The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 023 - Denese Longsworth

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We are live, ladies and gentlemen. Gracious Two

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back again. Hey, hey, hey. Yeah, episode 23,

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Michael Jordan status. What's up? That's right.

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That's my birthday number, too. 23. Oh, snap.

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And you're only 23 as far as your age goes, I

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think. I was right. That's how I feel. Yeah,

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buddy. When I try to go running. Yeah, right.

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You look in the mirror, you're like, all right,

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I feel young. And then, you know, you think you

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feel young. You start to do something exuberant

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or exhaustive. And you're like, oh, shit, I'm

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getting old. Yeah, I got to stick to walking

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or hiking now. Running does not agree with me

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anymore. Well, yeah, and it's rough on your knees,

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too, unless you're doing like an elliptical or

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something where, you know, it's less resistance.

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bashing on the knees they said more about my

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lower back at this point it's just my my last

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disc between l5 and and s1 is just jacked so

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you thinking about sorry but doing no all good

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you think about doing stem cells or something

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because i hear that you know with injecting stem

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cells and shit like that there's a lot of things

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that can be done and uh fixed you know with that

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you ever yeah i've been thinking about that i

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mean i'm not I did have a problem when I was

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moving and I hurt my back and I was laid up for

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like two, three, four weeks, whatever it was.

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And I couldn't really move that well, but it's

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back to normal now. So I can do normal things.

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Okay. I am thinking about stem cells because

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you've got to regenerate the disc. I've been,

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I have a, my friend let me borrow his inversion,

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like teeter hang up thing. Yeah. That's, that's

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been, you know, elongate your spine. Is that

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the one where you put your ankles in and then

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you flip upside down and it holds you by your

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ankles? Yes. Okay. Yeah. So I got that too. And

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that's okay. But there's one where it grabs you

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by your hips and then does it that way. Because

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if you do that inversion table, you could feel

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it in your lower back, but you feel a lot of

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pull like on your ankles. Yeah. I feel it on

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my knees too. Yeah. Yes. Whereas this, it bypasses

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your legs and just does from your hip. So all

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that weight is really. It's a lot better. I forget

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the name of it, but yeah. So I wanted to talk

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to you because last week you mentioned something

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about when you messed up your shoulder and then,

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you know. Elbow. Oh, elbow. I'm sorry. Elbow.

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Yes. I do that to little kids. I say, what comes

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after L? And they're like, M. I'm like, no, bow,

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elbow. And then I give them a little elbow right

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to the nose. But yeah, what's the capital of

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Bangkok? What is the capital of Thailand? I was

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going to say, wait a second. Right, right. That's

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what she said. But Chad, you mentioned something

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pretty cool last week with your elbow. You rather

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than, I guess, go through like surgery. Initially,

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you did some kind of TRT and hyperbaric chamber.

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You want to talk to us about that? Yeah, well,

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I mean, in 17, we had just. started playing like

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festivals that year we were supposed to do a

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festival in pasadena called arroyo secco around

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june and that wasn't going to happen on saturday

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that wednesday i was in my kitchen and my lovely

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lovely little girl london threw a little thing

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of macaroni and cheese i had just taken out of

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the microwave and hit hit a bowl across the counter

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that then knocked that onto the floor in front

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of me and i just stepped in and went like my

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leg just went oh So when I fall, I naturally

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put my right arm out to catch myself. And this

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time it popped the tricep tendon. 90 % torn off

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the elbow. Jeez. And the good positive part about

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it is it's tore off a giant bone spur that was

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on the end of my elbow from playing drums for

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33 years, whatever. Right. Well, it's actually

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in better shape than it was before this happened.

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Anyway, go to the doctor. They're like, okay,

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we've got to get surgery. I'm like, yeah, I guess

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you have to get surgery. It's a foreign tendon.

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What do you do? Right. But then I had gone to

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this other doctor that a friend of mine used

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to live in Ladera Ranch, and his name's Rob Johnson.

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He's an ex -football player, but his family physician

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was this guy, Dr. Mark Legone. And his specialty

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was orthopedic surgery, but he had then transitioned

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out of surgery more into longevity. Okay. And

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I went to him and he's, I showed him my MRI and

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all this stuff. And it's like, yeah, I don't

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think we need to do surgery. I'm like, what?

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Excuse me. If you trust me and follow me, you'll

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be back playing drums probably about six or seven

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weeks. Whereas the other way you'll be, you know,

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they'll do surgery. They'll mobilize you for

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six weeks at least. And immobilization basically

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is not for healing. It's just for pain. Okay.

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Pain. But then that causes a lot of scar tissue

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and, you know, you have to go then do rehab to

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work all that out. And that's another six, eight

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week process. He's like, so if you do it that

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way, you probably playing drums in like, you

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know, 12, 14, 16, maybe 20 weeks. You do it my

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way. You'd be playing like six, seven. I was

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like, okay. Second opinion consulted another

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orthopedic guy that I knew. And he's like, yeah,

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I mean, what he's saying, you, you should do

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will work. It's just a matter of, you know, whether

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you want to trust him or not. So what he proposed

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was Dr. Lagom, he would inject me with testosterone

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once a week. Okay. And this is bioidentical testosterone.

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And then he gave me another supplement to stop

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the estrogen being made. Because when you put

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too much testosterone in the male body, it will

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then make estrogen, which is not good, obviously.

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So he gave me a supplement to stop that. And

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then I was doing hyperbaric chamber on top of

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this. And the testosterone is amazing for the

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male body, obviously. I mean, it just does great

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things in the male body, let alone making you

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horny as hell. But that's a totally different

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conversation. But in this specific instance,

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it makes your body make bigger and longer -lasting

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red blood cells. Oh, my God. I thought you were

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going to say bigger and longer -lasting erections.

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Well, that too, but that's a whole different

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thing. So the bigger and longer -lasting red

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blood cells, then the hyperbaric chamber hyperoxygenates

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you, which then causes your body to make stem

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cells, which repair the torn ligament or torn

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tendon. Wow. And that's how I healed it. So in

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six weeks, I was playing drums again, basically

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full force. Seven weeks, I was... uh i could

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practice and play full force six weeks seven

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weeks and then about eight weeks nine weeks i

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was playing you know with the band full force

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again uh but that's when then chad was like we're

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gonna have two drummers and i was like that whole

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saga began i was like fuck you after you go through

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all that get yourself healed up quick so you

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could resume your duties exactly yes that was

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my whole intention to get back to where i could

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play as soon as I could so we could, you know,

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send Robin on his way and he can go do his thing.

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Great. And then instead I was like, oh, here,

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here you go. We're going to have two drummers.

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And I'm like, what? No. And that's it. So Chad,

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what exactly is a hyperbaric chamber? I've never

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been in one. I've heard it numerous times, but

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like, what is it? Are you laying in something

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like. There's a couple of different styles. The

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ones I use were sit, you sit in it and I just,

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it's like a big steel. not tube it's like a steel

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enclosure that they bolt like kind of looks like

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a like a big seat on the outside but steel has

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a couple windows in it but then they you sit

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in a chair they push you inside they close the

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door behind you and they seal it and then they

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uh over pressurize it with and mostly with oxygen

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so you can't take a phone or any electronics

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in it because you know that can cause a fire

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which it's kind of like what was the mercury

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or the guys that burn up in the capsule you don't

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want to do that Yeah. Space, you know, space

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program early on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So

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yeah, I had a complete, like I thought a hyperbaric

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chamber was almost like a float tank where you're

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like, you know, laying in water, it's heavily

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oxygen, but this is just like heavy oxygen, just

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like blowing on you, so to speak. No, it's not

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necessarily blowing. They just, it's, it's the

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over, they over pressurize it. So if you're about,

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I think two atmospheres or something like that,

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one and a half. compared to regular atmosphere

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and then just you know saturated with oxygen

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so there's nothing really blowing it's just you

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know sitting there and you're breathing normally

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and i was watching uh the first time i got in

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i was watching i love platoon so i started watching

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that movie but nice um anxiety started kicking

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in because it's like it's kind of and then i

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started to get a little claustrophobic and i

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was like i gotta get out yeah it takes a minute

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to get them out give you out it's not like you're

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like Let me out. And they're right out. It takes

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a little while. Oh, shit. So now I started watching

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Modern Family. So it keep me upbeat. Yeah. Yeah.

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I'm light, lighthearted. Yeah. All right. So

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I want to. But then there's also like acrylic

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tube styles that you lay in. That's what I would

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like. Yeah. Yeah. Like a tanning bed. Just get

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to lay there and let it do its thing. Basically.

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Yes. Yeah. So we did. So last Wednesday was young

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Bobby's birthday. So I just want to give him

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a shout out. Happy birthday. Happy birthday.

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Happy birthday to you. But did you watch the

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Putin interview on Tucker Carlson? Yeah, I made

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it through most of it. I mean, I got like 30

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minutes left. Yeah, I still have probably about

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30 minutes as well. I don't know if it – I mean,

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like, it's funny where he went through the whole

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history of Ukraine, which is interesting. Yeah.

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To, like, what, the 15th century or something

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like that? Yeah. I don't know. It's like, wow,

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okay. Yeah, I mean, I think overall it was hilarious

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to watch the mainstream media just, like, completely

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go after Tucker before he even came out. Like,

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he's a puppet. Hillary Clinton has to get her

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fucking ugly face on air and go, oh, yeah, he's

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a puppet of Putin. It's like, oh, my God, bitch,

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you fucking had a fake dossier that you paid

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for. Right. Anyway, yeah, it was an interesting

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interview. I mean, we'll see. Tucker's intense,

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man. When he's asking a question and Putin's

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talking, he's just staring into his eyes and

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fucking making his facial expressions. Like,

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Tucker is intense. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's funny.

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But I found it interesting. That was a long interview

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over two hours. He seemed to be, like Putin seemed

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to be telling the truth, whether it's his beliefs

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and they're fucking crazy is one thing, but he

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seemed to believe what he was saying. And it

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was refreshing to see somebody of that stature

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sit down for a long -form interview. Like, where

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are politicians doing that? It shows your human

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side, and it shows, like, you have nothing to

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hide, supposedly. No, Biden's not going to do

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that. We can't even get Biden to fucking debate.

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Right. Right. Anyway, it just showed like the,

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the guys, it also rested my mind. Like, you know,

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when they're, when, when Tucker's asking about

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like world war three and nuclear bombs, he's

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like, dude, that's not beneficial to nobody.

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That's your own government putting that in your

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brain. We don't want that. Like, thank you Putin

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for saying that. Where the fuck are our leaders

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saying that? Why do I got to hear it from fucking

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a Russian leader? Right. You know, you're scared.

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Keep you. right on your toes keeps you all fucking

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scared about russia russia russia you know yeah

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i mean you could see some of his bullshit rhetoric

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rhetoric in there where he's starting to talk

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about you know how the the one that the chinese

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dollar is being used so much more now that we

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put the sanctions against them he's just you

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could tell he's trying to put stuff out there

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like dude the wands worth garbage it'll never

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be a fucking global currency fuck off just because

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you're using it yeah it's the whole bricks thing

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is interesting side note i mean because you know

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I always talk about Peter Zian. He talked about

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BRICS right when it first started and they announced

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it. He's like, they don't have enough volume

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of cash to fucking circulate the amount of money

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that needs to be circulated for this to replace

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the US dollar. He's like, it ain't going to happen.

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Whether he's right or not, I don't know, but

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it seems to make sense. Well, I mean, the people

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that are really trading in that currency are

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fucking shitty states like Iran, Russia, like,

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you know, people that fucking, you know, need

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to get their shit together before they want to

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interact on a global stage properly, including

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China. You know what I'm saying? So it's like

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there's a reason why that dollar is worth what

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it's worth, even though their GDP is crazy high.

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And, you know, the fact that they manufacture

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everything. Nobody trusts you. You're fucking,

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the way you treat your own people is horrible.

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Can't imagine how you would treat the world that

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your country. Well, they're losing, they're losing

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manufacturing too. I mean, their manufacturing,

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the amount of stuff being made there is going

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down every month. People are pulling out, companies

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are pulling out, but not investing in China anymore.

