wait, what

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the fuck isn't that crazy? That's like the upside

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down world They create it's like yes, the good

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is bad and bad is good fucking this is what because

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all lives matter That's racist for black lives

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matter isn't that's not race. Oh, okay. Sure.

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Yes got it You're not belittling the black lives

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that matter. You're just saying that all lives

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matter exactly. Yeah, you got any logic The fact

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that you know, they're creating a division between

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black lives white lives Asian lives. That's stupid,

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dude That's what has got us here is that that's

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what they want to do. They want to create a division

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It's a distraction from what they're fucking

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doing at the top of the elites trying to like

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stay in power and Destroy the fucking country

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basically But how can I speak to you and this

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is like, you know It all makes sense and then

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all of a sudden I speak to other friends that

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I find intelligent and they're just completely

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warped and don't see this point of view. Like

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it to me, it doesn't even seem like a point of

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view. It just seems like it's the view. And if

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you don't like, if you don't, if you're not on

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board, you're just living in a fantasy world.

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It's scary. I don't know. I have friends like

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that too. I have friends that I respect that

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are smart, way smarter than me that went to Ivy

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league schools and graduated top of their classes

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and they don't, they, they're liberal. And I'm

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just like, I mean, it's okay to be liberal, but

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They're like they support some of the far left

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bullshit. It was OK to be fucking liberal, but

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now it's like been taken over by this far left

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ideology. This is like ridiculous. They made

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the far line virus, as Joe Rogan and Elon Musk

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called it. It is a literal, literal, liberal

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mind, like lefty fucking mind virus that is taking

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over people's fucking minds. It's nasty. Whereas

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I feel like most people kind of lie in the middle,

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maybe lean a little left, maybe lean a little

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right. They have divided the party so much with

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the far right and far left. It's like you're

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fucking up Schitt's Creek without a paddle, man.

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Mm hmm. I don't see how this ends like. Like,

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cool, I really don't, which is creepy. Yeah.

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Well, then you got the fucking border wide open

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to eight. What is eight million now? That's what's

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come in so far. No, according to my very liberal

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friend, like maybe one hundred thousand since

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Biden's. From the beginning of the year till

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now It's crazy But yeah, dude, so we were talking

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briefly I wanted to bring this up about just

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how fucking Just how fucking backwards everything

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is man And I want to talk a couple things one

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Like Joe Rogan's way bigger than CNN, right?

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Like their best show gets like 50 ,000. Right.

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He gets like 20 million per episode. But the

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difference is, is that even online, like they

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run CNN articles, they run fucking NBC articles.

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So even though the shows aren't being seen as

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much, the headline and what they're trying and

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their narrative is seen that much. It's out.

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Yes. Big tech is wrecking like wrapped in with

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them. So right. And, and that's what people need

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to understand while, you know, when you're just

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reading headlines, that's all you're getting.

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You're not getting the full story. You need to

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dig deeper and, and, and that's it. You know

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what I'm saying? 100%. Um, but you're not supposed

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to do your own research though, cause that's

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conspiracy theory land. Don't do your own research.

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Don't talk about, don't read anything. Just listen

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to what they put into your mind. And that's all

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there is. And don't even talk about what could

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be the other side. You know, that's, that's wrong

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too. Like a creepy there during fucking COVID

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man. You couldn't even talk about like, are masks

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working? Like, is the Vax okay? Like you couldn't

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talk about that shit dude, without people being

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like, you're not a Patriot. You're going to kill

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everybody. Oh yeah. You're going to kill grandma.

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Like. Meanwhile, meanwhile, Chad, the two heads

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of FDA. that approved the jab or the Vax or the

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fuck you want to call it. Now no longer work

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for the FDA and they work for Moderna. Isn't

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that fucking real figure? Yeah. Doesn't that

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bring you back to like the Sackler family and

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whoever Purdue, whoever, uh, okayed, uh, their,

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uh, Oxycontin and put it on the FDA label, then

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went and worked for fucking, uh, Purdue. Come

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on. Oh, this shit is happening in a cycle and

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a cycle. The FDA is paid off by the big farmer.

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They have been for years. FDA and yeah, it's

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it's friggin nuts. All of them. And then they

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all and then and then they use the DOJ as their

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fucking. Yeah. Bulldog too. I was just we are

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just telling you about this guy I just saw on

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Rogan Brigham. Look him up here. Brigham something

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on Rogan. Just watch this whole episode. And

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he was talking about all this shit. Yeah. Brigham.

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Brigham Bueller. Yes. Bueller. Bueller. But anyway,

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so he's he was talking about all the incest,

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the incestual fucking relationship between big

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pharma, FDA, the media, big tech. Right. Because

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they're the as we said earlier, Big Pharma is

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they're only allowed to advertise in two countries

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in the whole fucking world. The United States

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and New Zealand. We only need to talk about New

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Zealand. They only factor into the conversation.

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Right. The fact that Big Pharma is the largest

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advertiser on all the fucking media. Oh, yeah.

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Most of fucking social media. Exactly. So who's,

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who's controlling what? And then at the top of

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those companies, those big pharma companies,

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you have Vanguard and what is it? Bankstreet

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and Vanguard and Blackrock owned all the fucking

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stock for all those companies. Yeah. It's crazy.

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Like that. This is the best system that the world

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has to offer. And it's completely fucked. I mean,

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completely. Well, I'm not, I wouldn't say that

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I'm anti -capitalist, but It's being fucking

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Co -opted into right evil, right? I'm all for

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capitalism and all that there's got to be to

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what extent like you can't just be Bending laws

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and rules to venture to further your capital.

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That's fucked up. That's not capitalism in my

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eyes Don't gotta be more separation. Yeah over

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politicians in like the fucking lobbying I mean,

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and I always say this, it comes down to term

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limits too. If you only have these people in

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fucking office for eight years, it's gonna, I

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mean, you're gonna, I hope, erase some of this

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shit going on. I mean, they do have eight years

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so you can get some of it going on, but you got

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to be like campaign contributions, fucking these

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super PACs that are bullshit. Cause what, as

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an individual, you're only allowed to give what,

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$2 ,500 to a politician, somebody's campaign.

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But as a super PAC, you can give unlimited money

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to that fucking. Right, and then you and it's

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full of crazy Yeah, you have that candidate under

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there under your belt at that lobbying needs

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to fucking be done like get rid of that bullshit

00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:42.200
like Well, so nuts before I let in our next guest,

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which is a cool dude Kevin Savo He was on briefly

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with his father, but I just wanted to bring this

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up for everybody out there who's thinks were

00:13:50.179 --> 00:13:54.179
conspiracy there's in the lab in the last 40

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years only two heads of the FDA have not gone

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on to work in industry, whether it's big pharma,

00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:05.379
big tech, whatever. So at a 40 years only two

00:14:05.379 --> 00:14:08.100
have not. So that right there should tell you,

00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:10.940
you should not be able to work in, you know,

00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:13.539
a public position like that and then go into

00:14:13.539 --> 00:14:16.159
the private sector or, or, you know, like if

00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:19.450
you're going to be, um, Give your life as a public

00:14:19.450 --> 00:14:21.269
servant, then that's where you remain. That's

00:14:21.269 --> 00:14:23.690
what you chose. No, not go private after you

00:14:23.690 --> 00:14:25.950
make this shady fucking under the table deal

00:14:25.950 --> 00:14:28.090
and then go to the private sector and make a

00:14:28.090 --> 00:14:30.429
shit ton of money for that company that prove

00:14:30.429 --> 00:14:32.330
their fucking drug or whatever the fuck it is.

00:14:32.350 --> 00:14:35.950
Yeah, exactly. Right, right. But on to cool things,

00:14:35.990 --> 00:14:38.049
we're going to welcome our next guest. You ready,

00:14:38.110 --> 00:14:42.929
Mr. Chad Gracie? I'm ready. Yes. All bloom can

00:14:42.929 --> 00:14:47.360
stop. It's sad, but you know we're talking about

00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:51.580
true shit, but Jesus hey now Kevin if you are

00:14:51.580 --> 00:14:55.980
there say hello. I don't know if you are But

00:14:55.980 --> 00:14:57.580
anyway, we'll just keep it moving till Kevin

00:14:57.580 --> 00:15:04.179
pops on I Just got to text that real quick Already

00:15:04.179 --> 00:15:07.940
then but yeah, man. Have you been watching anything

00:15:07.940 --> 00:15:11.460
fun lately rather than? News cycles and shit

00:15:11.460 --> 00:15:13.720
like that. I just watched David Chappelle's latest

00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:17.580
special How was it? It's good. I don't it's not

00:15:17.580 --> 00:15:20.159
as best in my opinion, but it's good. I mean,

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I was just Dave Chappelle, so it's going to be

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good. But he starts off the fucking show with

00:15:24.019 --> 00:15:26.919
just the biggest fucking set up zinger. It's

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fucking hilarious. I love seeing it. Have you

00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:32.679
seen it? I have not yet. But but I will. I mean,

00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:35.720
I won't. Whatever. It's you'll still laugh. But

00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:37.759
he goes through this whole fucking thing about

00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:40.320
meeting Jim Carrey. He got to go meet Jim Carrey

00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:42.059
when Jim Carrey was on the set of man on the

00:15:42.059 --> 00:15:50.500
moon and Jim Carrey was full on, uh, Kevin's

00:15:50.500 --> 00:15:55.220
got the guns out. I love it. Can you guys hear

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or see us? Yeah, we got it. We got the computer.

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Yeah, we can hear it. Yeah, there they are. You

00:16:02.340 --> 00:16:03.740
can hear us coming through the mics. We got you

00:16:03.740 --> 00:16:05.700
coming through the computer. We just did the

00:16:05.700 --> 00:16:08.399
most stressful last last minute setup. Sorry.

00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:13.840
Uh, if, if you have issues with it, uh, if you

00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:16.320
go up to that mute button and click that top

00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.820
pointer, you could, should be able to pick where

00:16:18.820 --> 00:16:22.000
your sound is coming from. Uh, man, I'd love

00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:24.059
to be able to, I just tried to, this is like

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what the doctor, you know, zoom was you guys

00:16:27.500 --> 00:16:29.159
just a hard conservatives. It sounds like, you

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know, zoom was basically born out of COVID when

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people are afraid to go near each other. Oh,

00:16:33.299 --> 00:16:35.000
absolutely. That's when it blew up for sure.

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I think zoom is a product of fear mongering.

00:16:38.669 --> 00:16:41.730
COVID nuts personally, but it's okay. It has

00:16:41.730 --> 00:16:45.230
other uses. I love. Yeah, Chad. I'm sorry. Did

00:16:45.230 --> 00:16:48.389
it just happen that way or were they, uh, they

00:16:48.389 --> 00:16:51.669
complicit in it? I think the people that invented

00:16:51.669 --> 00:16:55.370
COVID might've invented zoom. See, that's what

00:16:55.370 --> 00:16:57.870
I'm thinking. We can get real conspiracy theory

00:16:57.870 --> 00:17:01.029
about that. Yeah. Here's the hope for humanity

00:17:01.029 --> 00:17:03.629
is that you got two young men over here that

00:17:03.629 --> 00:17:05.829
seemed to fucking have a clue of what's going

00:17:05.829 --> 00:17:08.589
on and not being just blindly led down this path

00:17:08.589 --> 00:17:11.049
we've been on, which is cool. Yeah. We were in

00:17:11.049 --> 00:17:13.450
the middle of a movie during COVID. We're in

00:17:13.450 --> 00:17:15.130
the middle of like the last leg of the first

00:17:15.130 --> 00:17:17.230
movie we did, the opener. So nobody was more

00:17:17.230 --> 00:17:18.890
pissed than I was to find out that they told

00:17:18.890 --> 00:17:20.549
us a virus was going to kill all of us and we

00:17:20.549 --> 00:17:22.269
need to stay in the house and not work on a movie.

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Then we knew a hundred people that survived it

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and we were like, obviously they lied to us.

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And then our business more than any other business,

00:17:29.630 --> 00:17:32.950
is fearful of COVID. So we finally get back on

00:17:32.950 --> 00:17:36.950
set outside. We did an outdoor scene and I was

00:17:36.950 --> 00:17:39.190
trying to hire whoever I could to come in because

00:17:39.190 --> 00:17:41.029
I think our original DP wouldn't do it because

00:17:41.029 --> 00:17:42.930
he was scared of COVID. Then we found another

00:17:42.930 --> 00:17:45.329
DP who was scared of COVID, but he showed up

00:17:45.329 --> 00:17:47.309
and then shows up and goes, why are there 15

00:17:47.309 --> 00:17:49.210
people on the set? Because that's back when you

00:17:49.210 --> 00:17:50.789
were only supposed to be around like two people

00:17:50.789 --> 00:17:53.269
at a time and keep a six foot distance. And I

00:17:53.269 --> 00:17:56.509
have a DP who's paid for the day out of my pocket

00:17:56.509 --> 00:17:58.150
talking about, well, I can't work on a set with

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15 people. I'm like, It's a set. That's what

00:18:00.269 --> 00:18:01.509
they're here to work. That's why they're here.

00:18:01.529 --> 00:18:02.869
He's like, well, there's people everywhere. I

00:18:02.869 --> 00:18:04.670
said, yeah, I know. Run the fucking camera. Matter

00:18:04.670 --> 00:18:06.710
of fact, you're the farthest distance from everybody

00:18:06.710 --> 00:18:08.529
by product of the fact that you're the camera

00:18:08.529 --> 00:18:12.809
guy. You're all the way over there. Horrible.

00:18:12.970 --> 00:18:15.230
And it's like, can you imagine if you couldn't

00:18:15.230 --> 00:18:17.750
like go and make a record in the studio because

00:18:17.750 --> 00:18:19.390
Cove is going to get you? It's like the same

00:18:19.390 --> 00:18:22.569
thing. It's when it impedes on your work. Oh,

00:18:22.589 --> 00:18:24.009
well, I mean, the whole touring industry got

00:18:24.009 --> 00:18:27.230
shut down. We had a whole fucking year of touring

00:18:27.230 --> 00:18:31.549
lined up in 2020. Yeah, you and everything. Yeah,

00:18:31.569 --> 00:18:33.990
you have supposed to go to South Africa and Australia

00:18:33.990 --> 00:18:37.670
in 2020. Yeah, I mean, that all got taken, taken

00:18:37.670 --> 00:18:41.730
away, just gone fucking nuts. And you would you

00:18:41.730 --> 00:18:44.509
guys made up for that? You guys make up for that

00:18:44.509 --> 00:18:46.710
the following year, like every band did or? Well,

00:18:46.710 --> 00:18:48.769
no, we have no, we didn't go back on tour and

00:18:48.769 --> 00:18:51.190
then, you know, it's been a little shake up.

00:18:51.789 --> 00:18:54.710
So a little shake up, I call it. But yeah, so

00:18:54.710 --> 00:18:58.539
let me live started touring again with Ed. end

00:18:58.539 --> 00:19:02.519
of 21, maybe beginning of 22, end of 22. Yeah.

00:19:02.859 --> 00:19:05.259
Well, matter of fact, we saw the last tour you

00:19:05.259 --> 00:19:07.000
guys did right before COVID because there was

00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:09.200
the 2019 tour. Jones Beach. Right with Bush.

00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:12.400
Yeah, we caught the Jones Beach State. And it

00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.420
was like right after that. Just right around

00:19:15.420 --> 00:19:17.059
that because I think that was a late summer show.

00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:18.680
Yeah, so it was a few months. Yeah, that was

00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:20.880
late summer. And then, yeah, I mean, we had three

00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:25.500
shows we did in February and March of 2020. And

00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:30.359
then that's when the world shut down. Yeah. Yo,

00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:34.299
so Chad, your Atlantic city, uh, concert, uh,

00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:37.779
for the ultimate tour with Bush, I was the most

00:19:37.779 --> 00:19:42.019
drunk I have ever been in my life. I have. Yeah.

00:19:42.019 --> 00:19:45.799
So it was at the hard rock and you know, you

00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:47.819
go and you gamble, you drink for free. So I'm

00:19:47.819 --> 00:19:50.559
drinking a couple of Jack on the rocks. Then

00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:54.680
you go into the venue and you could buy for $15.

00:19:55.210 --> 00:19:58.410
Like a pint of Jack, it was like a house. It

00:19:58.410 --> 00:20:01.430
was like a half a bottle. It was so the cups

00:20:01.430 --> 00:20:03.109
like this big, they fill it with ice and then

00:20:03.109 --> 00:20:05.609
just pour Jack into it. Then for ten dollars,

00:20:05.609 --> 00:20:11.210
you could refill it. Yeah. So refilling it by

00:20:11.210 --> 00:20:14.109
the end of the concert, I couldn't stand up straight.

00:20:14.150 --> 00:20:17.210
I was walking, leaning way back and then leaning

00:20:17.210 --> 00:20:19.769
way forward. But I couldn't actually stand up

00:20:19.769 --> 00:20:22.089
straight, dude. It was crazy. I've never been

00:20:22.089 --> 00:20:26.089
that fucking hammered in my life. I probably

00:20:26.089 --> 00:20:29.289
had alcohol poisoning, but did not get taken

00:20:29.289 --> 00:20:31.769
care of. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. But you guys

00:20:31.769 --> 00:20:35.730
put on a great show, man. You could perceive

00:20:35.730 --> 00:20:39.150
the show, believe it or not. So I blacked out

00:20:39.150 --> 00:20:41.549
like three quarters of the way through your set.

