The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 022 - Don Ryan

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And preparing. Got it. Got it. Setting it up.

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And we are live everywhere, ladies and gentlemen.

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Episode 22, Deuce Deuce. Deuce Deuce. Alive everywhere

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except YouTube because we keep getting banned.

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Yes. So just so the audience knows what's going

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on with that, we're going to start just posting

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shorts to begin with there, shorts and real stuff

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like that. And then down the future, we'll post

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fully edited shows because YouTube is crazy,

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crazy, and they're censoring almost draconian

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censoring ship. where you can't even talk about

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possibilities or ask questions because we mentioned

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on the last show somebody that Chad knows personally

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who worked for the CDC and got into a story about

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him. And it's a true story. And they completely

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gave us our second strike. If we get one more,

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we can no longer post to YouTube. So in order

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to fall in line with them, we're going to just

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do shorts and control what goes there. We'll

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be live on. Instagram, Facebook, Twitch, Twitter,

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and Rumble. So if you want to watch us live,

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ladies and gentlemen, go there. I especially

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recommend Rumble. It's a beautiful platform.

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Twitter, if you like. But, yeah, those will be

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where we're going live from now on. It's pretty

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crazy. I mean, if we were talking about things

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that were complete, wacko job conspiracy theories,

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stating them as fact, I can get it. But, like,

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what we were talking about is actually a department

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in the CDC. Yeah. And what would happen, Chad?

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So in other words, maybe YouTube doesn't know

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about that department. But what happens if we

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produce physical proof about that department?

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Do they still silence us? I think they do. Oh,

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fuck yeah. Absolutely. Why not? It's crazy. I've

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never felt censorship before in America. This

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is the first time personally that I felt it.

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It's weird. Yeah, it's very strange. You can't

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talk about what you want to fucking talk about.

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I mean, you should be able to talk about whatever

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the fuck you want to talk about. Yeah. YouTube

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used to be like that. Definitely, when it first

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started. I've been seeing these old YouTube videos

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of this fucking guy who looks like he's from

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the, like, 90s or something, singing about, like,

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booties and pussies and shit on YouTube. It's

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YouTube videos, really stupid raps. No, I've

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never heard about it. Yeah, right. Well, that's

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what I was saying. While they were building their

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audience, it was like the Wild West, and when

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they were getting everybody to buy into that

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system, it was like, you could post whatever,

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free speech. Now that they got everybody and

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they have a monopoly, now they're controlling

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what is being said on there. Well, Google bought

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them, too. Well, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right.

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Alphabet. They're pairing. Excuse me, Alphabet.

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Yeah, of course. Yeah, you know that better than

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you can see. I'm going to... uh the elephant

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in the room my eye i didn't lose it uh it's still

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there i just have a scratched cornea and a scratched

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eyelid hopefully i gotta wear this for seven

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days and then it's uh and then it's off but it's

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weird dude like uh you know you need both eyes

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ladies and gentlemen trying to walk upstairs

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i'm missing one you want to grab the doorknob

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it's a little further than my hand thinks Exactly.

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I became a pirate is really, but I just don't

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want to tell everybody yet. Yeah. Oh yeah. He

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does. Steve, the pirate. That's right. But yeah,

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we might have to take the podcast into international

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water since we're being censored. So that's why

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I'm going with the pirate already. Yeah. Getting

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wrapped up into that. We got a cool guest coming

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on today, a friend of mine from way back, a great

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musician named Don Ryan. Should be a fun conversation.

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Before we get to that, yo, Chad, I've been kicking

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this around, dude. And I think I came up with

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it on my own. Maybe it was influence. But I think

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that possibly China released COVID to get Trump

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out of office and to kind of get their agenda

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under wraps. I mean, because the only reason,

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like, why are they not investigating the, you

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know, the leak from the lab theory so much? And

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like, so it would seem like if that was the case,

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there would be people on one side of the political

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spectrum that would be all aboard about it. And

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it gets into the depopulation. So they kind of

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get to kill a couple birds with one stone. They

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get to get somebody out of office that has that

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doesn't have China's best interest in heart.

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And they get to depopulize like we know that

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they're trying to do. Yeah, I'm going down that

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rabbit hole. I mean, yeah, it makes a lot of

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sense because the one thing the Democrats couldn't

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get Trump on was the economy. It was fucking

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booming. What shut down the economy? Sorry. What

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family took money from China? Let's think about

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that. Yeah. And then that fucking Hunter Biden

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gets up in front of, I guess he's making that

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speech when he was supposed to be going to Congress

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for a subpoena. Right. And instead he was outside

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making a fucking speech and he's talking about

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how the MAGA right has demonized him. It's like,

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nope, we just got a hold of your laptop and saw

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all the fucked up shit you were doing, dude.

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Right. Yeah, that's not demonizing. But it's

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the MAGA right. Yeah, MAGA, MAGA. Oh boy, it's

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scary. It's funny how you could just spin that

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when we've clearly saw, like, it was your own

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stupidity that got that out there. They weren't

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looking for your laptop. They didn't, you know,

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they wouldn't send a search team out. You were

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fucking high, dumb, brought it to a shop to get

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fixed. The guy, yeah. And then the guy fixing

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it was like, oh, shit, a treasure trove. How

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many former intelligence agents said there was

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Russian disinformation? And people still believe

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these fucking assholes and they still believe

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the MSN and just fucking trips me out, man. What

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does it take to wake up? Like, I just, I mean,

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people that I know personally that have been

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affected by, you know, the vaccine and stuff.

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And some people still in those friend or family

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lines are still getting boosters. Like, I just

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don't understand. Like that, that, that seems

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like you're just like. Crazy to me. They would

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tell you to follow the science, but they don't

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follow the science because the science is telling

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you that it's fucking people up and killing people,

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but that's not the science they want to hear.

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Dude, so this AI shit, are you about AI? Are

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you scared of AI? What are your feelings on it?

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I'm currently indifferent about it. I mean, I

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think it's pretty wild. I mean, I saw that art

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you've been making, putting on fans. I was going

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to ask what you thought of that. Yeah, pretty

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cool. I mean, AI, it's going to have a lot of

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uses. It's going to put a lot of people out of

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work. Whether it becomes a sentient and fucking

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kills us all. Right. I think that's a little

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bit of a stretch, but here's what's going on

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in the meantime already just now. In Hong Kong,

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a big company in Hong Kong got ripped off for

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$25 million by hackers using deepfake AI technology

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where... They recreated the owner's image and

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voice in video and started directing employees

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that had access to bank accounts through video

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chat and shit to transfer the funds. Transfer

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the funds. They got away with $25 million. Wow.

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Is that crazy? That's fucking wild, man. Like

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think about it like this, Chad, say, say your,

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your, your oldest son, like, you know, you get

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a FaceTime from me, dad, I need you to wire me,

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you know, a thousand bucks and blah, blah, blah,

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blah. And you're talking to your son. It's his

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voice, his, you're not going to think twice.

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You know what I'm saying? Like, you'd be like,

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all right, I got you. Blah, blah, blah, blah,

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blah. And boom, money's out. So it's like, people

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got to be aware of this stuff going on. And they're

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saying like ways around it are to ask them to.

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uh move their head a certain way or ask them

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like before you send any money to ask them to

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something personal that only you and your son

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would know like hey you know what um you know

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what did we do last christmas or something so

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personal that that you know that the ai or whatever

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couldn't fake it and lie to you i heard they're

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doing that with audio now they're doing with

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video and audio too it's crazy yeah man literally

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deep fake the video and It's going to get worse.

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Yeah. It's, you know, and that's a big corporation

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that was fooled. Imagine just a grandmother or,

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you know, somebody who's not so versed on technology.

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Oof. You know? Fucking crazy, for sure. That's,

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you know, just one of the things you don't even

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really think about that's going to be useful.

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And here it is. I know I jump all over the place,

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but this is something I wanted to ask you for

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a while. When you guys were doing Secret Samadhi,

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when Live was recording that and stuff, I heard

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that, I don't know if all of you were, but I

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think all of you were in Jamaica at one point,

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and that's where Lakini's Juice was born. I forget,

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Chad Taylor was playing the riff, Ed was out

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on a balcony or something, and just started coming

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up with the lyrics off the bat. Is this story

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ringing true? Is this something I heard way back?

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That's absolutely true, yeah. We wrote most of

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the record in Jamaica. sweet we rented a big

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ass house down there outside of montego bay and

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uh turned the master bedroom which was on the

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second floor into like the the rehearsal room

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slash songwriting room whatever and uh place

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had like full staff it was like nice cook and

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a butler and all this shit so i mean as soon

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as we pulled up to the place there's this you

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know this uh this butler standing there with

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a tray full of rum punch like sweet so anyway

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yeah so yeah chad was upstairs playing that riff

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and then ed heard it and yeah i think we all

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kind of just joined and started fucking pounding

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it out yeah it was cool that is fucking legendary

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man a fucking rock band at the like height of

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their height chilling in jamaica with full service

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just writing badass tunes like that's a picture

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i love to have in my mind man yeah it was it

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was a great time for sure that was fun it was

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a lot of fun to be there how long were you guys

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out there was this something quick was this something

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you spent some time we were there for like three

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weeks perfect yeah did you uh did you venture

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into jamaica or were you just pretty much resort

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bound we were Well, it wasn't a resort. It was

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a private house. Oh, yeah. We would go to a resort

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locally to go, like, to the beach and stuff.

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We would go into Montego Bay here and there.

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Well, Montego Bay is kind of sketchy, so. Sure.

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And then there's parks. All the resorts are really

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nice, but they're, you know, they're cordoned

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off with gates and fences and shit, but, like,

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Montego Bay is kind of sketchy. So we would venture

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into there just to see what, you know, trouble

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we could get into. Well, not being safe, of course.

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Yeah. Not only is Montego Bay sketchy, but all

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of Jamaica is sketchy if you're not, like, in

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a private residence with probably good security

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and stuff like that or on the resorts. Yeah,

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we had a local driver. A driver came with a place

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and a transport, so he knew where to go and what

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to avoid. But I did have the best fucking jerk

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chicken just alongside the road there ever. It

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was, like, amazing. Never found anything like

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it here. I am so happy you said that dude. Cause

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we went, I went there for my honeymoon and you

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are so right. The guys on the car walking around

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jerk chicken, that's the bet. That's better than

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the resort. That's better than anything. Yes.

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He would say stuff like this. You want the hip?

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We got the hip. You want the bump? We got the

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bump. You want the lip? No lip. Little like,

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you know, marketing thing down. And dude, every

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day I would run out like to the gate of the resort

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and just grab his chicken because it was phenomenal.

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The food in Jamaica is just crazy. Fresh, all

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the fruit, seafood, everything is just like boom.

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But man, if you go traveling, you really see

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like the wealth and the poor like right next

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to each other. And just, you know, most of the

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country is poor. Oh, yeah. Like I was saying

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last time when Scott Martinetti guy was on about

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Brazil, like the first time we went there, you're

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in you're in Rio and you look up in the fucking

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hills and it's all the shanties and slums are

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up in the hills and you're down in Rio, which

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is, you know, fairly, fairly safe. And, you know,

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it's a modern city and whatnot. So you see all

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the wealth there. But then you look up in the

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hills, which is completely juxtaposed to like

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the United States, where the hills are occupied

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by the rich people in their fucking big houses

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with their with their views. Right. Down there,

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it's like all the shanties are built up on the

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hillsides. I wonder why. I don't know. That's

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weird. Yeah, because you figure the high ground

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looking down is kind of cool, but they got it

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different. Maybe they know something we don't

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know. Yeah. Had the best copper anions on the

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beach down there the first time we went. What

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was it? The best copper anions. Oh, I don't know

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what that is, but I'm thinking. It's basically

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like a sugar cane alcohol. and then they put

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it on ice with uh lime and sugar mashed up let's

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go i mean no dude so i probably like way back

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in the day but like for the past 10 years i've

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been strictly like a whiskey person because uh

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i a lot of times do keto and there's no sugar

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and shit in in whiskey believe it or not after

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it's still makes sense At least that's what I

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tell my alcoholic self why I just drank. I've

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got no sugar in there, so it's fine. Right, right.

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Dude, you know what I'm thinking? Like, how un

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-American is it? Like, I don't hear anybody saying,

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like... oh, if Joe Biden wins in 2024, I'm moving

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out of America. But I hear a shit ton of people

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saying, if Trump gets into office, you're moving

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out of America. Well, you know what, motherfucker?

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Then you're not American. See, we don't want

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to fucking be you because we stay through the

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thick and thin and we stand up for what we believe.

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So if their morals are that compromised and shit,

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it's like, get the fuck out of here. Their morals

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are not. Their morals aren't compromised. It's

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virtue signaling. They're not going to fucking

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move out. None of them are going to move out.

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Not a one of them. Because I said that last time

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and none of them moved out. All the celebrities.

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I was like, yeah, good riddance to Whoopi Goldberg

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if you want to fucking move out. Go ahead. Get

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out. Bye. But she didn't and she won't. Exactly.

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Paycheck. Exactly. And where was that paycheck

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being stretched further? The last four years

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or the four years before that? I'm pretty sure

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the four years before that until COVID. But hey,

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I'm stupid. I don't know much. But it just blows

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my mind that you could talk like that and you're

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supposed to be an American. Like, isn't the point

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of staying here and being in bed with us and

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going through thick and thin? Like, that's what

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I thought Americans stood for. Not, oh, something

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I don't like, I'm just out to another country.

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That's the whole I know of the left. They don't

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really, they don't love America. They think it's

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a bad place, but yet they won't leave. Because

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they just love to control America. They don't

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actually love the America that the people want.

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They want to control it, exactly. And that's

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why they're flooding the nation with 10 million

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illegal immigrants to get their votes and fucking

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have a one -party power for the rest of the fucking

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decade or whatever. Yeah, you hear Joe saying

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stuff now like, you know, like he wants to make

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it easier for these people over here to get their

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visas and become citizens. Really? Oh, yeah,

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exactly. All of it is coming true. We've been

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saying it for the longest time. It is fucking

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true. You want their votes and you're fucking

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doing everything shady and shitty under the sun

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to get them at the peril of Americans who have

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been starving and dying for some benefits that

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you're offering these illegal people that are

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coming in. It's another. Right, and now they're

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feigning concern about the border. Oh, all of

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a sudden Biden's concerned about the border.

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Oh, okay. Had you left everything in place that

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was left by your predecessor, the Trump word,

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none of this would have happened. So you did

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it on purpose, and we know why, and here everyone

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is, and they're displacing what we were just

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talking about before the show started. They're

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going into the black neighborhoods in these cities

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and taking over their community centers and their

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schools and kicking them all out and saying,

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fuck you. We're letting the illegal stay here.

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I mean, it's just fucking bullshit. It shouldn't

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be doing to anybody, let alone, you know, black

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people who've in these inner cities have it hard

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enough already. And now they're doing this to

00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:40.599
them. And this is what Democrats do to black

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people. That's what they fucking do. And it's

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sad. It's very sad, dude. And it's like, you

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know, whether it's like we spoke about before,

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you know, CIA fucking coming up with crack or

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just. not putting money into these inner cities

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and sending almost $200 billion to Ukraine. Where

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did that money come from, and why the fuck, if

00:18:03.299 --> 00:18:07.039
we had it, was it not being used on us? There's

00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:09.940
a lot of fixing you could do with that type of

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money, and on the homeland where it's needed.