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Right. You know, they're, they're fucked. I mean,

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Peter's, Peter's done several, Peter Zian has

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done several episodes about how this, how China

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is fucked in many ways. Just. demographically

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and then economically right have the demographics

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to support their whole economic growth at this

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point yes you're already kind of seeing the the

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beginnings of the of the fall but yeah it's more

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to come well when you had the one child policy

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you know and then you were really only letting

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in males and now you have like one and a half

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billion people i think like 780 million of them

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are males it's like they kind of went sour and

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we're doing the fucking wacky thing for a little

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bit and then oh yeah there's like 35 million

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men without at least 35 million men without an

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equivalent you know woman at least at least that's

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insane uh i'm gonna let in our guest miss denise

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longsworth she is a fellow podcaster i believe

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she has uh you know she has like a new jersey

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podcasters expo she does and a bunch of cool

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stuff like that so when she comes in we'll talk

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to her about that stuff um she spells her name

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cool denise d -e -n -e -s -e hello miss longsworth

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how are you or missus i think yes how are you

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doing can you guys hear me yes yeah feels fine

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hi nice to meet you Thank you, Chad. Thank you,

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John. Ola, Ola, look at you. You got the nets

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in the background. You got a snowboard. I promise

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this was not, this is how it was because my husband

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started getting into snowboarding. I'm like,

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now I look like I'm cool, but I'm not. My sister

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-in -law used to dance for, she was a cheerleader

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for the Nets for like a couple seasons. So yeah,

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yeah. How you guys doing? Doing well. So we're

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snowed in, huh? Right? Today? Right? Okay. I'm

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in Orange, California. I'm not snowed in, but

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my mom sent me pictures from Pennsylvania. I

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know John, right? You're in New Jersey. Yes,

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ma 'am. Yeah. We're snowed in. Oh, it's looking

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better though, actually. Yeah. Well, I think

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it's actually going to get worse throughout the

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day. And then like around midnight or so stopping

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it. Don't quote me on that. This is something

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I read a couple of days ago. So yeah, the weather

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changes so much. But Denise, I want to talk to

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you. We'll get into your podcast and stuff like

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that. But I believe you started like almost like

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a coalition for podcasters in New Jersey or maybe

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just like a way for podcasters from all over

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to get together. You want to talk to us about

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that? Tell us the name of it. Yes. So, yeah.

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So Podcasters of NJ started in 2019 in New Jersey,

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in North Jersey. And we would meet in the Audible

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building. Right. If people are from New Jersey,

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Rutgers has the Audible building on the seventh

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floor with this podcast. Newark Venture Partners,

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Anthony Frazier, who's huge in the podcast industry

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now for children. He invited me to start doing

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a meetup and that's how it started. And we've

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been kind of rocking ever since. And then 2020

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came and we were shut down. So we were doing

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stuff through IG Live and we just actually did

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our first in -person in October. We did something

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with sounder .ai and, you know, shout out to

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Brittany Kondobovich and a few of her team that

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we did. AI to support podcasters to understand

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what AI is going on. So we're looking forward

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to coming back in person. We have the Facebook

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group and it's been almost five years and it's

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been great because I didn't realize how many

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podcasters were in New Jersey. And I started

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it because everything was in New York, even though

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where I'm located, it's 25, 30 minutes. It just

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always seemed like we had to go on the other

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side. I'm like, why don't we do something here

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in Jersey? And that's how it started. I love

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it. So you guys were basically just getting rolling

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in 2019 and then come March 2020, the lockdowns

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came in. I guess you course corrected or whatever

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to try and keep up with what was going on. You

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started doing Instagram. Yes. Very cool. Yes,

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yes. We did that for like almost two years. And

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then in 2022, I ended up getting married. And

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then, you know, I got my license to become a

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licensed social worker and I'm in private practice.

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So, you know, I still manage the group and we're

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coming back in person, but not every month. We

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were committed every month. And it's a little

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difficult to do that, you know? Sure, sure. I

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mean, definitely it was a lot easier when everybody

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was on lockdown and pretty much right to do.

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But yeah, trying to get everybody together now

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is kind of crazy. but i like the uh that you're

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thinking about doing in person and stuff like

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that because that's it's a good thing and like

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you said new jersey's got a ton of uh a ton of

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podcasters yeah yeah a lot of great ones too

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i mean you know sounders out here i know marla

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sack she has um awesome network which has like

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i think over like thousands of podcasts um particularly

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for women i met a lot of great people you know

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creating the facebook page and doing the group

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and bringing it back in person is something that

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we're you know hoping to do at least once every

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few months you know to have everybody back in

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or maybe biannually or something right yeah good

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way to get the camaraderie together and stuff

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So talk to me about the last meeting you guys

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had. You said it was basically about AI and how

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that's going to be going with podcasts in the

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future. Is there any... information there that

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we should know about chatting myself for this

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podcast? Yeah, yes. So, you know, interesting

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enough, we did it around Newark, New Jersey,

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they have a big Newark tech week. So we took

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a lot of people who were not just podcasters,

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people that were in the tech space, whether they

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were, you know, entrepreneurs and sustainability,

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all types of people, and they showed up and did

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it at a Newark Beers venue. And it came with

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a report. So there was a report done in 2023.

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And it was about brand safety and awareness using

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AI and machine learning language. So basically

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with Soundr, their specialty is to assist different

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podcasters with that part, right? What's the

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safety of your brand? What are advertisers looking

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for? And they particularly did a report with

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Urban One, whose radio one was, you know, and

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their subsidiary, which is a podcast network.

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And to talk about the language, especially, particularly

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in - Black podcasting and how they, you know,

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were missing out on monetization opportunities

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because of the Ebonics or the lingo that they

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use, right? You know, African, I guess people

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call it Ebonics, but it's the terminology. Like

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if they say, oh, that's so dope or that's, you

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know, kill that or, you know, I'm dying. Like

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these terminologies, some of the machine languages

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for other AI were picking it up as, you know,

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warnings or not brand safety things. So they...

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analyze that and it was important for people

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to understand not only with the african -american

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culture and just in their lingo other types of

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slang that's being picked up in a certain way

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and you know sounders perfecting it and their

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you know machine learning their ai you know were

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like was like 92 percent more accurate than others

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so i thought that was really important you know

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to to bring to the community um one of the the

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guys who i work with his name is cory gums from

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the black podcasters association he put that

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um He put that report. I'm part of their group.

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And then I shared it. So I asked him. I asked

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Urban One's podcast network operations person.

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And, you know, the CFO now of Sounder, you know,

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Mrs. Brittany Kandobovich, you know, she was

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amazing. They all came out, Carolyn from their

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team. So it was really important. We had about

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100 and we had 200 people who registered and

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had about 130 people show up. We did that in

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Newark Beers, like a beer garden. So it was good

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for people to understand. what machine language

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is and what AI is doing to perfect. Because even

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in certain cultures, whereas there's music, whether

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it's in Latino culture or the black and brown

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communities, there's certain lingos that can

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be flagged down for your brand awareness. Whether,

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you know, I know you guys do music -based podcasting

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or certain things that you do, right? That will

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be picked up and you might lose out on monetization

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if whatever AI function that you're using isn't.

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hearing it accurately like we know with the smart

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devices and things like that so I thought it

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was important and you know we did around tech

00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.559
week so we had a good start so that that's pretty

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much the summary it's a lot I can send you the

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report if you want to see it's like eight pages

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it's like a white paper but it was really interesting

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because I think more studies like this like even

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in the culture of music and terminologies and

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things that are used right that we say can be

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flagged out. Like, you know, brand awareness

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is just kind of understanding where your brand

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stands and the safety of what the listener's

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listening to. You know, there's a lot of restrictions

00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:34.839
even in podcasting still, you know, with politics,

00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:38.099
different diet, FDA unapproved supplements and

00:22:38.099 --> 00:22:39.960
things like that. So I thought it was important

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to talk about that. Yeah. I'm almost shocked

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that they didn't, you know, these people making

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the open AI language models, they didn't think

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to include like Ebonics or styles. Yeah. like

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it's almost a no -brainer to to do that you know

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Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, it's still machine,

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right? You know, it's still learning too. You

00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:02.380
know what I mean? So, and then actually, you

00:23:02.380 --> 00:23:04.400
know, I posted in the group and I will share

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this with you guys. They actually have a new

00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:09.640
tool. Tim Kelly's like head of branding. He reached

00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:12.140
out to me from Sounder and it's an AI tool. I

00:23:12.140 --> 00:23:13.940
will put it in the chat and I'll send it to you.

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It's in the page. It's pretty much helping you

00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:18.579
just, you know, strategize for your podcast,

00:23:18.740 --> 00:23:21.559
do your podcast notes and everything through

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his one and all tool. It's really, really cool.

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So that came out. relationship and you know we

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you know we've been in communication ever since

00:23:29.420 --> 00:23:32.079
just trying to improve and have people improve

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and understand what you know sounders doing sounder

00:23:34.740 --> 00:23:37.400
um ai for podcasting because they they did hosting

00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:39.680
previously and they no longer do that anymore

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that's awesome that's awesome uh i was getting

00:23:42.980 --> 00:23:45.299
word that my mic is low but it sounds okay to

00:23:45.299 --> 00:23:47.400
me so for people out there i apologize if that

00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:52.779
is the case um so good okay so it's better there

00:23:52.779 --> 00:23:56.160
you go all righty then Well, so that's really

00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:00.440
good. Have you used AI for any of your own podcasting?

00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:03.460
Like I started to do it for the descriptions.

00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:07.759
You just send out the video. It, I guess, creates

00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:10.180
a transcript and then breaks it down and makes

00:24:10.180 --> 00:24:11.880
a description for you. Have you messed with any

00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:16.569
of that? Yeah, I mess with more so chat GPT and

00:24:16.569 --> 00:24:18.869
creating like some of the event stuff that we

00:24:18.869 --> 00:24:20.829
did, some of the descriptions I've used at that,

00:24:20.890 --> 00:24:23.069
but not in that way yet. Because I'm actually

00:24:23.069 --> 00:24:25.609
on my second season of the podcast that I have

00:24:25.609 --> 00:24:27.789
that I have to continue working on to put it

00:24:27.789 --> 00:24:31.869
out sometime soon. Ah, do you find because with

00:24:31.869 --> 00:24:35.190
me, I find that the fun part is doing the podcast

00:24:35.190 --> 00:24:38.710
and then all the stuff that comes with posting

00:24:38.710 --> 00:24:41.349
the episodes, making descriptions and doing.

00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:43.400
you know, making reels, all that stuff. That

00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:46.039
becomes like the tedious part that I don't like

00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:48.900
to do. Do you have similar feelings or are you

00:24:48.900 --> 00:24:52.680
into the back end stuff? I have similar feelings

00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:55.299
sometimes. You know, I've used, I use live, I

00:24:55.299 --> 00:24:58.079
do, my God, not live stream. What's the, why

00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:01.059
can't I even think of the name? No, no, the one

00:25:01.059 --> 00:25:03.039
that was bought out by Hopit. Why can't I think

00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:06.319
of the name of it? And I use it, it's, It'll

00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:08.880
come to me. But what I was saying that I've used

00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:11.200
Descript. Descript is the one that you can kind

00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:13.279
of edit with the words. That's the one that's

00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:15.839
been really important. And also using a platform

00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.819
either like Zoom or the one that I don't know

00:25:18.819 --> 00:25:20.539
why I can't remember the name of it right now

00:25:20.539 --> 00:25:22.480
because that's what happens. Because they're

00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:25.140
not paying you. That's why. Right, right. And

00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:27.839
that's true. I use the video to rewind and to

00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:30.130
edit. And kind of stay away from like the audacity

00:25:30.130 --> 00:25:32.930
or any of the stuff unless I have to do it. So

00:25:32.930 --> 00:25:35.210
it is tedious to me. But I luckily, you know,

00:25:35.250 --> 00:25:37.710
I have my partner. She's one of the founders

00:25:37.710 --> 00:25:39.950
of Podcasting New Jersey. Her name is Ann Smith.