00:20:41.609 --> 00:20:43.569
So I remember three quarters of I don't remember

00:20:43.569 --> 00:20:48.430
the end. But Bush comes on and they're loud as

00:20:48.430 --> 00:20:51.549
fuck and they sounded great. They were so loud.

00:20:52.009 --> 00:20:53.910
And, and, and the crowd was into it. I'm hearing

00:20:53.910 --> 00:20:55.990
people like, Oh God, now live is going to come

00:20:55.990 --> 00:20:57.230
on. They're not going to, they're not going to

00:20:57.230 --> 00:20:59.509
be able to do this. And then you guys came and

00:20:59.509 --> 00:21:02.049
killed it and fucking the crowd was like, Oh,

00:21:02.369 --> 00:21:04.390
it was your crowd. But there was a couple of

00:21:04.390 --> 00:21:05.950
people I heard talking shit. And then when you

00:21:05.950 --> 00:21:07.450
guys came on and rocked the world, they were

00:21:07.450 --> 00:21:10.930
like, Oh, it was cool. Yeah. We were pretty good

00:21:10.930 --> 00:21:15.369
at that. We can stand toe to toe with anybody.

00:21:15.529 --> 00:21:20.680
Hell yeah. Uh, Sabo's talk to me about rerouting,

00:21:20.859 --> 00:21:22.779
right? That was, so you weren't filming that

00:21:22.779 --> 00:21:26.279
during COVID that you filmed after. No, we weren't.

00:21:26.380 --> 00:21:28.319
And everybody's in the room, by the way, dad,

00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:31.420
youngest Mark, we're just on one camera because

00:21:31.420 --> 00:21:33.700
it was the last minute zoom setup. I'm so terrible

00:21:33.700 --> 00:21:37.839
at zoom. I love it. No rerouting was shot over

00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:42.289
the summer. of 2023. So that's once we were out

00:21:42.289 --> 00:21:44.789
of far out of the weeds of COVID COVID. We were

00:21:44.789 --> 00:21:47.250
working on the opener, but that was like a three

00:21:47.250 --> 00:21:49.029
year process to make that film. So we made that

00:21:49.029 --> 00:21:51.369
with like eight grand out of my pocket, basically.

00:21:51.369 --> 00:21:53.730
Wow. And I think we got a thousand dollars in

00:21:53.730 --> 00:21:56.130
crowdfunding, but that only basically funded

00:21:56.130 --> 00:21:58.650
like two scenes. So that's why it took two, three

00:21:58.650 --> 00:22:01.990
years. And that was one of the moments I realized

00:22:01.990 --> 00:22:04.529
how much it sucks to drag out a process to three

00:22:04.529 --> 00:22:06.910
years, even if you're dedicated to it is like

00:22:06.910 --> 00:22:09.509
COVID hits. And you were thinking like, what

00:22:09.509 --> 00:22:11.369
the fuck else could go wrong? And there's like,

00:22:11.450 --> 00:22:13.450
oh, they're going to shut down the world and

00:22:13.450 --> 00:22:15.069
tell you you can't now they're telling you, you

00:22:15.069 --> 00:22:16.990
can't make a movie. Like at least I had the liberty

00:22:16.990 --> 00:22:19.470
to do it before we just had lack of funds and

00:22:19.470 --> 00:22:21.549
then COVID hit. And that was rough. But what

00:22:21.549 --> 00:22:24.619
was really cool about the opener is I finished

00:22:24.619 --> 00:22:27.480
the big concert scene, which was the last scene

00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:30.519
to go after a three year process of making the

00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:33.920
movie in the time period in 2021. If you remember,

00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:36.000
because this shit really carried on into around

00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:39.359
2022. So there was this little brief period in

00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:42.180
summer 2021 where Joe Biden comes out and is

00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:44.500
like, okay, everybody can take their masks off

00:22:44.500 --> 00:22:47.160
and go back to regular life. And it lasted for

00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.779
about three weeks. Within that three weeks, everybody

00:22:49.779 --> 00:22:51.619
was so excited to get together. We got everybody

00:22:51.619 --> 00:22:53.279
together, which I would have fucking filmed in

00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:55.920
the heat of COVID. I would have gone out and

00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:58.440
done a fucking movie week two of COVID. Cause

00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:00.279
that's how little I give a fuck about like the

00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:02.339
lies the governments try to ruin our fucking

00:23:02.339 --> 00:23:06.980
lives with. Um, but so, but in that period, but

00:23:06.980 --> 00:23:08.440
in terms of getting a bunch of extras, cause

00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:09.759
that was the biggest problem. We had to shoot

00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:12.519
a concert scene. We had to fill a venue with

00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:15.170
around at least a hundred people. Wow. It's all

00:23:15.170 --> 00:23:16.410
through COVID. I'm like, how am I going to do

00:23:16.410 --> 00:23:18.349
this? Then there was that brief, like three week

00:23:18.349 --> 00:23:21.029
period in summer of 2021 where Joe Biden's like,

00:23:21.029 --> 00:23:23.009
everybody could take the masks off. We did the

00:23:23.009 --> 00:23:25.549
scene. I think a couple of us got COVID, but

00:23:25.549 --> 00:23:27.190
since it's not that serious, we didn't die and

00:23:27.190 --> 00:23:30.390
everybody was fine. Um, and then we wrapped the

00:23:30.390 --> 00:23:33.470
fucking movie and I believe like a week later

00:23:33.470 --> 00:23:34.710
they came back out and they're like, no, no,

00:23:34.710 --> 00:23:36.210
no. COVID's back. COVID's back. And I'm like,

00:23:36.430 --> 00:23:38.109
whatever, at least the fucking thing is done.

00:23:38.210 --> 00:23:40.690
Like, thank God. Yeah. You got that brief window.

00:23:41.299 --> 00:23:43.640
Yeah, we were able to we were able to use that

00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:46.319
first film, the opener that we self funded as

00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:48.839
our resume material to achieve the budget that

00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:50.559
we got for this next film. So when he asked you

00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:53.099
about rerouting, we were able to pull investors

00:23:53.099 --> 00:23:55.759
in for rerouting from that film that we funded

00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:58.160
from working terrible day jobs. And that kind

00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:00.140
of springboarded us up to a position where now

00:24:00.140 --> 00:24:01.700
we're looking at another film eventually in the

00:24:01.700 --> 00:24:03.460
future that we can go a bigger budget on. So

00:24:03.460 --> 00:24:05.200
we're just slowly climbing our way up the ladder.

00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:08.019
And we did that first resume material film through

00:24:08.019 --> 00:24:11.599
all the B .S. of Covid. Fuck yeah. Resilient.

00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:14.559
Persistence. I like it. Yeah. Resevos are resilient.

00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.240
Uh, what eats up the most money during these

00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.160
independent projects? Is it, is it hiring people?

00:24:21.299 --> 00:24:24.500
Is it equipment? Cause like, do you have your

00:24:24.500 --> 00:24:26.180
own cameras and stuff or is that stuff you have

00:24:26.180 --> 00:24:28.279
to rent for every project? How does this go?

00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:31.900
I hear actually guys swap out because I'll tell

00:24:31.900 --> 00:24:34.220
you right now. Sweet. We only got one camera

00:24:34.220 --> 00:24:35.420
to work with. I'm gonna bring the youngest in.

00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:41.039
I love it. And I like that. I like that. Yes,

00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:43.680
sir. I'm off, Mark. I'm off, Mike. But here's

00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:45.640
Mark. That's the youngest. What's going on, guys?

00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.000
I'd say the biggest thing that like eats up the

00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:51.119
budget is like we got to film the film. We got

00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:53.460
to feed the film crew. So what do they call it?

00:24:53.460 --> 00:24:56.859
They call it crafties. And the guy we hired,

00:24:57.480 --> 00:24:59.640
the guy we had hired to get all the crafties,

00:24:59.740 --> 00:25:02.119
that's what they call it on set for the for all

00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:03.920
the employees that we had working on the set.

00:25:04.190 --> 00:25:07.369
um was just spending way too much money he was

00:25:07.369 --> 00:25:09.650
getting like chinese food dishes for everybody

00:25:09.650 --> 00:25:12.829
so like after like the first like five days i

00:25:12.829 --> 00:25:14.990
was paying like out of pocket to feed the whole

00:25:14.990 --> 00:25:18.269
entire the whole entire crew and i spent like

00:25:18.269 --> 00:25:20.609
six thousand dollars of my own money on just

00:25:20.609 --> 00:25:24.170
on food wow and that's when mark became an associate

00:25:24.170 --> 00:25:26.609
producer because anybody that makes the film

00:25:26.609 --> 00:25:28.549
possible when it wouldn't have been possible

00:25:28.549 --> 00:25:31.990
otherwise is talent producer and we ran out of

00:25:31.990 --> 00:25:35.720
money for food with like four days to go and

00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:37.859
he had to do it out of his pocket. Yeah. Cause

00:25:37.859 --> 00:25:39.799
it's rough. I mean, you look at, uh, you look

00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:41.460
at a big budget and you're like, Oh, okay, we're

00:25:41.460 --> 00:25:42.819
good. We're going to get to feed everybody. And

00:25:42.819 --> 00:25:44.700
then when you lose track of who's in charge of

00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:47.240
food and who the fuck ordered steak and you're

00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:50.099
like, we could have gotten, you know, or we could

00:25:50.099 --> 00:25:53.500
have made it cheaper. Yeah. Um, Oh, it's sound

00:25:53.500 --> 00:25:56.220
too. Sound is usually, if you want good sound,

00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:59.259
um, your first couple of amateur products. the

00:25:59.259 --> 00:26:01.420
first couple of movies you do the tell sign that

00:26:01.420 --> 00:26:03.299
they're amateur is that you did your own sound.

00:26:03.619 --> 00:26:06.180
Sound is nothing to play with. It's like having

00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:07.859
a studio engineer that doesn't know what the

00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:10.240
hell he's doing. It's when you do your own sound,

00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:12.759
it is horrific. So you got to put money towards

00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:14.420
a good sound guy because it's, it's something

00:26:14.420 --> 00:26:17.359
you can't judge on location. You try to grab

00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:19.440
headphones for two seconds and you're like, okay,

00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:20.980
that sounds decent. And then you get to the cutting

00:26:20.980 --> 00:26:22.380
room and you're like, well, that was entirely

00:26:22.380 --> 00:26:24.960
fucked and we can't hear anything. Yeah, that's

00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:28.299
dumb. Yeah, that sucks. And this sound like this

00:26:28.299 --> 00:26:30.960
filming the sound separately from the video probably

00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.160
puts a kink in the editing and adds more time

00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:35.079
to that too, right? Because you got to sync them

00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:38.160
up and whatnot. Probably. Yes. Oh, no. Sometimes

00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:39.900
you just have destroyed audio and you're like,

00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:42.279
well, that's a scene we tried. It was a big step

00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:44.880
up from the opener because in the opener, like

00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:47.480
we took it took us five years to make that film.

00:26:48.059 --> 00:26:50.839
And over the time, like we were just. kind of

00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:52.559
like getting all of our friends together and

00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:53.960
doing it ourselves. So this is the first time

00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.019
we had like an assistant director. We had somebody

00:26:56.019 --> 00:26:58.180
walking around with like a time watch on our

00:26:58.180 --> 00:27:00.480
computer, making sure we were staying to time.

00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.420
And when we did our first scene together, it

00:27:03.420 --> 00:27:05.759
was on the opener. We were able to just run it

00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:07.720
until we got it. We would take as long as we

00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.900
needed on it. This time around, we had the assistant

00:27:10.900 --> 00:27:12.519
director like, yo, we got to hurry up and get

00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.119
this shot. And because all three of us were making

00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:19.299
the production, we were all separate. And, um,

00:27:19.420 --> 00:27:21.059
we couldn't study our lines together because

00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:23.039
we all, I was doing one thing. Kevin was doing

00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:25.119
one thing. Rocky was doing one thing. So it took

00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:27.240
us a try to a couple of tries to get like our

00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:28.799
first scene down together. Cause we weren't able

00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:33.039
to study. So do you guys look at the Farley brothers,

00:27:33.339 --> 00:27:35.880
like inspirations and like you want the Savo,

00:27:35.900 --> 00:27:38.500
the Savo brothers to be on that type of, are

00:27:38.500 --> 00:27:40.059
those the brothers that did the Sandler flick?

00:27:40.639 --> 00:27:43.079
They are the ones that did I think the original

00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:46.140
dumb and dumber with Jim Carrey and about Mary

00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:49.380
I think something about Mary. Yeah No, I didn't

00:27:49.380 --> 00:27:51.000
even be honest with you. I didn't even know who

00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:54.789
they were as far as brothers I don't even think

00:27:54.789 --> 00:27:56.289
film I think the Bee Gees because there's three

00:27:56.289 --> 00:27:59.950
of us. I think we're more like like Adam Sandler

00:27:59.950 --> 00:28:02.170
and his film crew because he has all his friends

00:28:02.170 --> 00:28:04.589
and family and every film and you see reoccurring

00:28:04.589 --> 00:28:06.410
actors and stuff I think it's the same kind of

00:28:06.410 --> 00:28:08.150
thing with us. Yeah that's how it is every movie

00:28:08.150 --> 00:28:11.009
is the three brothers and then usually a portion

00:28:11.009 --> 00:28:12.750
of the family dad's usually in there somewhere

00:28:12.750 --> 00:28:15.410
as a cameo and then all our friends. I love it,

00:28:15.470 --> 00:28:17.710
dude. And that's, and I like your, your vision

00:28:17.710 --> 00:28:20.109
on that for when you guys do make it to the big

00:28:20.109 --> 00:28:21.730
time that you're going to bring your crew with

00:28:21.730 --> 00:28:23.849
you and put, keep putting them in like Sandler

00:28:23.849 --> 00:28:26.549
does, which is, we got to be able to do it our

00:28:26.549 --> 00:28:30.769
way. And hopefully in the near future or late

00:28:30.769 --> 00:28:33.710
future with our own funding, because sometimes

00:28:33.710 --> 00:28:36.150
I wonder if, if it progressed, if they'd even

00:28:36.150 --> 00:28:38.450
like, let us bring our friends, because even

00:28:38.450 --> 00:28:39.910
like traditionally speaking, if we didn't have

00:28:39.910 --> 00:28:42.210
investors that believed in us, none of us would

00:28:42.210 --> 00:28:45.279
be. I'm the lead rocks, the supporting role marks,

00:28:45.299 --> 00:28:47.920
the secondary supporting role. Uh, generally

00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.019
anybody that is in the business, if they liked

00:28:51.019 --> 00:28:53.619
the film, we didn't have the investors that we

00:28:53.619 --> 00:28:56.440
had that they wanted to be in the film and they

00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:58.700
believe in us and they wanted it to be our own

00:28:58.700 --> 00:29:02.319
product. Uh, generally, if you all could stop

00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:04.339
with the off camera shit for Christ's sake, sorry.

00:29:04.539 --> 00:29:08.559
I'm in the room with the whole family. Uh, yeah,

00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:11.359
well, I lost my point of view again. Thanks guys.

00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:16.500
If you guys are the ones, like I think every

00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:19.759
movie Sandler's Inn, it's like a Happy Gil or

00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.440
Gilmore Happy production or Happy Madison production,

00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.119
something like that. So if you guys have some

00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.640
role in the production, probably have some say

00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.440
on who you bring in, who you don't. I don't really

00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.160
know how it works. Yeah, I'd love to be able

00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:34.250
to. What I was trying to say was Yeah, so generally

00:29:34.250 --> 00:29:36.509
if it was somebody like from within within the

00:29:36.509 --> 00:29:38.250
business that liked our script they would replace

00:29:38.250 --> 00:29:41.329
all of us Yeah, I was already and it's kind of

00:29:41.329 --> 00:29:43.289
funny that because we do have some high -end

00:29:43.289 --> 00:29:46.009
producers on the executive producing side and

00:29:46.009 --> 00:29:49.549
The the thing you know the thing about the whole

00:29:49.549 --> 00:29:51.430
thing that Stallone had the battle into getting

00:29:51.430 --> 00:29:55.230
into movies, which was like you're not like you're

00:29:55.230 --> 00:29:58.990
too Muscular to be considered like a vulnerable

00:29:58.990 --> 00:30:02.960
character I had to deal with all that shit too,

00:30:03.059 --> 00:30:05.359
which is like, why is the lead have muscles?

00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:07.039
And I'm like, cause the character is based on

00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.940
me and they're like, well, he's got a love interest

00:30:09.940 --> 00:30:12.779
and he hates where he is in life. And so he would

00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:15.140
ordinarily be like a, like a little skinny guy

00:30:15.140 --> 00:30:17.819
so that that's believable. That's muscle shaming.

00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:21.480
I was going to say it's not based on you for

00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:25.420
one. So you are that guy. Uh, it's funny to have

00:30:25.420 --> 00:30:27.980
ideals on what people could be. And I, for sure

00:30:27.980 --> 00:30:30.319
they do. I hear. Well, it's racist now to go

00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.460
to the gym. You know that, right? Well, yeah,

00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.839
basically. Well, you know, I mean, you guys are

00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:39.140
generally conservative cats, so you conservatives

00:30:39.140 --> 00:30:41.940
more than anybody are pretty tapped into the

00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:44.799
what they call the attack on masculinity. That's

00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:47.500
sort of a buzzword of its own right now. But

00:30:47.500 --> 00:30:50.500
this was going on even back in the 70s. But it's

00:30:50.500 --> 00:30:53.420
the one stereotype that nobody pushes against.