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I don't agree with Russia going over there and

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stuff. I think we should give some aid, but Jesus,

00:18:18.779 --> 00:18:21.220
Christmas, we're financing that entire fucking

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war. It's not like we're... Yeah, it's basically

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their people and their blood off of our dime.

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I mean, that doesn't seem right to me. I understand

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contributing a bit, but not to the detriment

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of our inner cities and where we need help. It's

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going to be interesting to see Tucker's interview

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with Putin. Dude, I think Putin's an evil piece

00:18:49.740 --> 00:18:53.420
of shit, don't get me wrong. In many ways. But

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what he does is he gives the finger to the World

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Economic Forum, to the fucking globalism, all

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that fucking bullshit, which he should because

00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:04.519
he's a sovereign country or he has a sovereign

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nation. But he is an evil piece of shit. Don't

00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:08.400
get me wrong. But it's going to be interesting

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to see what he says to Tucker. Well, here's what

00:19:10.900 --> 00:19:12.579
I was going to say. So he's an evil piece of

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shit. Yes. But it almost seems like he has Russia's.

00:19:17.130 --> 00:19:20.130
best mind and interest and fuck everyone else

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whereas america doesn't have that and we're supposedly

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the good guys and not evil pieces of shit but

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we are not fucking putting america first like

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fucking trump did when he was in office i am

00:19:31.650 --> 00:19:34.769
sorry that dude spoke about it every day not

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only did he speak about it but he put his money

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where his mouth was and started putting tariffs

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on china like I'm just getting fed up with the

00:19:42.690 --> 00:19:45.369
narrative that's bullshit and people buy into

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it. It's just it's starting to blow my mind.

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That's fucking insane. And he did put his money

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where his mouth is. He didn't take a salary for

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four years. Right. Do that. No. Any other president

00:19:56.049 --> 00:19:59.170
ever do that? No. But everyone's like, oh, no,

00:19:59.210 --> 00:20:01.009
he's a fucking he's just a narcissist. He just

00:20:01.009 --> 00:20:04.650
wants power. It's like, wow. I mean, just it's

00:20:04.650 --> 00:20:07.170
Trump. Derenza syndrome is absolutely real. I

00:20:07.170 --> 00:20:10.900
was just watching Bill Maher clips. Because I'm

00:20:10.900 --> 00:20:13.319
a fan of Bill Maher again. Sure. When he starts

00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:15.200
talking about Trump because he's full on Trump

00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:17.180
derangement. It's fucking wild, man. He's an

00:20:17.180 --> 00:20:19.539
idiot. He's a fucking moron. He's insane. He

00:20:19.539 --> 00:20:21.099
wants to nuke a hurricane. I'm like, what the

00:20:21.099 --> 00:20:23.319
fuck are you talking about, man? What are you

00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:25.279
talking about? I love people that call Trump

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stupid and an idiot. It's like, yeah. Are you

00:20:30.299 --> 00:20:34.549
a billionaire? No. And that's the thing. I think

00:20:34.549 --> 00:20:36.930
if you want to talk about the, some of the stuff

00:20:36.930 --> 00:20:38.890
Trump said, okay. And you want to call them stupid

00:20:38.890 --> 00:20:42.349
stuff, but look at the policies and what he did

00:20:42.349 --> 00:20:45.609
in his short time in office. I mean, he was setting

00:20:45.609 --> 00:20:47.509
up treaties with countries left and right. Like

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there was a lot of shit that went down behind

00:20:49.890 --> 00:20:52.529
closed doors that people are just have a blind

00:20:52.529 --> 00:20:56.809
eye to. Right. They don't want to say when he

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came in, he's going to start world war three.

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How can you trust this man with a nuclear weapons?

00:21:01.190 --> 00:21:04.329
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yep. Start of no

00:21:04.329 --> 00:21:07.950
new war. None. I'm going to let in our guest,

00:21:08.250 --> 00:21:11.849
Mr. Donald. Last time I had him on my other show,

00:21:11.890 --> 00:21:14.569
I called him Donald J. Ryan. And it turned out

00:21:14.569 --> 00:21:17.809
that his father's middle name began with a J.

00:21:17.829 --> 00:21:20.430
So it was like a really good guest. Don, what's

00:21:20.430 --> 00:21:25.349
going on? Can you can you see and hear me? Can

00:21:25.349 --> 00:21:29.269
you hear me? Yes, dude. What's up, Don? How are

00:21:29.269 --> 00:21:33.690
you? Hello, Don. Good to meet you. That was Bobby

00:21:33.690 --> 00:21:35.670
Hayes in the background, by the way. He's like

00:21:35.670 --> 00:21:37.869
our mini producer on the show. He pulls up pages

00:21:37.869 --> 00:21:40.490
and stuff and throws out the ideas every now

00:21:40.490 --> 00:21:43.150
and again. How you doing, brother? What's up,

00:21:43.150 --> 00:21:47.309
Bobby? How you doing? Good, good, good. So, Don,

00:21:47.309 --> 00:21:49.490
I'm becoming a pirate. That's what this is all

00:21:49.490 --> 00:21:51.809
about. Now, I explained it earlier. Yeah, R -80,

00:21:51.970 --> 00:21:56.440
man. I'll tell you after the show. So I think

00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:57.940
the last time... After the show? No, no, you

00:21:57.940 --> 00:21:59.619
got to tell me what the fuck happened to your

00:21:59.619 --> 00:22:02.140
eye, dude. It was stupid, dude. I was playing

00:22:02.140 --> 00:22:04.559
basketball, just a finger in the eye, cut cornea,

00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:09.799
cut... Oh, shit. Yeah. So I might be like this

00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:13.440
for a week. I got to go get checked. A week?

00:22:13.460 --> 00:22:15.599
That's it? Well, that's when I got to go get

00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:18.720
checked. We'll see what they say after. I might

00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:21.960
be permanently in a patch. Well, I mean, it's

00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:25.880
a good look. Thank you. Thank you. It covers

00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:29.339
a quarter of my ugly face. So it works. You might

00:22:29.339 --> 00:22:32.839
start a fad. I totally. Yeah. Chad, you got to

00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:34.799
wear one next week, dude. We'll do this. Yeah.

00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:40.740
Yeah. There you go. We make out, we could look

00:22:40.740 --> 00:22:44.579
in each other's eye. I mean, perfect. I was,

00:22:44.579 --> 00:22:47.180
that was going to be the joke. When, when Chad

00:22:47.180 --> 00:22:48.500
asked me what happened, I was gonna say, I was

00:22:48.500 --> 00:22:50.700
blowing a bunch of dudes and one got out of control.

00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:55.019
But I decided not to go there, but go there now.

00:22:56.099 --> 00:22:59.160
I think last time we spoke was like beginning

00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:03.019
of COVID, like right when it had started ish.

00:23:03.019 --> 00:23:06.119
Yeah, we did. We did one then. And then I think

00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:08.440
we did one. Didn't we do one last year? I was

00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:10.539
fucking hammered for that one. Whatever it was.

00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:12.940
All I know is we like argued for four straight

00:23:12.940 --> 00:23:15.539
hours about politics and God knows what was even

00:23:15.539 --> 00:23:20.240
said. I have no, no clear memory of it. Well,

00:23:20.259 --> 00:23:22.519
that was the beauty of it is we both had different

00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:25.039
points of views on what was going on, but it

00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:27.640
wasn't an argument. It was an actual conversation

00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:31.480
and we respected each other's views. We listened

00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:34.859
to what the other said. And I feel like that's

00:23:34.859 --> 00:23:36.839
what's half the problem with the world right

00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:39.359
now is nobody's listening to the other side.

00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:41.259
They're just putting out their point of views

00:23:41.259 --> 00:23:44.460
and not really trying to come to a middle ground.

00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:47.359
Yeah, it's insane, especially like, you know,

00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:51.799
social media. You tend to wind up in these echo

00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:56.680
chambers. I'm basically dead in the center now.

00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.359
So I see my friends on the right, they wind up

00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:02.079
in echo chambers. My friends on the left wind

00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:04.859
up in them. And I have a lot more friends on

00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:08.579
the left. And so I see it a lot more up front.

00:24:08.980 --> 00:24:12.680
And it's fucking gross. It's weird. And there's

00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:15.619
nothing you can really do. In many cases, it's

00:24:15.619 --> 00:24:18.039
very frustrating because I don't know what to

00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:20.660
do to penetrate the bubble for a lot of people

00:24:20.660 --> 00:24:24.779
because social media tends to raise the stakes

00:24:24.779 --> 00:24:27.440
of everything. You wind up putting something

00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:31.539
out there, and if it's criticized, you personally

00:24:31.539 --> 00:24:34.940
feel criticized, not the idea that you put out

00:24:34.940 --> 00:24:37.619
there, which may or may not be stupid or may

00:24:37.619 --> 00:24:41.599
have been intelligent, but you see people when

00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:44.190
they get criticized on social media. immediately

00:24:44.190 --> 00:24:47.569
they take it to heart immediately it's this like

00:24:47.569 --> 00:24:50.710
you're attacking me as a person and not this

00:24:50.710 --> 00:24:52.930
thing that i said that maybe we could consider

00:24:52.930 --> 00:24:55.829
or not whereas you know if you're talking to

00:24:55.829 --> 00:24:58.730
somebody straight away you have to deal with

00:24:58.730 --> 00:25:01.869
them on a human level you can't dismiss them

00:25:01.869 --> 00:25:05.750
or whatever it's it's a weird fucked up time

00:25:06.269 --> 00:25:09.890
It really is. And I've spoke about it with Chad.

00:25:09.970 --> 00:25:11.730
I spoke about it with you. That's where I am

00:25:11.730 --> 00:25:13.890
right now. I'm in the middle. I take some from

00:25:13.890 --> 00:25:15.490
the left. I take some from the right. Whereas

00:25:15.490 --> 00:25:18.750
at one point I was completely on the left, but

00:25:18.750 --> 00:25:21.789
that form of the left is no longer there. It's

00:25:21.789 --> 00:25:23.890
way to the left. Same with the right. Some of

00:25:23.890 --> 00:25:26.150
those crazy right -wingers have brought it way

00:25:26.150 --> 00:25:29.230
far to where we're over here. Like, dude, I agreed

00:25:29.230 --> 00:25:31.029
with some of this shit, but what the fuck are

00:25:31.029 --> 00:25:33.970
you talking about now? Yeah, that's where I am.

00:25:34.910 --> 00:25:37.910
I used to – I know the last couple of times that

00:25:37.910 --> 00:25:42.430
we talked, I considered myself on the left. But

00:25:42.430 --> 00:25:45.930
now – you know what moved the needle for me?

00:25:46.029 --> 00:25:49.789
It didn't move my politics at all. I don't –

00:25:49.789 --> 00:25:52.029
I'm still exactly where I was. I believe the

00:25:52.029 --> 00:25:58.690
same shit. But after 10 -7 and seeing the just

00:25:58.690 --> 00:26:03.549
mountains of hatred just heaped upon the Jewish

00:26:03.549 --> 00:26:07.079
community, from the left right you know these

00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:10.279
are the people who spent the last 10 years calling

00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:14.619
everybody under the sun a nazi yeah and yet these

00:26:14.619 --> 00:26:18.220
are the people who are to my eye are the literal

00:26:18.220 --> 00:26:22.440
actual definition of a nazi screaming the jews

00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:25.200
in the streets and that was the moment that i

00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:30.059
said okay i am even if it's only in in name only

00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:34.660
i am not gonna affiliate myself with this brand

00:26:34.660 --> 00:26:37.700
of of human being i'm just not like i there is

00:26:37.700 --> 00:26:39.359
a line where i'm just going you know what i'm

00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.759
independent center whatever you want to call

00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:45.160
it right but i'm not i'm neither on the right

00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:47.640
or the left and i'm not on the left anymore like

00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.140
and that's something even just a couple of months

00:26:50.140 --> 00:26:53.099
ago i could not have said where i just don't

00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:56.559
want anything to do with it anymore Did you see

00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:00.220
where the heads of certain universities are testifying

00:27:00.220 --> 00:27:03.619
in front of Congress? Especially the woman from

00:27:03.619 --> 00:27:08.819
Harvard. Yeah. Bunny and Gay, the serial plagiarists.

00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.579
Right, yes. That all came out after. But yeah,

00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.099
so she's just sitting up there saying – basically

00:27:14.099 --> 00:27:17.019
we're saying it's not hate speech unless action

00:27:17.019 --> 00:27:19.920
is taken. It's like, well – action being taken

00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.859
with me killing jews so right like actual genocide

00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:24.859
is that what has to happen for you to condemn

00:27:24.859 --> 00:27:29.480
it yeah what really killed me about that whole

00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:32.799
scenario was the hypocrisy because if it was

00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:36.160
just a matter of look we got three heads of the

00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:39.099
universities here who are gonna speak in legal

00:27:39.099 --> 00:27:41.920
terms and give you the formal definition of what

00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:46.279
is uh abuse or harassment on campus okay but

00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:50.509
they for the last 10 years have been policing

00:27:50.509 --> 00:27:54.730
the hell out of microaggressions and silliness,

00:27:54.829 --> 00:28:00.009
absolute trivial bullshit. And then you tee up

00:28:00.009 --> 00:28:03.450
an easy question for them. Like, is it okay to

00:28:03.450 --> 00:28:06.569
call for the extinction of a race on campus?

00:28:06.769 --> 00:28:09.009
And suddenly they have marbles in their mouth.

00:28:09.190 --> 00:28:13.490
It was just fucking appalling, appalling. It

00:28:13.490 --> 00:28:16.009
was, yeah, it was interesting to watch. And I

00:28:16.009 --> 00:28:17.990
kind of thought that this was going to happen

00:28:17.990 --> 00:28:22.730
on 10 -7 when I or I guess it was, you know,

00:28:22.750 --> 00:28:24.890
was it the day after that was the day we got

00:28:24.890 --> 00:28:27.490
the news? Like, I guess it was filtering in.

00:28:27.529 --> 00:28:29.809
I remember it was that Saturday. We just was

00:28:29.809 --> 00:28:32.210
filtering in. Yeah. And I remember thinking.

00:28:33.490 --> 00:28:37.730
We are about to see. Just the full removal of

00:28:37.730 --> 00:28:43.019
a lot of masks and it's going to be. I'm going

00:28:43.019 --> 00:28:45.740
to wind up seeing a blizzard of lies and I'm

00:28:45.740 --> 00:28:48.980
going to wind up leaving the left at this point

00:28:48.980 --> 00:28:51.799
because I'm just not going to be able to deal

00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:56.599
with it anymore. And that's where I am. That

00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:02.279
makes hopefulness out there because if you've

00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.400
been in one party for so long, you kind of start

00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:07.799
putting up with a bunch of shit to kind of align

00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.970
with your party. you know, it's like freshening

00:29:11.970 --> 00:29:13.930
to, to hear. Cause the same thing with me, I

00:29:13.930 --> 00:29:15.250
had to wake up and like, what the fuck? This

00:29:15.250 --> 00:29:17.750
is not the party I fell in love with. So it's

00:29:17.750 --> 00:29:19.529
good that people like, like you're waking up

00:29:19.529 --> 00:29:22.170
and I'm hearing it more and more, but it's just

00:29:22.170 --> 00:29:25.089
like, Chad, were you, were you always kind of

00:29:25.089 --> 00:29:27.230
leaning right? Or is this something as you got

00:29:27.230 --> 00:29:29.809
older or, you know what I'm saying? Cause I don't

00:29:29.809 --> 00:29:31.750
think we've spoken about that. Oh, when I was

00:29:31.750 --> 00:29:34.089
younger, I was more liberal. I mean, I mean,

00:29:34.109 --> 00:29:35.950
you know, the songs we wrote were you are the

00:29:35.950 --> 00:29:38.500
world pieces now, like, you know, We were about

00:29:38.500 --> 00:29:42.799
that then for sure. And then I voted for Obama

00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:47.740
twice. Yep. Was disappointed, especially the

00:29:47.740 --> 00:29:54.319
last time. And then when, when I saw Trump was

00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:56.480
running, I was refreshed because I was like,

00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:59.480
this guy's not a politician. Right. I like what

00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:00.839
he's saying. And, you know, I'm going to vote

00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.720
for him this time. And, and then I, I just, that's

00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:06.720
when I figured out the media was completely fucking.