00:25:40.150 --> 00:25:42.849
She loves to edit. She loves to do things like

00:25:42.849 --> 00:25:44.609
that. So that's always good to have someone that

00:25:44.609 --> 00:25:46.549
offset those things that you don't like to do.

00:25:46.569 --> 00:25:49.190
And shout out to her. She got her master's and,

00:25:49.230 --> 00:25:51.670
you know, she's doing really great now. And she's

00:25:51.670 --> 00:25:54.410
not in the New Jersey area anymore. So we missed

00:25:54.410 --> 00:25:56.190
her. But, you know, obviously still work together

00:25:56.190 --> 00:25:59.519
virtually. So, yeah, she likes to do that. So

00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:02.759
I'm lucky that I have that. For sure. Because

00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:06.420
I'm like counting down the days where we could

00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:09.779
just input the full episode into some AI source

00:26:09.779 --> 00:26:12.400
and they go and make the reels, the description,

00:26:12.579 --> 00:26:17.000
all the shit that I don't want to. What is it,

00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:19.819
Chad? That's got to be coming. Totally. Oh, for

00:26:19.819 --> 00:26:22.200
sure. For sure. I'm going to send you guys the

00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.599
tool and I'll email it to you now. So, you know,

00:26:25.619 --> 00:26:27.900
if you guys want to try it out, it's for you

00:26:27.900 --> 00:26:30.480
to start your podcast with primarily. I didn't

00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:32.039
use it because I'm not starting another podcast.

00:26:32.099 --> 00:26:34.420
I'm doing a season two so that you guys can have

00:26:34.420 --> 00:26:36.380
it. And it's just, you know, to try because it

00:26:36.380 --> 00:26:38.359
does some of those things, not edited fully,

00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:40.779
but it does a lot of the things that we're talking

00:26:40.779 --> 00:26:43.500
about now. And I'll send it to you. Absolutely.

00:26:43.660 --> 00:26:46.319
Thank you. It's called the Sounder Promo Hub.

00:26:46.969 --> 00:26:49.930
So that's the name. And it's free for right now.

00:26:49.970 --> 00:26:53.490
It pretty much does media posts for you, podcast

00:26:53.490 --> 00:26:56.329
episodes, all in a push of a button. It's really,

00:26:56.390 --> 00:26:58.269
really simple. I tried to mess around with it.

00:26:58.329 --> 00:27:00.750
And I'll send it to your email now since I'm

00:27:00.750 --> 00:27:03.170
on the computer. And that way you can take a

00:27:03.170 --> 00:27:06.930
look at it. Appreciate you for sure. Yeah. So,

00:27:06.970 --> 00:27:10.829
Denise, what kind of topics do you get into on

00:27:10.829 --> 00:27:12.829
your podcast that you're going into season two

00:27:12.829 --> 00:27:16.349
for? Do you get political at all? Are you worried

00:27:16.349 --> 00:27:18.710
about anything going on in the world right now?

00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:24.079
Talk to me. Okay, so. My podcast that I actually

00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:26.619
had a podcast, I still do have a podcast network.

00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:28.400
You know, we did affiliates. We did a bunch of

00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:30.039
things for a while. In the last year, we've been

00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:32.079
kind of quiet and I had five different shows.

00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.180
I had a show called PodCypher that I did for

00:27:34.180 --> 00:27:37.079
two seasons where we did talk with other podcasters.

00:27:37.099 --> 00:27:39.140
And that wasn't a thing in 2020. Not everybody

00:27:39.140 --> 00:27:42.339
does that about politics, you know, social trends

00:27:42.339 --> 00:27:43.880
and things that were going on that were very

00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:46.339
heightened at that time. But the podcast currently

00:27:46.339 --> 00:27:48.720
that I'm doing is called Creencias, which means

00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:52.160
belief in English. I'm from originally I was

00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:54.140
born in the Dominican Republic, but I've been

00:27:54.140 --> 00:27:56.200
in the United States since I was four years old.

00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:00.500
So I speak Spanish and I write it and I can read

00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:04.079
it. So Crencias is based loosely based on the

00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:07.240
way that I grew up in the 90s with my grandmother

00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:09.819
and it's fictionalized. So I did like three fictional

00:28:09.819 --> 00:28:13.579
episodes and then I did. three live interviews

00:28:13.579 --> 00:28:15.859
with Latinx creatives that talked about their

00:28:15.859 --> 00:28:19.619
beliefs, their rituals, things that they take

00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:21.940
with them from when they were younger. And my

00:28:21.940 --> 00:28:24.400
grandmother was a spiritual consultant, which

00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:27.759
was something in the 1990s that was very hard

00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:30.369
for people to understand. Right. Now you have

00:28:30.369 --> 00:28:33.369
people that talk about energy and tarot and the,

00:28:33.410 --> 00:28:35.609
the, the syncretism with the Catholic religion

00:28:35.609 --> 00:28:37.750
and paganism and, and, you know, these things,

00:28:37.849 --> 00:28:40.230
which that's how I was raised, but I fictionalized

00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:42.569
it a little bit, you know, and that's pretty

00:28:42.569 --> 00:28:45.329
much we're on season two. We have seven episodes,

00:28:45.390 --> 00:28:48.049
but you know, my sound designer ended up, you

00:28:48.049 --> 00:28:50.109
know, she, I hope shout out to her that she's

00:28:50.109 --> 00:28:52.250
good. And now we're coming back to do things

00:28:52.250 --> 00:28:54.029
because some of us were sick during the holiday.

00:28:54.130 --> 00:28:56.730
So, but pretty much that's my podcast. That's

00:28:56.730 --> 00:28:58.390
the one that I'm coming out with second season

00:28:58.390 --> 00:29:01.319
now. That is pretty dope. I like your concept.

00:29:01.380 --> 00:29:04.940
So you basically tell your life, but in a kind

00:29:04.940 --> 00:29:08.420
of fictional way. Yeah. Yeah. The first couple

00:29:08.420 --> 00:29:10.319
episodes and then you interview people based

00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:14.140
on. Yes. Yes. They really cool format. Thank

00:29:14.140 --> 00:29:16.039
you. Yeah. Because some people, you know, I have

00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.500
one of the interviewers. She's a podcast coach

00:29:19.500 --> 00:29:21.339
and she's also a life coach. And she talks about

00:29:21.339 --> 00:29:23.160
when she was in a particular religion. Then I

00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:25.059
have another one or another woman. They're all

00:29:25.059 --> 00:29:26.779
from the West Coast, which is. you know, very

00:29:26.779 --> 00:29:29.380
interesting because I'm part of a big group that

00:29:29.380 --> 00:29:31.259
is predominantly out on the West Coast. They're

00:29:31.259 --> 00:29:33.180
all usually from California, most of the people

00:29:33.180 --> 00:29:35.519
that I got to interview. So it was cool. I mean,

00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:37.980
it was cool to tell my story because it did something

00:29:37.980 --> 00:29:41.059
for me since I am a therapist now and I work

00:29:41.059 --> 00:29:44.339
with all types of people. I felt like my grandmother

00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:47.839
was that catalyst. She kind of was that for the

00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.059
community that I was in. And it was kind of like

00:29:50.059 --> 00:29:53.319
a, you know, coming to. coming of age for me

00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:55.039
and it clicked I'm like I should have told this

00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.339
because there were funny things that we would

00:29:57.339 --> 00:29:59.460
believe and do really strange things and I'm

00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:01.380
like what is this why are we throwing salt behind

00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:04.380
us like why are we like you know not looking

00:30:04.380 --> 00:30:07.220
back when we're dry like just really interesting

00:30:07.220 --> 00:30:10.599
things that were so embarrassing i felt to me

00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.400
at the time but i at the time and now i understand

00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:15.640
it so it was really cool to tell like three special

00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.420
stories with her and she's still alive i actually

00:30:18.420 --> 00:30:21.099
saw her in the dominican republic this past um

00:30:21.099 --> 00:30:24.839
summer she's gonna be 87 in a couple of weeks

00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:29.670
she no longer yeah yeah so yeah So isn't that

00:30:29.670 --> 00:30:31.730
kind of a cool discovery, things that you're

00:30:31.730 --> 00:30:33.829
embarrassed about, but then kind of talk about

00:30:33.829 --> 00:30:36.509
publicly and then realize, hey, people have some

00:30:36.509 --> 00:30:38.789
of the same things going on and can relate. That's

00:30:38.789 --> 00:30:42.210
like it's eye opening and kind of cool. Did you

00:30:42.210 --> 00:30:45.950
get that experience or? Yeah, I did. I did actually,

00:30:46.049 --> 00:30:48.230
especially with the second season, I interviewed

00:30:48.230 --> 00:30:51.269
a woman who, you know, she's into similar things

00:30:51.269 --> 00:30:53.819
that my grandmother was in. certain type of rituals.

00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.500
And there's something that she spoke about where

00:30:56.500 --> 00:30:59.579
we do still to this day, like in our culture

00:30:59.579 --> 00:31:02.240
and certain Latin cultures too, when you see

00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.599
someone like your mom or an elder, you say, Sion

00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.579
Tia, Sion Mami. Sion means bendición, which means

00:31:08.579 --> 00:31:11.359
blessing, short for blessing. So she spoke about

00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.200
that being something that she carried on with

00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.460
her grandkids, that they would say to her, Sion

00:31:15.460 --> 00:31:17.460
Abuela, that means like, bless you, grandma.

00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:19.619
And she says, bless you too. That's the first

00:31:19.619 --> 00:31:22.380
salutation that you would say to someone. And

00:31:22.380 --> 00:31:24.940
it's something that I still do with my mom sometimes.

00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:29.400
And it's very interesting that she spoke about

00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:31.720
that. And it's like what you just said, it kind

00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:33.220
of clicked like, wow, that's something that.

00:31:33.529 --> 00:31:35.630
I only thought I did. I don't know why our family

00:31:35.630 --> 00:31:37.650
did, but it's something that, you know, most

00:31:37.650 --> 00:31:39.710
maybe Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Cuban or any

00:31:39.710 --> 00:31:42.910
from Latin America, you know, still do. That

00:31:42.910 --> 00:31:46.089
was pretty cool. So it seems like there's a lot

00:31:46.089 --> 00:31:48.950
of mutual respect in your family, both from,

00:31:48.950 --> 00:31:51.369
you know, the elders to the lower people. Right.

00:31:51.549 --> 00:31:54.130
You feel like that's getting lost either in American

00:31:54.130 --> 00:31:57.130
society or just in society in general today?

00:31:58.299 --> 00:32:02.799
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I do feel there is some of those

00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:05.279
things, man, that have changed. And I would say

00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.859
it's, you know, I'm not speaking from someone

00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:10.480
who, you know, was born in Dominican Republic

00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.000
and came here at four years old. I love the Dominican

00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:15.200
Republic, but I'm an American citizen. You know,

00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.099
I had to pay to be gone because that's how it

00:32:17.099 --> 00:32:19.359
worked for me. But my brother was born here.

00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.039
You know, my son was half Dominican. He was born

00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.200
here. So it's about assimilating and understanding

00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.460
within your family. What are the boundaries and

00:32:28.460 --> 00:32:31.619
things you practice? That's important to pass

00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:33.799
down to your kids. And not saying that it's not

00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:35.839
happening, but there's just so much information

00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:39.519
out there. You want to be a TikTokologist? You

00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.190
can go on TikTok and learn everything. You can

00:32:42.190 --> 00:32:46.029
learn how to not to eat well. So don't eat cinnamon.

00:32:46.150 --> 00:32:48.170
Don't eat fish. Don't eat meat. It's just so

00:32:48.170 --> 00:32:49.650
many different types of opinions because we're

00:32:49.650 --> 00:32:51.710
all individuals. And I agree with you. I feel

00:32:51.710 --> 00:32:54.089
like it's getting lost, but it's also the responsibility

00:32:54.089 --> 00:32:57.789
of our families and our supportive groups to

00:32:57.789 --> 00:33:00.210
kind of continue that. Like, you know, we can't

00:33:00.210 --> 00:33:03.410
put everything on social media and on the government.