00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.359
You know, they'll push against like. every film

00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:58.980
has to have racial inclusion, gender inclusion,

00:30:59.299 --> 00:31:01.880
gay inclusion. But the one stereotype nobody's

00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:03.480
fighting is the one that nobody really knows

00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.740
about unless you're in film, which is if you're

00:31:05.740 --> 00:31:08.539
to believe that the lead in a film is vulnerable,

00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.259
is capable of love, is capable of feeling things

00:31:11.259 --> 00:31:13.119
and you're going to relate to them, the lead

00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:15.900
should not have muscles if it's a guy and the

00:31:15.900 --> 00:31:19.960
lead female, the lead female should ideally have

00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.319
like no bigger than eight cups. and the reason

00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.700
being yeah the reason being is like the the curvy

00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:30.259
big titty girl is the threat to the vulnerable

00:31:30.259 --> 00:31:32.799
lead female. She could never be vulnerable herself.

00:31:33.059 --> 00:31:35.619
And then like the dude with muscles is like a

00:31:35.619 --> 00:31:38.660
jock, a moron, a bully. Um, and that's been going

00:31:38.660 --> 00:31:40.920
on. That's been going on since the beginning

00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.339
of film. That was the whole reason. Like, you

00:31:42.339 --> 00:31:44.039
know, Rocky was supposed to be a pretty boy.

00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:45.819
Rocky wasn't supposed to be Sylvester Stallone.

00:31:46.019 --> 00:31:47.940
They wanted to go with somebody who was like

00:31:47.940 --> 00:31:50.519
Redford. Yeah. There was a, they wanted everybody.

00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.420
Yeah. Yeah. He held on. Does anyone know how

00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:58.140
that, that guy got the rights to Rocky? does

00:31:58.140 --> 00:32:00.019
Erwin, whatever the fuck his name is. Oh, wow.

00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.480
You're tapped in with that sly himself. I've

00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.900
seen a few things on it, like on just on Instagram

00:32:04.900 --> 00:32:07.720
and stuff and sly talking about it like, yeah,

00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:09.799
guy owns the rights to Rocky. And yeah, that

00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.339
the producer of Rocky owns the rights to Rocky

00:32:12.339 --> 00:32:14.559
and a producer never usually owns the rights

00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.160
to a film. The studio owns the rights to it.

00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:19.140
It kind of like, you know, the deal with like

00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:22.259
when you're in a band or you're an artist, it's.

00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.619
It looks freeing and it looks like you're on

00:32:24.619 --> 00:32:26.220
top of the world, but really like the record

00:32:26.220 --> 00:32:28.099
labels are like your boss and you're like the

00:32:28.099 --> 00:32:30.039
employee of the record label. I don't know how

00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:31.880
much of that shit you experienced personally.

00:32:32.019 --> 00:32:34.420
Oh yeah. They own the masters. They, they basically

00:32:34.420 --> 00:32:36.619
control where the music can go. I mean, they,

00:32:36.819 --> 00:32:39.200
you have some say in it, but the record company

00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:41.380
owns the masters for life. Did you ever deal

00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:43.140
with, you ever deal with those situations where

00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:45.180
it's like, we have a 15 track album and the record

00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:46.680
labels like, no, you don't, you got a 10 track

00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:52.890
album. Uh, not necessarily that, but we. ran

00:32:52.890 --> 00:32:57.769
into situations where they, especially like on

00:32:57.769 --> 00:33:00.029
a third record, Secret Samadhi, like they sent

00:33:00.029 --> 00:33:02.869
out the fucking the new owner of Universal at

00:33:02.869 --> 00:33:04.930
that point and came to the studio and was trying

00:33:04.930 --> 00:33:06.809
to like, tell us how to mix it. And it was like

00:33:06.809 --> 00:33:10.710
the least creative person. OK, yeah. Take it

00:33:10.710 --> 00:33:14.269
easy, buddy. Right. So it was I mean, yeah, we've

00:33:14.269 --> 00:33:16.150
run into situations, but not that specifically

00:33:16.150 --> 00:33:18.089
about the amount of tracks that you were kind

00:33:18.089 --> 00:33:20.250
of limited back in the day on CDs, how many tracks

00:33:20.250 --> 00:33:23.039
you could put on it anyway. So it could be about

00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.720
an hour, hour and 10. We kind of had the same

00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:27.759
problem on set too. Like we had somebody bring

00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.160
like a friend that like didn't know much about

00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.500
film. And as we're trying to film is trying to

00:33:32.500 --> 00:33:34.720
critique like our scene and like, did you frame

00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:36.019
the shots? It's like, what do you think we're

00:33:36.019 --> 00:33:37.700
doing out there right now? Yeah. We framed the

00:33:37.700 --> 00:33:39.440
shot. No, we didn't frame a shot. We aimed the

00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:40.880
camera at the fucking ceiling and we're playing

00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:44.359
with our decks. Exactly. Yeah. Well, that's right.

00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.960
Not a that's double penetration. What is the

00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:51.930
DP on set? Oh, sorry. The director of photography,

00:33:52.069 --> 00:33:54.170
but our director of photography is also our cam

00:33:54.170 --> 00:33:57.710
operator. Uh, Joe Genovese. I never know how

00:33:57.710 --> 00:34:00.309
to say his name properly. Don't they always have

00:34:00.309 --> 00:34:04.680
like weird, obscure names? I know. No, it's just

00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:06.680
a very, very Italian name. I always forget how

00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.159
to pronounce it. I thought there was like this,

00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.920
this thing where DPS like that is weird. Our

00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.119
cameras, our camera operator is also our DP and

00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:17.940
he's a fucking beast. He's a beast. We'd put

00:34:17.940 --> 00:34:20.579
them in trunks, hang them from ceilings. He would

00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:23.239
do it all with no complaints. I got a question

00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:25.000
for you, Kevin. How come you didn't have to have

00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:27.639
like permits or permission when you took me on

00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:29.980
set? Everywhere you went as a dad, I was freaking

00:34:29.980 --> 00:34:32.139
out like, is it cool to be shooting here? Are

00:34:32.139 --> 00:34:34.019
the cops going to come? And then finally I just

00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:37.320
shut up and it was amazing to see. Just go out

00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.599
and shoot and ask questions later. Nobody asked

00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:42.599
questions. Right. Well, that's what I was going

00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:46.059
to say. If you're like, if I want to go to shop,

00:34:46.139 --> 00:34:48.579
right, and talk to people on camera and interview

00:34:48.579 --> 00:34:50.340
them as they're going in, I believe that's my

00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:52.239
right. So what would be the difference if you

00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:54.699
wanted to film a fucking scene outside of a place

00:34:54.699 --> 00:34:56.260
there? There is no difference for the longest

00:34:56.260 --> 00:34:58.760
time. He would do street interviews and in -person

00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.480
pranks. You can see that on his channel. Is it

00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:03.519
still called table vlogs? Yeah. He would go do

00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:05.119
in -person pranks and they'd arrest him all the

00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.599
time. We'd always have to go bail him out. Wow.

00:35:07.739 --> 00:35:09.920
For me. Yeah. He got arrested in a in a fucking

00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:12.449
dominoes. Did anything stick? We actually get

00:35:12.449 --> 00:35:14.010
out of those charges. Were you fighting that

00:35:14.010 --> 00:35:16.630
case for a while? I put on Facebook, like I was

00:35:16.630 --> 00:35:18.389
like, Hey man, I'm dealing with some like legal

00:35:18.389 --> 00:35:20.369
trouble for a video I shot. And then one of my

00:35:20.369 --> 00:35:22.730
dad's friends like, uh, was came to be my lawyer

00:35:22.730 --> 00:35:24.610
for free and they dropped all the charges and

00:35:24.610 --> 00:35:28.289
stuff. Nice. It's amazing what you can get away

00:35:28.289 --> 00:35:30.530
with, with a little bit of money and a great

00:35:30.530 --> 00:35:33.750
lawyer, dude, you could fucking do so much shit,

00:35:34.610 --> 00:35:37.480
dude. Case in point. There he is. look at the

00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:39.659
shirt i'm wearing too it's it's kind of dark

00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:42.340
but it's a secret samani shirt very oh i guess

00:35:42.340 --> 00:35:45.599
kind of see the mask yes nice uh so everybody

00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.059
supports my kids uh through me which is a beautiful

00:35:49.059 --> 00:35:51.119
thing and they it's taken on a life of their

00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:54.119
own and a friend of mine's uh husband's a lawyer

00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:56.199
reached out to me he's like you know if your

00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.090
son needs help Little did he know, like every

00:35:59.090 --> 00:36:00.869
other week, he's going to get another call and

00:36:00.869 --> 00:36:03.869
another call and another call. But yeah, Mark,

00:36:03.889 --> 00:36:06.449
Mark, you got to swing the camera back to Mark.

00:36:06.550 --> 00:36:08.989
The one he did at the Domino's Pizza was awesome.

00:36:09.110 --> 00:36:11.110
It freaked me out, though. I'm always stressed

00:36:11.110 --> 00:36:13.929
out. Would you pull off there? Well, what I did,

00:36:13.929 --> 00:36:16.469
I used to do pranks because we were big and I

00:36:16.469 --> 00:36:18.670
was big into the YouTube prank scene like back

00:36:18.670 --> 00:36:20.969
in like 2010. So like there's like these guys

00:36:20.969 --> 00:36:24.289
like Roman Atwood and stuff. I looked up to and

00:36:24.289 --> 00:36:27.250
I would go out and. cause a scene out there for

00:36:27.250 --> 00:36:29.989
camera. But since I became Christian and became

00:36:29.989 --> 00:36:32.710
religious, I kind of steered away from the pranks

00:36:32.710 --> 00:36:35.070
and stuff and, you know, making people look bad

00:36:35.070 --> 00:36:38.269
and stuff. So I now I just go do street interviews.

00:36:38.269 --> 00:36:40.769
And like this year we went to we went to New

00:36:40.769 --> 00:36:43.150
York City Times Square for New Year's Eve. And

00:36:43.150 --> 00:36:44.789
we were just interviewing people on how they

00:36:44.789 --> 00:36:47.610
can be better humans and and stay closer to God

00:36:47.610 --> 00:36:49.369
in the new year and stuff. But tell them about

00:36:49.369 --> 00:36:52.050
the dominoes. But the dominoes one, I basically

00:36:52.050 --> 00:36:54.829
dressed up as a dominoes worker and I because

00:36:54.829 --> 00:36:57.170
Kevin used to work there. So I took his uniform

00:36:57.170 --> 00:37:00.289
and I walked back there and just started working

00:37:00.289 --> 00:37:03.469
and making pizzas. And then they called the police.

00:37:03.889 --> 00:37:05.989
And then they rested putting his hands in the

00:37:05.989 --> 00:37:08.849
dough and shit. I knew he was into the pranks

00:37:08.849 --> 00:37:10.769
and I used to I worked at a dominoes temporarily

00:37:10.769 --> 00:37:12.530
because I would take any job under the sun that

00:37:12.530 --> 00:37:14.210
I could to stay afloat while I was dumping my

00:37:14.210 --> 00:37:16.449
money in the movies. And when I quit, because

00:37:16.449 --> 00:37:19.269
who the fuck wants to work at a dominoes? I tossed

00:37:19.269 --> 00:37:20.630
him the uniform and I'm like, hey, if you ever

00:37:20.630 --> 00:37:22.130
want to do something with this, go for it. He

00:37:22.130 --> 00:37:24.489
walked in and just started making a pizza and

00:37:24.489 --> 00:37:28.119
pretended that. He thought he worked there. That's

00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:30.980
when they arrested him, when they arrested him.

00:37:31.139 --> 00:37:32.780
I think I went down there to collect the W two

00:37:32.780 --> 00:37:34.760
or something around tax season. And I'm like,

00:37:34.900 --> 00:37:36.679
yo, you guys know, it was just my brother fucking

00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:40.000
around. And the manager was like, yeah, I told

00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.480
the owner that's just save those brother. He

00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:43.599
likes to fuck around. Don't press charges. And,

00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:45.929
uh, but the owner said, no, let's do it. And

00:37:45.929 --> 00:37:49.570
he said it like really enthusiastically. So did

00:37:49.570 --> 00:37:52.050
they detain you there? Could you have left before?

00:37:52.250 --> 00:37:54.730
No, they detained me and gave me a summons to

00:37:54.730 --> 00:37:57.550
appear. And then I went home. And I mean, it's

00:37:57.550 --> 00:37:59.809
always like, did you could you have left before

00:37:59.809 --> 00:38:02.469
the cops arrived or the big? Well, the problem

00:38:02.469 --> 00:38:04.969
was some. But there was a Staples next door and

00:38:04.969 --> 00:38:06.969
someone had stolen from Staples. So as I was

00:38:06.969 --> 00:38:08.750
walking out, a cop was walking in to ask some

00:38:08.750 --> 00:38:11.849
questions. Ironically enough. But the biggest

00:38:11.849 --> 00:38:14.030
problem with it was this was around, like, like

00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:15.949
after this, they were still wearing masks. So

00:38:15.949 --> 00:38:17.929
the problem was I went back there without a mask

00:38:17.929 --> 00:38:20.590
and started touching stuff. And then they was

00:38:20.590 --> 00:38:25.170
a big problem. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. A little bit

00:38:25.170 --> 00:38:27.690
of background of like how we got into film. Like,

00:38:27.949 --> 00:38:30.829
I don't know. When you guys knew that you wanted

00:38:30.829 --> 00:38:32.909
to do music, like what age did you decide you

00:38:32.909 --> 00:38:38.429
wanted to do music? About 12, 13. 12, 13. Yeah.

00:38:38.849 --> 00:38:42.030
So like Kevin was like for some somehow where

00:38:42.030 --> 00:38:45.090
he was eighth grade already doing music. I think

00:38:45.090 --> 00:38:47.349
you're like, yeah, we were 12 when we started

00:38:47.349 --> 00:38:49.210
the band. We were in eighth grade. Yeah. Yeah,

00:38:49.210 --> 00:38:53.289
Kevin, Kevin was just born with with being in

00:38:53.289 --> 00:38:55.090
the film and he would always run around the house

00:38:55.090 --> 00:38:59.329
with a VHS camera and he just was born with knowing

00:38:59.329 --> 00:39:02.090
his path. So, you know, when my parents got divorced,

00:39:02.110 --> 00:39:04.050
we were kind of stuck in this part of this apartment

00:39:04.050 --> 00:39:06.690
in Charlotte, North Carolina. And we used to

00:39:06.690 --> 00:39:08.570
just all film together as kids and we'd make

00:39:08.570 --> 00:39:10.250
little YouTube videos. We had a channel called

00:39:10.250 --> 00:39:11.949
Live Rednecks, which is still out there. You

00:39:11.949 --> 00:39:13.929
can see a bunch of us doing crazy stuff, but

00:39:13.929 --> 00:39:16.889
we would make movie trailers without making the

00:39:16.889 --> 00:39:20.000
movie. And, um, we, I sent one to J row. He saw

00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.679
it. Yeah. So we would just those and, um, it

00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:26.460
carried on into our, like our later years. So

00:39:26.460 --> 00:39:28.239
I want to say that I didn't send it to Chad,

00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.860
but to see the progression. Cause I think your

00:39:30.860 --> 00:39:34.639
dad said that you guys were like 15, 13 and 11,

00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.599
something like that during the trailer that he

00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.739
sent me, uh, to see the progression from that

00:39:40.739 --> 00:39:43.800
to rerouting is Fucking phenomenal. How long,

00:39:44.179 --> 00:39:46.940
uh, Steve, how long ago was that one that you

00:39:46.940 --> 00:39:50.239
sent me made, uh, as opposed to like now, like

00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.400
how many years ago was that? Action movie one

00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:56.800
to the head. 2013. So 12, 10 years, 10, 11 years.

00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.039
I think Mark is like killing people in it. He

00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.760
looks very young and it's like eight or nine.

00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:08.559
His voice was yeah. Cool progression, man. Yeah,

00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.039
no effects in it where I believe I used I think

00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:14.480
it was an app where you could create an explosion

00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.579
that kind of yeah Yeah, I used that way back

00:40:17.579 --> 00:40:20.000
in the day like with my first iPhone. I believe

00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.480
yeah Well, we were just kids like what our parents

00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:24.079
divorced and we were stuck into this apartment

00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:26.519
complex and there was no kids in our area So

00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:28.500
all we really had was each other and we were

00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:29.920
like, well, what are we gonna do in this apartment?

00:40:29.940 --> 00:40:31.739
There's nothing to do. So we just started picking

00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:34.260
up a camera and Kevin even when I was like a

00:40:34.260 --> 00:40:37.139
like a baby toddler. Kevin used to like dress

00:40:37.139 --> 00:40:39.840
me up and like we'd do little movie scenes and

00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.840
stuff and carried on into our later years. Nothing's

00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:44.599
really changed and we all just work together

00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:47.719
and it's very few. We have a lot of content creators

00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:50.039
we work with that will see us around and even

00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:51.679
if like we're just at the corner store, we're

00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:53.179
on the phone with each other every time we hang

00:40:53.179 --> 00:40:55.940
up. My dad lost a brother and he's always distilled

00:40:55.940 --> 00:40:58.380
into us that like like no matter what if you

00:40:58.380 --> 00:41:00.179
guys are fighting when you get off the phone

00:41:00.179 --> 00:41:02.119
before you see before you leave them, you say

00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:03.480
I love you because you never know when you'll

00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.500
see them again. That's beautiful, dude. And that's

00:41:06.500 --> 00:41:09.440
powerful. That's powerful. And it's true. Not

00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.039
to bring the show down, but my brother -in -law

00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.440
just lost his mother, man, to cancer the end

00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.940
of last week. Rest in peace. Sorry to hear that.