00:30:07.230 --> 00:30:09.049
bullshit at this point because i still was watching

00:30:09.049 --> 00:30:11.349
cnn all through this when he came down the stairs

00:30:11.349 --> 00:30:14.349
and then after he gave a speech all it was was

00:30:14.349 --> 00:30:17.450
he's racist he said mexicans are all murderers

00:30:17.450 --> 00:30:19.009
and rapists i'm like that's not what he said

00:30:19.009 --> 00:30:21.289
i just watched him fucking on tv what he said

00:30:21.289 --> 00:30:24.089
right he said some of them are but not all of

00:30:24.089 --> 00:30:25.970
them and that's why i was like wow the media

00:30:25.970 --> 00:30:29.049
is fucking lying to me so i was off of cnn msnbc

00:30:29.049 --> 00:30:34.220
right then So, I mean, we we all knew like MSNBC,

00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:38.480
CNN leaned right. We knew Fox. I mean, lean left.

00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:42.000
We knew Fox lean right. But I never really thought

00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.539
that they would be putting out actual lies to

00:30:45.539 --> 00:30:48.059
to change like what we thought. I thought they

00:30:48.059 --> 00:30:50.660
would just report more so and give their biased

00:30:50.660 --> 00:30:53.059
opinion towards the left or or towards the right.

00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:55.440
I didn't think they would actually lie to us

00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:57.920
about certain things. And it's basically a propaganda

00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:01.619
machine. The left is really good at lying by

00:31:01.619 --> 00:31:06.000
omission. That's the trick I've seen. The left

00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:10.740
tends to just give you part of the story. I will

00:31:10.740 --> 00:31:14.400
look at Fox News and I'm like, what Tucker Carlson

00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.299
just said is a fucking lie right there. Whereas

00:31:17.299 --> 00:31:23.180
the left, it's not a lie per se. It's just like,

00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.160
we're just going to give you our side of the

00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:27.420
story and leave the other side out completely.

00:31:28.220 --> 00:31:32.539
to the point that like i now get all of my news

00:31:32.539 --> 00:31:35.319
and people will find fault in this and i say

00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.920
that i get basically all my news from twitter

00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:41.619
at this point and then links to new york times

00:31:41.619 --> 00:31:46.220
and whatnot from twitter but what i find is that

00:31:46.220 --> 00:31:49.859
i'm not very well informed about a lot of things

00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:54.400
sure but i'm very well informed about the things

00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:58.680
i want to understand i can see The full 360,

00:31:59.140 --> 00:32:02.559
I can see what does the far right say about this?

00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:04.599
What does the far left say about this? What do

00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.640
people in the center say about this? And it's

00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:12.000
an unadulterated opinion, unadulterated kind

00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:16.079
of view of what I'm looking at. Whereas if I

00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.440
watch the cable news channels, I know I'm just

00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:20.880
going to – I'd have to whiplash back and forth

00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.059
between MSNBC, Fox News. They're both saying

00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:28.259
the opposite things. It's exhausting. I don't

00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:30.779
watch any news anymore just like you. It's just

00:32:30.779 --> 00:32:33.799
ridiculous. Both sides are propagandized. Both

00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:38.359
sides, for sure. I think the big problem is there's

00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.000
just no actual real fucking journalism anymore,

00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:43.480
especially on those channels. No one actually

00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:45.440
wants to go find the facts. They want to get

00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:47.359
the headline, and they want to get it out fast,

00:32:47.539 --> 00:32:49.980
and if it's wrong, they'll do a retraction, but

00:32:49.980 --> 00:32:53.559
no one ever sees that. That's what's really sad

00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:56.259
about it. There's not as much... You see the

00:32:56.259 --> 00:33:00.220
problem – you can see it happening like just

00:33:00.220 --> 00:33:05.779
this slow -rolling disaster where maybe 10, 15

00:33:05.779 --> 00:33:09.440
years ago, you're going, well, the old model

00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:13.079
for journalism of newspapers, well, that's obviously

00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:18.039
hard copies of newspapers. That's out. And so

00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:21.339
you had the subscription model take place, and

00:33:21.339 --> 00:33:25.859
you have – there's just not as much. money in

00:33:25.859 --> 00:33:29.180
journalism anymore for the actual journalists

00:33:29.180 --> 00:33:32.299
and so you can see well what's the logical outcome

00:33:32.299 --> 00:33:35.019
of this there's going to be worse and worse journalism

00:33:35.019 --> 00:33:39.480
and there is lo and behold there the journalism

00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:42.099
that you're seeing now is yeah there's a lot

00:33:42.099 --> 00:33:46.000
to be desired and there's so much that is narrative

00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.559
driven i'm just i was gonna say the reason why

00:33:50.140 --> 00:33:52.579
journalists pay and stuff is as dropped is because

00:33:52.579 --> 00:33:55.740
people were tired of getting fed lies and actually

00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:58.759
not getting real journalism. So the independent

00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.299
journalists are actually rising through the ranks

00:34:01.299 --> 00:34:03.619
and starting to make some bank because people

00:34:03.619 --> 00:34:05.799
are going to them for their news where they're

00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:08.320
putting out facts and then saying, this is my

00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:10.940
opinion on the fact where that's how news should

00:34:10.940 --> 00:34:13.699
be reported. If you want to have a biased or

00:34:13.699 --> 00:34:16.480
unbiased opinion, tell me the facts first and

00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.719
then tell me your opinion. Don't tell me all

00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:22.639
opinion and switch facts around so it falls into

00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.480
your narrative because then I lost all respect

00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.400
for you and don't believe a fucking word you

00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.659
say. Don Lemon, fucking, you know, the list goes

00:34:28.659 --> 00:34:32.219
on. Yeah, it's tough because like even the New

00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:37.139
York Times, I still say in terms of just hard

00:34:37.139 --> 00:34:41.440
reporting, they're really good. But every page

00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:45.219
is editorialized. Every page is opinion. Every

00:34:45.219 --> 00:34:49.659
article is. there's an opinion slant on it where

00:34:49.659 --> 00:34:52.880
there wasn't before. And again, with the New

00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.940
York Times, you're only getting part of the story

00:34:55.940 --> 00:35:00.719
where when the other side gets in, it's a struggle

00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.480
to get it in. It takes years to get it in. Where

00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.820
like, I don't know if you saw this week, Pamela

00:35:07.820 --> 00:35:10.920
Paul, who's a really good journalist, opinion

00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.320
journalist at the Times, she did a piece about

00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.679
people who detransition. you know transgender

00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:23.420
people who actually people i mean what it's a

00:35:23.420 --> 00:35:26.860
yeah it's it really it's a serious issue that

00:35:26.860 --> 00:35:30.860
i'm seeing you know this one straight from the

00:35:30.860 --> 00:35:34.780
left where it's this is left -wing insanity like

00:35:34.780 --> 00:35:39.920
where they basically barred this message that

00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:44.809
this very important message of look There's this

00:35:44.809 --> 00:35:47.170
other thing over here you have to consider. It

00:35:47.170 --> 00:35:50.489
can't be one size fits all. When somebody comes

00:35:50.489 --> 00:35:53.989
in with gender dysphoria, you have to find out

00:35:53.989 --> 00:35:57.489
who that person is in order to compassionately

00:35:57.489 --> 00:36:01.789
care for them. And just by saying what I just

00:36:01.789 --> 00:36:06.530
said would get you canceled super fast in many

00:36:06.530 --> 00:36:09.750
circles on the left. And that's nuts. That is

00:36:09.750 --> 00:36:14.099
nuts. It's insane. Especially when you start

00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:17.099
pulling at the children. Yeah. That's the thing.

00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.579
I think I said this the last time I was on this

00:36:19.579 --> 00:36:22.619
podcast, which is like, yeah, that's, that's

00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:27.800
the line where now I hope that there's a, that

00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.420
this whole thing is much ado about nothing and

00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:35.880
that there's not the level of, of terror being

00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:40.460
inflicted on children that many people seem to

00:36:40.460 --> 00:36:42.820
think. I hope that that's not the case, of course.

00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:47.199
But if that is the case or any semblance of that

00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:49.900
is the case, it's going to be – the blowback

00:36:49.900 --> 00:36:52.380
from this is going to be enormous, enormous.

00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:54.900
I've been saying that too. It's going to be a

00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:57.139
whole – not a whole generation, but a lot of

00:36:57.139 --> 00:36:59.280
kids in this generation that are going to be

00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:02.900
adults and go, why did you let me – like what

00:37:02.900 --> 00:37:08.059
the fuck happened? It's going to be crazy. And

00:37:08.059 --> 00:37:11.039
it's not compassionate. That's the thing. I have

00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:19.059
a friend who has a trans son. How old is the

00:37:19.059 --> 00:37:27.400
kid? I think 13. Wow. I just hope everything

00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:31.960
goes well. I hope they nailed the problem and

00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:38.099
everything is golden here on out. But the fact

00:37:38.099 --> 00:37:42.400
that I even have any trepidation about it, quite

00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.780
frankly, scares me on behalf of my friend and

00:37:45.780 --> 00:37:49.860
his family. And I don't know the situation. So,

00:37:49.900 --> 00:37:51.800
of course, I have to take their word for it.

00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:56.960
Like, yeah, this is what's happening. But, God,

00:37:57.420 --> 00:38:01.280
if there is any blowback in that family, I'm

00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:05.380
going to take it personally. That's a friend

00:38:05.380 --> 00:38:08.150
of mine and his family. may have been harmed

00:38:08.150 --> 00:38:11.690
by this right i hope that that's not the case

00:38:11.690 --> 00:38:15.110
of course you know you're so impressionable at

00:38:15.110 --> 00:38:18.570
those formative years that if you know you just

00:38:18.570 --> 00:38:21.230
have a feeling like oh i want to try on a girl's

00:38:21.230 --> 00:38:23.889
outfit because it pops in your young stupid brain

00:38:23.889 --> 00:38:26.309
or little brain and then all of a sudden people

00:38:26.309 --> 00:38:28.429
are saying oh well you might want to transition

00:38:28.429 --> 00:38:30.570
and this is the way to do it and then you're

00:38:30.570 --> 00:38:33.239
being told that by adults yeah exactly Man, I

00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.340
wanted to get a tattoo on this. I think it was,

00:38:36.340 --> 00:38:38.699
I wanted to get a cross tattoo on the side of

00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:42.800
my fucking head when I was 13 or 14. Exactly.

00:38:42.980 --> 00:38:45.420
My mom had the good sense to go, if you want

00:38:45.420 --> 00:38:48.699
that in another year, maybe we'll do that. And

00:38:48.699 --> 00:38:51.019
then another year came by, I'm like, ah, that

00:38:51.019 --> 00:38:54.099
was a stupid idea of mine. We'll do interviews

00:38:54.099 --> 00:38:57.059
on the streets with kids in colleges and they'll

00:38:57.059 --> 00:39:01.199
say, can kids get tattoos? No. Can they do drugs?

00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:04.079
No. Can they transition? Absolutely. And you're

00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:08.599
like, wait, what? Permanent changes to their

00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:10.400
freaking physiology, but they can't get a tattoo?

00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:13.280
It's like, wow, the stretch is amazing. Here

00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.800
in California, they are now, if a parent does

00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.360
not affirm the gender of their child, they can

00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:23.800
take the child. That is a law. They will take

00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:26.380
the child. Yes, the state can take the child.

00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:28.739
It's absolutely happening here. Because it's

00:39:28.739 --> 00:39:31.340
a form of child abuse for trying to talk to your

00:39:31.340 --> 00:39:33.800
kid. I know you have these feelings now, but

00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:35.840
maybe in a couple years you won't. Let's revisit

00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.639
this time and time again. That's child abuse,

00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:40.340
and they could take your fucking child because

00:39:40.340 --> 00:39:42.340
you're trying to say, hey, maybe you feel like

00:39:42.340 --> 00:39:44.940
this now, but maybe two years from now you don't.

00:39:45.219 --> 00:39:48.739
While your hormones are growing, let's figure

00:39:48.739 --> 00:39:51.400
this out. You could get your kid taken away for

00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.039
that kind of example. Like, wait, let's just

00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:58.849
hold off on this. Let's hold off on this. We

00:39:58.849 --> 00:40:01.670
don't know yet. Let's see how you feel in a few

00:40:01.670 --> 00:40:07.070
months or a year. Mom didn't call me by my preferred

00:40:07.070 --> 00:40:10.369
pronoun. Yeah, they can report it to the school,

00:40:10.409 --> 00:40:12.570
and the school will take action, or the school

00:40:12.570 --> 00:40:14.389
will have authorities take action to report it

00:40:14.389 --> 00:40:17.000
to the state. Yeah, it's happened. So that was

00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:19.500
vaguely written to where they could kind of use

00:40:19.500 --> 00:40:21.719
it however they see fit for the time. You know

00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:23.579
what I'm saying? It could be as simple as what

00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:26.500
I just said, or it could be to where the child

00:40:26.500 --> 00:40:29.719
is so gung -ho wanting to go from woman to male

00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.460
and you don't allow it, then that becomes where

00:40:32.460 --> 00:40:34.579
they can. But it could be as slippery as them

00:40:34.579 --> 00:40:36.039
just saying, well, listen, I know you feel like

00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:38.300
this now. Let's take it down. It all depends

00:40:38.300 --> 00:40:40.579
on how far they want to press what they're putting

00:40:40.579 --> 00:40:46.530
into our laws. Yeah. Which is not. Yeah, I don't

00:40:46.530 --> 00:40:50.030
know about that case. That's insane. If that's

00:40:50.030 --> 00:40:53.389
the way it is, that you can get your kid taken

00:40:53.389 --> 00:40:58.170
away by not calling them by their pronoun or

00:40:58.170 --> 00:41:01.650
whatever. This whole thing about pronouns is

00:41:01.650 --> 00:41:04.309
just an unfortunate distraction. And you can

00:41:04.309 --> 00:41:10.510
see that this is really the tool of the propagandists

00:41:10.510 --> 00:41:15.460
on kind of either side of this. should not be

00:41:15.460 --> 00:41:18.300
about pronouns. And of course this originated

00:41:18.300 --> 00:41:22.000
with the left, but I've seen the right, you know,

00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.199
take up the, they're not going to let a good

00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.739
crisis go to waste as it were. Absolutely. Yeah.