00:33:03.509 --> 00:33:05.829
I mean, come on now. We already know how that's

00:33:05.829 --> 00:33:09.069
happening right now. It's a lot. So I feel like

00:33:09.069 --> 00:33:10.980
there is some of that. And I think it's a responsibility

00:33:10.980 --> 00:33:13.339
to shift it back to the family and those things.

00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:14.839
Because I say that to my son. I'm like, hey,

00:33:14.859 --> 00:33:17.259
listen, you know, you see this person. And there's

00:33:17.259 --> 00:33:20.000
a lot of autonomy in the United States when we

00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:23.279
speak about the culture of where I'm from. In

00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:25.500
my household, my mother would be like, and then

00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:28.160
I'm like, okay. You know, now it's like kids

00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.599
be like, well, you're triggering me. That's giving

00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:33.539
me anxiety. Like they know what to say because

00:33:33.539 --> 00:33:36.000
they have to be exposed to so much. And they

00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:40.289
can weaponize it. Yes. Robert. Robert, hi. He's

00:33:40.289 --> 00:33:43.150
like a producer. He pulls clips and stuff like

00:33:43.150 --> 00:33:45.589
that. And he types to us in the chat, so that's

00:33:45.589 --> 00:33:47.750
what you're seeing. Yeah. So that's what happens.

00:33:47.930 --> 00:33:49.569
That's what happens. I think it's the family

00:33:49.569 --> 00:33:51.529
that has to, depending what type of family. It

00:33:51.529 --> 00:33:53.490
doesn't have to be mom and dad. It could be dad

00:33:53.490 --> 00:33:55.809
and dad, mom and mom. However, grandma, whoever's

00:33:55.809 --> 00:33:58.410
raising you, it's just about those traditions

00:33:58.410 --> 00:34:00.710
and those things to kind of remind them. Because

00:34:00.710 --> 00:34:03.049
they might not do it, but at least you're showing

00:34:03.049 --> 00:34:06.430
them. Right. You know? That's on them. I like

00:34:06.430 --> 00:34:09.380
what you said, Denise, because... It is still

00:34:09.380 --> 00:34:11.760
on the people. So whether our governments or

00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.900
foreign governments are giving us wrong information

00:34:14.900 --> 00:34:17.699
or doing propaganda, it's still on the people

00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:21.440
to rise above and be better than that and do

00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.360
it. So I like what you said with that. We have

00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.440
to take some responsibility for our own actions

00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.079
and for ourselves, even if the people leading

00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.639
us are trying to blindly lead us into a fire.

00:34:32.739 --> 00:34:35.340
We got to realize, hey, that's hot and change

00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:40.429
course. So very, very well said, to be honest,

00:34:40.570 --> 00:34:44.070
impressed. Thank you. I mean, it's just I don't

00:34:44.070 --> 00:34:46.750
because I do therapy. Right. And I've been in

00:34:46.750 --> 00:34:48.590
private practice, which means if no one understands

00:34:48.590 --> 00:34:50.530
what that is, it's for people who have private

00:34:50.530 --> 00:34:52.250
insurance, whether it's from, you know, their

00:34:52.250 --> 00:34:55.630
husband, their job. You know, I don't deal with

00:34:55.630 --> 00:34:57.929
I've worked in agencies where it's been Medicaid

00:34:57.929 --> 00:35:00.869
or Medicare. I've done that. particularly where

00:35:00.869 --> 00:35:04.570
i'm at i see a lot of that rhetoric where you

00:35:04.570 --> 00:35:07.170
know we have traumas we have things but when

00:35:07.170 --> 00:35:08.690
are we going to take responsibility from some

00:35:08.690 --> 00:35:10.809
of the choices and decisions that we also made

00:35:10.809 --> 00:35:13.769
because of the trauma because of the issues and

00:35:13.769 --> 00:35:15.769
and i feel like that word is thrown around you

00:35:15.769 --> 00:35:17.750
know so it's like how do we take responsibility

00:35:17.750 --> 00:35:19.570
so when you ask that that was one of the things

00:35:19.570 --> 00:35:22.389
i said i have to be responsible what i'm bringing

00:35:22.389 --> 00:35:24.969
to my family and understand that if i don't do

00:35:24.969 --> 00:35:26.429
it they're not just going to learn it they're

00:35:26.429 --> 00:35:27.650
going to learn it from somewhere else especially

00:35:27.650 --> 00:35:31.550
now right you know And also the other thing I

00:35:31.550 --> 00:35:33.949
like that you said is that people are using words

00:35:33.949 --> 00:35:36.230
and kind of weaponizing them, like saying, oh,

00:35:36.269 --> 00:35:37.789
you're triggering me and stuff like that. When

00:35:37.789 --> 00:35:39.849
you're really not triggering them, they're just

00:35:39.849 --> 00:35:42.429
saying that because it's almost like, oh, I got

00:35:42.429 --> 00:35:45.150
you. Now you can't press further because I'm

00:35:45.150 --> 00:35:48.469
saying that you're triggering me. So I want to

00:35:48.469 --> 00:35:52.090
hear it's like, yeah, right. No, right, right.

00:35:52.829 --> 00:35:57.389
It's easy to manipulate a person's words and

00:35:57.389 --> 00:35:59.610
turn them into evil when they're not coming from

00:35:59.610 --> 00:36:01.650
an evil place. And it seems like a lot of that

00:36:01.650 --> 00:36:04.590
is being done nowadays. Whereas you're asking

00:36:04.590 --> 00:36:06.869
a question to learn something and somebody's

00:36:06.869 --> 00:36:09.050
like, oh, that's a racist question you just asked.

00:36:09.130 --> 00:36:11.789
Well, it's a question I'm asking. I'm not being

00:36:11.789 --> 00:36:14.769
racist with it. I really want an answer. So it

00:36:14.769 --> 00:36:17.510
definitely weaponized your words, your questions.

00:36:17.530 --> 00:36:21.019
So I do like that. I have a question for you.

00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.760
This might be this is a hard question maybe to

00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.860
answer. So you're somebody who, like you said,

00:36:26.900 --> 00:36:29.460
was born in Dominican Republic, came over age

00:36:29.460 --> 00:36:32.900
four. So now you're a naturalized citizen. And

00:36:32.900 --> 00:36:35.760
I commend. Yes. Good for you. Good for you. That's

00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.800
a lot of work to do and good for your family

00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:42.039
to do that. What are your feelings going on with

00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:44.699
our open borders and on the southern border right

00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:51.139
now? You know, it's very tough. It's a lot. There's

00:36:51.139 --> 00:36:54.739
a lot to really speak on that. I think one of

00:36:54.739 --> 00:36:57.860
the things for me, being someone who came with

00:36:57.860 --> 00:37:00.960
a residency, right, at the time it was called

00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.460
a green card because the card used to be green,

00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:06.119
right? And when you read it, it says permanent

00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:11.880
alien residence. Yeah, baby. Alien. So that means

00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.760
I'm already coming into this country, right,

00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:18.559
as an alien. Now, the terminology alien and I'm

00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:21.699
a kind of words person speaks about out of this

00:37:21.699 --> 00:37:25.760
world, you know, someone who who is, you know,

00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:29.079
extraterrestrial. Right. So me being young, I

00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:32.159
remember seeing that and it kind of like. Hit

00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.440
me like an alien. So I didn't become a naturalized

00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:38.260
citizen until I was, I'm going to be 42 in July.

00:37:38.460 --> 00:37:41.460
So I didn't become a naturalized citizen. I was

00:37:41.460 --> 00:37:44.579
27. I wanted to be old enough to understand.

00:37:44.659 --> 00:37:46.719
I wanted to be old enough to understand because

00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:49.239
the process, when you're doing the oath, you

00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:51.980
are, if Dominican Republic and United States

00:37:51.980 --> 00:37:55.519
go into war, I have to ride with the United States.

00:37:55.659 --> 00:37:58.679
Right. Even if my lineage, because. the oath,

00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.440
the questions, the process. So with the borders

00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:03.519
thing, it's a little bit difficult for me to

00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.840
fully understand because I've worked with asylum

00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:10.659
people who've come from asylum, whether it was

00:38:10.659 --> 00:38:13.780
from Ecuador, I've worked with people who've

00:38:13.780 --> 00:38:16.820
crossed and literally like the term, crossed

00:38:16.820 --> 00:38:21.159
the borders and they are escaping horrors over

00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:25.590
there and violence over there. I, you know, came

00:38:25.590 --> 00:38:28.010
in with a permanent alien residency. You know,

00:38:28.070 --> 00:38:30.650
I guess, quote unquote, we did it the right way.

00:38:31.210 --> 00:38:34.130
You know, my father and my mom left me in the

00:38:34.130 --> 00:38:35.630
country for a year and a half. My grandparents

00:38:35.630 --> 00:38:37.210
did what they need to do to bring me. That's

00:38:37.210 --> 00:38:39.690
what's the process. So what's happening in the

00:38:39.690 --> 00:38:41.949
border right now and opening it, I know that

00:38:41.949 --> 00:38:44.530
our hearts are in the right place, but we really

00:38:44.530 --> 00:38:48.059
need to understand. What is the goal of what

00:38:48.059 --> 00:38:51.239
are we doing with that? How are we helping these

00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.300
people? How long is it going to be for? What

00:38:54.300 --> 00:38:56.780
are the measures we're taking to secure some

00:38:56.780 --> 00:38:58.800
of the traumas? And how are we going to be able

00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.199
to understand? Like, we just need to, what's

00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:04.619
the plan? That's where I'm at. What are we doing?

00:39:04.820 --> 00:39:07.239
And that's what's kind of getting lost in the

00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.099
media attention. And even, I went to New York

00:39:10.099 --> 00:39:12.980
City. I was just there Saturday. It's evident

00:39:12.980 --> 00:39:15.880
there's some things. going on that's going to

00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.900
happen. Whether it is that we are going to ask

00:39:18.900 --> 00:39:20.360
the right questions to these people. Are we going

00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:22.480
to have it for a limited time? How long are we

00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:23.900
going to do this? Because for me to sit here

00:39:23.900 --> 00:39:25.460
and be like, you know what? They shouldn't come

00:39:25.460 --> 00:39:27.199
to this country. They shouldn't do that. I'm

00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:33.239
here. Who am I? I'm here. I love my country,

00:39:33.260 --> 00:39:36.659
the Dominican Republic, but I live here. That's

00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:39.039
why that permanent alien residency to become

00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:41.699
a naturalized citizen. Then you're more integrated

00:39:41.699 --> 00:39:44.860
in the community, in my experience, to be more

00:39:44.860 --> 00:39:46.139
responsible. Because then you have people who

00:39:46.139 --> 00:39:47.880
do come from different countries who are getting

00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:49.440
what they need here and are still thinking about

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.980
going to the country. That's fine. But for my

00:39:51.980 --> 00:39:54.440
family, the way that I did it, to me, you know,

00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:56.760
this is where I'm home at. I love Dominican Republic.

00:39:57.179 --> 00:39:58.739
I've been to Puerto Rico. I have family that's

00:39:58.739 --> 00:40:00.659
Puerto Rican, too. You know, would I retire?

00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:03.920
Maybe. But I think we need to understand. What's

00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:05.500
the end goal? What are we doing to help these

00:40:05.500 --> 00:40:07.300
people? What's going to happen? How long is this

00:40:07.300 --> 00:40:10.119
happening for? What is the plan? And I know where's

00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:12.260
the money coming from? We know where that's coming

00:40:12.260 --> 00:40:14.300
from, right? Because when you talk about these

00:40:14.300 --> 00:40:17.599
privileges we have here, like, you know, government

00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:21.139
help, a lot of countries don't have that. Right.

00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:22.679
Other than the United States. I know Dominican

00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.059
Republic up until not too long ago, you know,

00:40:25.059 --> 00:40:27.960
they don't really have like, you know, like SNAP,

00:40:27.980 --> 00:40:30.739
you know, WIC, these things that we have here.