00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:20.639
Thank you for that. But it's so true. You need

00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:23.219
to. Tell your love your loved ones that you love

00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:25.679
them and don't end the day with the fight. Like,

00:41:25.780 --> 00:41:28.039
you know. Yeah, you have to, especially when

00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.079
you punch each other in the fucking head so often.

00:41:30.699 --> 00:41:32.719
That's the brotherhood, right? You can get a

00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:34.559
little physical and then come back and love each

00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.699
other. Like I got a fake tooth and Kevin's shoulders

00:41:37.699 --> 00:41:39.460
messed up from all the years of us fighting.

00:41:39.860 --> 00:41:42.000
Me and him affect each other up the most. And

00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.400
then nobody can take the middle child. He's the

00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:45.940
one that actually knows how to fight. And we

00:41:45.940 --> 00:41:48.000
only semi know how to fight. So we beat each

00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:51.559
other up. We break things in training. Yeah,

00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.099
although they both fought. So Mark started playing

00:41:54.099 --> 00:41:57.119
hockey with Rock in the first game. Someone went

00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.440
after Rocky and Mark went after the biggest guy

00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:03.760
and Mark and he felt bad about it because, you

00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:05.659
know, he's trying to like, you know, you know,

00:42:05.860 --> 00:42:07.719
do the right thing spiritually. And I'm like,

00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.099
dude, it's hockey. You never apologize for that.

00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:13.159
You know, many guys were afraid of me. that can

00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:15.400
totally kick my ass, but they saw me annihilate

00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.579
one guy. I had to keep that for years, you know?

00:42:17.699 --> 00:42:20.519
Right. Right. Well, it's it's like you see a

00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:22.840
lot of bands out there that go on tours and stuff.

00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:25.739
And like sometimes like off camera, you see online

00:42:25.739 --> 00:42:28.039
that like there's a lot of beef between them

00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:29.860
and they only like are together when they're

00:42:29.860 --> 00:42:32.699
on stage because they have to be. And it's hard

00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:34.420
for me to wrap my head around that. I know that

00:42:34.420 --> 00:42:36.719
like business can get in the way with stuff.

00:42:37.179 --> 00:42:39.679
But like, are you talking about live over there?

00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:41.880
No. I was going to say, don't come too close

00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.460
to a source. You know what I'm saying? Maybe

00:42:44.460 --> 00:42:46.760
Motley Crue. Yeah, maybe Motley Crue. We're talking

00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.659
about Motley Crue. It is prolific in all kinds

00:42:50.659 --> 00:42:54.840
of bands like that. Oh, for sure. Hall and Oates

00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.539
fucking hate each other. Their last tour, they

00:42:57.539 --> 00:43:00.340
would arrive in separate vehicles and separate

00:43:00.340 --> 00:43:02.739
doors, come in separate sides of the building,

00:43:02.860 --> 00:43:05.480
meet on stage and then fucking leave that way.

00:43:05.780 --> 00:43:07.400
I can't believe they did that. Now they're in

00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:11.119
a big lawsuit together. Yeah. That's horrible.

00:43:11.460 --> 00:43:13.280
Yeah. Hall of notes, dude. You thought like,

00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:16.119
you know, the, the, they were like, you thought

00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:19.480
they were brothers or some shit. Like one of

00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.719
the few, I mean, and Chad, maybe you could tell

00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.519
me other ones that, you know, personally, but

00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.280
honestly, the only band I can think of that I

00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:31.260
know and have met that are actually Good friends

00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:33.460
and are not under contract to one another and

00:43:33.460 --> 00:43:35.860
the friendship seems like it holds the crew together

00:43:35.860 --> 00:43:37.960
is Def Leppard I mean honest with you. I can't

00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.659
think of anybody else like any other big band

00:43:40.659 --> 00:43:43.780
that we grew up with that like Or rush. Yeah

00:43:43.780 --> 00:43:46.719
rush. I got Dave Matthews band on that list.

00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:49.940
That's okay Dave Matthews band They all seem

00:43:49.940 --> 00:43:53.079
to get along pretty well. Yeah, but I just about

00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:57.159
most other bands. I've come close to They all

00:43:57.159 --> 00:43:59.699
hate each other. There's only a few original

00:43:59.699 --> 00:44:01.860
members left. And if they got to come together,

00:44:02.019 --> 00:44:06.139
it's contractual. And obviously the biggest example

00:44:06.139 --> 00:44:08.260
of that has got to be Kiss. I mean, all the feud

00:44:08.260 --> 00:44:10.139
that went on in Kiss, but like they hold it together

00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:13.219
because they're so business minded. Yeah. Well,

00:44:13.420 --> 00:44:15.679
between Gene and Paul Stanley, they keep it together.

00:44:15.940 --> 00:44:18.000
They just replaced the guitar player and a drummer.

00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:20.659
But you could do that, too, if you were wearing

00:44:20.659 --> 00:44:23.219
paint, like nobody knows who the fuck they are

00:44:23.219 --> 00:44:26.679
without that shit. So like they put on the same

00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:30.559
face and oh, I don't know that. I got my mind

00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:33.440
blown that Bush is basically just Gavin Rosedale

00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:35.900
now. There's like no original members in that

00:44:35.900 --> 00:44:40.659
band but him. Right before right before the tour

00:44:40.659 --> 00:44:43.039
that we did with him in 19, the original drummer

00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.659
was still in the band in 18. Actually, we did

00:44:45.659 --> 00:44:48.420
a show with him in Mexico and Guadalajara. at

00:44:48.420 --> 00:44:51.159
a festival and the original drummer was there.

00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.280
His name is Robin. I've always aspired to have

00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:57.280
either or like honestly, because I know how difficult

00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:58.699
things can get, especially working with family.

00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:00.679
Like give me either or either we're all such

00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:03.019
good friends. We're all going to be good or let's

00:45:03.019 --> 00:45:04.840
just get under contract. So when we're beating

00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:06.239
the shit out of each other, everybody still shows

00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.300
up for work as long as as long as everything

00:45:08.300 --> 00:45:10.619
gets done. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of it

00:45:10.619 --> 00:45:13.199
boils down to you start a band when you're young

00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:15.380
and you're basically fucking kids. I mean, we

00:45:15.380 --> 00:45:17.809
were definitely kids and But even in your 20s,

00:45:17.809 --> 00:45:20.550
you're still kind of young and kids. And then

00:45:20.550 --> 00:45:23.650
you, if you become successful, you are growing

00:45:23.650 --> 00:45:25.570
as men, but you don't really fucking deal with

00:45:25.570 --> 00:45:28.570
each other as men. And that shit comes out later

00:45:28.570 --> 00:45:31.469
in life. And like, you know, you just, whatever

00:45:31.469 --> 00:45:35.170
it is, something sparks a divide and it's like,

00:45:35.190 --> 00:45:38.030
it's fucked from there. But I mean, Metallica

00:45:38.030 --> 00:45:40.949
was a great example of a band that fucking almost

00:45:40.949 --> 00:45:43.250
destroyed themselves, but they, they did a whole,

00:45:43.369 --> 00:45:44.710
some kind of monster thing and it brought in

00:45:44.710 --> 00:45:47.619
a therapist. That was crazy, wasn't it? And I've

00:45:47.619 --> 00:45:49.360
said this multiple times. When we came back together

00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.340
in 16, I was like, we need band therapy right

00:45:52.340 --> 00:45:54.119
fucking now. Let's do it. No one else wanted

00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.519
to do it. I was like, OK, this is going to be

00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:58.599
fun. It's going to end in fucking disaster. But

00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:02.059
let's let's go for it. Right. Yeah. Like you

00:46:02.059 --> 00:46:04.360
said, Kevin, if you could, you know, come together

00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:06.219
and business is business, even though everybody

00:46:06.219 --> 00:46:08.880
hates each other or you love each other and business

00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:11.139
is business. As long as business is business

00:46:11.139 --> 00:46:13.559
and you're getting the job done. Then I could

00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.739
see either way would work technically, but it's

00:46:16.739 --> 00:46:18.739
got to be the best way has to be when there's

00:46:18.739 --> 00:46:21.239
all love around and business is business. You

00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.940
know, I'm sure with you and your brothers, it's

00:46:23.940 --> 00:46:26.099
way more love than there is hate. Yeah. You have

00:46:26.099 --> 00:46:28.139
your physical stuff. You have your fucking, you

00:46:28.139 --> 00:46:31.719
hate each other, but I'm sure most of it is love,

00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.940
you know? Yeah, absolutely. But I I've seen all

00:46:34.940 --> 00:46:36.840
of it. You know, the rerouting was the first

00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:40.719
time I got to work with people that weren't 80

00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:42.869
% of it is friends and family. And then we had

00:46:42.869 --> 00:46:46.349
the few actors that we hired traditionally through

00:46:46.349 --> 00:46:49.530
casting. And then there were actors that producers

00:46:49.530 --> 00:46:52.690
brought on and recommended and 80 % of it all

00:46:52.690 --> 00:46:54.429
love all friends and family. But that was the

00:46:54.429 --> 00:46:56.989
first time I ever experienced actors that I didn't

00:46:56.989 --> 00:46:58.789
quite get along with. And not that there was

00:46:58.789 --> 00:47:01.579
any like, anger or feud, but you just didn't

00:47:01.579 --> 00:47:03.500
click. You weren't friendly with one another.

00:47:03.699 --> 00:47:05.559
Someone makes a snide comment here and there.

00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.219
And because we always did things the buddy way,

00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.500
I remember that being very off putting it first.

00:47:10.659 --> 00:47:13.380
And then once the film is done, the producers

00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:14.820
or people behind the scenes going, oh, we'll

00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:16.099
never bring them back. And I'm going, no, you

00:47:16.099 --> 00:47:17.239
know what? We will bring them back. They did

00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.119
a great job. And it's the first time I had to

00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:21.400
mature into realizing we don't have to be friends.

00:47:21.500 --> 00:47:23.519
They showed up. They did a great job. As long

00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:25.719
as no one's throwing shit on the set. We don't

00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:27.440
got to be best friends. And just to put it in

00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:29.980
perspective, too, like just like as tiring as

00:47:29.980 --> 00:47:33.539
like tour can be. We filmed this feature film

00:47:33.539 --> 00:47:37.320
in eight days and then we did like a second unit

00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.340
shoot, which was like a month or two later. And

00:47:40.340 --> 00:47:42.619
yeah, you get very irritable on no sleep. Like

00:47:42.619 --> 00:47:44.800
there was like times where we'd probably like

00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:47.840
between shoots, we'd probably only sleep an hour.

00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:49.800
But legally, the less of the rest of the film

00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.360
crew, we have to give six hours of sleep. So

00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.420
it was it was hard. And then the other thing

00:47:54.420 --> 00:47:57.429
that's people who are real professional in film

00:47:57.429 --> 00:48:00.369
that are all in with how stressful that job is.

00:48:00.469 --> 00:48:02.349
And I'm sure it's not too different from music.

00:48:02.829 --> 00:48:05.590
The real, real professionals you can get into

00:48:05.590 --> 00:48:09.110
damn near a fist fight with. And as long as the

00:48:09.110 --> 00:48:11.199
film gets finished. you'll work on the next film

00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:13.460
together. As long as everybody is great at what

00:48:13.460 --> 00:48:15.099
they do and they're great at their job. Like,

00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:18.480
I mean, we, we had so many blowouts with producers

00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:20.880
in between shoots and we're like, fuck, we'll

00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:22.480
never work from them. We'll never hear from them

00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.400
again. We'll never work together again. And then

00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:26.340
at the end of it all, everybody's friends. And

00:48:26.340 --> 00:48:28.840
it took me a minute to realize it. The real professional

00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.980
is like, no shit is going to get heated. Don't

00:48:31.980 --> 00:48:36.139
attribute it to the work. They don't make it

00:48:36.139 --> 00:48:39.349
personal. Right. Yeah, yeah, it's just like before

00:48:39.349 --> 00:48:41.309
fucking show time. Like if shit's going fucking

00:48:41.309 --> 00:48:43.190
haywire before sound check, you know, you got

00:48:43.190 --> 00:48:45.110
to you got to be on stage in an hour and everybody's

00:48:45.110 --> 00:48:46.530
fucking hyped and angry, whatever the fuck with.

00:48:46.630 --> 00:48:48.010
Like the main thing is you got to get on with

00:48:48.010 --> 00:48:49.389
this performance. There's people waiting to see

00:48:49.389 --> 00:48:53.449
you. My god, I'm sorry. I was going to say, I

00:48:53.449 --> 00:48:56.670
think the road crews are dealing with that on

00:48:56.670 --> 00:48:59.489
a daily basis on tour. Like they don't get along

00:48:59.489 --> 00:49:01.429
with everybody, but the show is the most important.

00:49:01.530 --> 00:49:03.150
They fucking put all that shit aside to get the

00:49:03.150 --> 00:49:05.929
show on every night, you know. Yeah, I think

00:49:05.929 --> 00:49:08.429
it's, and then the people that once, you know,

00:49:08.469 --> 00:49:10.349
the show goes on and it went according to plan,

00:49:10.389 --> 00:49:12.550
the people that carry that bitterness with them

00:49:12.550 --> 00:49:14.789
after it's wrapped or after the tour is over

00:49:14.789 --> 00:49:16.650
or after the film is over, those are the people

00:49:16.650 --> 00:49:19.530
you don't have back. It's the people that are

00:49:19.530 --> 00:49:21.750
like the fucking product got done the way we

00:49:21.750 --> 00:49:23.449
wanted to get to get done. And there was some

00:49:23.449 --> 00:49:25.429
beef and everything and we're good. You know,

00:49:25.469 --> 00:49:26.849
those, those are the people that can really handle

00:49:26.849 --> 00:49:29.570
their shit. Cause it was rare, but there was

00:49:29.570 --> 00:49:31.409
occasions where we had to fire people that just

00:49:31.409 --> 00:49:33.550
didn't get along. They just didn't gel with anybody.

00:49:34.219 --> 00:49:37.280
like truck, truck drivers or just somebody. It

00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.059
rarely would come to us because, you know, we

00:49:39.059 --> 00:49:42.719
were whatever insulated, insulated from all of

00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.619
it. And by the occasion was like, okay, this

00:49:44.619 --> 00:49:46.119
truck driver is holding a knife on somebody.

00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.559
We're like, okay, well, he's done. He's done.

00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.659
Send them home. Yeah. See, uh, my favorite set

00:49:53.659 --> 00:49:56.960
blow up and I have to listen to it. Watch it

00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:59.119
at least once, twice a year is Christian bail

00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:02.150
below. I knew you were going to say that. That

00:50:02.150 --> 00:50:05.789
is legendary dude, I need it's so fucking funny

00:50:05.789 --> 00:50:09.090
how pissed he is like It's like the whole thing

00:50:09.090 --> 00:50:11.570
is like eight minutes of him fucking going nuts.

00:50:11.769 --> 00:50:14.829
I'm trying to do a senior in my eye line bubba

00:50:14.829 --> 00:50:17.849
bubba bubba You're walking around. Holy shit.

00:50:17.949 --> 00:50:21.920
That guy went nuts But where it got crazy for

00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:23.800
me is he's like I'm not shooting unless this

00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:26.179
guy's taking off the set like that seemed to

00:50:26.179 --> 00:50:28.719
be a bit much to it like okay the guy made a

00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:30.860
fucking mistake was it 30 mistakes and then he

00:50:30.860 --> 00:50:32.880
lost it it didn't seem like that to me it just

00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.159
seemed like it was that one and then Christian

00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:38.559
Bale went nuts dude a funny story from our set

00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:41.780
is our director came up here with his kids and

00:50:41.780 --> 00:50:45.050
his dog And he and the Airbnb he was staying

00:50:45.050 --> 00:50:47.889
at what didn't allow animals. So my brother,

00:50:48.090 --> 00:50:50.130
Rocky and his girlfriend had to take the dog

00:50:50.130 --> 00:50:52.070
and they took him to an Airbnb where it was like

00:50:52.070 --> 00:50:54.920
pet friendly. and we're shooting a scene and

00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:56.840
it's like, I believe it was like a scene with

00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:00.340
Kevin and his on camera girlfriend. And I walk

00:51:00.340 --> 00:51:03.400
away and we walk over and we lost the director's

00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:06.420
dog. One of our actors went into the house and

00:51:06.420 --> 00:51:09.659
the dog got out in New Haven, Connecticut. So

00:51:09.659 --> 00:51:11.440
like while stressing out, we're trying to get

00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.039
through the scenes like my dog's gone. He's like,

00:51:13.099 --> 00:51:14.880
Kevin, you're going to have to tell my kids that

00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:17.619
the dog is gone. And I'm the light. Every time

00:51:17.619 --> 00:51:20.119
there's a bad situation, I'm like the the sense

00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.340
of humor. So I go up to him. I'm like, Well,

00:51:22.340 --> 00:51:24.099
we could just buy another dog and spray paint.

00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:29.599
I'm like, no, honestly, no, the whole honestly,

00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:32.500
the whole film process was a fucking disaster.