00:41:28.900 --> 00:41:32.599
Yeah. It's just, that was the one thing that

00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:37.260
I really appreciated about talking to my friend

00:41:37.260 --> 00:41:41.659
and his trend, his trend son, but I never have

00:41:41.659 --> 00:41:44.030
not talked to him yet. I've talked to my friend

00:41:44.030 --> 00:41:48.130
about it, and it's not about pronouns. It's just

00:41:48.130 --> 00:41:51.489
about, this is my kid. He wants to live his life.

00:41:52.550 --> 00:41:56.989
And to me, that's how you can tell this is genuine

00:41:56.989 --> 00:42:01.389
versus just insanity. When somebody's obsessive

00:42:01.389 --> 00:42:06.150
about pronouns, man, I just can't take it seriously.

00:42:07.820 --> 00:42:10.199
You have to look at it from all angles here because

00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:13.539
once you start implementing laws where trans

00:42:13.539 --> 00:42:16.760
people can go into biologically born people's

00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.539
bathroom and stuff, it leaves the door open for

00:42:19.539 --> 00:42:22.320
perverts and people that aren't part of the actual

00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:25.139
trans community, but they just want to be a guy

00:42:25.139 --> 00:42:27.960
going into a woman's bathroom. So as you're passing

00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.440
these laws, you got to think about like, okay,

00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:33.860
maybe 90 % of the time this law is used proper,

00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:36.219
but there's that 10 % where you're getting a

00:42:36.219 --> 00:42:39.579
fucking dirty ass rapist, pervert, whatever that

00:42:39.579 --> 00:42:42.679
wants to cry on people of the opposite sex, but

00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.360
identify as their sex. So he or she can do it.

00:42:45.420 --> 00:42:47.880
It's like, you have to consider all that. You

00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:51.579
have to consider. biologically born males competing

00:42:51.579 --> 00:42:54.880
against biologically born females but identifying

00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.820
as a female just because they want to win the

00:42:57.820 --> 00:43:00.980
record or beat up a woman like all that shit

00:43:00.980 --> 00:43:03.900
comes into play you can't just it's not a blanketed

00:43:03.900 --> 00:43:06.500
rule yes we need to accept people more but you

00:43:06.500 --> 00:43:09.659
can't do it at the peril to where you're you

00:43:09.659 --> 00:43:13.300
know making majority of society feel very uncomfortable

00:43:13.300 --> 00:43:17.519
and very preyed on like if my younger niece was

00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:19.920
going into a bathroom and a grown man who identified

00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.739
as a woman was going in there to go to the bathroom

00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:26.159
uh he better hope the cops get there before i

00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:28.119
fucking go in there and rip him out because that's

00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.539
exactly what would happen if i saw that shit

00:43:30.539 --> 00:43:33.179
and that's the shit that is going to happen when

00:43:33.179 --> 00:43:36.179
you start coming up with crazy woke policies

00:43:36.179 --> 00:43:39.860
that just don't make sense yeah there's there's

00:43:39.860 --> 00:43:43.059
no common sense if the argument if the counter

00:43:43.059 --> 00:43:46.619
argument to that is you're a transphobe well

00:43:46.619 --> 00:43:50.639
then that's not a counter argument and the wherever

00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:54.239
you leave the door open literally or figuratively

00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:58.340
for a predator to sneak in that predator is going

00:43:58.340 --> 00:44:00.659
to fucking sneak in because that's what he does

00:44:00.659 --> 00:44:05.659
it's what predators do and what i find really

00:44:05.659 --> 00:44:08.539
silly about the whole thing is that this is exactly

00:44:08.539 --> 00:44:13.880
what Just a few years ago, less than 10 years

00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:18.300
ago, people on the left were saying, this is

00:44:18.300 --> 00:44:21.179
not going to happen. Like, it's not like we're

00:44:21.179 --> 00:44:24.719
going to let guys just beat the shit out of women

00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:28.400
in sports. And then, okay, now it's starting

00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.460
to happen. It's not like we're going to let dudes

00:44:31.460 --> 00:44:34.219
just say they're women once they go to jail so

00:44:34.219 --> 00:44:38.840
they can go. You have rapists in prisons who

00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:43.480
are saying, I'm a woman. Like outside. And now

00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:45.840
we're going to let you stay in the women's prison.

00:44:45.860 --> 00:44:48.659
That's fucking crazy. Yep. That happens. A bunch

00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:51.619
of California guys in prison are like a woman

00:44:51.619 --> 00:44:54.380
now going to the women's prison. That's so nuts.

00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:58.400
It's so nuts. Like in what world do you think

00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:02.119
that that's okay? Like whether we want to like

00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:04.960
agree with it or not, because you know, of course

00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:07.539
everybody's created equal, but there's some physical

00:45:07.539 --> 00:45:10.710
restraints we have. from a biologically born

00:45:10.710 --> 00:45:13.389
male to a biologically born female. When you're

00:45:13.389 --> 00:45:14.969
going through your teen years and you've got

00:45:14.969 --> 00:45:17.789
testosterone running through your veins, it alters

00:45:17.789 --> 00:45:20.550
your body and creates muscles and denser bone

00:45:20.550 --> 00:45:23.710
tissues that females just don't get because they

00:45:23.710 --> 00:45:27.269
don't have that going through their body. So

00:45:27.269 --> 00:45:31.269
we can't look at actual physical limitations

00:45:31.269 --> 00:45:35.150
and say, well, a woman can't do it. It's not

00:45:35.150 --> 00:45:36.730
because of that. The reason why I don't want

00:45:36.730 --> 00:45:39.179
a man... being able to fight a woman is because

00:45:39.179 --> 00:45:42.460
it's not fair. If they want to go and play. Yeah.

00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:46.400
It's not fair. It's not cool. It's not fair.

00:45:46.500 --> 00:45:50.019
And it's obviously not fair. And in order to

00:45:50.019 --> 00:45:53.139
make it fair, I guess I saw Neil deGrasse Tyson

00:45:53.139 --> 00:45:56.820
talking on somebody's podcast about this. It

00:45:56.820 --> 00:46:00.260
was just, he was really making a fucking clown

00:46:00.260 --> 00:46:03.539
of himself. Just like. He does sometimes. Yeah.

00:46:03.699 --> 00:46:09.539
It was really. it was on like uh trigonometry

00:46:09.539 --> 00:46:16.019
that that podcast and it's like um he was basically

00:46:16.019 --> 00:46:19.480
saying that we would have to you know i i honestly

00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:21.659
can't even i i'm trying to sum up what the hell

00:46:23.050 --> 00:46:25.510
It would have to be that it would be more interesting.

00:46:25.530 --> 00:46:28.590
We'd have to think of more interesting ways to

00:46:28.590 --> 00:46:31.289
parse out what is fair and what is unfair. So

00:46:31.289 --> 00:46:34.670
maybe we could do it by certain measures of chemicals

00:46:34.670 --> 00:46:37.690
in the body. And it's like, dude, there is no

00:46:37.690 --> 00:46:41.010
practical way on earth to ever make that work.

00:46:41.190 --> 00:46:47.829
Right. It's just an absurdity. Yeah. Neil deGrasse

00:46:47.829 --> 00:46:51.139
Tyson. He knows better. He knows better than

00:46:51.139 --> 00:46:53.840
to say this stupid shit that he's saying. This

00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.139
guy avoided politics altogether in his career

00:46:57.139 --> 00:47:01.659
for, I don't know, 15, 20 years almost because

00:47:01.659 --> 00:47:06.860
he wanted to be liked. And now politics is in.

00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.820
You have to toe the line. So he wants to be liked

00:47:09.820 --> 00:47:13.019
yet again. So now he's all in on dumb shit. Right.

00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:17.079
Right. Completely illogical shit. Yeah. And then

00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.420
on the other hand, it's like the modern version

00:47:20.420 --> 00:47:23.480
of feminism also supports this. It's like you

00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:26.920
fought for women's rights all this time. You

00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:28.800
have your own leagues. You have your own specific

00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.559
sports for women because they are women. And

00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:35.199
now you're letting men, biological men that identify

00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.300
as women, come in and destroy women in these

00:47:38.300 --> 00:47:40.139
sports. And you're just like, no, it's fine.

00:47:40.260 --> 00:47:42.619
Women can compete against them if they try really

00:47:42.619 --> 00:47:46.219
hard. It's like, no. You know what's funny about

00:47:46.219 --> 00:47:49.480
that, Chad, is that it's the people who, it's

00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:51.860
the women who aren't competing against them that

00:47:51.860 --> 00:47:53.880
are okay with it. If you talk to the women who

00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:56.260
are actually competing against this, they're

00:47:56.260 --> 00:47:59.400
appalled and disgusted that that swimmer that

00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:05.739
was for Penn State, those women, yes, this trans

00:48:05.739 --> 00:48:09.699
woman was in their locker room. With a penis

00:48:09.699 --> 00:48:12.639
hanging out fully nude in front of fully nude

00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.500
women. And they felt like, like, like they were

00:48:15.500 --> 00:48:18.099
being preyed upon this trans woman still dated

00:48:18.099 --> 00:48:21.719
women. So she's attracted to what she's seeing

00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.119
in there. And then shitting all over them in

00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:26.219
the pool by just beating every record. When the

00:48:26.219 --> 00:48:28.659
school told him basically suck it up. Yeah. Your

00:48:28.659 --> 00:48:32.699
fault. For the one person, the 30 other swimmers,

00:48:32.699 --> 00:48:35.840
female swimmers had to feel, you know, looked

00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.570
at and preyed upon because of one. saying they

00:48:39.570 --> 00:48:43.389
identified as the opposite sex just to win pool

00:48:43.389 --> 00:48:45.550
races. Because if you were serious, you would

00:48:45.550 --> 00:48:47.690
have chopped your dick off. And I don't know

00:48:47.690 --> 00:48:49.369
what their sexual preference is, but I would

00:48:49.369 --> 00:48:51.230
think if you felt like a woman, you would date

00:48:51.230 --> 00:48:53.190
a dude. I don't know. Again, I'm not getting

00:48:53.190 --> 00:48:55.989
that deep into it, but if you have a penis and

00:48:55.989 --> 00:48:57.449
you're walking around a woman's locker room,

00:48:57.510 --> 00:48:59.650
I'm sorry that don't sit well with me. I'd love

00:48:59.650 --> 00:49:04.409
to do it, but it's not the case. And I think

00:49:04.409 --> 00:49:07.860
it was a... Megan Rapinoe, she was retiring and

00:49:07.860 --> 00:49:11.179
she's like, yeah, I'm fine with trans people

00:49:11.179 --> 00:49:12.820
in soccer. It's like, oh yeah, you're leaving

00:49:12.820 --> 00:49:14.900
the league. Yeah, you're fine with it now. Okay.

00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:19.340
Got it. Yeah, you've seen a lot of that. People

00:49:19.340 --> 00:49:24.400
pushing back on Martina Navratilova because she's

00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:28.500
saying this is not fair in tennis. These sorts

00:49:28.500 --> 00:49:32.079
of things are not fair in sports and people push

00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:35.460
back on on her and she's like i have nothing

00:49:35.460 --> 00:49:38.059
personally to gain anymore i'm retired i'm done

00:49:38.059 --> 00:49:40.760
with this but i'm just trying to pay it forward

00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:44.840
for women who are coming up now right and it's

00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.460
just such an obvious one like these are the sorts

00:49:47.460 --> 00:49:50.280
of things that frustrate the shit out of me as

00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:54.280
a centrist where i'm like come on man we can

00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:57.539
figure this one out right can't we figure this

00:49:57.539 --> 00:50:01.280
one out it's not that hard Don't make this political.

00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:03.380
Like there's ways where it could be the left

00:50:03.380 --> 00:50:05.199
and the right, but they agree on this shit because

00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.780
this isn't politics. This is human fucking nature

00:50:08.780 --> 00:50:11.199
and things like that. It should not be a political

00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:15.659
issue. It shouldn't be, but it is. And this is

00:50:15.659 --> 00:50:19.460
why I'm very afraid of where we are because,

00:50:19.539 --> 00:50:22.440
I mean, you see things like this where it's just

00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:26.619
that's not a political issue in principle. It's

00:50:26.619 --> 00:50:29.679
a mental health issue. It's an issue of sexuality.

00:50:30.099 --> 00:50:32.480
Right. You can you can parse it in any number

00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:35.480
of ways, but not it's not a political expressly

00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:38.579
political position one way or the other. And

00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:43.559
everything nowadays is politicized. And I just

00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:48.320
I don't know. It's by design to divide us and

00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:51.039
keep us, you know, not worrying about the actual

00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:54.809
bigger picture. Yeah, to keep us separated and

00:50:54.809 --> 00:50:57.510
to keep you really aligned with your party. If

00:50:57.510 --> 00:50:59.630
you're if you're totally against trans people

00:50:59.630 --> 00:51:02.769
being in bathrooms and and, you know, the left

00:51:02.769 --> 00:51:05.010
sport or so, like you're going to stay with your

00:51:05.010 --> 00:51:08.210
party like to the death for that issue. So it's

00:51:08.210 --> 00:51:11.409
like they're almost dividing it to really keep

00:51:11.409 --> 00:51:14.349
those people that are so against on this. I see

00:51:14.349 --> 00:51:16.909
this a bit differently. I don't see it as being

00:51:16.909 --> 00:51:19.929
party driven. Because I think something like

00:51:19.929 --> 00:51:22.190
this transcends party. And there's a lot of things,

00:51:22.289 --> 00:51:25.269
a lot of the woke stuff on the left. It's not

00:51:25.269 --> 00:51:28.730
about supporting the Democratic Party, because

00:51:28.730 --> 00:51:31.170
a lot of these people don't. A lot of these people

00:51:31.170 --> 00:51:37.230
explicitly, we are anti -Democratic Party. We

00:51:37.230 --> 00:51:40.650
are anti -establishment. We are anti -capitalism.

00:51:41.369 --> 00:51:44.869
There is a lot. And certainly not all of it is

00:51:44.869 --> 00:51:48.860
this, but there is a lot. Of just burn it the

00:51:48.860 --> 00:51:53.659
fuck down sentiment. Yeah. And this is something

00:51:53.659 --> 00:51:57.159
that I definitely see from both sides. This is

00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.480
why I'm definitely afraid of this coming year

00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.219
and the subsequent four years thereafter. Because

00:52:04.219 --> 00:52:09.280
this could be the moment where just things fully

00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:14.360
collapse. And what's weird is that I say that.

00:52:14.989 --> 00:52:20.010
And most people, when I say something like, okay,

00:52:20.110 --> 00:52:22.809
things are getting crazy. Things are really getting

00:52:22.809 --> 00:52:25.829
crazy. Everybody agrees with me. Sensible, normal

00:52:25.829 --> 00:52:28.949
people who are not politically driven at all

00:52:28.949 --> 00:52:31.510
are like, yeah, things are getting – this is

00:52:31.510 --> 00:52:34.570
really coming down. Holy shit. And then when

00:52:34.570 --> 00:52:37.829
I take it a step further and say, well, what

00:52:37.829 --> 00:52:41.170
the hell is next? Civil war? Genocide? They look

00:52:41.170 --> 00:52:43.949
at me like – are you insane, dude? Are you insane?