00:40:31.190 --> 00:40:33.269
Because we do got to take care of us to continue

00:40:33.269 --> 00:40:36.670
to live. But my whole problem with the whole

00:40:36.670 --> 00:40:38.269
situation, I don't say it's a problem. I need

00:40:38.269 --> 00:40:41.190
to understand more. Those questions need to be

00:40:41.190 --> 00:40:43.809
answered to me. So then I can make a decision

00:40:43.809 --> 00:40:46.869
and based off the things I value and my priorities

00:40:46.869 --> 00:40:49.030
and the things for my family as to whether or

00:40:49.030 --> 00:40:51.110
not is that something that I'm okay with or not.

00:40:51.309 --> 00:40:54.110
Because I'm, I'm an immigrant. Like I came from,

00:40:54.170 --> 00:40:56.070
you know what I'm saying? I speak Spanish. Like

00:40:56.070 --> 00:40:57.750
I go and I see my people and I'm like, oh, I

00:40:57.750 --> 00:41:01.099
see, you know. I know there's opportunities in

00:41:01.099 --> 00:41:05.179
this country. I have privilege. I have a master's

00:41:05.179 --> 00:41:08.300
degree. I'm a therapist, right? Privilege is

00:41:08.300 --> 00:41:10.719
not only about anything that's color -based,

00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:13.340
race -based. It's also about the resources and

00:41:13.340 --> 00:41:15.119
the extension of those resources that you have,

00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:17.980
even if you are brown, black, Latino, Caucasian,

00:41:17.980 --> 00:41:19.960
whatever. I just need to understand what's happening.

00:41:20.099 --> 00:41:23.219
Maybe I haven't really been... Paying too much

00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:25.059
attention because, like I said, it's a soft spot

00:41:25.059 --> 00:41:28.639
for me because I work with a lot of people from

00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:32.500
Ecuador, Peru, Colombia, up until like a year

00:41:32.500 --> 00:41:35.000
and a half ago that they would love to stay in

00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:36.320
contact with me because that's how our communities

00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:39.059
are. But because of the ethics and the way that

00:41:39.059 --> 00:41:41.800
it's structured here, that's not professional.

00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.940
So it's very hard. You know, I need to understand

00:41:44.940 --> 00:41:47.739
more to answer your question. Good. I'm glad

00:41:47.739 --> 00:41:50.260
you said that rather than just give like, you

00:41:50.260 --> 00:41:52.539
know, an opinion based on headlines or something,

00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:54.900
you're being smart with it saying, I just need

00:41:54.900 --> 00:41:56.920
some more information on it. I need to understand.

00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.059
Yeah. Because I would love for it to help everyone.

00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:01.800
I mean, hello, I'm the social worker. Like that's

00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:03.639
just my, my baseline for me is just me being

00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:06.239
kind. That's who I am. Right. But there's also

00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:08.579
boundaries, right. As people. And there's also

00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:12.019
boundaries with things in our ecosystem that

00:42:12.019 --> 00:42:13.739
we need to understand, you know, it's just, it's

00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:16.070
just. This is unfortunate. I mean, I think we're

00:42:16.070 --> 00:42:18.369
all for immigration, obviously, but legal immigration

00:42:18.369 --> 00:42:21.269
and the amount of people crossing the border

00:42:21.269 --> 00:42:25.849
is unsustainable. Right. Yeah. I just saw $451

00:42:25.849 --> 00:42:28.510
billion a year to owls and take care of people.

00:42:29.110 --> 00:42:34.190
Wow. Wow. Let me tell you, I work with a lot

00:42:34.190 --> 00:42:35.949
of these families and stuff like that, and it's

00:42:35.949 --> 00:42:38.650
still not enough. It's just like the small basis.

00:42:38.769 --> 00:42:40.920
Right. It's a tip of the iceberg. But that's

00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:43.800
the thing is they can't twist it. Like we still

00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.059
want, you know, people to be able to immigrate

00:42:46.059 --> 00:42:49.579
to this country. When we say we want the border

00:42:49.579 --> 00:42:52.380
closed, it's not closed like so nobody can come

00:42:52.380 --> 00:42:54.659
in. It's closed so people can't just stream in

00:42:54.659 --> 00:42:57.320
out of nowhere and then you get terrorists, you

00:42:57.320 --> 00:42:59.360
know, could be Chinese nationalists, whatever.

00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:02.199
We want it to where you could still legally immigrate

00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:04.900
here and get asylum from your countries and get

00:43:04.900 --> 00:43:07.219
the opportunities. But we can't just have it

00:43:07.219 --> 00:43:09.179
to where, you know, people could just flood over.

00:43:09.690 --> 00:43:11.730
you know left and right because unfortunately

00:43:11.730 --> 00:43:14.710
the world we live in there are evil people in

00:43:14.710 --> 00:43:16.889
the world you know as well as there's good but

00:43:16.889 --> 00:43:19.750
the fact that there could be some shady people

00:43:19.750 --> 00:43:22.150
coming over is the reason why we got to get it

00:43:22.150 --> 00:43:25.110
you know in check and they make it seem like

00:43:25.110 --> 00:43:27.909
if you're saying that that you're being racist

00:43:27.909 --> 00:43:30.269
and you're not trying to grant people in the

00:43:30.269 --> 00:43:32.909
country absolutely not i want as many people

00:43:32.909 --> 00:43:36.010
that can get here and good people to come here

00:43:36.010 --> 00:43:38.590
as possible. That's why America is the greatest

00:43:38.590 --> 00:43:42.050
country ever is because our society is so diverse.

00:43:42.309 --> 00:43:44.909
That's why our people have risen up and become,

00:43:45.010 --> 00:43:47.510
you know, the superpower that we are because

00:43:47.510 --> 00:43:50.309
is the melting pot, but it has to be done the

00:43:50.309 --> 00:43:52.769
right way. And just by saying it has to be done

00:43:52.769 --> 00:43:55.150
the right way. Doesn't make me exclusionist.

00:43:55.230 --> 00:43:57.989
Doesn't make me a racist. It makes me just, you

00:43:57.989 --> 00:44:00.949
know, saying it like it is, you know what I'm

00:44:00.949 --> 00:44:03.739
saying? And sometimes the harsh truth. is the

00:44:03.739 --> 00:44:06.019
truth you know whether we want to admit it or

00:44:06.019 --> 00:44:08.960
not so it's like common sense sometimes has to

00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:11.360
take over rather than oh my heart's in the right

00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:14.719
place yeah right place but at what at what you

00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.460
know point does it start to screw things up so

00:44:17.460 --> 00:44:20.880
to speak like eight million people coming over

00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.400
illegally since 2020 that's not right there's

00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.260
something wrong there that's way too many you

00:44:27.260 --> 00:44:29.539
know, undocumented, like that's a bunch of resources

00:44:29.539 --> 00:44:32.400
that these sanctuary cities are now having to

00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.719
fund. And it was great in their idea, oh, we're

00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:36.940
a sanctuary city, we're a sanctuary city, let

00:44:36.940 --> 00:44:38.940
everybody in. And then once they started to come

00:44:38.940 --> 00:44:40.960
over to their cities, now all of a sudden they

00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.139
realize the problem with it. So it's like your

00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:45.260
heart could be in the right place, but you have

00:44:45.260 --> 00:44:47.159
to implement things a little different, you know?

00:44:47.780 --> 00:44:49.760
That's a really good point because that's similar

00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.039
to therapy too, when you're working with people.

00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.820
I can't save everyone. I'm not the therapist

00:44:55.820 --> 00:44:58.340
for everyone either. And everybody's not my client.

00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.760
And I think Chad said something that was, you

00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:02.539
know, and you said a lot of great things, the

00:45:02.539 --> 00:45:05.420
sustainability. How can I sustain myself helping,

00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:08.079
let's say, if I have 57 clients and still live

00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:12.480
my life, have be a wife, be a mom, still be,

00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.719
you know, social, do podcasting if I'm overworked.

00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:18.099
And I think that. our hearts being in the right

00:45:18.099 --> 00:45:22.099
places, even as someone who will fight for, for,

00:45:22.219 --> 00:45:25.480
for, for right. We'll fight for, you know, Latinos,

00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:27.579
Brown, Black, Black Lives Matter. I'm all for

00:45:27.579 --> 00:45:30.559
all those advocacy things, but it has to be regulated

00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:33.260
in a way. Something has to be done where I understand

00:45:33.260 --> 00:45:34.980
what are the points? What are we, what is the

00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:37.300
goal? And it's the same thing with therapy. You're

00:45:37.300 --> 00:45:39.239
coming to me saying that you have anxiety. I

00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:42.260
create a treatment plan. Hey. What what's your

00:45:42.260 --> 00:45:44.780
behavior? You know, Denise, I'm constantly overthinking.

00:45:44.780 --> 00:45:47.539
I can't sleep at night. I'm pacing back and forth.

00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:50.519
I'm having panic attacks. Yeah. OK, what's what's

00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:52.760
the diagnosis? How do you meet these criterias?

00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.920
We have a book diagnostic on DSM five, the guys

00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:58.860
diagnostical statistical manual where criterias

00:45:58.860 --> 00:46:00.659
have to be met when you go to doctors, you go

00:46:00.659 --> 00:46:02.829
to mental health. Right. Because there's insurance,

00:46:02.889 --> 00:46:04.909
there's regulations. I think some of those thought

00:46:04.909 --> 00:46:07.170
processes that you said makes me think about

00:46:07.170 --> 00:46:09.730
my job and the part how I could sustain my own

00:46:09.730 --> 00:46:11.469
heart. My heart is in a good place with most

00:46:11.469 --> 00:46:14.670
of my clients. All of them. I care, but I also

00:46:14.670 --> 00:46:18.309
have to be able to live accordingly to help to

00:46:18.309 --> 00:46:20.949
heal. Because if I'm not healed. And I think

00:46:20.949 --> 00:46:23.050
that's what it feels like with America. We're

00:46:23.050 --> 00:46:25.829
still healing from so many things that have happened

00:46:25.829 --> 00:46:28.670
in the last, let's talk about it, to 2020. Just

00:46:28.670 --> 00:46:31.750
so many. Then to take on more and more. And listen,

00:46:31.829 --> 00:46:36.610
I want to help. Like I said, it was hard doing

00:46:36.610 --> 00:46:38.769
that work because there was a lot of kids that

00:46:38.769 --> 00:46:41.590
I worked with that had a lot of mental health

00:46:41.590 --> 00:46:44.780
stuff. The trauma of coming over. They're being

00:46:44.780 --> 00:46:47.340
taken out of their own countries, their own comfort

00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:49.199
zone, their own transition. Listen, we as human

00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:52.300
beings, regular people, we move and we have a

00:46:52.300 --> 00:46:54.840
transition. We get a new job and we take time

00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:56.940
to adjust. Coming to a country you don't know

00:46:56.940 --> 00:46:59.260
anything of, escaping something, it's a lot.

00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:02.519
But I just hope that they figure some of these

00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.079
pain points out and really understand that what

00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:08.719
is our plan and the goal to do this? Not just

00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:11.489
having a big heart, really to... to help in the

00:47:11.489 --> 00:47:14.110
right way. And you said sustain it because it

00:47:14.110 --> 00:47:16.989
is, it's going to, it's affecting a lot of places

00:47:16.989 --> 00:47:20.809
right now. And some of it is Chad and I have

00:47:20.809 --> 00:47:22.969
spoken about this before, but some of it is a

00:47:22.969 --> 00:47:25.010
slap in the face to the people that have been

00:47:25.010 --> 00:47:27.909
here forever and have been poor and struggling

00:47:27.909 --> 00:47:30.869
forever. Like New York city, for example, where

00:47:30.869 --> 00:47:33.610
they're busting them in by the 10 ,000 full.