00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:34.760
Honestly, we work for 14 hours and then we're

00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:36.360
looking for a fucking dog for seven hours. I

00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:39.190
mean, it was nuts. And the director. killed me

00:51:39.190 --> 00:51:41.170
because he was like, my wife is going to freak

00:51:41.170 --> 00:51:42.949
out. She's you. You have to be the one to tell

00:51:42.949 --> 00:51:44.389
her. And I'm like, dude, I'm like, I'm like,

00:51:44.389 --> 00:51:46.510
yeah, I'm like Larry David. I'm like, I can't

00:51:46.510 --> 00:51:48.289
be the one to deliver bad news. He's like, no,

00:51:48.289 --> 00:51:49.909
no, no, you have to do it. And we had just wrapped

00:51:49.909 --> 00:51:51.610
the scene. He hands me the phone and his woman

00:51:51.610 --> 00:51:53.449
is hysterical. She's like, oh, my dog's name

00:51:53.449 --> 00:51:55.050
is Bob and his woman's hysterical. She's like,

00:51:55.269 --> 00:51:57.469
is Bob gone? I'm like, I'm like Larry David giving

00:51:57.469 --> 00:52:00.510
bad news. I'm like, yeah, Bob's gone. He's gone.

00:52:00.690 --> 00:52:02.230
Yeah. And then we went and looked for the dog

00:52:02.230 --> 00:52:06.659
for like five hours. Yeah, we found the dog,

00:52:06.659 --> 00:52:09.019
but it took forever. And then we had to set the

00:52:09.019 --> 00:52:12.760
next day. Wow. This is why our AD, we gave the

00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:14.960
AD the keys to our house and was like, you're

00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:16.880
going to have to pull everybody physically, pull

00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:18.380
everybody out of bed in the morning and like

00:52:18.380 --> 00:52:20.380
put coffee in their face because we'll shoot

00:52:20.380 --> 00:52:22.599
for six hours. Look for a dog for seven hours.

00:52:22.820 --> 00:52:26.800
It's just nuts. That's key though. I think I

00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:28.940
feel, I feel like I need somebody to wake me

00:52:28.940 --> 00:52:31.039
up by throwing coffee in my face every day. That'd

00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.900
be, that'd be a good way to make sure I got up.

00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.440
Yeah. Sometimes you have to. I woke these guys

00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.380
up today and I took the day off to make sure

00:52:38.380 --> 00:52:41.400
they were on time for you. Oh, Kevin was with

00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:43.420
him and we were texting back and forth throughout

00:52:43.420 --> 00:52:45.139
this whole thing. I wasn't, I wasn't worried,

00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:47.260
but thank you guys. He's lying. He's here just

00:52:47.260 --> 00:52:51.530
because he loves life. The funny thing is, is

00:52:51.530 --> 00:52:52.929
you're talking about the movie and I'm hearing

00:52:52.929 --> 00:52:55.309
all these stories and like I'm sitting there

00:52:55.309 --> 00:52:57.969
going, when did I become afraid of my son, Kevin,

00:52:57.989 --> 00:53:00.309
because it's like me when I'm putting things

00:53:00.309 --> 00:53:02.190
together on a stage with the band, everyone stays

00:53:02.190 --> 00:53:05.329
away from me and I see myself in him, but I,

00:53:05.329 --> 00:53:07.909
I truly stay out of her way. I was, uh, one night

00:53:07.909 --> 00:53:11.010
I lent him a property for my day job and I was

00:53:11.010 --> 00:53:12.750
there until two o 'clock in the morning. And,

00:53:13.090 --> 00:53:15.590
uh, you know, I watched Mark and Kevin go back

00:53:15.590 --> 00:53:20.860
and forth on a scene and, uh, So, you know, I

00:53:20.860 --> 00:53:22.960
start massaging Mark shoulders. I'm like, you've

00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:24.960
got this man. You're fine. He goes, tell Kevin.

00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:27.019
Remember his freaking lines. He wouldn't mess

00:53:27.019 --> 00:53:29.059
me up to go rub his damn back. And I'm like,

00:53:29.059 --> 00:53:32.900
let me get out of the way. I have a question

00:53:32.900 --> 00:53:36.820
for either Mark or Kevin or anybody who's acted.

00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.860
When you're doing a romantic scene and you're

00:53:39.860 --> 00:53:43.280
making out with a chick, are you not like getting

00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.659
a boner? Like, how does that work out? Because

00:53:45.659 --> 00:53:49.429
I feel like, you know, it's just natural. progression

00:53:49.429 --> 00:53:51.429
for that to happen. You know, you're making out

00:53:51.429 --> 00:53:56.409
with somebody who's you're attracted to. I know

00:53:56.409 --> 00:53:59.690
Howard Stern said that when he did the love scene

00:53:59.690 --> 00:54:02.170
in his movie, that he was always aroused by a

00:54:02.170 --> 00:54:04.170
screen partner. Yeah. I think he might be one

00:54:04.170 --> 00:54:06.429
of the few cats you'll actually hear say that

00:54:06.429 --> 00:54:09.670
most people will say that it's, it's a little

00:54:09.670 --> 00:54:13.710
uncomfortable and in traditional filmmaking.

00:54:14.170 --> 00:54:16.750
At least hollywood filmmaking with unions and

00:54:16.750 --> 00:54:18.610
everything involved they actually have what's

00:54:18.610 --> 00:54:21.670
called an intimacy coordinator i don't know if

00:54:21.670 --> 00:54:23.889
this is always been a thing or if this was like

00:54:23.889 --> 00:54:26.469
born out of the me to error but when we were

00:54:26.469 --> 00:54:28.670
doing the love scenes everybody kept making jokes

00:54:28.670 --> 00:54:30.469
about how we don't have an intimacy coordinator

00:54:30.469 --> 00:54:33.449
i don't know if the director always used to refer

00:54:33.449 --> 00:54:35.519
to the actors and tell them. how he wants it

00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:38.119
to go down. But today they will actually have

00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:40.320
somebody be like, your hand goes here. Then it

00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:42.539
goes down her waist and then you'll kiss here,

00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:44.460
but you won't kiss there because that's a breach

00:54:44.460 --> 00:54:47.099
of contract. I've not had to deal with that yet,

00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.679
but no love scenes are kind of like doing anything

00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:53.619
else. You pretend that you're really there and

00:54:53.619 --> 00:54:56.619
that you're really in the moment. No, it is not

00:54:56.619 --> 00:54:59.400
arousing. I've yet to have, I've yet to have

00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:01.320
a love scene, but in the, in the next movie,

00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:03.800
there's rumors of me having a on camera girlfriend.

00:55:04.219 --> 00:55:07.599
I just want to do the casting for it. Logistically,

00:55:07.820 --> 00:55:10.139
you just logistically, you just want it. You

00:55:10.139 --> 00:55:11.780
just want it to be correct. So even though we

00:55:11.780 --> 00:55:14.820
didn't have an intimacy coordinator, uh, I'm

00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:16.840
I'm directing and then I have another director.

00:55:16.980 --> 00:55:18.940
So we had two directors on the film and we know

00:55:18.940 --> 00:55:21.139
how we want the scene to go down. So like one

00:55:21.139 --> 00:55:23.679
love scene, I kiss the girl and then I throw

00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:25.940
her over my shoulder and I like carry her in

00:55:25.940 --> 00:55:27.840
the house and kind of like a sexy come home to

00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:29.360
your woman. Can't wait to get in bed kind of

00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:32.739
way. And all the focus is just on getting it

00:55:32.739 --> 00:55:34.199
logistically correct because it's like I got

00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:35.780
to pull her and then there's the kiss and then

00:55:35.780 --> 00:55:37.559
there's the action of throwing her over my shoulder.

00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:40.039
The one funny thing about making movies with

00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:43.820
your friends and family is I, it was a closed

00:55:43.820 --> 00:55:46.179
mouth kiss, but I actually scared the shit out

00:55:46.179 --> 00:55:47.840
of the actors when I pulled her in for the first

00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:51.360
kiss because I did it in a semi kind of like

00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:52.960
aggressive, like, you know, can't wait to get

00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.219
my woman in bed kind of way. Sure. And I told

00:55:55.219 --> 00:55:56.920
her that's how I was going to do it, but I think

00:55:56.920 --> 00:55:58.519
she thought it was going to be a little softer.

00:55:58.659 --> 00:56:00.679
It's still a closed mouth kiss, but the action

00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:03.559
of I pulled her in close to me and her arm went

00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:06.159
up. Like, like she was like scared and it was

00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:08.739
like his, and then everybody in the crew just

00:56:08.739 --> 00:56:10.980
laughed at me. And this is where I feel like

00:56:10.980 --> 00:56:13.239
you were actually a diva. Like anybody else would

00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.019
have walked off the set. I just laughed it off

00:56:16.019 --> 00:56:20.510
and we kept going with it, but. I've, yeah, no,

00:56:20.690 --> 00:56:22.510
honestly, no, most of the time you're just trying

00:56:22.510 --> 00:56:24.849
to make sure that it goes right. If, if your

00:56:24.849 --> 00:56:27.869
screen partner. allows you to feel into it. If

00:56:27.869 --> 00:56:31.110
it's a super intimate scene, she'll help create

00:56:31.110 --> 00:56:33.829
that energy with you before the cameras roll.

00:56:33.869 --> 00:56:36.409
And I had that experience on the first film where

00:56:36.409 --> 00:56:38.429
she was like, where she was like, let's be a

00:56:38.429 --> 00:56:41.230
little bit more lovey dovey before the cameras

00:56:41.230 --> 00:56:43.349
roll so that it feels natural. And if you get

00:56:43.349 --> 00:56:45.349
that, that's great. If you have somebody that's

00:56:45.349 --> 00:56:47.309
like, I'm in character while we're doing the

00:56:47.309 --> 00:56:49.829
love scene. And when we're not in character,

00:56:49.909 --> 00:56:51.809
get the fuck out of my face. You respect that

00:56:51.809 --> 00:56:54.690
also. It's a, it's, it's the same thing. Let

00:56:54.690 --> 00:56:57.030
me ask you this. How deep does your acting go?

00:56:57.210 --> 00:56:59.570
Like, have you ever seen, uh, six feet under?

00:57:00.989 --> 00:57:03.909
Who's in six feet under? Uh, the dude that's

00:57:03.909 --> 00:57:08.250
in Dexter, Michael C. Hall, I think. I've seen

00:57:08.250 --> 00:57:12.269
Dexter. Okay. So that dude who's Dexter, he plays,

00:57:12.269 --> 00:57:15.530
um, a brother who's closeted in six feet. You

00:57:15.530 --> 00:57:16.849
guys should watch. It's a great show. There's

00:57:16.849 --> 00:57:18.869
like five seasons. It's fucking really, really

00:57:18.869 --> 00:57:21.909
good show, but he's gay as fuck during, you know,

00:57:21.909 --> 00:57:24.539
in the show. and I thought he was just a gay

00:57:24.539 --> 00:57:27.619
actor because of the scenes kind of got a little

00:57:27.619 --> 00:57:29.480
like much dude where like I had to turn away

00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:31.519
I'm like oh my god these dudes are butt -fucking

00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:35.579
in front of me you know um but that's why how

00:57:35.579 --> 00:57:38.400
deep is your act did you play a role where you

00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.199
got to like be with the dude and like could you

00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:46.260
make that look real if the money's right yes

00:57:46.260 --> 00:57:49.369
good answer Money changes lots, lots of things.

00:57:49.570 --> 00:57:51.670
No, to be honest with you, no, I'm not, I'm,

00:57:51.869 --> 00:57:54.530
I'm not a chameleon. I try to play characters

00:57:54.530 --> 00:57:57.449
that are aspects of me and I can step out of

00:57:57.449 --> 00:58:00.110
myself a little bit. All actors are a little

00:58:00.110 --> 00:58:03.030
bit crazy. Thankfully I'm not like of the craziest

00:58:03.030 --> 00:58:06.150
variety. Like most of them, most actors that

00:58:06.150 --> 00:58:07.929
are like bred in an acting school. Can you guys

00:58:07.929 --> 00:58:10.829
not talk off camera? Sorry. Most actors that

00:58:10.829 --> 00:58:13.050
are like bred in an acting school since they're

00:58:13.050 --> 00:58:16.739
a kid are very like odd and weird and usually

00:58:16.739 --> 00:58:18.699
mean personalities, and that's why they can be

00:58:18.699 --> 00:58:21.760
really difficult to work with. My craziness was

00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:25.019
that usually narcissists, too. Usually. Yeah.

00:58:25.539 --> 00:58:28.039
No, definitely. I don't have the narcissistic

00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:30.519
angle because you actually have to put me in

00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:33.059
2000 theaters for me to believe I'm the shit.

00:58:33.059 --> 00:58:34.719
Until then, I'm not going to walk around like

00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:37.239
a couple of films that fucking only so many people

00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:39.179
give a fuck about. And that's what keeps me humble.

00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:43.429
But my weirdness about stretches out to the fact

00:58:43.429 --> 00:58:45.409
that like I could jump into a scene at any moment.

00:58:45.550 --> 00:58:47.289
I always carry myself with a certain intensity,

00:58:47.289 --> 00:58:49.889
but I always play characters that are somewhat

00:58:49.889 --> 00:58:52.070
me kind of like the way Stallone does. That's

00:58:52.070 --> 00:58:53.849
how I write for myself because I write all my

00:58:53.849 --> 00:58:56.809
characters. It would be really, really difficult

00:58:56.809 --> 00:59:01.889
for me to play a gay character because I'm so

00:59:01.889 --> 00:59:06.710
into women. I have no life experience for like

00:59:06.710 --> 00:59:09.849
looking at a dude like that. If you're making

00:59:09.849 --> 00:59:12.630
out with a dude on camera, like and you'd seem

00:59:12.630 --> 00:59:15.289
like you're like you have to like to me personally,

00:59:15.429 --> 00:59:17.269
if you guys wrote a scene and like, all right,

00:59:17.329 --> 00:59:19.510
John, you got to make out with this dude. I'd

00:59:19.510 --> 00:59:21.809
be like, I'll try it, but it's going to come

00:59:21.809 --> 00:59:23.750
across very bad because I'm going to be like,

00:59:23.789 --> 00:59:25.989
you know, I'm not going to be into it. Like I'm

00:59:25.989 --> 00:59:28.989
going to be kind of grossed out. You know what

00:59:28.989 --> 00:59:32.250
I'm saying? Not that I feel that I would do a

00:59:32.250 --> 00:59:34.769
comedy where I played like a gay character if

00:59:34.769 --> 00:59:37.199
it was like. comedic and I didn't have to kiss

00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:39.079
nobody. Did Jake Gyllenhaal get some backlash

00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:42.119
for Brokeback Mellon? I mean, he got a little,

00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:44.820
but it actually, I think, shot him to superstardom

00:59:44.820 --> 00:59:48.079
him in. Yeah. Well, all of, maybe, I don't know,

00:59:48.179 --> 00:59:50.179
all of Hollywood's kind of like half gay anyways,

00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:52.239
right? So it's not really hard for them to like,

00:59:52.340 --> 00:59:55.260
they can like explore themselves in that way.

00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:58.239
And, uh, no, I wouldn't be opposed to playing

00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:00.699
a gay character, but like, if it was like a comedy

01:00:00.699 --> 01:00:02.719
and I didn't have to do the physical stuff, if

01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:05.519
it was, if you're talking about, you want to

01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:07.599
talk about like broke back mountain, you need

01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:10.320
cats like the dudes that did it because, um,

01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:13.800
You have to put yourself in a, in a place where

01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:16.539
you believe what's happening when you're an actor.

01:00:16.739 --> 01:00:20.659
So if you can't take yourself seriously, believing

01:00:20.659 --> 01:00:22.860
that you're the act, the, the character that

01:00:22.860 --> 01:00:25.579
you're trying to be, and you have no reference

01:00:25.579 --> 01:00:28.059
for it, that's where my acting limits end because

01:00:28.059 --> 01:00:31.059
I can't. see myself is, I don't know if I can

01:00:31.059 --> 01:00:33.840
see myself as like, let alone a gay character,

01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:37.099
like a fucking wizard or even I tell people all

01:00:37.099 --> 01:00:38.579
the time, I haven't broke so long. I couldn't

01:00:38.579 --> 01:00:40.880
imagine myself playing like a rich pompous asshole.

01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:42.980
I'm like, where am I going to pull my life experience

01:00:42.980 --> 01:00:46.519
from, you know, in that respect? Sure. And like

01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:49.119
for some roles, like you would research certain

01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:51.019
things. So like, if you're going to play a fighter

01:00:51.019 --> 01:00:52.599
or, you know, something like that, you would

01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:55.559
take some fighting classes or some MMA training

01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:57.980
or whatever, but like, If you're going to play

01:00:57.980 --> 01:00:59.679
that type of role, you probably have to embed

01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:02.900
yourself in that culture. And then, you know,

01:01:02.900 --> 01:01:06.280
it gets shady. Yeah. You always bring an aspect

01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.579
of real life to it. Like, even when I do like

01:01:08.579 --> 01:01:11.900
the, the comedy action series where I'm Saboho,

01:01:11.900 --> 01:01:13.940
I always treat like you was just talking about,

01:01:14.139 --> 01:01:15.980
like, like violence on screen. Anytime there's

01:01:15.980 --> 01:01:19.460
like a fight that's about to break out. I, I

01:01:19.460 --> 01:01:23.000
bring how I, how I react to conflict into that,

01:01:23.059 --> 01:01:24.800
which is like, if a fight's about to break out,

01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:26.889
there's always like a moment of like. Fuck. All

01:01:26.889 --> 01:01:28.210
right. Like, you know, it's going to go down,

01:01:28.250 --> 01:01:30.769
but you, you wish you didn't have to fight. Um,

01:01:30.989 --> 01:01:34.150
that's a little bit different from fucking Tom

01:01:34.150 --> 01:01:36.269
Cruise, who's also my height. And if he's about

01:01:36.269 --> 01:01:37.849
to get in a fight in a movie, he's like, all

01:01:37.849 --> 01:01:39.230
right, there's one or two ways it's going to

01:01:39.230 --> 01:01:41.070
go down. I can fuck up you and your crew, or

01:01:41.070 --> 01:01:43.449
I could fuck up these guys. And it's like, it's

01:01:43.449 --> 01:01:46.590
like no anticipation of the fact that you might

01:01:46.590 --> 01:01:49.230
actually lose the fight. Yeah. You're drilling.