00:52:45.190 --> 00:52:47.690
There's not going to be a civil war or something

00:52:47.690 --> 00:52:51.510
or genocide in this country. And I'm going, well,

00:52:51.570 --> 00:52:54.389
that would be really unusual for a failed state

00:52:54.389 --> 00:52:57.210
because this is where we're headed. We're at

00:52:57.210 --> 00:52:59.449
least trending toward it. I don't know if we're

00:52:59.449 --> 00:53:03.429
headed there in the immediate future or if it's

00:53:03.429 --> 00:53:05.949
going to take decades to get there, but we are

00:53:05.949 --> 00:53:08.369
headed there. Or are we course correct, just

00:53:08.369 --> 00:53:11.130
to put the flip side out? It would be great.

00:53:11.530 --> 00:53:13.849
It'd be amazing. I just don't know how to do

00:53:13.849 --> 00:53:17.710
it. And I feel like cultural problems of this

00:53:17.710 --> 00:53:22.489
magnitude where people are so invested in nonsense

00:53:22.489 --> 00:53:26.650
and they're invested in the war itself. They're

00:53:26.650 --> 00:53:29.530
invested in fighting. Oh, you say black, I say

00:53:29.530 --> 00:53:34.769
white, just because you said black. It's maddening.

00:53:34.769 --> 00:53:38.329
It's really, I don't know. The way you fix it,

00:53:38.369 --> 00:53:41.489
Don, is... strictly by shit like this. You allow

00:53:41.489 --> 00:53:44.829
people to have conversations and talk about stuff

00:53:44.829 --> 00:53:47.389
and see how their ideals line up and how that

00:53:47.389 --> 00:53:50.409
lays out. When you can't have these conversations

00:53:50.409 --> 00:53:52.469
because they block them from YouTube or they

00:53:52.469 --> 00:53:54.530
block them from whatever, that's where you create

00:53:54.530 --> 00:53:57.110
division and people don't know how to feel because

00:53:57.110 --> 00:53:59.130
they're not getting another opinion. They're

00:53:59.130 --> 00:54:00.929
not getting whatever. They're getting their echo

00:54:00.929 --> 00:54:02.769
chamber. They're getting all that. But when you

00:54:02.769 --> 00:54:05.889
could have a conversation and hear people's point

00:54:05.889 --> 00:54:08.579
of views and nothing censored, That's how you

00:54:08.579 --> 00:54:11.239
start to get the real vibe of the country and

00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:13.500
what people feel, not just what we're told to

00:54:13.500 --> 00:54:16.059
feel because of what one political party says

00:54:16.059 --> 00:54:18.420
or the other one says. And you're getting a lot

00:54:18.420 --> 00:54:20.980
of that, people just blindly following and not

00:54:20.980 --> 00:54:23.960
really looking. Does my party really stand for

00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:26.260
the reason I fell in love with them and what

00:54:26.260 --> 00:54:32.059
they were for? Like, is the left the 1960s JFK

00:54:32.059 --> 00:54:34.710
years? No. Is it the Bill Clinton years that

00:54:34.710 --> 00:54:37.210
I fell in love with? No. You know, is the right,

00:54:37.230 --> 00:54:40.869
you know, the Reagan years anymore? No. Like

00:54:40.869 --> 00:54:43.690
they're just so far from what people were aligned

00:54:43.690 --> 00:54:46.349
with to begin with that they need to really start

00:54:46.349 --> 00:54:50.130
looking, you know, within and seeing what do

00:54:50.130 --> 00:54:52.449
their thoughts line up with? Not not what do

00:54:52.449 --> 00:54:54.929
what political party, but you got to vote per

00:54:54.929 --> 00:54:57.530
person for what they feel. You know, you can't

00:54:57.530 --> 00:55:00.599
just be going blindly following your party. Yeah.

00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:03.760
And you have to not be a coward. Like this is

00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:07.280
what I keep seeing over and over again on the

00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:11.280
individual level and, and the group level where

00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:14.559
I will talk to people as I'm sure you guys do

00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.739
like talk to people and in private, they're like,

00:55:16.820 --> 00:55:20.360
dude, yeah, this stuff is all getting out of

00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:24.260
hand. And then publicly they're absolutely terrified

00:55:24.260 --> 00:55:28.440
to say a word. And I completely understand it

00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:34.159
because. Coming on this show, I get nervous.

00:55:34.340 --> 00:55:37.800
I got nervous just when I was about to come on.

00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:42.139
I'm like, oh, shit. You guys are branded as a

00:55:42.139 --> 00:55:47.360
right -wing podcast. Already? Damn it. Wasn't

00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:51.940
that on Detour into Liveville, by the way? Yes.

00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:59.019
What the fuck? I watched part of your last podcast.

00:55:59.579 --> 00:56:04.199
I had no idea any of that shit was going down

00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:07.019
with live. I thought you guys, like I thought

00:56:07.019 --> 00:56:09.320
the original band was touring with Incubus next

00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:12.820
month. I was like, oh, cool. All right. And I

00:56:12.820 --> 00:56:16.739
watched that podcast and I was like, wait, what

00:56:16.739 --> 00:56:19.500
happened in a lawsuit? And then I go down this

00:56:19.500 --> 00:56:23.360
rabbit hole reading Rolling Stone articles. Oh,

00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:28.869
yes. So let me try to get this straight. You

00:56:28.869 --> 00:56:30.090
probably won't have it straight, but go ahead.

00:56:30.409 --> 00:56:33.210
This was such a crazy story, Mike. If you read

00:56:33.210 --> 00:56:34.929
the Rolling Stone article, you won't have it

00:56:34.929 --> 00:56:37.210
straight, but go ahead. Yeah, there's no way

00:56:37.210 --> 00:56:40.869
I'm going to have it. Okay, so my takeaway from

00:56:40.869 --> 00:56:45.550
that long Rolling Stone article was you guys

00:56:45.550 --> 00:56:48.429
broke up, the original band broke up in 2009,

00:56:48.530 --> 00:56:56.800
and you guys, three of you, they together doing

00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:01.860
businesses and your guitar player was kind of

00:57:01.860 --> 00:57:06.079
a shady dude uh or what it seems and certainly

00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:11.239
you would argue very shady dude no he hooked

00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:14.820
up with another shady dude and they basically

00:57:14.820 --> 00:57:18.380
together just wiped out a bunch of your businesses

00:57:18.380 --> 00:57:24.000
and further kind of alienated you from the singer

00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:28.719
who you are still cool with. What part of that's

00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:30.980
wrong? I see you shaking your head. Well, so

00:57:30.980 --> 00:57:36.579
the band broke up in 2009 because there was a

00:57:36.579 --> 00:57:39.579
slow burn of the guitar player constantly saying

00:57:39.579 --> 00:57:41.760
he wrote this song, he wrote that song, and the

00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:44.019
singer would constantly take umbrage with that.

00:57:44.059 --> 00:57:46.380
He's not fucking happy about it. And it came

00:57:46.380 --> 00:57:48.139
to a head. He's used to that stuff, right, Ed?

00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:50.760
Sorry, say it again? Ed wrote most of that stuff,

00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.539
right? He wrote all the lyrics and melody. I

00:57:53.539 --> 00:57:56.179
mean, yeah, that's songwriting and legally songwriting.

00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:58.960
We all sat in a room and worked out the arrangements

00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:01.659
and like, you know, Chad, the guitar player,

00:58:01.699 --> 00:58:03.760
would bring in a guitar riff and that would become

00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:05.300
a song. And that's when he says, I wrote that

00:58:05.300 --> 00:58:06.739
song. It's like, well, no, you didn't write that

00:58:06.739 --> 00:58:09.000
song. You wrote the guitar riff and became that

00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:11.039
song. And he still does it to this day. I wrote

00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:14.139
song and drama. I saw a video. Oh, you commented

00:58:14.139 --> 00:58:19.110
on it. I saw it on Twitter. i don't know radio

00:58:19.110 --> 00:58:22.829
show or something that he did and wmmr he said

00:58:22.829 --> 00:58:27.409
like now of course i believe that he wrote the

00:58:27.409 --> 00:58:34.190
uh but like i didn't believe the rest of the

00:58:34.190 --> 00:58:36.150
story maybe you could tell me if it's true but

00:58:36.150 --> 00:58:38.409
like he said he picked up the guitar did that

00:58:38.409 --> 00:58:42.449
and then immediately i got in my car and i went

00:58:42.449 --> 00:58:45.650
over to ed's place and i was like dude And I'm

00:58:45.650 --> 00:58:48.170
like, that doesn't sound right. That's not like,

00:58:48.190 --> 00:58:51.610
it's not the kind of idea musically that you

00:58:51.610 --> 00:58:54.570
would go, oh shit, I got to run over to this

00:58:54.570 --> 00:58:59.349
dude. Like it was a great hook. It's, I mean,

00:58:59.369 --> 00:59:03.570
it's one of those few guitar hooks that works

00:59:03.570 --> 00:59:05.690
in a song where that's as catchy as anything

00:59:05.690 --> 00:59:09.250
else in the song. Yeah. That alone without the

00:59:09.250 --> 00:59:13.099
chords and the melody and that stuff. Like, just

00:59:13.099 --> 00:59:18.039
da -da -da -da -da. I don't know. I wasn't there

00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:21.239
for that. There is a version of that that happened.

00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:23.400
I don't know exactly the way he explains it.

00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:25.860
I mean, he embellishes everything he says, so

00:59:25.860 --> 00:59:30.460
who knows? It didn't seem untrue. It just seemed

00:59:30.460 --> 00:59:34.019
embellished. Well, that's what he does. So the

00:59:34.019 --> 00:59:36.699
band breaks up in 2009, like I said, slow burn,

00:59:36.780 --> 00:59:39.019
because the guitar player constantly took credit

00:59:39.019 --> 00:59:40.969
for the song. The singer didn't like that. Ed

00:59:40.969 --> 00:59:43.309
didn't like that. And that built tension all

00:59:43.309 --> 00:59:46.809
through. And that started like in the mid 90s

00:59:46.809 --> 00:59:48.710
when we first became popular. He was doing that

00:59:48.710 --> 00:59:52.070
and interviews on the radio, whatever. And in

00:59:52.070 --> 00:59:55.349
99, around 99, 2000, Ed finally went to him and

00:59:55.349 --> 00:59:57.369
said, I'm not writing to you anymore because

00:59:57.369 --> 01:00:00.809
you keep saying this. And Ed, I don't know if

01:00:00.809 --> 01:00:02.349
he wanted all the credit for writing the songs.

01:00:02.489 --> 01:00:05.030
Maybe he did. Probably did. But he didn't want

01:00:05.030 --> 01:00:06.369
to write with Chad anymore because he didn't

01:00:06.369 --> 01:00:08.150
want to have Chad say, I wrote this song. Right.

01:00:08.210 --> 01:00:12.210
But anyway. In 2009, we did break up. There was

01:00:12.210 --> 01:00:15.130
a record deal that was signed before we broke

01:00:15.130 --> 01:00:21.429
up. And there was a personal record deal kind

01:00:21.429 --> 01:00:24.130
of within that record deal for Ed. And he got

01:00:24.130 --> 01:00:25.449
a certain amount of money. We thought we were

01:00:25.449 --> 01:00:26.610
entitled to a certain amount of money. So we

01:00:26.610 --> 01:00:29.449
did sue him. That went down, which I since apologize

01:00:29.449 --> 01:00:34.690
for. Chad Taylor is a good ringleader. Sorry

01:00:34.690 --> 01:00:39.519
to cut you off. Was that like when he... unilaterally

01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:44.039
dealt with Chad and... Wasn't that something

01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:46.480
in the article where he dealt with... It was

01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:49.300
like Chad and Ed were talking and basically they

01:00:49.300 --> 01:00:53.460
cut the other two guys' pay in half. That was

01:00:53.460 --> 01:00:57.159
when we came back together in 2016. Oh, I'm going.

01:00:57.380 --> 01:01:01.199
That's fine. So we broke up, sued Ed. We got

01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:03.920
together with the guy, Bill Hines, in the article.

01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:07.699
We all started businesses with him. Okay? And

01:01:07.699 --> 01:01:09.559
they were going great. We started this fiber

01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:14.139
optic company and we built a line. We bootstrapped

01:01:14.139 --> 01:01:17.400
it from nothing and built this, you know, diverse

01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:19.840
path fiber optic line between New York City and

01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:22.619
Ashburn, Virginia. Finally got finished in 2019.

01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:26.219
Bill Hines' girlfriend, who was much younger,

01:01:26.340 --> 01:01:30.659
went fucking crazy, decided to file a PFA against

01:01:30.659 --> 01:01:33.460
him, which became then charges against him from

01:01:33.460 --> 01:01:37.869
the state. He stepped down as CEO of UFD at that

01:01:37.869 --> 01:01:41.170
time, the fiber optic company. And at that point,

01:01:41.230 --> 01:01:45.369
COVID happened. UFD decided to sue all of us

01:01:45.369 --> 01:01:47.989
collectively saying, you guys misappropriated

01:01:47.989 --> 01:01:50.510
funds. We've gone through the books. You know,

01:01:50.570 --> 01:01:52.570
you didn't spend money the way we thought you

01:01:52.570 --> 01:01:54.630
should have, which is just hindsight bullshit.

01:01:54.949 --> 01:01:58.769
And so there was a lawsuit launched. In the midst

01:01:58.769 --> 01:02:01.210
of that, Chad Terrell then turns against Bill

01:02:01.210 --> 01:02:04.719
because now he's like, oh. I can make Bill the

01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:07.139
bad guy and I can look like the good guy here.

01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:09.820
And then that's when I against them. And then

01:02:09.820 --> 01:02:11.260
in the midst of that, I was getting divorced

01:02:11.260 --> 01:02:13.639
and I needed financials from the company that

01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:15.019
the three of us own together called Think Cloud

01:02:15.019 --> 01:02:17.860
Holdings. And he has refused even to this day

01:02:17.860 --> 01:02:19.960
to give me financials for this company the whole

01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:21.639
time. You don't need them. I'm not going to give

01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:24.139
them to you. I was like, well, this is this is

01:02:24.139 --> 01:02:27.179
a guy that I was my best friend. I grew up with.

01:02:27.260 --> 01:02:29.599
We spent every night together. Like, you know,

01:02:29.699 --> 01:02:31.579
we were kids sleeping over each other's houses

01:02:31.579 --> 01:02:34.599
like. We built the band. We envisioned the band

01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:36.780
together. We did all the stuff. And we get to

01:02:36.780 --> 01:02:38.340
this place where it's like, no, I'm not giving

01:02:38.340 --> 01:02:39.739
you financials because I don't want to. I'm like,

01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:42.420
what? What the fuck? So the company isn't making

01:02:42.420 --> 01:02:45.780
money, and he's just not giving any money? Well,

01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:48.539
at this point, Live had to stop touring, obviously,

01:02:48.579 --> 01:02:50.659
because of COVID. That was kind of the main source

01:02:50.659 --> 01:02:53.599
of income into that company at the time. But

01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:57.579
I don't know why, to this day, he didn't want

01:02:57.579 --> 01:02:59.559
to give me financials. Just because he didn't

01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:01.219
have to? Because he was the manager of the company?