00:47:33.849 --> 00:47:36.230
And then, you know, They're putting them up in

00:47:36.230 --> 00:47:38.369
hotels, taking over school supplies, stuff like

00:47:38.369 --> 00:47:40.210
that. And then the poor people who have been

00:47:40.210 --> 00:47:42.130
in these boroughs forever and have been poor

00:47:42.130 --> 00:47:44.730
and starving don't get anything and their housing

00:47:44.730 --> 00:47:46.489
is fucked and they don't get anything. And they're

00:47:46.489 --> 00:47:48.389
looking at like, wait a second. So I've been

00:47:48.389 --> 00:47:50.670
here since birth and now people are just coming

00:47:50.670 --> 00:47:52.550
over and you're putting up in hotels. What about

00:47:52.550 --> 00:47:55.289
us? Like, that's what I'm saying. So if we had

00:47:55.289 --> 00:47:57.869
all this money to do this to begin with, why

00:47:57.869 --> 00:48:00.010
the fuck did we not take care of our citizens

00:48:00.010 --> 00:48:02.380
to begin with? Why the fuck? Do we have to let

00:48:02.380 --> 00:48:04.260
it go this long? And then we're just going to

00:48:04.260 --> 00:48:05.880
start taking care of people who didn't come here

00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:08.800
the right way that way and still fuck our citizens.

00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:11.579
Like, I just don't get the rationing behind it.

00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:13.780
I don't get the thought behind it. But, you know,

00:48:13.780 --> 00:48:15.440
I'm not the smartest person in the world, but

00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:17.519
I feel like I have some common sense into me.

00:48:17.579 --> 00:48:20.179
And it just doesn't seem like anybody's using

00:48:20.179 --> 00:48:23.300
that to this day. And I get people's frustration,

00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:25.820
especially when you've been living in these poor

00:48:25.820 --> 00:48:29.670
areas for so long and no money's coming in. you

00:48:29.670 --> 00:48:32.909
know no community centers are coming in but they're

00:48:32.909 --> 00:48:35.769
sending hundreds of billions to ukraine or spending

00:48:35.769 --> 00:48:37.949
hundreds of billions on people who didn't come

00:48:37.949 --> 00:48:40.329
here the right way it's like i just don't get

00:48:40.329 --> 00:48:44.190
it that's a really good point i also feel as

00:48:44.190 --> 00:48:46.789
though you know we got to start holding certain

00:48:46.789 --> 00:48:50.010
parts of this accountable as far as like where

00:48:50.010 --> 00:48:52.809
are these like senators these these politicians

00:48:52.809 --> 00:48:55.139
are Being in the community will give you that

00:48:55.139 --> 00:48:57.659
ideology. It's like having a great idea and thinking

00:48:57.659 --> 00:48:59.679
that your idea is great, but not surveying people,

00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:01.900
not asking people questions, not being around

00:49:01.900 --> 00:49:04.199
and seeing what's happening. I've seen a lot

00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:05.960
of people make blind comments like that. Like,

00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:07.719
oh, you know, when I worked at Asians, like,

00:49:07.780 --> 00:49:09.579
oh, you know, just drug test. I'm like, we already

00:49:09.579 --> 00:49:11.880
doing all those things. All those things are

00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:13.900
being done already, but you might not know. And

00:49:13.900 --> 00:49:15.000
there's certain things I don't know because I

00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.099
don't know everything, you know, but that we

00:49:17.099 --> 00:49:19.780
think that are not being done. Like, I don't

00:49:19.780 --> 00:49:21.989
understand that. Where, you know, and I'm speaking

00:49:21.989 --> 00:49:23.829
about New York particularly, you know, especially

00:49:23.829 --> 00:49:26.929
with their school supplies issues, some of the

00:49:26.929 --> 00:49:29.750
lunch issues. Like, you know, why are not people

00:49:29.750 --> 00:49:31.769
in the community being surveyed? Why people are

00:49:31.769 --> 00:49:34.030
not? Maybe they are. I don't know. But to me,

00:49:34.050 --> 00:49:35.949
it sounds like, yes, we want to have our hearts

00:49:35.949 --> 00:49:37.130
in the right places. We want to do something

00:49:37.130 --> 00:49:39.510
great. But there's also other priorities and

00:49:39.510 --> 00:49:42.309
other goals that we misstep because we are so

00:49:42.309 --> 00:49:45.630
focused on doing the grander thing, the bigger

00:49:45.630 --> 00:49:47.630
thing that seems like the problem. But there's

00:49:47.630 --> 00:49:49.469
also some problems. And that causes a lot of

00:49:49.469 --> 00:49:52.809
friction. between people who are, like you said,

00:49:52.929 --> 00:49:56.110
here from other cultures, feeling like this,

00:49:56.250 --> 00:49:57.969
feeling like that from other ethnicities, from

00:49:57.969 --> 00:50:00.869
other races that are like, oh, why does these

00:50:00.869 --> 00:50:04.010
people get this? Then it starts problems there

00:50:04.010 --> 00:50:06.849
too. It's just a very hard situation to speak

00:50:06.849 --> 00:50:09.449
on. I just need to understand more. I'm hoping

00:50:09.449 --> 00:50:13.110
we'll get some clarity. a plan like everything

00:50:13.110 --> 00:50:15.670
else is out there can we just see what what this

00:50:15.670 --> 00:50:17.150
looks like how they had remember when they were

00:50:17.150 --> 00:50:19.329
doing the uh was it the green deal was the one

00:50:19.329 --> 00:50:22.449
with the the sustainability for energy they kind

00:50:22.449 --> 00:50:24.809
of had that proposal a little bit like why are

00:50:24.809 --> 00:50:27.190
we not privy to seeing that like why do we not

00:50:27.190 --> 00:50:29.809
know we can see other people's court documents

00:50:29.809 --> 00:50:32.849
and we don't want to know nothing about but we

00:50:32.849 --> 00:50:35.909
get out of it's just a lot it's a lot political

00:50:35.909 --> 00:50:39.710
class on both sides of the aisle is just corrupt

00:50:39.710 --> 00:50:42.960
at this point They get into politics for money

00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:44.420
and not to actually, I mean, some of them get

00:50:44.420 --> 00:50:46.099
into actually help people. A lot of them get

00:50:46.099 --> 00:50:48.800
into it for money. It's just ridiculous. And

00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:50.800
I've always, I've often said this too. We need

00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:53.579
term limits on our Congress and Senator, Congressman

00:50:53.579 --> 00:50:56.900
and Congress people and senators that you get

00:50:56.900 --> 00:50:58.900
eight years in there and then you're done like

00:50:58.900 --> 00:51:02.199
bringing someone else. Right. It's just, it's

00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:04.440
just, it's just right for corruption. If you're

00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:06.099
going to stay in there, have that power for so

00:51:06.099 --> 00:51:10.309
long and you have the ability to. see, you know,

00:51:10.309 --> 00:51:12.289
for instance, see what's coming up, see what

00:51:12.289 --> 00:51:14.389
companies, you know, product is going to get

00:51:14.389 --> 00:51:16.550
approved by the FDA. And then you can invest

00:51:16.550 --> 00:51:19.130
in that company. No one, you know, we can't do

00:51:19.130 --> 00:51:21.349
that as normal citizens. That's insider trading,

00:51:21.429 --> 00:51:25.389
but it's perfectly allowed in our, in our government.

00:51:27.659 --> 00:51:30.019
Chad, you might not even need to have term limits

00:51:30.019 --> 00:51:33.500
if you just stop them and their spouses from

00:51:33.500 --> 00:51:35.780
being to invest in the stock market. They would

00:51:35.780 --> 00:51:37.699
probably get out in eight years because they

00:51:37.699 --> 00:51:39.300
can't make all the money. When they're making

00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:43.380
$170 ,000, $200 ,000 a year, and then they leave

00:51:43.380 --> 00:51:45.960
Congress or the Senate, and they're worth $55

00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:50.579
million, what the fuck, dude? How is Nancy Pelosi

00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:53.800
better in the stock market than Warren Buffett

00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:57.010
and all these other guys combined? It's because

00:51:57.010 --> 00:51:59.929
you're doing insider trading and putting in bills

00:51:59.929 --> 00:52:02.869
and passing bills and buying stocks based on

00:52:02.869 --> 00:52:06.070
that. And you're putting Martha Stewart in jail

00:52:06.070 --> 00:52:08.949
for that. Like it's clear as day. Like if they,

00:52:09.010 --> 00:52:11.369
I guarantee you wouldn't need term limits if

00:52:11.369 --> 00:52:13.309
you just made it so they couldn't invest in the

00:52:13.309 --> 00:52:15.210
stock market, they would be out as quick as they

00:52:15.210 --> 00:52:18.369
fucking came in. But they. Lobbying as well.

00:52:19.170 --> 00:52:23.389
Yeah. Very true. Right. But, but I guess back

00:52:23.389 --> 00:52:25.760
to the whole point, it's like. I think the ruling

00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:28.619
political class doesn't, they'll virtue signal

00:52:28.619 --> 00:52:31.119
that they care about people coming in and then

00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:34.380
it's about compassion, but I don't think it's

00:52:34.380 --> 00:52:36.559
really about that. They just, they just, they

00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:38.599
just talk about this talking point for them.

00:52:38.659 --> 00:52:40.800
They don't actually care down to their roots.

00:52:40.860 --> 00:52:42.780
Some people, I mean, obviously again, some, some

00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:48.059
of them do. So Denise, back to some fun stuff.

00:52:48.099 --> 00:52:50.820
When is your next season of podcasts coming out?

00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:56.119
So I'm shooting for June. this year second season

00:52:56.119 --> 00:53:00.460
um i'm excited about that and you know it's it's

00:53:00.460 --> 00:53:02.360
it's a it's a working project actually was nominated

00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:06.840
for a latin podcast academy award for a new house

00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:09.679
very like okay this is great yeah i was excited

00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.320
about that but yes coming out in june i'm hoping

00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:14.260
to put it all together because you know we had

00:53:14.260 --> 00:53:16.659
a a rough end of year but you know we're still

00:53:16.659 --> 00:53:19.539
here so that's a good thing uh real quick before

00:53:19.539 --> 00:53:21.519
we let you go i wanted to ask you about certain

00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:24.389
things like Part of my mind when I hear like

00:53:24.389 --> 00:53:27.409
certain things like, you know, black podcasters

00:53:27.409 --> 00:53:31.269
of New Jersey or Latin, whatever, part of me

00:53:31.269 --> 00:53:34.769
thinks that that could create division. You know

00:53:34.769 --> 00:53:36.570
what I'm saying? Like we're almost putting people

00:53:36.570 --> 00:53:39.210
in certain brackets. And then part of me is like,

00:53:39.269 --> 00:53:41.110
well, no, you need to have like some sort of

00:53:41.110 --> 00:53:45.219
community based on, but. So I guess my question

00:53:45.219 --> 00:53:47.219
to you, do you think that that creates division

00:53:47.219 --> 00:53:49.820
when you have stuff separated like that rather

00:53:49.820 --> 00:53:52.539
than just blanketed for whatever? Or do you think

00:53:52.539 --> 00:53:56.940
that that, you know, is helps that one community?

00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:58.480
What are your thoughts? What are your thoughts

00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.260
on stuff like that? So, yeah, with the Black

00:54:01.260 --> 00:54:04.599
Podcast Association, I know it was created a

00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:06.679
few years ago and it's actually coming up on

00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:08.940
its I think its second anniversary, first anniversary

00:54:08.940 --> 00:54:12.320
in the Latino Podcast Awards. I think it just

00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.059
makes it. become more seen. When we talk about

00:54:15.059 --> 00:54:17.559
the vision and the way that things are, it's

00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:19.920
already been that way in this country for so

00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.500
many years. And to be seen and to want to be

00:54:23.500 --> 00:54:26.940
in a space where you have people like yourself

00:54:26.940 --> 00:54:29.280
or people that like yourself are being included,

00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:30.940
I think is a wonderful thing. I don't see it

00:54:30.940 --> 00:54:34.219
as divisive. I do think that nowadays, though,

00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:36.360
in the way that people see certain things, you

00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:38.719
know, everybody has their opinion. But for me,

00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:42.179
with the BPA and PNJ, which is Podcasters in

00:54:42.179 --> 00:54:44.539
New Jersey, and even, like, I think it's, you

00:54:44.539 --> 00:54:48.510
know, the Latin Podcast Network. it just gives

00:54:48.510 --> 00:54:50.730
more visibility to the cultures and subcultures

00:54:50.730 --> 00:54:52.949
and people alike to kind of, hey, you know what,

00:54:53.050 --> 00:54:54.510
we're doing it. You know, you're black, we're

00:54:54.510 --> 00:54:56.349
brown, we're doing it. This is your community.