01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:52.260
Not pump your fucking just calm, cool collect.

01:01:52.619 --> 01:01:54.519
And yeah, I like, I like it to be real. Like

01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:56.059
I wouldn't back down from a fight, but I'm not

01:01:56.059 --> 01:01:57.599
going to be thrilled that I have to fight. And

01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.340
that's, that's a little bit more realistic that

01:01:59.340 --> 01:02:01.119
it's like, I'm not going to back down, but I'm

01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:03.559
also not going to fucking even like, I love expendables

01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:06.139
movies and Jason Statham movies, but even, even

01:02:06.139 --> 01:02:09.659
him stepping to six dudes with Absolute confidence

01:02:09.659 --> 01:02:12.679
has never been my favorite way of going about

01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:15.039
action. That you're just such a goddamn professional

01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.440
that you don't think even up against six dudes,

01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:19.219
you might get fucked up. No, you might get fucked

01:02:19.219 --> 01:02:21.340
up. You should show that a little bit that you're

01:02:21.340 --> 01:02:24.190
not afraid to take on that fight. but not have

01:02:24.190 --> 01:02:25.710
the ultimate confidence. Like, yeah, I could

01:02:25.710 --> 01:02:27.489
take on six dudes because I've been trained in

01:02:27.489 --> 01:02:29.329
martial arts. You got fucked up on the scene

01:02:29.329 --> 01:02:30.989
from Sabah. Oh, you went right to the hospital.

01:02:31.050 --> 01:02:32.369
Oh, and then that's the other thing. Every fight

01:02:32.369 --> 01:02:34.150
scene I do, I wind up in the hospital anyways.

01:02:34.230 --> 01:02:36.210
Yeah. And in the opener, too, he actually he

01:02:36.210 --> 01:02:38.030
was supposed to get a fake punch to the face.

01:02:38.050 --> 01:02:40.849
He actually got jawed. I get I get the shit beat

01:02:40.849 --> 01:02:42.570
out of me in every movie. That was at Toad's

01:02:42.570 --> 01:02:44.289
place. Chad played that. I was in the dressing

01:02:44.289 --> 01:02:48.150
room. Yes, Dave. Brian lent us the room. I'm

01:02:48.150 --> 01:02:50.030
like, I need your help. And that was the scene.

01:02:50.210 --> 01:02:53.730
So it was very cool. Well, at least you got the

01:02:53.730 --> 01:02:56.190
punch to, to look real because it was real. So

01:02:56.190 --> 01:02:59.309
that, that kind of helps. I have to. Yeah. I

01:02:59.309 --> 01:03:01.130
don't, I don't, I don't like disconnecting punches

01:03:01.130 --> 01:03:02.710
and usually I'm the only one that's willing to

01:03:02.710 --> 01:03:04.309
be hit and it's my money and I want to protect

01:03:04.309 --> 01:03:06.309
my investments. I'm like, fine. Fucking heavy

01:03:06.309 --> 01:03:09.550
swing away. There was just, there was one bad

01:03:09.550 --> 01:03:11.329
night though, when we did, when we did save a

01:03:11.329 --> 01:03:14.420
hoe to that, that was bad. Yeah. When we did

01:03:14.420 --> 01:03:17.000
save a whole two, that was bad because, uh, I,

01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:19.219
I took a real punch that I didn't feel until

01:03:19.219 --> 01:03:21.599
the next day. It hurt the next day, but on set,

01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:23.039
I was like, okay, adrenaline's going, that's

01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:24.980
fine. But then they had to throw me through a

01:03:24.980 --> 01:03:27.280
table and everybody told me not to do it. But

01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:29.519
I'm like, I want something that's like a little

01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:31.599
bit more theatrical than just taking a punch

01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:34.320
to the face. So they threw me through the table

01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:37.260
and my shoulder dislocated in such an odd way

01:03:37.260 --> 01:03:40.360
that I couldn't put it back in and everybody

01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:42.000
thinks they know how to put a shoulder back in.

01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:44.280
So I'm like, dying in there, like grabbing my

01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:45.340
arm. They're trying to put it up here. They're

01:03:45.340 --> 01:03:46.599
trying to put it there. I'm like, you're supposed

01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:48.599
to do it like this. And that wouldn't do it.

01:03:48.980 --> 01:03:51.920
And if you let a joint hang out of its damn socket

01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:55.960
too long, there's like a light stimulating pain

01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:59.280
that if you don't, if you don't get that relocated,

01:03:59.780 --> 01:04:04.400
it sort of, it kind of overstimulates you to

01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:06.760
the point where it's like a light stimulating

01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:09.880
pain where anyway, I don't know how to describe

01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:12.840
it, but I went unconscious. And then I'm like

01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:15.480
unconscious and I'm leading the thing. So I'm

01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:17.739
the, I'm the director. Now the director's out

01:04:17.739 --> 01:04:20.079
and uh, I don't know what the fuck they did while

01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:21.699
I was unconscious. But by the time I woke up,

01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:23.260
it took me a minute to remember that I was on

01:04:23.260 --> 01:04:24.539
set and they were like, we're done. We're wrapped.

01:04:24.659 --> 01:04:25.860
We're taking you to the hospital scene, which

01:04:25.860 --> 01:04:28.670
is the beauty of it. No, we did. We had to once

01:04:28.670 --> 01:04:30.469
we didn't get to finish it until a week later

01:04:30.469 --> 01:04:32.329
because I fucking I'm directing the fucking thing

01:04:32.329 --> 01:04:34.449
and I basically went unconscious for like five

01:04:34.449 --> 01:04:36.690
hours. I think there's something like cool about

01:04:36.690 --> 01:04:38.909
like a creative who has to like who gets injured

01:04:38.909 --> 01:04:41.050
like Tom Cruise did a scene where he's jumping

01:04:41.050 --> 01:04:43.110
to one building to another and he broke his foot

01:04:43.110 --> 01:04:45.929
and still ran off. And then Dave Grohl, when

01:04:45.929 --> 01:04:48.409
he fell off stage or something, he heard himself

01:04:48.409 --> 01:04:51.150
on stage, still finished the show with actually

01:04:51.150 --> 01:04:53.150
did not finish the show, but he came back and

01:04:53.150 --> 01:04:55.750
did it in a chair. OK, yeah. Oh, in the same

01:04:55.750 --> 01:04:58.380
set. Well, he went to the hospital. These guys

01:04:58.380 --> 01:05:00.179
probably know the story, but he came back and

01:05:00.179 --> 01:05:02.320
did the rest of the show sitting in a chair with

01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:04.360
his leg. He had his work competing for that way.

01:05:04.489 --> 01:05:06.650
He had his orthopedic surgeon come out and sing.

01:05:06.869 --> 01:05:08.869
Didn't he borrow a chair from Axel Rose when

01:05:08.869 --> 01:05:10.730
Axel broke his fucking ankle or something like

01:05:10.730 --> 01:05:12.530
that? Probably. This thing went all the way out

01:05:12.530 --> 01:05:15.469
to the center runway, which was pretty bad ass.

01:05:15.889 --> 01:05:17.889
Well, everybody's in a chair these days now,

01:05:17.949 --> 01:05:20.389
right? Axel Rose, Phil Collins, Peter Frampton

01:05:20.389 --> 01:05:23.170
going on. Mick Jagger. Mick Jagger is fucking

01:05:23.170 --> 01:05:26.130
running around on stage doing backflips. God

01:05:26.130 --> 01:05:30.269
bless him, man. I aspire to age that way. Hey,

01:05:30.349 --> 01:05:32.650
there was a scene, too, in rerouting. where you

01:05:32.650 --> 01:05:34.269
cut your, you had your finger in the door and

01:05:34.269 --> 01:05:35.670
they slammed the door on you kept filming. I

01:05:35.670 --> 01:05:37.690
only got lightly fucked up on rerouting. They

01:05:37.690 --> 01:05:40.530
were arresting me and the police were dragging

01:05:40.530 --> 01:05:42.670
me out of the car and they slammed my hand in

01:05:42.670 --> 01:05:45.769
the door and then my shoulder went out on one

01:05:45.769 --> 01:05:48.690
action scene. I think that was about that though.

01:05:48.690 --> 01:05:50.570
I was pretty much. Okay. We got a little fucked

01:05:50.570 --> 01:05:52.550
up on rerouting Rocky's girlfriend. We had to

01:05:52.550 --> 01:05:54.230
throw her in a, you know, throw her in a trunk

01:05:54.230 --> 01:05:56.289
and that was one take because they threw her

01:05:56.289 --> 01:05:58.690
in the trunk and her, her leg caught like a piece

01:05:58.690 --> 01:06:00.909
of metal on the trunk and gashed her. She's got

01:06:00.909 --> 01:06:03.380
a permanent scar from that. Shit, I think everybody

01:06:03.380 --> 01:06:06.019
else was okay. Rocky's girl is the hot chick.

01:06:06.019 --> 01:06:08.079
That's in the back That's like talking to the

01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:10.159
guy like hey, are you where are we going? This

01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:13.070
doesn't seem like the route? Yeah, that's Caroline

01:06:13.070 --> 01:06:17.429
McNabolia. And she was also our assistant director

01:06:17.429 --> 01:06:20.409
and dog crate too. She was, yeah, she's our assistant

01:06:20.409 --> 01:06:22.369
director and producer and she's a supporting

01:06:22.369 --> 01:06:24.070
character. She's great. Cause that was all her

01:06:24.070 --> 01:06:26.090
first time doing it. And she just absorbed it.

01:06:26.090 --> 01:06:28.050
Cause we had a different assistant director on

01:06:28.050 --> 01:06:30.110
the first shoot and she just watched how she

01:06:30.110 --> 01:06:31.750
did it. And then we didn't have an AD for a second

01:06:31.750 --> 01:06:33.449
shoot and she was the AD on the second shoot.

01:06:33.690 --> 01:06:35.250
So yeah, I'm really proud of her for everything

01:06:35.250 --> 01:06:37.730
she does. Hell yeah. Putting yourself out there

01:06:37.730 --> 01:06:40.190
like that too is for the first time. I mean,

01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:42.079
You're saying that was her first acting role.

01:06:43.019 --> 01:06:45.139
Yeah. And she was, she was great. I think she

01:06:45.139 --> 01:06:48.059
just played off of all of us. If you'll, I'll

01:06:48.059 --> 01:06:50.699
send you a couple of scenes, but we try to be

01:06:50.699 --> 01:06:54.139
naturalistic and try not to be overly performative.

01:06:54.179 --> 01:06:56.340
Cause you notice how sitcom acting is different

01:06:56.340 --> 01:06:58.960
from movie acting for sure. Even movie acting

01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:01.360
can be overly performative, but a sitcom is a

01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:04.039
prime example of, you know, you don't actually

01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:07.119
believe that anybody on Seinfeld talks the way

01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:10.219
they do, but you subconsciously take it in. Yeah,

01:07:10.219 --> 01:07:12.900
but you subconsciously take it in and are still

01:07:12.900 --> 01:07:15.760
invested because you know, the kind of media

01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:18.099
you're consuming that it's basically like a stage

01:07:18.099 --> 01:07:20.500
show. Right. And that's that style of acting.

01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:23.219
Right. We try to take it a step further, even

01:07:23.219 --> 01:07:25.820
though certain film performances can be overly

01:07:25.820 --> 01:07:27.639
performative and everything is like pizzazz and

01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:29.920
it's on and it's like, look at me and it's, you

01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.860
know, uh, Oh, what's the, the, the perfect snapping

01:07:32.860 --> 01:07:34.420
scene to go along with that. It's like, I gotta

01:07:34.420 --> 01:07:37.320
be on my toes where I need to be like, nice.

01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:40.320
But we try to just, talk to each other the way

01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.239
people talk to each other. Like there's not a

01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:45.420
camera on us. Right. Which is a lot easier said

01:07:45.420 --> 01:07:48.000
than done. I mean, but you know, you guys nailed

01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.420
it, especially for her being her first acting

01:07:50.420 --> 01:07:52.960
role. I guess you just were able to get the vibe

01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:55.639
on the scene, correct? Because, you know, everybody

01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:58.559
in there seems like legit as fuck. Like I wouldn't

01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:00.760
be able to tell the difference between that or

01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:03.559
some, you know, somebody else in a Tom Cruise

01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:07.179
movie. I mean, you know, I don't want to act

01:08:07.179 --> 01:08:08.639
like I'm blowing smoke of your ass, but it's

01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:10.639
a fucking, we watched it with on your dad's show

01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:12.900
and everybody's feedback that I got just like,

01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:16.279
wow, that's a fucking independent film. Uh, cause

01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:19.159
it comes across like it's, you know, big, bigger

01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:22.119
budget and the acting is great, which you don't,

01:08:22.140 --> 01:08:23.479
I mean, I'm not going to say you don't get it

01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:26.359
in any independent film, but it's not often.

01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:28.960
Like a lot of times you'll watch something. You

01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:31.319
know, Kevin's always good with Kevin writes all

01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:33.060
the scripts, so he's always good with writing

01:08:33.060 --> 01:08:36.119
scripts based around his actors personalities

01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:38.220
and then writing for his brothers comes pretty

01:08:38.220 --> 01:08:41.319
easily. This is the first time that like I played

01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:43.199
a character who's because I'm more of the rowdy

01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:46.060
rambunctious one. So I kind of played more of

01:08:46.060 --> 01:08:49.060
a stiff this one and I got tattoos on me and

01:08:49.060 --> 01:08:51.420
I had to go sit in there. I know Pete Davidson

01:08:51.420 --> 01:08:53.399
says when he does filming, he hates he wants

01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:55.000
to get rid of his tattoos because he hates sitting

01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:57.779
in the makeup chair. So I had to cover up all

01:08:57.779 --> 01:08:59.930
my tattoos. because nerds don't really have tattoos

01:08:59.930 --> 01:09:02.609
and it was, it was a good time. I know everybody

01:09:02.609 --> 01:09:05.229
better than they know themselves. And that's

01:09:05.229 --> 01:09:08.090
how I write them into movies sometimes. So he

01:09:08.090 --> 01:09:10.369
doesn't realize he comes off like such a worrywart

01:09:10.369 --> 01:09:11.989
when he complains about his problems. But I haven't

01:09:11.989 --> 01:09:14.270
had to listen to like 10 ,000 plus hours of it.

01:09:14.270 --> 01:09:18.229
And then I wrote him a character that just like

01:09:18.229 --> 01:09:22.090
is always spilling his guts. And I wrote a really,

01:09:22.090 --> 01:09:23.590
really funny scenario. That's actually something

01:09:23.590 --> 01:09:26.399
that happened in my life, but I have him. iterated

01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:30.039
the way he would. And, um, and he did really,

01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:33.939
really well with that. So you get real, um, kind

01:09:33.939 --> 01:09:37.380
of, um, psycho analysis when you're writing characters

01:09:37.380 --> 01:09:39.180
for people, cause you're, you're actually diving

01:09:39.180 --> 01:09:41.300
into their personality as you're writing the

01:09:41.300 --> 01:09:43.600
character for them, which is kind of cool. Yeah.

01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:46.520
I pay attention to people and I also try to be

01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:51.699
realistic about what they can pull off and everybody's

01:09:51.699 --> 01:09:53.760
got a side of themselves that they're going to

01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:55.899
be able to show a little bit more comfortably

01:09:55.899 --> 01:09:58.960
or a little bit more naturally. So I pay attention

01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:01.460
to people to try to observe what that might be.

01:10:01.579 --> 01:10:03.720
And I try not to put anybody in a role that's

01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:06.439
too much or too little for them. I love it. And

01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:09.859
I'm able to do that easily with my brothers and

01:10:09.859 --> 01:10:12.119
the close, talented friends that we have. I mean,

01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:16.300
everybody in it, everybody in the movie is Talented

01:10:16.300 --> 01:10:19.100
as fuck. They really, really are. I couldn't

01:10:19.100 --> 01:10:21.920
be more blessed to work with the people that

01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:24.699
I work with, for sure. Like, everyone brings

01:10:24.699 --> 01:10:26.079
something really special to the table. Sorry,

01:10:26.180 --> 01:10:28.720
what's up, Chad? I've heard that about a lot

01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:31.619
of actors, that they're great observers of people

01:10:31.619 --> 01:10:35.460
in general. Like, they are very good at observing

01:10:35.460 --> 01:10:37.720
people. I guess you wouldn't call, I don't know,

01:10:38.100 --> 01:10:39.520
like, extended people watching, whatever, but

01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:42.170
they're good. just observing people and picking

01:10:42.170 --> 01:10:44.270
up their traits or their, their, their ticks

01:10:44.270 --> 01:10:46.130
or whatever. And so, I mean, it makes sense.