01:03:01.340 --> 01:03:04.460
I don't know. So I sued him. I'm in a current

01:03:04.460 --> 01:03:06.880
lawsuit with him to get the financials. I've

01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:08.699
gotten most of them. I found some stuff, but

01:03:08.699 --> 01:03:10.139
whatever, we're getting, we're getting further

01:03:10.139 --> 01:03:14.320
down the wire on that. And like I said, so Chad

01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.619
decided to turn against Bill because now he can

01:03:16.619 --> 01:03:19.059
now demonize this guy and go, look, I didn't

01:03:19.059 --> 01:03:22.099
do anything wrong. This guy did it all. And that's,

01:03:22.099 --> 01:03:24.679
and then the Rolling Stone, like they called,

01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:27.860
they called me and Bill. They want to do an interview

01:03:27.860 --> 01:03:30.099
because Chad had called them and done this interview

01:03:30.099 --> 01:03:32.809
with him. Gave his version of events. I gave

01:03:32.809 --> 01:03:36.170
my version. They only used about 15 % of what

01:03:36.170 --> 01:03:39.130
that told them in the article because they already

01:03:39.130 --> 01:03:41.210
picked the bad guy. They already picked Bill

01:03:41.210 --> 01:03:42.889
to be the bad guy. They made him that in the

01:03:42.889 --> 01:03:45.949
article. So he's not the bad – yeah, that was

01:03:45.949 --> 01:03:47.809
what it seemed like in the article that according

01:03:47.809 --> 01:03:50.809
– like your side of it was that Bill's not really

01:03:50.809 --> 01:03:56.170
the bad guy. No. Chad's really bad, and Bill

01:03:56.170 --> 01:03:59.949
– Do you see him as bad at all? Because he came

01:03:59.949 --> 01:04:02.389
off real fucking shady in that article. Oh, it's

01:04:02.389 --> 01:04:06.829
easy to make him shady. Absolutely. No, Bill's

01:04:06.829 --> 01:04:09.150
still my friend. I deal with him almost every

01:04:09.150 --> 01:04:13.090
day. I talk to him every day. But then back up

01:04:13.090 --> 01:04:15.789
to 2016, the band comes back together, which

01:04:15.789 --> 01:04:19.550
Bill was integral in making happen. He went to

01:04:19.550 --> 01:04:21.989
Ed's shows. He got him to start talking to us.

01:04:22.710 --> 01:04:25.869
When the band came back together, Chad Taylor

01:04:25.869 --> 01:04:28.190
took it upon himself to negotiate with Ed to

01:04:28.190 --> 01:04:30.929
bring him back. He gave him, and unilaterally,

01:04:30.929 --> 01:04:33.550
like I said in the article, he, without consulting

01:04:33.550 --> 01:04:35.750
Patrick and I, went to Ed and said, I'm giving

01:04:35.750 --> 01:04:38.289
you 40%, I'm taking 30, and Chad and Patrick

01:04:38.289 --> 01:04:40.429
are taking 15, and they're going to be fine with

01:04:40.429 --> 01:04:42.369
it. That's what he told Ed. I had no idea what

01:04:42.369 --> 01:04:44.530
the fuck was happening until this meeting where

01:04:44.530 --> 01:04:46.769
Chad presented this to us, and I was like, what

01:04:46.769 --> 01:04:49.329
the fuck is what? Like, I'm going along the road

01:04:49.329 --> 01:04:51.190
just like you, motherfucker, and now I'm getting

01:04:51.190 --> 01:04:54.469
paid. 15 % instead of 25%, which I normally had

01:04:54.469 --> 01:04:56.829
made historically through the band when we were

01:04:56.829 --> 01:05:00.630
on tour. Is that even remotely legal? Well, I

01:05:00.630 --> 01:05:05.570
mean, legal? I mean, I guess, yeah, in the way

01:05:05.570 --> 01:05:07.429
that the company was set up at that point, he

01:05:07.429 --> 01:05:10.530
could make those decisions. unfortunately negotiate

01:05:10.530 --> 01:05:13.730
your contract in the band well don it was almost

01:05:13.730 --> 01:05:16.570
like he made this deal with ed and then came

01:05:16.570 --> 01:05:19.369
to them and said basically this is the way we're

01:05:19.369 --> 01:05:21.929
getting ed back into the band so he did it shadily

01:05:21.929 --> 01:05:24.510
so chad and patrick still had to agree to it

01:05:24.510 --> 01:05:27.530
but they were told a little different of how

01:05:27.530 --> 01:05:30.130
it went about and it was i since found out it

01:05:30.130 --> 01:05:32.130
was it was that was not it was not ed's idea

01:05:32.130 --> 01:05:34.329
that was chad's idea to give him 40 because he

01:05:34.329 --> 01:05:38.090
felt something about the the past And yeah, it

01:05:38.090 --> 01:05:43.110
was legal. It wasn't a contract. It's kind of

01:05:43.110 --> 01:05:45.349
hard to explain. It was a meeting where we're

01:05:45.349 --> 01:05:48.090
realigning a bunch of other companies, the ownership

01:05:48.090 --> 01:05:50.929
of a bunch of other companies. And that was kind

01:05:50.929 --> 01:05:54.150
of thrown into the mix of this whole negotiation.

01:05:54.849 --> 01:05:59.449
And it had already been done. There was no, Ed

01:05:59.449 --> 01:06:01.849
had already accepted the 40%. What are you going

01:06:01.849 --> 01:06:06.300
to do? Go back to him now and say, oh, no. So

01:06:06.300 --> 01:06:08.500
that was bullshit. What was that? You were pissed

01:06:08.500 --> 01:06:10.440
that he included the other businesses in your

01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:12.300
live stuff because I remember you saying, like,

01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:14.079
these shouldn't even be spoken about together.

01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:17.139
Well, I was pissed that there was one meeting

01:06:17.139 --> 01:06:18.760
where we were realigning all the other companies,

01:06:18.820 --> 01:06:22.840
which I was fine with, and then it became a live

01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.679
negotiation. I was like, well, wait, what happened?

01:06:26.019 --> 01:06:29.460
Gotcha. He gave it 40%. You get 30%. I get 15%.

01:06:29.460 --> 01:06:32.659
And Patrick, the bass player, who does not like

01:06:32.659 --> 01:06:34.099
confrontation, was just like, yeah, I'm fine.

01:06:34.699 --> 01:06:36.880
I can tell that from the article, too. Thanks

01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:41.760
for negotiating on your behalf. And so in the

01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:44.380
meeting, actually, we agreed. Chad agreed to

01:06:44.380 --> 01:06:48.320
give us 20 % each, which is a little more palpable.

01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:50.820
But then when the paperwork came, it was like,

01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:54.440
no, fuck you. You're getting 15%. I didn't hear

01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:58.599
that in the meeting. Oh, okay. So then from there,

01:06:58.739 --> 01:07:01.760
what happened? Because you guys worked together.

01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:05.139
You toured. and things were going okay i remember

01:07:05.139 --> 01:07:09.500
the article started out with uh pre -covid right

01:07:09.500 --> 01:07:12.019
it was like something yeah i think the first

01:07:12.019 --> 01:07:14.000
sentence was something about like chad taylor

01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:17.159
feels like on top of the world because his band

01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:19.920
is back and you know he's lighting a cigar on

01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:23.659
the beach or something like that and yeah yeah

01:07:23.659 --> 01:07:27.199
so we toured 17 18 19 you know very successfully

01:07:29.259 --> 01:07:31.980
We did three shows in 2020 up until about March,

01:07:31.980 --> 01:07:36.619
and then COVID came. So COVID, obviously, no

01:07:36.619 --> 01:07:38.380
one was playing. We were on the road. And even

01:07:38.380 --> 01:07:40.519
when everything was starting to come back in

01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:43.659
the end of 2021, there was nothing happening

01:07:43.659 --> 01:07:51.260
with the band. And there was a DJ in Europe that

01:07:51.260 --> 01:07:53.929
wanted to do like a... dance version of lightning

01:07:53.929 --> 01:07:56.090
crashes right and i heard about it from management

01:07:56.090 --> 01:07:58.010
i was like oh that's fucking cool whatever introduce

01:07:58.010 --> 01:08:00.710
it to a new generation of kids whatever i don't

01:08:00.710 --> 01:08:03.889
care well apparently there was some big fucking

01:08:03.889 --> 01:08:07.809
fight about that between ed and chad and something

01:08:07.809 --> 01:08:11.150
to the point this is not verbatim this is you

01:08:11.150 --> 01:08:13.469
know through the through the mouths of others

01:08:13.469 --> 01:08:15.309
but like basically you can't fucking do this

01:08:15.309 --> 01:08:17.609
to my song chad saying this to ed and that's

01:08:17.609 --> 01:08:20.699
like fuck you i can do whatever i want And so

01:08:20.699 --> 01:08:22.920
they had this big drag out. And so now at this

01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:27.720
point in the summer of 22, you know, Bill again,

01:08:27.779 --> 01:08:32.359
negotiated for, for Ed was talking to Bill and

01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:33.779
basically saying, you know, listen, I want to

01:08:33.779 --> 01:08:36.039
kick out Chad Taylor. And Bill came to me and

01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:37.520
said, Hey, Ed wants to kick out Chad Taylor.

01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:40.079
I'm like, great. Let's kick out Chad Taylor.

01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:42.899
Cause I was pissed at him at that point too.

01:08:43.220 --> 01:08:46.439
Now. And it's funny because, you know, Ed, I.

01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:49.539
In 2020, obviously COVID happened. I was going

01:08:49.539 --> 01:08:51.300
through a divorce. Ed knew about my divorce.

01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:53.180
Never fucking contacted me. Never even called

01:08:53.180 --> 01:08:56.180
me to say how I was doing, whatever. But I could

01:08:56.180 --> 01:08:57.720
put that all behind me. I was like, okay, well,

01:08:57.779 --> 01:08:59.560
if I can go back in the band, we can go on tour.

01:08:59.960 --> 01:09:03.039
And I started advocating for Patrick to be in

01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:04.840
the band too, the bass player. It's like three

01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:07.380
of us, better than two of us. Let's go do it.

01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:11.140
And the negotiation was, I give him my vote.

01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:15.560
I get 25%. I go on tour. Well, the shows came

01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:19.239
about and... All of a sudden, no, I'm not going

01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:22.079
on tour. I want the drama on the road. And so,

01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:26.439
yes. So that's, that's, that's where everything

01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:29.520
is. So it's Ed with three, you know, three guys

01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:31.699
that are perfectly fine musicians, but you know,

01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:35.479
it's not live and whatever, but he has the, he

01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:38.800
has control now. And that's what it is. Yeah.

01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:41.840
Damn. So are you guys, are you, are you and Ed

01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:44.699
still cool? Or is that, that's kind of currently

01:09:44.699 --> 01:09:49.960
now. Not really. Don, I mean, this is like four

01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:52.579
guys that grew up as kids, you know what I'm

01:09:52.579 --> 01:09:54.640
saying? Grade school together, high school together.

01:09:54.859 --> 01:09:57.779
And, you know, all this, all this drama kind

01:09:57.779 --> 01:10:02.119
of came into place. You know, Chad and Chad,

01:10:02.180 --> 01:10:05.180
Chad Gracie and Patrick Delheimer are very trusting

01:10:05.180 --> 01:10:08.880
individuals. So, and Chad Taylor was kind of

01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:13.060
like almost the, you know, leader ish of, you

01:10:13.060 --> 01:10:15.300
know, when the breakup was going on and. feeding

01:10:15.300 --> 01:10:17.659
them information, and they believe it. It's their

01:10:17.659 --> 01:10:21.020
boy, you know what I'm saying? So a bunch of

01:10:21.020 --> 01:10:23.800
things transpired. They find out a bunch of stuff

01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:25.880
is, you know, some lies are told to them and

01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:29.279
stuff, and then it all gets, you know, out of

01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:31.699
control, and then it's like here we are now,

01:10:31.819 --> 01:10:33.979
and they're trying to pick up the pieces, but

01:10:33.979 --> 01:10:37.680
the story is sad not because, you know, we're

01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:39.539
not getting this great music from this awesome

01:10:39.539 --> 01:10:42.319
band, but it's also four dudes that were really

01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:45.140
good friends since childhood that are, almost

01:10:45.140 --> 01:10:47.319
not on speaking terms so it's like it's crazy

01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:50.100
and in 16 when we were coming back together i

01:10:50.100 --> 01:10:53.300
was like i kept telling patrick and chad and

01:10:53.300 --> 01:10:55.560
i told manager too i was like we need band therapy

01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:59.119
like we need to have like metallica some kind

01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:02.180
of monster ish fucking band therapist sit down

01:11:02.180 --> 01:11:04.560
air all the bullshit get it all out instead i

01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:07.479
was told no and chad came back to us after negotiating

01:11:07.479 --> 01:11:09.890
with ed Before I even know about the 40 % and

01:11:09.890 --> 01:11:12.109
said, we're just going to go forward from here.

01:11:12.130 --> 01:11:13.630
We're not going to talk about anything in the

01:11:13.630 --> 01:11:16.310
past. I'm like, that sounds fucking great. This

01:11:16.310 --> 01:11:18.869
is going to be awesome. It's going to be incredible.

01:11:19.789 --> 01:11:22.390
So, yeah, here we fucking are. It's a fucking

01:11:22.390 --> 01:11:26.789
shambles. And it's unfortunate, but it is what

01:11:26.789 --> 01:11:29.069
it is right now. Yeah, what a fucking nightmare.

01:11:29.369 --> 01:11:36.659
It was an entertaining read. Oh, yeah. Yes. I

01:11:36.659 --> 01:11:39.359
talked to that guy, Andy Green. I was like, what's

01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:41.279
your fucking angle on this article? He's like,

01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:42.600
oh, I'm just going to tell the truth. I'm just

01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:44.159
here for the truth. I'm like, okay, well, I'll

01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:46.819
tell you the fucking truth. I said, you talked

01:11:46.819 --> 01:11:50.420
to Chad Taylor. Whatever he told you is an embellishment

01:11:50.420 --> 01:11:53.239
and probably mostly not the truth, but okay.

01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:57.340
You believe him. I kind of figured what the article

01:11:57.340 --> 01:11:59.819
was going to be. We were hopeful that it wasn't

01:11:59.819 --> 01:12:03.180
going to be that, but then it was. I mean, what

01:12:03.180 --> 01:12:05.819
a nightmare, man. Especially like you were saying,

01:12:05.939 --> 01:12:08.000
John, it's like, yeah, you guys have been friends.

01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:11.239
I didn't realize until I looked into this, how

01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:14.960
far back you guys went. You guys were kids when

01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:21.439
you started that band. And I saw that you were

01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:25.260
saying things like, you wish you never met Chad,

01:12:25.420 --> 01:12:28.859
which is like, you know, that's a bold statement.