00:54:56.469 --> 00:54:58.489
And a lot of these communities are part of like

00:54:58.489 --> 00:55:01.949
the bigger communities too. You know, like a

00:55:01.949 --> 00:55:04.690
lot of them attend, you know, PodFest. A lot

00:55:04.690 --> 00:55:06.530
of us do a lot of those different things. Not

00:55:06.530 --> 00:55:08.710
like we're only excluded, but it gives us an

00:55:08.710 --> 00:55:11.010
opportunity to be seen and not, you know, drown

00:55:11.010 --> 00:55:14.380
in the usual things that can happen. You know,

00:55:14.380 --> 00:55:17.219
because of what we just explained earlier, like

00:55:17.219 --> 00:55:19.079
brand awareness, brand the lingo that we might

00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.000
use, American English, some of the cultural things

00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.199
that even Dominicans speak different than Castellanos

00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:27.380
Spanish or even, you know, or even like someone

00:55:27.380 --> 00:55:30.059
from Argentina. It's a difference. So I feel

00:55:30.059 --> 00:55:31.980
like it gives you an opportunity to be seen and

00:55:31.980 --> 00:55:33.940
uplifted by your people and say, look, you know

00:55:33.940 --> 00:55:35.760
what, this person did it and they're Latino,

00:55:35.820 --> 00:55:37.739
they're Black and I'm doing it too. I see it

00:55:37.739 --> 00:55:41.739
as a positive thing. Good. Yeah. Again, I do.

00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:46.090
I just, I was just. No, no, no, no. It's true

00:55:46.090 --> 00:55:48.110
because, like I said, nowadays there's a lot

00:55:48.110 --> 00:55:51.139
of different aspects of things. because when

00:55:51.139 --> 00:55:53.900
we talk about inclusion, that's also used in

00:55:53.900 --> 00:55:56.539
a very blanketed way. So I appreciate that opinion

00:55:56.539 --> 00:55:59.139
and I respect it. Like, you know, my answer is,

00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.000
I think is definitely needed and it's great.

00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:02.900
And I appreciate these questions because we have

00:56:02.900 --> 00:56:05.320
to have these conversations to understand each

00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:07.539
other. I'm not going to get upset. Well, that's,

00:56:07.539 --> 00:56:09.019
I guess that's the social worker in me, right?

00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:11.219
Because if you were my client, anybody, all my

00:56:11.219 --> 00:56:14.039
biases or whatever I think doesn't matter. Right.

00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:16.679
You know? And I think that's maybe why, you know,

00:56:16.699 --> 00:56:19.440
the way that I respond to certain things is because

00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:21.880
of those reasons. But I appreciate you asking

00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:24.940
that because I feel like, you know, BPA has thousands

00:56:24.940 --> 00:56:27.340
of subscribers now. They have a great newsletter

00:56:27.340 --> 00:56:30.239
on what we're doing at Podcasts New Jersey. He's

00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:32.260
bringing all podcasters from New Jersey together.

00:56:32.699 --> 00:56:35.619
And, you know, sometimes with exclusion and divisiveness,

00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:38.320
people take it to heart. It's not always coming

00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:40.780
from a malicious place. It's coming from a place

00:56:40.780 --> 00:56:43.820
that's needed and it's out of love and community.

00:56:44.489 --> 00:56:47.010
me being Dominican and being where I am at West

00:56:47.010 --> 00:56:49.570
orange, where I live in this area, it's about

00:56:49.570 --> 00:56:52.250
community. Yeah. And community's always been

00:56:52.250 --> 00:56:54.730
a part of my lineage. And for many people who,

00:56:54.789 --> 00:56:57.170
you know, and their lineage as well, you know,

00:56:57.170 --> 00:57:00.530
and that's something that I need. So. Beautifully

00:57:00.530 --> 00:57:02.829
said again, Denise, this has been a really fun

00:57:02.829 --> 00:57:06.829
conversation again. It's been fun. Our pleasure.

00:57:07.090 --> 00:57:10.030
I want to thank you for, for having an open mind

00:57:10.030 --> 00:57:12.929
and, and, and saying what you said, like. Asking

00:57:12.929 --> 00:57:14.929
questions is good. Having open conversations

00:57:14.929 --> 00:57:17.449
is good. Whether it's about touchy, sensitive

00:57:17.449 --> 00:57:20.489
subjects, we could all learn and come from an

00:57:20.489 --> 00:57:22.329
understanding of the other person we're speaking

00:57:22.329 --> 00:57:25.190
to because that's what is needed in this world.

00:57:25.250 --> 00:57:27.010
We have to have an understanding for not just

00:57:27.010 --> 00:57:29.949
how we feel, but for how other people feel around

00:57:29.949 --> 00:57:33.090
us and how our actions make people feel. You

00:57:33.090 --> 00:57:36.130
kind of talked about it earlier when we first

00:57:36.130 --> 00:57:38.250
started about people being triggered. It's like

00:57:38.250 --> 00:57:39.570
as soon as they hear something they don't like,

00:57:39.769 --> 00:57:43.300
instead of, Wanting to, like, understand what's

00:57:43.300 --> 00:57:45.780
going on, they just immediately go into, I'm

00:57:45.780 --> 00:57:47.639
triggered. Like, you know, now they want to.

00:57:48.260 --> 00:57:51.219
Right. That's what just is, you know, it's. It

00:57:51.219 --> 00:57:54.039
takes healing. It takes healing. Yeah, absolutely.

00:57:54.219 --> 00:57:57.219
Yeah, for sure. And really understanding that

00:57:57.219 --> 00:57:59.300
you can't control everybody's, you know, response.

00:57:59.380 --> 00:58:01.559
I mean, you know, something's disrespectful and

00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:03.719
is purposely done that you can kind of tell by

00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:05.599
people's body language, the words that they're

00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:07.710
using. but you're asking a question and it's

00:58:07.710 --> 00:58:09.570
out of respect. And I, you know, I've heard some

00:58:09.570 --> 00:58:10.829
of your podcasts and I see what you're doing.

00:58:10.849 --> 00:58:12.929
I'm following you. You know, I appreciate you

00:58:12.929 --> 00:58:15.329
reaching out and I wanted to make this happen.

00:58:15.369 --> 00:58:17.190
I wish I could stay longer, but you know, I have

00:58:17.190 --> 00:58:19.530
a client in like four minutes. So that's the

00:58:19.530 --> 00:58:21.329
only reason why we could have kept talking. So

00:58:21.329 --> 00:58:23.530
just tell the audience where they could find

00:58:23.530 --> 00:58:26.190
a Miss Denise Longsworth podcast or social media,

00:58:26.269 --> 00:58:28.190
whatever, whatever you want to promote. Thank

00:58:28.190 --> 00:58:31.679
you. You can find me at podcasters of NJ. You

00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:36.400
can find me at GrenzDiazPodcast. And I'm also,

00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:39.000
my personal one is Denise Duran, which is my

00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:41.539
maiden name, DeniseDuran82 on Instagram. I'm

00:58:41.539 --> 00:58:43.440
usually mostly on Instagram and on Facebook group,

00:58:43.539 --> 00:58:46.719
Podcasters of NJ. I can send you the links. You

00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:48.559
can add it to the show notes and the website,

00:58:48.579 --> 00:58:51.139
and then I'll send you the link for the AI tool

00:58:51.139 --> 00:58:55.039
as well. Yes. Thank you so much. Again, Denise,

00:58:55.139 --> 00:58:56.800
we had a blast with you. We'll have you on some

00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:58.480
time in the future for stuff you want to promote.

00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:01.210
Yes. Thank you so much, Sean. Thank you, Chad.

00:59:01.429 --> 00:59:05.409
And thank you, Robert. Appreciate you guys. Take

00:59:05.409 --> 00:59:10.730
care. Ladies and gentlemen, that was Mrs. Denise

00:59:10.730 --> 00:59:12.949
Longsworth. That was a really fun conversation,

00:59:13.150 --> 00:59:17.110
man. She was a great mind there. You know what

00:59:17.110 --> 00:59:19.389
I'm saying? She doesn't know something. She says

00:59:19.389 --> 00:59:22.610
she needs more, you know, education on it. It

00:59:22.610 --> 00:59:26.190
was a beautiful, refreshing conversation to have.

00:59:27.670 --> 00:59:30.250
So there's my PSA for everybody. Be more like

00:59:30.250 --> 00:59:32.929
Denise, people. Don't just spew from your mouth

00:59:32.929 --> 00:59:37.710
like me. Follow, you know, go on, check some

00:59:37.710 --> 00:59:39.869
stuff out. If you don't know something, don't

00:59:39.869 --> 00:59:41.510
be afraid to say, well, you know what? I'm not

00:59:41.510 --> 00:59:44.329
too versed in that. Let me get some, you know,

00:59:44.329 --> 00:59:47.289
further education and check it out. But she was

00:59:47.289 --> 00:59:50.469
really cool, man. And podcasters of New Jersey,

00:59:50.550 --> 00:59:52.889
a good group, especially if you're a podcaster

00:59:52.889 --> 00:59:56.969
in New Jersey. That was our first female interview,

00:59:57.130 --> 00:59:59.070
Chad. What do you think? Well, it was great.

00:59:59.230 --> 01:00:01.110
I mean, we've got to have more females on for

01:00:01.110 --> 01:00:04.510
sure. We had the girls lined up, what, last week,

01:00:04.530 --> 01:00:07.989
but they couldn't make it. We have next week

01:00:07.989 --> 01:00:09.670
is going to be a cool one. We have the two gentlemen

01:00:09.670 --> 01:00:14.070
from South Africa, Dylan and Cash, and they're

01:00:14.070 --> 01:00:16.030
going to let us know about all the travesties

01:00:16.030 --> 01:00:18.650
going on there and what it's like over there.

01:00:19.949 --> 01:00:23.460
Hopefully the internet is okay. It's another

01:00:23.460 --> 01:00:25.300
instance of things you don't hear about in America,

01:00:25.420 --> 01:00:26.940
like what's going on in South Africa, what's

01:00:26.940 --> 01:00:28.940
going on in Europe with the farmers. I mean,

01:00:28.980 --> 01:00:31.639
they are going frigging apeshit over there. The

01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:34.360
farmers. I think I just saw that the farmers

01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:38.739
actually have won whatever. I guess they were

01:00:38.739 --> 01:00:42.179
protesting against, obviously, the carbon restrictions

01:00:42.179 --> 01:00:44.699
that they're trying. I mean, this is what's funny

01:00:44.699 --> 01:00:47.619
about the green movement or whatever climate

01:00:47.619 --> 01:00:49.800
change activists. It's like they want to shut

01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:53.429
down farming. It's like, ah. Shut down. Right.

01:00:54.670 --> 01:00:58.090
It's like, Oh my God, it's so funny. Trust me

01:00:58.090 --> 01:00:59.849
out. And you're like here that, Oh yeah, farming

01:00:59.849 --> 01:01:03.590
is bad. It's like, um, no, that's how you live.

01:01:04.309 --> 01:01:07.030
Yeah. We're worried about living. All these people

01:01:07.030 --> 01:01:08.989
think like that live in big cities where they

01:01:08.989 --> 01:01:10.570
just go to the grocery store and grab something.

01:01:10.650 --> 01:01:12.429
It's like, where do you think it comes from?