01:10:46.409 --> 01:10:50.949
What you're saying. Yeah. The best people watchers

01:10:50.949 --> 01:10:53.090
and people watching is the best. Like I'm not,

01:10:53.409 --> 01:10:55.630
I don't, I don't do it often, but there's a time

01:10:55.630 --> 01:10:58.090
where like, I'll go into a place to eat by myself.

01:10:58.090 --> 01:11:00.270
I'm just sat up in a corner. I'm just watching

01:11:00.270 --> 01:11:02.810
this family just like completely implode at the

01:11:02.810 --> 01:11:04.689
table. And I'm like, this is fucking, this is

01:11:04.689 --> 01:11:06.550
cool right here about the watch. Yeah. Yeah.

01:11:06.609 --> 01:11:09.569
I'd get mad at mom and the kids fucking. pulling,

01:11:09.569 --> 01:11:12.649
you know, the tablecloth off and shit like I

01:11:12.649 --> 01:11:16.350
get. I get funny with it. Hey, Rocky's got it.

01:11:16.350 --> 01:11:18.229
Rocky's got to step out and let him sit in my

01:11:18.229 --> 01:11:20.489
chair and say goodbye to you guys and maybe talk

01:11:20.489 --> 01:11:26.409
about the line. Yeah, good to see you guys as

01:11:26.409 --> 01:11:28.390
always. While the two of the three of us are

01:11:28.390 --> 01:11:29.670
tied up, I got some work I had to handle for

01:11:29.670 --> 01:11:31.369
us, so I will be out. But yeah, enjoy the show,

01:11:31.409 --> 01:11:33.750
guys. Good to see you. Thanks. Thanks for being

01:11:33.750 --> 01:11:35.310
on, man. Appreciate it. Thanks, brother. Nobody

01:11:35.310 --> 01:11:38.130
else. All right. Later. Later. Appreciate all

01:11:38.130 --> 01:11:42.560
your. Keep it up. Keep it up. So when's the last

01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.220
time you guys went to a concert or an outdoor

01:11:45.220 --> 01:11:47.399
show or something like that? To be honest with

01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:50.600
you, I'm done going to concerts. I've seen everybody

01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:53.520
that I wanted to see and we always have shit

01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:55.239
going on. Like right now it's hard to even make

01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:56.579
it through this podcast because everybody in

01:11:56.579 --> 01:11:58.640
the room is doing 12 things at once. Ross got

01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:00.939
to go do stuff for our NFT project. We have to

01:12:00.939 --> 01:12:03.119
prep for our talk show, which goes live at seven

01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:04.600
o 'clock. So we have to do a three hour prep

01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:07.119
for that. We're in between writing different

01:12:07.119 --> 01:12:09.460
movies and then usually summer is production

01:12:09.460 --> 01:12:11.039
time, which is when all the best concerts are

01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:12.899
coming around. Then everybody that comes to town,

01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:15.760
I've seen a million times. So I really, really

01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:18.539
don't like being dragged out of state. dad hates

01:12:18.539 --> 01:12:20.239
that cause he wants to see as many bands as he

01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:23.739
could see. But I, I'm kinda, I've kind of said,

01:12:23.899 --> 01:12:25.979
I've seen everybody I want to see. And also when

01:12:25.979 --> 01:12:27.920
it comes to rock and roll, I'm kind of like a

01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.880
50 year old man in the respect of there's, there's

01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:34.220
no, there's no good new rock. People hate that

01:12:34.220 --> 01:12:35.600
mindset because they're like, no, it's out there.

01:12:35.699 --> 01:12:37.699
You just got to look for it. And I'm sorry. I'm

01:12:37.699 --> 01:12:40.079
just very closed minded. Like I like, I usually

01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:42.500
like the guys from the eighties. And to be quite

01:12:42.500 --> 01:12:45.420
frank with you, live is damn near the only band

01:12:45.420 --> 01:12:48.000
that I like from the nineties. I am really not

01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:51.239
into nineties. Like live to me is a unique sound

01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:56.079
and Ed. had a different voice from fucking everybody

01:12:56.079 --> 01:12:58.520
in the nineties, which are close minded as I

01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:01.159
am. I'm going to say that everybody had the same

01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:03.399
voice in the nineties. It sounded like, do you

01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:04.699
remember that scene from Ted where he's like,

01:13:04.899 --> 01:13:06.399
this is how everybody sounded in the nineties.

01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:09.260
And he kind of does like a Pearl Pearl Jam. Exactly.

01:13:09.619 --> 01:13:11.760
So that's, that's one of the things that I loved

01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:13.859
about live. They had like a very different sound

01:13:13.859 --> 01:13:18.159
from what as close minded as it sounds, a lot

01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:19.859
of eighties guys always said to that. I kind

01:13:19.859 --> 01:13:21.380
of know what the fuck happened in the nineties.

01:13:21.619 --> 01:13:24.619
Eighties was, you know, pizzazz and fun and sexy.

01:13:24.779 --> 01:13:28.539
And nineties got like dreary and and dark and

01:13:28.539 --> 01:13:31.420
deep. And because I've never struck me that way.

01:13:31.539 --> 01:13:34.000
That's why I love life so much. Don't you dare,

01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:37.300
Chad, is a nineties band. I mean, OK, I got to

01:13:37.300 --> 01:13:40.399
disagree just for one second here because I listen

01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:42.880
to the eighties, but it's fucking glitz and glam.

01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:46.020
There's no grit fucking. rock stars are wearing

01:13:46.020 --> 01:13:49.560
neon fucking tights and, you know, hairs out

01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:52.260
to here. And it just seemed all fake and not

01:13:52.260 --> 01:13:56.260
real. Like, uh, David Lee Roth fucking wish they

01:13:56.260 --> 01:13:58.779
all could be like, it's like, come on. I didn't

01:13:58.779 --> 01:14:01.539
say David Lee Roth. He's a hard guy to take seriously.

01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:04.859
He's really a hard guy to take seriously. David

01:14:04.859 --> 01:14:11.159
Lee Roth seems nuts. He seems like, yeah, I've

01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:13.840
always been team Sammy Hagar because he seems

01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:16.420
so normal. Yeah, I took Mark to a few shows.

01:14:16.659 --> 01:14:18.939
Mark, then we go. We were at Virginia Beach and

01:14:18.939 --> 01:14:21.899
we saw live. It was like 110 degrees. Yeah, I

01:14:21.899 --> 01:14:24.340
remember. I don't know. I can't remember the

01:14:24.340 --> 01:14:26.119
venue, but I remember the first time I ever seen

01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:28.180
live was somewhere down south. Do you remember

01:14:28.180 --> 01:14:30.840
that show we went to? It was like. Those are

01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:33.880
during my fuzzy years. Yeah, I was so young.

01:14:34.020 --> 01:14:36.119
I don't remember. I think I've seen them twice

01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:38.840
or three times maybe. Yeah. And then one was

01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:41.859
at Jones Beach. And then a few months later,

01:14:41.979 --> 01:14:45.100
we had my dad show at the Bijou Theater. And

01:14:45.100 --> 01:14:47.500
then Ed was in the crowd. So that was cool to

01:14:47.500 --> 01:14:50.069
see him at Jones Beach. And then, um, see him

01:14:50.069 --> 01:14:51.829
at our show, right? Yeah. No, that was cool.

01:14:51.850 --> 01:14:54.210
But I took Mark also, uh, on the road a little

01:14:54.210 --> 01:14:56.510
bit with shine down. Uh, I'm kind of close with

01:14:56.510 --> 01:14:58.970
those guys and I was just with them last Friday.

01:14:59.149 --> 01:15:01.090
Actually you've done shows with them, right?

01:15:01.210 --> 01:15:04.390
Chad. I think we've done one or two shows. Maybe

01:15:04.390 --> 01:15:07.449
a festival somewhere. I'm not a big festival

01:15:07.449 --> 01:15:09.250
fan. I don't know about, I'm not a big shine

01:15:09.250 --> 01:15:13.180
down fan to them. To me, they're like, is good

01:15:13.180 --> 01:15:16.859
as it gets for more recent bands. But I like

01:15:16.859 --> 01:15:18.859
that glitz and glamour, man. I like, I like the

01:15:18.859 --> 01:15:20.619
eighties. The eighties made you feel good. The

01:15:20.619 --> 01:15:23.779
eighties. I'm not making love to a Pearl Jam

01:15:23.779 --> 01:15:27.720
record. I'm not. I got a lot of people say this

01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:30.359
and I think fucking Creed ruined it for Pearl

01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:33.220
Jam because he's really in that register. Eddie

01:15:33.220 --> 01:15:35.520
Vedder could go all over the place. He's a lot

01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:38.500
of times in that register, but that motherfuckers

01:15:38.500 --> 01:15:41.640
got range, dude. I'm an asshole, man. I'm very

01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:43.020
closed minded when it comes to shit like this.

01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:45.000
I'd say Creed ruined it for Pearl Jam and then

01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:47.439
Pearl Jam ruined it for the nineties. I really,

01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:49.899
I really do feel that way. But, but look at what

01:15:49.899 --> 01:15:51.600
I'm saying. Like, you know how many live records

01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:53.720
make you feel like pumped up and make you feel

01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.920
good. It's not like a bunch of dreary shit. And

01:15:56.920 --> 01:16:00.720
there's a lot of that 90 stuff. Um, I know the

01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:04.380
emo like It wasn't, but it was really emotional

01:16:04.380 --> 01:16:06.699
what they were. Yeah. Listen, I'm just, I'm just

01:16:06.699 --> 01:16:11.340
being myself. Don't make me feel good. For the

01:16:11.340 --> 01:16:15.800
90s, I would never be a musician because back

01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:17.520
in the day when my oldest brother was playing

01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:19.460
in bands, if you didn't sound like Robert Plant

01:16:19.460 --> 01:16:22.100
or Steven Tyler, you couldn't be in a cover band.

01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:24.079
So I felt bad for those singers. And then the

01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:25.840
90s came around and we were one of the first

01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:28.819
to do Pearl Jam Nirvana type of stuff with the

01:16:28.819 --> 01:16:31.560
deeper voice singers. And I think it opened up

01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:35.010
the doors for a lot of people, I'm sure. There's

01:16:35.010 --> 01:16:37.449
only one newer band that I like it called Royal

01:16:37.449 --> 01:16:41.050
Blood or English. I love Royal Bloods. Yeah.

01:16:41.649 --> 01:16:44.090
That's the newest thing that I like. I heard

01:16:44.090 --> 01:16:47.210
about them through they did the Entourage movie

01:16:47.210 --> 01:16:49.390
and there's the opening scene of them on the

01:16:49.390 --> 01:16:50.909
on the boat and it's coming up the water and

01:16:50.909 --> 01:16:52.729
they got that was them. Yeah, they got the song

01:16:52.729 --> 01:16:55.310
figure it out playing and that's Royal Blood.

01:16:56.189 --> 01:16:59.170
That's Royal Blood. Yeah. I love to see them

01:16:59.170 --> 01:17:01.789
live. What do you think of Twenty One Pilots?

01:17:01.810 --> 01:17:05.340
Do you like them? I'm not familiar enough with

01:17:05.340 --> 01:17:08.039
them to say whether I like them or not. You could

01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:12.800
probably play me a song. They were a packed show

01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:16.760
of two guys on stage. I was blown away. The way

01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:19.420
I heard about 21 Pilots was, and I probably have

01:17:19.420 --> 01:17:21.199
heard their song but didn't associate with the

01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:24.399
name, but my viral security guard named Tom Ra

01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:27.579
who worked with us in like 2000s and stuff, he

01:17:27.579 --> 01:17:29.920
now owns his own security. company and they,

01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:32.319
he does like Metallica, Robert plant, like his

01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:34.920
personal guys, Robert plant, but he has a whole,

01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:37.520
you know, whole company and they were doing a

01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:40.039
21 pilots arena tour. I'm like, these guys are

01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:41.600
doing fucking arenas. Like I've never even heard

01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:43.399
of them. They were calling out to install our

01:17:43.399 --> 01:17:45.600
arena tour. That's why I say I'm like an old

01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:47.199
man. Generally, anybody you're going to tell

01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:49.079
me are selling out arenas or selling big hit

01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:52.439
records. I'm like, I'm like, who? Yeah. I'm like,

01:17:52.539 --> 01:17:55.420
who? Now I know who 21 pilots are, but um, They

01:17:55.420 --> 01:17:57.180
blew up quick cause I took Mark to see him at

01:17:57.180 --> 01:17:58.579
the Oakdale theater and next thing you know,

01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:02.319
they're doing Madison square art. The fact that

01:18:02.319 --> 01:18:05.000
Taylor Swift is the biggest touring act ever

01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:07.300
just shows you like the wrong direction music

01:18:07.300 --> 01:18:10.119
is going. Well also, and then the other thing

01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:13.859
is there, there really is something about the

01:18:13.859 --> 01:18:16.659
eighties and there's something about my dad's

01:18:16.659 --> 01:18:18.800
generation of entertainment where none of them

01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:21.720
went anywhere. None. Really most of them didn't

01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:24.279
go anywhere. Now a lot of the nineties acts What

01:18:24.279 --> 01:18:25.960
do you mean by that, Kev? What do you mean? Like

01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:28.100
they didn't go, like they just, well, well, this

01:18:28.100 --> 01:18:30.859
is what's interesting about what we call relevancy

01:18:30.859 --> 01:18:35.340
in the States. Deaf leopard sold out every arena

01:18:35.340 --> 01:18:38.020
you could think of this past year and they're

01:18:38.020 --> 01:18:40.739
considered irrelevant. Yeah. I mean, they're

01:18:40.739 --> 01:18:43.140
not considered a relevant band now only in the

01:18:43.140 --> 01:18:45.800
fucking States with the way we determine what

01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:49.000
is hot and what is not. Could you be fucking

01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:52.960
60? Selling out in arena, but you're not relevant

01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:56.119
because you don't have a big hit record or Taylor

01:18:56.119 --> 01:18:59.020
Swift is the shit when you could be, you've been

01:18:59.020 --> 01:19:00.819
selling out arenas your whole career and you're

01:19:00.819 --> 01:19:03.159
now 60 and you're still doing it. That doesn't

01:19:03.159 --> 01:19:04.800
connect to me. And from what I understand, and

01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:06.060
Chad, maybe you could tell me a little bit about

01:19:06.060 --> 01:19:07.859
this too, because you've torn and you've toured

01:19:07.859 --> 01:19:10.140
in Europe. From what I understand Europe does

01:19:10.140 --> 01:19:13.960
not have that same attitude about about entertainment

01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:16.479
that like it doesn't matter if your peak was

01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:18.640
the eighties or the nineties. If you had big

01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:20.739
hit records, you go over to Europe. They're like,

01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:23.119
yeah, you're obviously still relevant. You guys

01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:25.699
are those guys. Whereas in Europe, it's the whole

01:19:25.699 --> 01:19:27.539
rest of the world. Like you said, it's that is

01:19:27.539 --> 01:19:29.960
specific to the United States. And hold up. I

01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:30.779
don't know if you're going to say something,

01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:33.159
but and then the other thing it seems about the

01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:35.680
rest of the world is bands aren't able to play.

01:19:36.289 --> 01:19:38.970
Go, go deep into their catalog in the States.

01:19:39.130 --> 01:19:40.729
But when they get outside the States, they could

01:19:40.729 --> 01:19:42.850
play the B sides. They could, they could play

01:19:42.850 --> 01:19:44.970
the lesser known hits, right? But in the States,

01:19:45.310 --> 01:19:47.010
there's that stereotype. That's like, Oh fuck,

01:19:47.069 --> 01:19:49.069
we got to do those same fucking six songs that

01:19:49.069 --> 01:19:50.729
that's all the American audience will tolerate.

01:19:51.350 --> 01:19:53.170
International audiences. They, they're just so

01:19:53.170 --> 01:19:56.569
much more like, I don't know, into music in general.

01:19:56.949 --> 01:19:58.909
So that's why you can have a festival with like,

01:19:58.909 --> 01:20:00.930
you know, festivals in Europe or it was like,

01:20:00.989 --> 01:20:03.449
I collected all these different fucking bands.

01:20:04.050 --> 01:20:07.239
Like you've never like. crazy european shit you've

01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:11.220
never heard of rap rock pop are all in the same

01:20:11.220 --> 01:20:13.340
bill that's pretty wild when you go over there

01:20:13.340 --> 01:20:15.960
yeah some of those festivals yeah this is just

01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:17.699
what i've noticed from observation but i even

01:20:17.699 --> 01:20:19.479
got a friend that i went to school with that

01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:22.920
plays drums in a band that nobody knows about

01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:25.560
but in europe they're in front of like fucking

01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:29.779
100 000 people wow yeah that's amazing look at

01:20:29.779 --> 01:20:32.159
alter bridge alter bridge is huge outside of

01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:35.659
david hasselhoff Yeah, it's huge in Germany.