01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:31.539
That's a, like, that's a mega fuck you. Cause

01:12:31.539 --> 01:12:34.789
that's like, Man, I would redo the whole damn

01:12:34.789 --> 01:12:37.569
thing over again because I hate this dude so

01:12:37.569 --> 01:12:39.789
much, which is like, oh. Yeah, I mean, I would

01:12:39.789 --> 01:12:41.590
back off of that a little bit, but it's still

01:12:41.590 --> 01:12:45.289
– I don't say I hate him. I'm just annoyed at

01:12:45.289 --> 01:12:47.630
the amount of lying that he does. It just drives

01:12:47.630 --> 01:12:52.189
me insane. We could go into details about all

01:12:52.189 --> 01:12:53.989
the cases that are happening against him and

01:12:53.989 --> 01:12:56.670
just the shit that he fucking lies about. It's

01:12:56.670 --> 01:13:00.350
just wild to me. And the other part of it is

01:13:00.350 --> 01:13:02.460
that – Patrick, the bass player, just is like

01:13:02.460 --> 01:13:04.920
his lackey, just does and says whatever Chad

01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:08.420
tells him to do. It's fucking wild. It's almost

01:13:08.420 --> 01:13:11.899
like Chad has something over him, but I think

01:13:11.899 --> 01:13:15.760
it's Patrick being lazy and afraid to confront

01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:19.840
Chad Taylor and actually know what he is and

01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:21.939
that he's just, you know, basically a narcissist

01:13:21.939 --> 01:13:25.260
and he lies to your face all the time. Chad,

01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:27.619
like when you say like, you know, hate or whatever

01:13:27.619 --> 01:13:29.840
you wish you didn't i mean those i think the

01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:33.600
you're hurt by it mainly and like sometimes words

01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:35.739
come out that don't express that but i think

01:13:35.739 --> 01:13:37.920
deep down that's really what it is is is a hurt

01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:40.520
you know somebody you love were brothers in war

01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:45.000
with and then to kind of feel so lied to or or

01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:49.060
or you know just him kind of just doing a 180

01:13:49.060 --> 01:13:51.500
and blaming people for other shit that's not

01:13:51.500 --> 01:13:53.640
there i think i think it all comes down to like

01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:56.720
a hurtness because i know if i was in your She

01:13:56.720 --> 01:13:58.119
was like, yeah, I would have all those other

01:13:58.119 --> 01:14:00.260
feelings, anger and all stuff. But deep down,

01:14:00.300 --> 01:14:02.279
I think it would just be more hurt that this

01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:05.199
person that I loved is fucking being weird right

01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:10.960
now. Yeah. It's hurt and betrayal. And I gave

01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:16.380
my loyalty to him for decades. Yep. And then,

01:14:16.460 --> 01:14:19.399
you know, come, come like the straw broke. The

01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:21.720
camel's back was just the whole fucking this

01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:24.479
whole like financial thing. Like you're not going

01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:27.630
to give me. I was getting a divorce towards the

01:14:27.630 --> 01:14:31.729
end of 2020, 2021. I'm like, hey, I need financials

01:14:31.729 --> 01:14:34.409
to get my divorce. We're ready to settle this

01:14:34.409 --> 01:14:35.770
thing. He's like, no, I'm not giving him a divorce.

01:14:35.890 --> 01:14:38.090
I'm just like, what the fuck? He was subpoenaed

01:14:38.090 --> 01:14:40.670
by the courts for them, denied that, ignored

01:14:40.670 --> 01:14:43.430
it. I'm just like, what the fuck? Now I'm starting

01:14:43.430 --> 01:14:46.390
to go, what are you hiding from me? Because this

01:14:46.390 --> 01:14:50.869
is beyond a power play. It's like, you're fucking

01:14:50.869 --> 01:14:54.909
hiding shit. And so – and yeah, it's like the

01:14:54.909 --> 01:14:56.970
betrayal, the fucking – it's just the sadness

01:14:56.970 --> 01:15:01.590
of watching him tell fucking complete blatant

01:15:01.590 --> 01:15:03.770
lies about things that I know are factually true

01:15:03.770 --> 01:15:06.989
and going, why are you doing this? Like what

01:15:06.989 --> 01:15:09.149
is – I mean I know why because narcissists, that's

01:15:09.149 --> 01:15:11.510
what they fucking do. But anyway, it's still

01:15:11.510 --> 01:15:15.010
in my bag of mind. Do you think he's a clinical

01:15:15.010 --> 01:15:20.270
narcissist? Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm not a psychologist,

01:15:20.329 --> 01:15:24.109
but if you know what I know about him and what

01:15:24.109 --> 01:15:26.369
he tells people and how he conducts his life,

01:15:26.489 --> 01:15:29.449
the gaslighting that he was doing to me, especially

01:15:29.449 --> 01:15:32.250
in these last few years, when the band came back

01:15:32.250 --> 01:15:35.770
together, he started doing little shit like,

01:15:35.890 --> 01:15:38.789
well, you need to practice more. I'm like, what?

01:15:39.270 --> 01:15:41.770
He's like, oh, yeah. You got to play this lick

01:15:41.770 --> 01:15:45.329
here. I'm like. no that's not what you fucking

01:15:45.329 --> 01:15:47.289
stick to the guitar i'll play the drums motherfucker

01:15:47.289 --> 01:15:50.729
yeah and then and then i hurt myself in 17 and

01:15:50.729 --> 01:15:52.710
we just came back together we started touring

01:15:52.710 --> 01:15:55.710
and i fell in my kitchen and tore my tricep tendon

01:15:55.710 --> 01:15:59.010
in my right arm and uh so i was like one arm

01:15:59.010 --> 01:16:03.670
for and we we found this drummer covers sorry

01:16:03.670 --> 01:16:10.369
do you do deaf leopard covers no no i got this

01:16:11.020 --> 01:16:12.779
I get to meet Rick Allen and sit behind his kid.

01:16:12.859 --> 01:16:14.899
That guy, whatever he does is amazing. Yeah,

01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:18.859
it's fucking wild. So anyway, so we have this

01:16:18.859 --> 01:16:21.100
show. I do that. I hurt myself on a Wednesday.

01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:23.800
On a Saturday, we're playing the Arroyo Seco

01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:26.960
Festival in Pasadena. And I'm like, I call, I

01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:29.500
fall, call up Chad, of course. And I'm like,

01:16:29.539 --> 01:16:31.640
hey, man, fuck on my arm. Like, I can't fucking

01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:34.380
play. So we find this drummer named Robin Diaz.

01:16:34.539 --> 01:16:37.060
He comes in. We have no time for rehearsal. He

01:16:37.060 --> 01:16:39.710
comes in. He plays this. He learns a song. Comes

01:16:39.710 --> 01:16:42.289
in, I'm playing one arm running the show while

01:16:42.289 --> 01:16:44.329
he's playing the drum parts. So I'm just kind

01:16:44.329 --> 01:16:47.149
of playing snare and kick, whatever. And so,

01:16:47.189 --> 01:16:49.869
and then we do that. And I did an alternative

01:16:49.869 --> 01:16:52.409
treatment. I didn't have surgery. I healed myself

01:16:52.409 --> 01:16:55.210
through testosterone injections, hyperbaric chamber,

01:16:55.350 --> 01:16:58.250
which we can talk about later. But I was ready

01:16:58.250 --> 01:17:00.350
to go. Six, seven weeks, I was playing again,

01:17:00.449 --> 01:17:02.970
like full strength. I had 90 % tear in my tricep

01:17:02.970 --> 01:17:07.220
tendon. Wow. And so there was a show in Hershey,

01:17:07.220 --> 01:17:09.260
Pennsylvania. We were opening for Guns N' Roses.

01:17:09.300 --> 01:17:11.399
We did a couple opening things for them on that

01:17:11.399 --> 01:17:13.159
run, which we were like, yeah, that'd be fucking

01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:16.500
fun. So that's the first show in Hershey where

01:17:16.500 --> 01:17:20.399
I played full volume, fucking pairing it up again.

01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:22.920
And now we have a second drummer. And after that

01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:25.819
show, we were in Rochester or Buffalo, I forget.

01:17:26.100 --> 01:17:28.159
We go out to a bar. I'm like, OK, man, I'm fucking

01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:30.640
back. Give me the seat again. We can get rid

01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:32.180
of Rob. And he's like, no, we're going to have

01:17:32.180 --> 01:17:35.060
two drummers on stage now. I'm like, what? He's

01:17:35.060 --> 01:17:36.399
like, no, and you're both going to set up in

01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:39.060
the middle. And I was like, I'm out. Fuck you.

01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:41.720
I'm not doing that. I mean, I don't have a huge

01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:44.520
ego, but like, I'm not sharing the center of

01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:48.640
the stage with another fucking guy. Yeah. And

01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:52.359
I use the analogy of like, let you get up and

01:17:52.359 --> 01:17:54.439
give a speech and have the fucking guy next to

01:17:54.439 --> 01:17:57.619
you giving the same speech. And listen, you have

01:17:57.619 --> 01:17:59.060
to hear that. And you're like, what the fuck?

01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:01.680
Don't say that word there. Like, you know, whatever

01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:04.220
the fuck it is. And so the, and so I quit the

01:18:04.220 --> 01:18:06.420
band and then Ed, Ed intervened and came back

01:18:06.420 --> 01:18:08.159
and said, well, so we're going to have the two

01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:10.079
drummers. Cause he, at this point, Ed didn't

01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:11.739
want to go against Chad because he knew if he

01:18:11.739 --> 01:18:13.739
had a fight with Chad, that they would, the band

01:18:13.739 --> 01:18:15.560
would break. And we had just gotten back together.

01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:17.939
Right. So he did not want to go against Chad

01:18:17.939 --> 01:18:20.760
for any reason. Management, our manager is a

01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:22.300
fucking pussy. He doesn't know how to fucking

01:18:22.300 --> 01:18:24.479
deal with anything. All he does, all he knows

01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:26.590
how to do is say yes to Ed. So whatever Ed wants.

01:18:27.069 --> 01:18:30.609
And so the compromise was two drummers, one's

01:18:30.609 --> 01:18:32.829
on the side of the stage, and I'm in the middle.

01:18:33.449 --> 01:18:35.729
Great, whatever. So we toured like that for about

01:18:35.729 --> 01:18:39.489
a year, and that was fucking stupid. And I hated

01:18:39.489 --> 01:18:41.590
it, and I bitched about it. And I told management,

01:18:42.289 --> 01:18:44.090
told Chad, like, this is fucking, like, why are

01:18:44.090 --> 01:18:46.949
we doing this? Oh, it's mega drums on fucking

01:18:46.949 --> 01:18:49.189
stage. It's fucking cool. And I'm like, no, it's

01:18:49.189 --> 01:18:52.369
dumb. It's dumb. And then they give you an end

01:18:52.369 --> 01:18:54.409
point for it. It's not like they said, okay.

01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:57.199
this guy's going to finish out this run with

01:18:57.199 --> 01:19:00.000
us, and then we're going to go back to the way

01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:04.760
things were for fucking 30 years. It wasn't like...

01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:07.079
There was no end to it except when... So the

01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:09.699
end came... So we toured all of 18 like that,

01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:12.340
went all over the world playing like that, whatever.

01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:16.619
And the end came when we were... We had booked

01:19:16.619 --> 01:19:19.079
a tour of Bush in 19, and we did an announcement

01:19:19.079 --> 01:19:23.699
show for that at the Roxy in LA. and we couldn't

01:19:23.699 --> 01:19:26.859
fit two drums you know two drums on stage it's

01:19:26.859 --> 01:19:30.180
like great yeah so robin was playing like bongos

01:19:30.180 --> 01:19:32.220
or something on the side and i fucking just tore

01:19:32.220 --> 01:19:34.800
it up and i was like it's playing harder than

01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:36.819
i'd ever had that night just to fucking go you

01:19:36.819 --> 01:19:38.659
don't need this fucking asshole you're trying

01:19:38.659 --> 01:19:42.060
to win your gig back yeah exactly that's kind

01:19:42.060 --> 01:19:45.020
of like oh yeah dude you're fucking back we don't

01:19:45.020 --> 01:19:47.760
need two drummers i'm like okay great so what

01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:49.319
what they did was then they brought out this

01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:51.640
percussionist this guy named clint who's an amazing

01:19:51.640 --> 01:19:54.239
drummer he fucking kick ass so that that was

01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:56.859
okay like to have a percussionist he's playing

01:19:56.859 --> 01:20:00.180
different stuff not playing great whatever so

01:20:00.180 --> 01:20:03.180
that's how it ended but there wasn't at at no

01:20:03.180 --> 01:20:04.840
point was there like no we're gonna get rid of

01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:06.920
robin on this date it was just at that point

01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:09.039
where even the sound man was like yeah that was

01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:10.819
great not having two drummers even the sound

01:20:10.819 --> 01:20:12.640
man the whole time was like you can't really

01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:15.159
mix this it's like The drums are canceling out

01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:16.979
each other. It's not more drums. It's fucking

01:20:16.979 --> 01:20:18.960
less drums. It's dumb. Yeah, it actually is.

01:20:19.100 --> 01:20:21.659
It's like less drums because it could work if

01:20:21.659 --> 01:20:24.199
you're playing different parts or if like, you

01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:26.199
know, maybe if you're doing a jam band kind of

01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:27.800
thing, I've seen it work in those situations.

01:20:27.939 --> 01:20:31.659
But in a hard rock situation, yeah, you get two

01:20:31.659 --> 01:20:36.220
guys playing like straight forward beat like

01:20:36.220 --> 01:20:38.680
that. No, man, that's going to, it really does

01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:41.520
make it less. It's just going to, they're kind

01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:46.430
of canceling each other out. Yeah, exactly. So

01:20:46.430 --> 01:20:47.989
there were a few shows where I would come off

01:20:47.989 --> 01:20:51.430
stage pissed because I'm like, Robin, don't fucking

01:20:51.430 --> 01:20:54.970
play over me in this part. I don't do a lot of

01:20:54.970 --> 01:20:58.090
crazy, flary stuff. I'm a basic drummer, but

01:20:58.090 --> 01:21:00.250
there are certain fills that I put in certain

01:21:00.250 --> 01:21:04.029
places for effect, and he would step all over

01:21:04.029 --> 01:21:05.590
them or play all over them. It's like, dude,

01:21:05.710 --> 01:21:08.270
fucking don't do that. And so Chad Taylor categorizes

01:21:08.270 --> 01:21:10.970
that in the Rolling Stone article as me doing

01:21:10.970 --> 01:21:14.199
that while I'm hurt. Not after I'm healed and

01:21:14.199 --> 01:21:15.979
we're having two drummers. He's making it seem

01:21:15.979 --> 01:21:18.380
like while I'm hurt, I'm going to Robin and like

01:21:18.380 --> 01:21:20.119
bitching at him and telling him he's a piece

01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:23.159
of shit. But that was not the case. Like he mixes

01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:25.800
up timelines. That's what he does to make me

01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:29.220
look bad. And so anyway, so that was, that was

01:21:29.220 --> 01:21:31.420
just one of the things. And like, and also, and

01:21:31.420 --> 01:21:34.100
then they made a whole fucking, an EP without

01:21:34.100 --> 01:21:36.319
me even knowing about it, having Robin play drums

01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:39.649
on it. That was the biggest one. I'm like. And

01:21:39.649 --> 01:21:43.210
telling people that he did play on them. Like

01:21:43.210 --> 01:21:45.149
they told you to say that you did play on them

01:21:45.149 --> 01:21:47.250
when they had Robin play on them. If I remember.

01:21:47.729 --> 01:21:50.210
So there were like four songs on that, on that

01:21:50.210 --> 01:21:53.069
EP. Three of them I had never heard, never even

01:21:53.069 --> 01:21:55.510
had the chance to like listen to or play to.