01:20:37.180 --> 01:20:40.460
Yeah, Alter Bridge. Yeah, they Alter Bridge like

01:20:40.460 --> 01:20:43.000
we we tore them and we were in Europe a couple

01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:44.619
of times and they were doing really well over

01:20:44.619 --> 01:20:47.159
there. I don't think they do crazy numbers here

01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:49.310
in the States, right? No, they play clubs here,

01:20:49.390 --> 01:20:51.430
you know, like the Oakdale and stuff and not

01:20:51.430 --> 01:20:53.909
even the full theater. So it's just like when

01:20:53.909 --> 01:20:55.789
Iron Maiden would tour, they would love doing,

01:20:55.909 --> 01:20:57.970
you know, they had one point they didn't like

01:20:57.970 --> 01:21:00.109
playing the United States at all. And I kind

01:21:00.109 --> 01:21:02.270
of understood after a while. And that's another

01:21:02.270 --> 01:21:05.869
reason I don't go to see shows anymore is because

01:21:05.869 --> 01:21:08.130
seeing shows in the states, I'm not traveling

01:21:08.130 --> 01:21:10.069
outside the states to see a show. I'm not traveling

01:21:10.069 --> 01:21:12.869
outside this state to see a show. I just I got

01:21:12.869 --> 01:21:16.130
too much going on. But I know I'm not going to

01:21:16.130 --> 01:21:20.729
get the the songs that I want to hear because

01:21:20.729 --> 01:21:23.649
most bands are waiting until their tour dates

01:21:23.649 --> 01:21:26.550
outside the States to revamp their set and do

01:21:26.550 --> 01:21:29.109
the B sides and do the shit that real music listeners

01:21:29.109 --> 01:21:31.170
love. And basically what I've come to understand

01:21:31.170 --> 01:21:36.689
is that music nerds are the real fans and then

01:21:36.689 --> 01:21:40.420
casual listeners. Like no two songs from every

01:21:40.420 --> 01:21:43.180
band. That's why I hate the radio. You know,

01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:45.960
I want to, if I want to ask the local radio station

01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:48.359
here, I'm like, when Neil Peart died, did you

01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:50.840
guys honor the legacy of a man that wrote 20

01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:53.439
records by playing Tom Sawyer twice in the same

01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:58.760
hour? And this is like radio and whatever the

01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:01.079
kids think is hot is what determines a lot of

01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:02.680
times, like what these bands are going to go

01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:07.159
out and perform. What should be considered a

01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:09.960
true music fan is really like a music nerd. And

01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:11.939
what I've come to understand is like my dad and

01:22:11.939 --> 01:22:14.560
I can talk about every live record, every rush

01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:17.039
record, every Def Leppard record, like every

01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:19.680
record from every catalog of every band we love.

01:22:20.180 --> 01:22:23.180
And I didn't realize that that was kind of nerdier

01:22:23.180 --> 01:22:26.270
than it is what it means to be a true Casual

01:22:26.270 --> 01:22:28.810
music listener, because then go talk to somebody

01:22:28.810 --> 01:22:31.149
that says they like rush and all they know is

01:22:31.149 --> 01:22:33.289
Tom Sawyer or go talk to somebody that says they

01:22:33.289 --> 01:22:35.369
love deaf leopard just because they know fucking

01:22:35.369 --> 01:22:37.890
pour some sugar on me. Yeah. And then I learned

01:22:37.890 --> 01:22:39.850
that I'm a nerd. I'm like, Oh fuck. I'm a nerd.

01:22:40.909 --> 01:22:43.909
Well, I think, I think just cause you have a

01:22:43.909 --> 01:22:46.689
deep appreciation and feeling towards something

01:22:46.689 --> 01:22:49.010
that the stigmata is that you're a nerd, but

01:22:49.010 --> 01:22:50.529
I don't think that's the case. It's just, you're

01:22:50.529 --> 01:22:53.560
passionate about certain things. Uh, I'll give

01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:55.779
credit here, even though I shouldn't big bang

01:22:55.779 --> 01:22:58.739
theory kind of made the nerd no longer nerdy,

01:22:58.939 --> 01:23:01.600
which is all right. I'll give it to him for that.

01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:04.899
Um, you know, great writing on that show though.

01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:06.960
Great writing, but have you ever heard them do

01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:08.760
the scenes without the laughing track, dude,

01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:11.020
you're like sitting there and you don't catch

01:23:11.020 --> 01:23:13.760
the laugh. Like I didn't realize how much the

01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:16.819
laughing track. Cues you to say that that's funny.

01:23:16.819 --> 01:23:21.060
Yeah. Well, it's popularized to be nerdy these

01:23:21.060 --> 01:23:25.539
days, but everybody that's nerdy about something,

01:23:25.539 --> 01:23:27.119
you know, because the true definition of a nerd

01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:29.579
is just to be super enthusiastic about one given

01:23:29.579 --> 01:23:33.500
thing. They can, they can still only really geek

01:23:33.500 --> 01:23:37.539
out with their community. Whereas then there's

01:23:37.539 --> 01:23:40.220
things that are more universally geeked out about,

01:23:40.340 --> 01:23:42.460
like, I don't know, Marvel movies, but generally

01:23:42.460 --> 01:23:45.350
like I'm a deaf leopard nerd. I can only talk

01:23:45.350 --> 01:23:47.590
about, you know, the record that came out after

01:23:47.590 --> 01:23:49.890
hysteria with other deaf leopard nerds with a

01:23:49.890 --> 01:23:51.369
casual music listener. They're like, yeah, I

01:23:51.369 --> 01:23:53.069
know the same three songs. Everybody else knows.

01:23:53.810 --> 01:23:57.050
Yeah. Understood. Um, gentlemen, you know how

01:23:57.050 --> 01:23:59.390
I do this. You guys were great guests. We're

01:23:59.390 --> 01:24:02.069
going to have you guys on again. Um, whether

01:24:02.069 --> 01:24:05.510
it's, uh, Rocky Sabo, whether it's, uh, Kevin,

01:24:05.750 --> 01:24:08.670
Steve, you know, uh, who's the, what was your

01:24:08.670 --> 01:24:11.699
name? Mark. Mark. Yes, sir. Yeah. Uh, we were

01:24:11.699 --> 01:24:13.180
definitely going to have you guys on again. I

01:24:13.180 --> 01:24:16.039
just always like to leave the audience wanting

01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:19.220
more. So I always kind of abruptly end the conversation.

01:24:19.220 --> 01:24:21.979
So we do have you guys back. It's not like, Oh,

01:24:21.979 --> 01:24:23.520
these guys again. No, they want to hear what

01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:27.220
the you're fine. Um, I want to say, dude, I'm,

01:24:27.220 --> 01:24:29.500
I'm, uh, impressed by all the stuff you guys

01:24:29.500 --> 01:24:32.800
do. Uh, what is your live talk show that you

01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:34.479
have going on tonight? Why don't you tell the

01:24:34.479 --> 01:24:36.100
audience about that and maybe get some people

01:24:36.100 --> 01:24:38.500
to check it out. Oh, that's on our channel. Savo

01:24:38.500 --> 01:24:42.600
streams. We just sort of, uh, dating slash analysis

01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:44.779
of how fucked up the youth is in our culture

01:24:44.779 --> 01:24:47.640
these days conversation. I might check that out.

01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:50.060
Yeah. Yeah. You guys, but I listen to a little

01:24:50.060 --> 01:24:52.319
bit of the beginning of the program. Like you

01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:54.560
guys know how socially fucked up 20 year olds

01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:58.619
are. So we all kind of sit around and we're like

01:24:58.619 --> 01:25:00.779
the self aware ones that like our generation

01:25:00.779 --> 01:25:02.479
is fucked up and we sit around with everybody

01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:04.649
that that seems to think we're doing just fine.

01:25:05.090 --> 01:25:06.850
And we kind of just have this open conversation

01:25:06.850 --> 01:25:08.329
where I'm like, did you guys notice that like

01:25:08.329 --> 01:25:10.409
in this age group, like we're all kind of socially

01:25:10.409 --> 01:25:12.869
fucked up and misled and everything we do doesn't

01:25:12.869 --> 01:25:14.189
really work. Cause we don't really know how to

01:25:14.189 --> 01:25:16.109
do it. How do you guys feel about that? And sometimes

01:25:16.109 --> 01:25:18.189
people are, sometimes people are confused or

01:25:18.189 --> 01:25:19.649
sometimes you get folks that are a little bit

01:25:19.649 --> 01:25:20.890
more on the same page as us. And they're like,

01:25:20.890 --> 01:25:23.090
yeah, I have noticed that like we've been really,

01:25:23.090 --> 01:25:25.810
really misled and that nothing that we do works.

01:25:26.090 --> 01:25:29.090
And it's this sort of a open forum conversation

01:25:29.090 --> 01:25:31.750
about it. And we do that seven o 'clock Eastern

01:25:31.750 --> 01:25:34.829
time. every Tuesday night on our channel, Savo

01:25:34.829 --> 01:25:37.350
Streams. Savo Streams. I like that you're doing

01:25:37.350 --> 01:25:41.109
that because it's introspective, but it's also

01:25:41.109 --> 01:25:43.109
like, you know, people are living in their own

01:25:43.109 --> 01:25:45.909
bubbles. Whereas if you want to believe everything

01:25:45.909 --> 01:25:47.609
you're hearing from left or right, you could

01:25:47.609 --> 01:25:49.550
just get in an echo chamber and that's all you

01:25:49.550 --> 01:25:51.609
hear. So it's good that you're shining light

01:25:51.609 --> 01:25:53.909
on that stuff and trying to bring awareness because

01:25:53.909 --> 01:25:56.569
that's the worst thing, man. You know, people

01:25:56.569 --> 01:25:59.649
are wrong for so long that they can't admit it

01:25:59.649 --> 01:26:01.609
and then come back and say, okay, well I fucked

01:26:01.609 --> 01:26:03.390
up there. This is actually how it should have

01:26:03.390 --> 01:26:05.529
went. Like we were talking earlier, people taking

01:26:05.529 --> 01:26:08.069
the fourth booster, like, are you fucking crazy,

01:26:08.130 --> 01:26:10.350
dude? Like you're just willing to kill yourself

01:26:10.350 --> 01:26:12.590
because you've been wrong for this long. Like,

01:26:12.729 --> 01:26:15.189
come on. So I like doing that. Yeah, it's tough

01:26:15.189 --> 01:26:16.949
real quick before you let me go. Since you guys

01:26:16.949 --> 01:26:18.850
are such, you guys sound like pretty hardcore

01:26:18.850 --> 01:26:20.489
conservatives. So do you guys know who Jesse

01:26:20.489 --> 01:26:24.949
Lee Peterson is? Yes, I expect you to. He's the

01:26:24.949 --> 01:26:28.090
funny old black pastor that really, really bugs

01:26:28.090 --> 01:26:32.609
people. He fucking kills people. That's awesome.

01:26:33.850 --> 01:26:35.970
He's a real, he's a real good friend of the show.

01:26:36.090 --> 01:26:38.630
And we did a movie with him last year. Oh, really?

01:26:38.930 --> 01:26:40.850
Yeah. I'll chat. I'll send you my episode with

01:26:40.850 --> 01:26:43.770
him. He's a real, you know, the funniest thing

01:26:43.770 --> 01:26:47.109
about these flashy hardcore gotcha moment conservatives

01:26:47.109 --> 01:26:49.920
and shit. Some of them are like the most down

01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:52.859
to earth spiritually rooted people in the world.

01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:56.560
And that dude has pissed off everybody that's

01:26:56.560 --> 01:26:59.220
ever been on his talk show. And, and, um, you

01:26:59.220 --> 01:27:00.720
know, a portion of the black community hates

01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:02.579
him for what he says and the gay community hates

01:27:02.579 --> 01:27:04.579
him for what he says. Everybody like mad at that

01:27:04.579 --> 01:27:06.859
dude, just for being humorous and talking about

01:27:06.859 --> 01:27:08.779
how fucked up we are. And it's really from a

01:27:08.779 --> 01:27:11.880
point of stoicism and Christianity really, because

01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:15.579
he's a preacher and weeds did two days on a movie

01:27:15.579 --> 01:27:17.859
with him. And that dude just comes to town and

01:27:17.859 --> 01:27:20.100
just talks to us like we're, you know, like,

01:27:20.140 --> 01:27:21.819
like a grandfather talking to kids. All right.

01:27:21.899 --> 01:27:23.880
Just like you guys need to be good to each other.

01:27:24.100 --> 01:27:25.460
You need to forgive your parents for anything

01:27:25.460 --> 01:27:27.420
they ever fucked up. You need to learn how to

01:27:27.420 --> 01:27:30.960
forgive and how to live life and let life live.

01:27:31.239 --> 01:27:33.239
And it's just, it's amazing. Sometimes some of

01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:34.680
the shit that goes on behind the scenes that

01:27:34.680 --> 01:27:36.420
you'd be surprised that some of the flashier

01:27:36.420 --> 01:27:38.180
characters are like, it all comes from a moral

01:27:38.180 --> 01:27:42.359
place sometimes. Yeah, let's leave it there.

01:27:42.420 --> 01:27:44.720
I'm going to check out this Jesse Lee Peterson

01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:47.279
fella. You will, you will have a field day. Oh,

01:27:47.359 --> 01:27:50.140
you'll love them, dude. It's rock on rock. Tears

01:27:50.140 --> 01:27:54.359
people up. I love it. Oh, in a very calm way.

01:27:54.739 --> 01:27:57.640
Yeah. That's the way to do it. Come there and

01:27:57.640 --> 01:27:59.699
collect. All right, gentlemen, anything you want

01:27:59.699 --> 01:28:02.300
to tell the audience before we let you go? Not

01:28:02.300 --> 01:28:03.880
just that I'm going to follow chat on Instagram.

01:28:04.220 --> 01:28:07.479
You promote cool. Everybody, everybody follow

01:28:07.479 --> 01:28:10.140
chat on Instagram and please go check out everything

01:28:10.140 --> 01:28:14.159
the Sable brothers do. I'm really into it. Again,

01:28:14.180 --> 01:28:15.579
these guys are going to be long time guests.

01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:19.220
Anybody want to plug anything before they go?

01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:21.100
Well, you can check out my YouTube channel. It's

01:28:21.100 --> 01:28:23.199
any behind the scenes footage of what the Sevo

01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:24.819
brothers are up to. Behind the scenes footage

01:28:24.819 --> 01:28:27.420
of bloopers and, you know, movie premieres, everything.

01:28:27.659 --> 01:28:29.479
It's all vlog oriented. So you guys get to see

01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:31.439
the behind the scenes of the Sevos. True. And

01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:34.399
what's that channel called? Sevo Vlogs. Sevo

01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:37.060
Vlogs. You heard it here on the gracious two.

01:28:37.140 --> 01:28:39.800
Thank you so much, Sevo brothers and father.

01:28:40.220 --> 01:28:42.539
Be good. Thank you for having us. Thank you guys.

01:28:42.619 --> 01:28:44.840
Appreciate it. Thanks for the care. Take care,

01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:48.159
boys. Yes, sir. All right, Chad. That was another

01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:50.720
fun one we had there. I mean, we could we could

01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:52.140
go all day with those guys. They're just they're

01:28:52.140 --> 01:28:56.399
just great. I love the younger generation, you

01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:59.220
know, seeing the problems that we have and trying

01:28:59.220 --> 01:29:01.579
to work it out and stuff like that. I do want

01:29:01.579 --> 01:29:05.720
to say one thing while, you know, because the

01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:07.100
word conservative has been thrown around here.

01:29:07.279 --> 01:29:09.539
I really don't have an affiliation to anybody.

01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:12.359
I just have an affiliation to, to, to fucking

01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:15.539
what's wrong and what's right. And it just seems

01:29:15.539 --> 01:29:20.399
that, you know, my being lied to and, and trying

01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:23.340
to put somebody in jail for shit just makes me

01:29:23.340 --> 01:29:27.420
not, I'm not for that. So, um, where, where is

01:29:27.420 --> 01:29:29.939
I'm all for abortion. I'm all for, but so I'm

01:29:29.939 --> 01:29:33.119
not conservative. I'm not Democrat. I'm literally

01:29:33.119 --> 01:29:37.149
run of the road middle guy. And I, You know,

01:29:37.369 --> 01:29:39.810
I agree with you. I'm kind of mid, mid groove

01:29:39.810 --> 01:29:42.710
to, I mean, I'd say I'm kind of politically conservative,

01:29:42.850 --> 01:29:45.529
but socially liberal. I mean, like, you want

01:29:45.529 --> 01:29:47.670
to be gay, you want to be trans, like, go ahead,

01:29:47.770 --> 01:29:52.569
go for that. Um, you know, like, so, yeah, anyway,

01:29:53.050 --> 01:29:55.789
I get you. Like, if this was if this was, you

01:29:55.789 --> 01:29:58.649
know, from Kennedy's time to Clinton, I'm a lefty.

01:29:58.649 --> 01:30:00.130
I'm a Democrat. You know what I'm saying? But

01:30:00.130 --> 01:30:02.670
now it's gotten a little wonky where I don't

01:30:02.670 --> 01:30:04.729
feel comfortable saying I'm a Democrat because

01:30:04.729 --> 01:30:08.289
you guys are fucking nuts. Pardon my French.

01:30:09.569 --> 01:30:12.229
But thank you guys for watching. Go check us

01:30:12.229 --> 01:30:15.869
out everywhere. We are at the gracious to we

01:30:15.869 --> 01:30:18.149
will be back again live next week. This was show

01:30:18.149 --> 01:30:23.380
18 Chad 18. Love it. Hey. Thanks everyone, take

01:30:23.380 --> 01:30:25.340
care. Yes, take care.