01:21:55.989 --> 01:21:58.310
And they're recorded and mixed and they're putting

01:21:58.310 --> 01:22:00.789
out this fucking EP. And I'm like, and I went

01:22:00.789 --> 01:22:02.770
to chat. I said, this is the most hurtful thing

01:22:02.770 --> 01:22:04.449
anyone has ever fucking done. And he's like,

01:22:04.529 --> 01:22:07.319
nah, just deal with it. i mean you know i was

01:22:07.319 --> 01:22:10.420
like okay this motherfucker is a gaslighting

01:22:10.420 --> 01:22:13.359
fucking narcissist yeah like i'm just trying

01:22:13.359 --> 01:22:15.760
to think of it from their perspective like maybe

01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:18.699
and it's no matter how you slice it it's still

01:22:18.699 --> 01:22:21.420
stupid and fucked up because like okay they could

01:22:21.420 --> 01:22:25.859
say well you know you got hurt and so you weren't

01:22:25.859 --> 01:22:28.359
as tight and it took you a while to recover from

01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:30.420
being hurt and you weren't as tight as you thought

01:22:30.420 --> 01:22:32.300
you were let's say that that's their position

01:22:32.300 --> 01:22:37.979
but in the studio now The drums, you could do

01:22:37.979 --> 01:22:43.039
so many edits. I mean, I edit drums all the time.

01:22:43.420 --> 01:22:47.000
This is a very possible thing to do. You go,

01:22:47.100 --> 01:22:50.020
all right, look, our drummer's not playing at

01:22:50.020 --> 01:22:53.739
his top form, and he knows that. Fine, let him

01:22:53.739 --> 01:22:57.960
play. We can edit the drums. If we have to, we

01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:02.239
can tighten him to the grid if necessary, and

01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:05.840
everything is groovy. Everything's fine. So it

01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:08.699
doesn't really – it doesn't make sense that they

01:23:08.699 --> 01:23:13.100
would – I mean, I guess – Well, Chad Taylor was

01:23:13.100 --> 01:23:15.079
the producer, and he made all these decisions.

01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:17.100
And like I said earlier, Ed didn't want to go

01:23:17.100 --> 01:23:19.220
against him because if they got in any kind of

01:23:19.220 --> 01:23:21.260
clash about anything, Ed knew it was going to

01:23:21.260 --> 01:23:24.819
fucking fall apart. Like, he knew it. Yeah. And

01:23:24.819 --> 01:23:26.739
so he didn't want to go against Chad. And you

01:23:26.739 --> 01:23:30.420
and Chad weren't getting along, so he was, like,

01:23:30.460 --> 01:23:33.140
just putting the screws to you at that point.

01:23:33.500 --> 01:23:36.199
Yeah. basically it's the fact that they didn't

01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:41.840
tell you about that's really fucked up man your

01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:46.260
band of however many years at that point since

01:23:46.260 --> 01:23:49.119
you were kids and you've toured the world a billion

01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:52.899
times over and they go and record without you

01:23:52.899 --> 01:23:56.260
didn't tell you said tell everybody that you

01:23:56.260 --> 01:24:01.600
did this wow and then we've been working on songs

01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:04.939
that were not on that ep And they were like,

01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:08.560
you know, I mean, like for me to write, I was

01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:12.439
always inspired by Chad's guitar part or whatever

01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:14.979
song that Ed brought in. And we would sit down

01:24:14.979 --> 01:24:16.279
and we'd fucking get in a room and we'd hash

01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:19.600
it out, right? And what we were doing while leading

01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:22.100
up to this, making this thing is that they were

01:24:22.100 --> 01:24:24.539
just like handing me these song ideas that I

01:24:24.539 --> 01:24:26.800
wasn't really into. And they were like, okay,

01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:29.239
play. And so I would play my best and fucking,

01:24:29.340 --> 01:24:31.439
you know, do my thing, but I wasn't really into

01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:35.939
it. I wasn't inspired. Right. So, you know, I

01:24:35.939 --> 01:24:39.159
think that that became, well, Gracie, you know,

01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:40.899
he's just not creative anymore. He can't come

01:24:40.899 --> 01:24:43.180
up with stuff. And he's like, no, dude, give

01:24:43.180 --> 01:24:45.079
me something that I fucking love. I'll fucking

01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:47.600
blow it out. No problem. But you're giving me

01:24:47.600 --> 01:24:49.680
shit that sucks and I don't want to play to it.

01:24:50.399 --> 01:24:53.220
And, you know, the last few records of live have

01:24:53.220 --> 01:24:56.220
kind of been like that. Here, play to this. So

01:24:56.220 --> 01:24:59.760
we were kind of back there. I was hoping that

01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:02.430
we would get back to like the real fucking. live

01:25:02.430 --> 01:25:04.609
and getting in a room and like hashing out ideas

01:25:04.609 --> 01:25:07.890
and writing songs that way throwing capital jewelry

01:25:07.890 --> 01:25:11.109
days you know like those legendary somebody now

01:25:11.109 --> 01:25:13.369
this is here they're all like that yeah like

01:25:13.369 --> 01:25:16.189
yeah and that's impossible to do if the if the

01:25:16.189 --> 01:25:19.489
wisdom of the band is like no let's just sweep

01:25:19.489 --> 01:25:21.229
shit under the rug we're not going to talk about

01:25:21.229 --> 01:25:26.390
anything in the past like some fucking nightmare

01:25:26.390 --> 01:25:29.829
like man because i it's it's fucked up because

01:25:29.829 --> 01:25:35.500
i listened to live uh like probably forced by

01:25:35.500 --> 01:25:38.340
me right right donna used to make sure everybody

01:25:38.340 --> 01:25:41.680
listened to live as a kid i mean you couldn't

01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:44.380
escape live i mean right right that shit was

01:25:44.380 --> 01:25:48.579
what was crazy is like i listened to uh like

01:25:48.579 --> 01:25:51.699
a couple weeks ago maybe two three weeks ago

01:25:51.699 --> 01:25:54.579
i was like i haven't heard live in a while and

01:25:54.579 --> 01:25:58.819
i popped it on spotify i was like god damn that's

01:25:58.819 --> 01:26:02.720
a lot of hits that is a lot of fucking like way

01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:04.979
more hits than i even remembered i'm like i know

01:26:04.979 --> 01:26:08.119
that one yep that one even the one we were just

01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:13.960
talking about the um yeah that one i'm like i

01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:15.600
don't know the name of that one i'll bet that's

01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:17.899
not a hit it's a fucking hit they're all hits

01:26:17.899 --> 01:26:24.060
like and it's i didn't know about the the craziness

01:26:24.060 --> 01:26:27.739
that went on you know until about a week later

01:26:27.739 --> 01:26:29.640
or something when i listened to the last podcast

01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:34.779
it's like oh no that sucks because like in my

01:26:34.779 --> 01:26:38.420
mind like you guys are still you know i listened

01:26:38.420 --> 01:26:42.600
to that first record uh the mental jewelry yeah

01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:49.899
so like that record bob borneman my old my old

01:26:49.899 --> 01:26:53.300
uh singer best friend from back in the day when

01:26:53.300 --> 01:26:56.659
we would show up to rehearse that dude like we

01:26:56.659 --> 01:27:00.800
were in this blistering heavy metal band and

01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:05.479
he would just like practices were more or less

01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:08.199
just like yeah yeah whatever like let's get that

01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:10.000
out of the way so i could put that record back

01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:12.739
on that's so like you couldn't get in or out

01:27:12.739 --> 01:27:15.340
of that studio without hearing that record at

01:27:15.340 --> 01:27:18.600
least half a dozen times on any given night it's

01:27:18.600 --> 01:27:20.760
like like man i haven't listened to that in a

01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:23.649
while and people it was crazy because You know,

01:27:23.649 --> 01:27:27.409
people were coming into our room. All these metal

01:27:27.409 --> 01:27:30.470
heads would come into our jam space. And they

01:27:30.470 --> 01:27:33.430
had no idea it was even live because they associated

01:27:33.430 --> 01:27:36.710
you guys with like the alternative scene. But

01:27:36.710 --> 01:27:40.250
that stuff is really groove heavy. And you had

01:27:40.250 --> 01:27:43.369
all these metal dudes who were like, oh, that's

01:27:43.369 --> 01:27:47.130
fucking live. Holy shit. And so I was thinking

01:27:47.130 --> 01:27:50.140
like, you know. if you haven't checked in with

01:27:50.140 --> 01:27:52.279
something in a while like it's it's where you

01:27:52.279 --> 01:27:55.000
last left it and that was kind of where i last

01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:57.979
left you guys was like yeah these this super

01:27:57.979 --> 01:28:03.180
huge juggernaut band that could always play really

01:28:03.180 --> 01:28:06.880
well like even that album didn't have any big

01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:09.380
hits there was that one single that did well

01:28:09.380 --> 01:28:12.859
but like the next record like that's when the

01:28:12.859 --> 01:28:17.470
hits that's when it just took off It's so sad

01:28:17.470 --> 01:28:20.189
to hear like about all this nonsense. Cause like,

01:28:20.310 --> 01:28:27.090
yeah, it's a, it's like, man, it's fun to listen

01:28:27.090 --> 01:28:30.130
to that stuff and to go back in time and to also

01:28:30.130 --> 01:28:33.989
to just, I've been trying to put myself in the

01:28:33.989 --> 01:28:37.409
shoes of somebody like yourself where my God,

01:28:37.550 --> 01:28:40.529
how crazy must that have been? You're in this

01:28:40.529 --> 01:28:44.590
band from high school and you get a record deal.

01:28:45.289 --> 01:28:48.130
And you put out this record that does well and

01:28:48.130 --> 01:28:51.909
is really cool. More or less like the college

01:28:51.909 --> 01:28:57.630
circuit, right? Oh, yeah. And then by 94, you

01:28:57.630 --> 01:29:03.850
guys are in this weird spot where you're superstars,

01:29:03.850 --> 01:29:06.970
but you can still walk down the street and people

01:29:06.970 --> 01:29:10.550
don't bother you. So you're in that amazing zone.

01:29:11.180 --> 01:29:13.460
That like everybody, if you're going to aspire

01:29:13.460 --> 01:29:16.260
to be any kind of superstar, that's the one you

01:29:16.260 --> 01:29:18.500
want to be. So you can walk down the street and

01:29:18.500 --> 01:29:21.819
not get harassed. But like 95, they were Rolling

01:29:21.819 --> 01:29:23.859
Stones artists of the year. It might've got a

01:29:23.859 --> 01:29:29.489
little harder at that point. Don, I do this all

01:29:29.489 --> 01:29:31.289
the time. I love the conversation. We're going

01:29:31.289 --> 01:29:34.510
to have you on again. I love to leave the audience

01:29:34.510 --> 01:29:37.609
wanting more and to hear more from you. But please

01:29:37.609 --> 01:29:40.069
let them know where they could find some Don

01:29:40.069 --> 01:29:44.670
Ryan stuff online. Don's a friend of mine. He's

01:29:44.670 --> 01:29:48.109
a very, very good musician. Before COVID, he

01:29:48.109 --> 01:29:50.170
was playing a lot of really cool shows. I don't

01:29:50.170 --> 01:29:51.949
know if he got back out onto the road or he's

01:29:51.949 --> 01:29:54.869
getting back onto the road. I definitely will

01:29:54.869 --> 01:29:56.750
give an endorsement towards his music because

01:29:56.750 --> 01:29:59.210
it's very, very good. So tell the audience where

01:29:59.210 --> 01:30:01.369
they can find some stuff about you. Yeah, it's

01:30:01.369 --> 01:30:05.229
all on donryanmusic .com. And, you know, you

01:30:05.229 --> 01:30:07.649
can find me on Facebook and wherever. Like, you

01:30:07.649 --> 01:30:10.810
know, I'm doing production these days. I'm actually

01:30:10.810 --> 01:30:14.970
just staying, like staying home, like doing home

01:30:14.970 --> 01:30:17.949
studio stuff and moving into a studio in Montclair

01:30:17.949 --> 01:30:20.750
this coming Saturday. So I'm doing, that's what

01:30:20.750 --> 01:30:22.609
I'm thinking to get into, just producing bands.

01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:26.100
like been producing my own stuff dude i love

01:30:26.100 --> 01:30:28.640
that but my god dude i've been to a couple of

01:30:28.640 --> 01:30:32.239
his shows you are a phenomenal performer your

01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:34.720
music is awesome dude so don't deprive the world

01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:36.779
man play some shows man i'd love to come out

01:30:36.779 --> 01:30:38.960
and awesome yeah i'll leave them wanting more

01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:43.239
for a bit i'll tease them i'll get back to it

01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:45.880
don again man thank you for coming on we'll do

01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:48.659
this again it's been awesome thank you don it's

01:30:48.659 --> 01:30:51.390
great it's a pleasure thank you awesome Take

01:30:51.390 --> 01:30:53.729
care. All right, ladies and gents, that was Mr.

01:30:53.869 --> 01:30:56.470
Don Ryan. Want to thank him again for coming

01:30:56.470 --> 01:31:00.270
on, a good friend of mine. Chad, how'd that feel

01:31:00.270 --> 01:31:03.010
to get a lot of that off of the chest right there?

01:31:03.289 --> 01:31:05.770
It was cathartic to talk about it, you know,

01:31:05.770 --> 01:31:09.689
therapeutic. Yeah, man. And how cool is that?

01:31:09.750 --> 01:31:12.909
They were really a fucking hard -ass heavy metal

01:31:12.909 --> 01:31:15.869
band, so to hear that Bob Borneman was really,

01:31:15.909 --> 01:31:19.250
you know, playing metal, it's so cool, dude.

01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:22.479
So cool. Uh, ladies and gentlemen, uh, the gracious

01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:26.060
to anywhere you want, uh, Facebook, Instagram,

01:31:26.220 --> 01:31:29.939
Twitch, Twitter, uh, for, uh, no, for Instagram,

01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:32.359
it's the underscore gracious underscore two,

01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:34.420
but check us out. We're putting out some cool

01:31:34.420 --> 01:31:36.319
shit. We're doing a lot of reels. We're doing

01:31:36.319 --> 01:31:39.859
these live shows every Tuesday. And, uh, I started

01:31:39.859 --> 01:31:42.619
fucking around with some AI art creation based

01:31:42.619 --> 01:31:45.239
on, uh, some alive songs. I'm going to bring

01:31:45.239 --> 01:31:47.829
some gracious few songs into it just to. have

01:31:47.829 --> 01:31:49.430
some more content for you all. You guys seem

01:31:49.430 --> 01:31:51.789
to like it and appreciate that stuff. And we

01:31:51.789 --> 01:31:54.350
appreciate you guys coming along every week.

01:31:54.350 --> 01:31:57.449
We appreciate your comments and it's only going

01:31:57.449 --> 01:31:59.609
to get more fun. So thank you guys. We got some

01:31:59.609 --> 01:32:02.590
cool stuff coming up at the end of August ish

01:32:02.590 --> 01:32:04.550
that we'll, we'll divulge, you know, a little

01:32:04.550 --> 01:32:06.989
bit closer to then, but Chad, you want to say

01:32:06.989 --> 01:32:09.229
anything to the audience? Thank you as always

01:32:09.229 --> 01:32:11.689
for checking us out, man. We'll see you next

01:32:11.689 --> 01:32:14.989
week. Yes, sir. Goodbye. And I got to stop at

01:32:14.989 --> 01:32:17.189
multiple places, so bear with me. Don't say anything.

01:32:17.409 --> 01:32:22.930
Peace. And stop it here.