01:01:12.690 --> 01:01:16.650
Right. Uh, hilarious. Why don't you take care

01:01:16.650 --> 01:01:19.130
of the fucking coal burning plants before you

01:01:19.130 --> 01:01:23.019
worry about farming? Why don't you plug up every

01:01:23.019 --> 01:01:25.179
volcano before you're worried about getting rid

01:01:25.179 --> 01:01:27.980
of our food source? See, the new thing, the new

01:01:27.980 --> 01:01:30.159
kind of little sound bites they're putting out

01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:32.900
is that if you have a private, your own garden

01:01:32.900 --> 01:01:35.420
or you grow your own food, you produce more carbon

01:01:35.420 --> 01:01:41.179
dioxide than the big farms do. How? Huh? Yeah,

01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:43.579
huh? People just hear this and go, oh, yeah,

01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:45.320
it must be true. It's like, wow, this fucking

01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:48.489
propaganda is just wild. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they

01:01:48.489 --> 01:01:50.309
just love to spew it out there, and people just

01:01:50.309 --> 01:01:52.429
go with it. Oh, did you hear that if you grow

01:01:52.429 --> 01:01:54.409
your own food, you're fucking worse than industrial

01:01:54.409 --> 01:01:56.750
farming? Why don't you run that through your

01:01:56.750 --> 01:01:59.650
common sense meter, bud? Right. They have none.

01:01:59.909 --> 01:02:04.670
I'm so convinced they have none. Chad, I got

01:02:04.670 --> 01:02:08.449
a question for you. Back in the day, did you

01:02:08.449 --> 01:02:12.190
guys, meaning live or whatever, ever play or

01:02:12.190 --> 01:02:17.610
meet Green Day? Play with or meet? I think we

01:02:17.610 --> 01:02:20.090
played one show at the Green Day Festival somewhere,

01:02:20.230 --> 01:02:22.349
maybe outside of Pittsburgh, Rolling Rock Festival,

01:02:22.409 --> 01:02:25.769
maybe one year. Okay. When we first came out,

01:02:25.809 --> 01:02:28.869
Green Day, I think it was the bass player said

01:02:28.869 --> 01:02:31.110
something about us in Rolling Stone. We were

01:02:31.110 --> 01:02:33.510
just like a Jesus band or something. It was something

01:02:33.510 --> 01:02:37.110
kind of disparaging, and we were like, fuck the

01:02:37.110 --> 01:02:40.730
Green Day. Right. And so then we did play with

01:02:40.730 --> 01:02:42.030
them. I don't know if we interacted. I don't

01:02:42.030 --> 01:02:43.989
remember interacting with them, but I don't know.

01:02:44.409 --> 01:02:46.929
where they are now but as far as like what they

01:02:46.929 --> 01:02:49.690
think of live yeah other than the clusterfuck

01:02:49.690 --> 01:02:55.230
it is but you know who knows but anyway one festival

01:02:55.230 --> 01:02:57.670
and then earlier like I said earlier on Rolling

01:02:57.670 --> 01:03:00.949
Stone the bass player was talking shit on me

01:03:00.949 --> 01:03:04.630
like okay what do we do yeah well fuck them first

01:03:04.630 --> 01:03:07.929
of all but the reason why I ask is because you

01:03:07.929 --> 01:03:09.909
know growing up watching Billy Joe I'm always

01:03:09.909 --> 01:03:12.349
like this dude's got fucked up teeth. Like he

01:03:12.349 --> 01:03:14.829
must be a fucking crackhead or something. And

01:03:14.829 --> 01:03:17.429
turns out he was like, I don't know if he was

01:03:17.429 --> 01:03:20.510
a crystal meth head, but heavily used crystal

01:03:20.510 --> 01:03:23.530
meth. And that's how he wrote basket case. And

01:03:23.530 --> 01:03:26.670
that one. Well, yeah. So I just found it, but

01:03:26.670 --> 01:03:30.130
you know, that one song do, do, do, do, do, do,

01:03:30.230 --> 01:03:34.130
do. Yeah. That my eyes feel like they're like,

01:03:34.309 --> 01:03:36.550
that's all about him being high on crystal and

01:03:36.550 --> 01:03:39.489
not being able to sleep. So when I'm hearing

01:03:39.489 --> 01:03:42.829
this, I'm like, oh shit, that really makes sense.

01:03:42.889 --> 01:03:46.369
Like his teeth, the songs about not being able

01:03:46.369 --> 01:03:49.610
to sleep and like the crazy random lyrics. So

01:03:49.610 --> 01:03:52.909
here's a crystal meth head. Who's not down with

01:03:52.909 --> 01:03:55.530
the MAGA agenda. No wonder why motherfucker.

01:03:55.730 --> 01:03:57.889
Cause you're a wacko crystal meth head staying

01:03:57.889 --> 01:04:00.710
up all night. Fucking who doesn't have, you know,

01:04:00.730 --> 01:04:02.690
America's best interest at heart. I hope he's

01:04:02.690 --> 01:04:06.199
not still doing it. Jesus. I do have to say,

01:04:06.219 --> 01:04:09.059
one of our old security guards, a guy named Tom

01:04:09.059 --> 01:04:11.199
Robb, who has his own security company now and

01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:14.179
does great things, but he was doing Green Day

01:04:14.179 --> 01:04:17.000
for a little while. Actually, he got tickets

01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:21.639
for my ex -wife and my son. Nice. And Trey Poole

01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:23.239
actually took a picture with him and was really

01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:26.840
nice to himself. Very cool. For taking care of

01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:28.659
my son and being nice. Really appreciate it.

01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:31.780
hell yeah rock out to i like trey he's i mean

01:04:31.780 --> 01:04:34.340
i like the the band's music and stuff i'm just

01:04:34.340 --> 01:04:36.980
not into their politics or his politics so to

01:04:36.980 --> 01:04:40.119
say but right we can agree we can disagree with

01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:42.300
them but like it's just funny to be punk rock

01:04:42.300 --> 01:04:45.599
but be totally establishment yeah now right now

01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:49.219
that he's got everything um well what i want

01:04:49.219 --> 01:04:50.920
to ask you about trey too because he's one of

01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:53.989
the drummers that i feel is like I don't know

01:04:53.989 --> 01:04:56.869
if it's that he's very good at drums or he's

01:04:56.869 --> 01:04:58.929
just really powerful. So I was going to ask you

01:04:58.929 --> 01:05:01.030
what you thought of his. I think it's both. I

01:05:01.030 --> 01:05:04.730
mean, he's, yeah, he plays fucking all that fast

01:05:04.730 --> 01:05:07.670
stuff. And this is fucking nuts. And it's about,

01:05:07.989 --> 01:05:10.570
man, he's aging, aging like that. They're about

01:05:10.570 --> 01:05:12.889
to embark on another stadium tour. I mean, they're

01:05:12.889 --> 01:05:15.369
frigging huge, which is great. Congratulations.

01:05:15.449 --> 01:05:18.889
But like, as he gets older, like some of that

01:05:18.889 --> 01:05:20.630
fast stuff is like going to be harder and harder

01:05:20.630 --> 01:05:24.380
to play. Totally. uh that was another thing so

01:05:24.380 --> 01:05:25.920
uh you know i was listening to the interview

01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:28.320
with them and they said like the magic sauce

01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:32.400
is those three get in a room and they fucking

01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:35.679
hash it out and they all talk about what works

01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:38.380
what doesn't and like as i'm hearing this i'm

01:05:38.380 --> 01:05:40.960
like wow so the magic for the first four live

01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:44.079
albums is what green day's still doing and it's

01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:46.219
still working that's why they're still hugely

01:05:46.219 --> 01:05:49.690
successful Boom Fighters, Metallica, you can

01:05:49.690 --> 01:05:55.369
go down with U2. The magic is those people. We

01:05:55.369 --> 01:05:59.710
abandoned that in our band to, here's a song,

01:05:59.789 --> 01:06:08.769
play this. We lost the whole process of eliminating

01:06:08.769 --> 01:06:11.590
things that the four of us didn't really get

01:06:11.590 --> 01:06:15.659
fucking goosebumps about. And it's evident as,

01:06:15.820 --> 01:06:19.119
you know, the evidence is in the success of the

01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:23.159
band. It's in the music, really. The band, yeah.

01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:26.860
I got to wonder because, you know, like if, so

01:06:26.860 --> 01:06:29.420
in other words, if Ed goes back and listens to,

01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:32.260
you know, live albums, like if he could hear

01:06:32.260 --> 01:06:35.079
the difference between when the four of you were

01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:38.000
in a room hashing this out to like. the later

01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:41.019
stuff where you know it's still great it's still

01:06:41.019 --> 01:06:43.840
great but it's not that those are those first

01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:47.260
four albums there's just fucking crazy crazy

01:06:47.260 --> 01:06:50.480
magic going on and it's it's you know it's palpable

01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:53.059
you feel it you taste it it's it's all there

01:06:53.059 --> 01:06:56.480
because the four of us the fucking idea had to

01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:59.039
give the four of us literally you know hair standing

01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:01.500
on the back of your neck like That was the chill

01:07:01.500 --> 01:07:03.659
in your spine. Oh, so sweet. I mean, that's a

01:07:03.659 --> 01:07:07.000
freaking lie. That was us feeling the songs.

01:07:07.179 --> 01:07:10.980
And we got away from that. Just said, oh, boy.

01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:14.059
They don't want to do that anymore. Dude, that

01:07:14.059 --> 01:07:16.159
gave me chills that you said the chill in your

01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:18.719
spine. Oh, so sweet. Because maybe that's what

01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:20.260
he was singing about there, where you guys are

01:07:20.260 --> 01:07:22.099
getting that feeling based on what's happening

01:07:22.099 --> 01:07:24.599
in that room. I always interpret that lyric.

01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:26.820
Because that's what it was. We would get in a

01:07:26.820 --> 01:07:28.960
fucking room, be in my garage, whatever it was.

01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:31.320
We'd come up with these songs and we'd get chills

01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:34.960
from them. And that was Amos. Public Affection,

01:07:35.139 --> 01:07:37.880
Mental Jewelry, Thorn Copper, fucking Secret

01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:40.340
Samadhi, Distance to Here to an extent, and then

01:07:40.340 --> 01:07:43.239
I didn't want to write with Chad anymore, so

01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:46.679
that put an end to that. And here we are. I was

01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:49.519
very hopeful when we got back together in 16.

01:07:49.820 --> 01:07:51.360
I kept pushing for it. I was like, let's get

01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:53.190
in a room. Let's make a fucking record. Let's

01:07:53.190 --> 01:07:55.750
get in a room. And then what happened was Chad

01:07:55.750 --> 01:07:57.650
Taylor becomes a producer and makes the fucking

01:07:57.650 --> 01:08:02.889
local 717 has another drum play on it. It's like,

01:08:02.909 --> 01:08:06.849
that's going to make us fucking successful again.

01:08:07.550 --> 01:08:11.909
When the best song on 717 is a cover, there's

01:08:11.909 --> 01:08:14.210
an issue. There's a problem. Right. And I played

01:08:14.210 --> 01:08:15.449
on the cover. That's the only thing I played

01:08:15.449 --> 01:08:20.529
on. See? See? I could hear it. But you know what

01:08:20.529 --> 01:08:26.890
I'm saying? I mean, I liked lyrically where it

01:08:26.890 --> 01:08:29.750
was a little bit better because I was kind of

01:08:29.750 --> 01:08:33.850
getting, again, I use this word, but some of

01:08:33.850 --> 01:08:37.729
them were getting gay or really feminine lyrics

01:08:37.729 --> 01:08:41.890
at some point. So I kind of like the 717. Don't

01:08:41.890 --> 01:08:44.229
say gay in a negative term, just like a fruity

01:08:44.229 --> 01:08:49.869
lyric type deal. Yeah. For all the haters out

01:08:49.869 --> 01:08:52.449
there. I was just having that conversation with

01:08:52.449 --> 01:08:54.810
my son about, you know, back in the day, you'd

01:08:54.810 --> 01:08:57.090
be like, you're a fag. Didn't mean they were

01:08:57.090 --> 01:09:00.510
gay. Blue people. Yeah. Yeah. South Park did

01:09:00.510 --> 01:09:02.869
a whole episode on it. It's like, do you ride

01:09:02.869 --> 01:09:04.510
on Harley and it's really loud? Then you're a

01:09:04.510 --> 01:09:09.390
fag. Like, what? That show is amazing what they

01:09:09.390 --> 01:09:14.590
can get away with, dude. It's so cool. Are The

01:09:14.590 --> 01:09:16.710
Simpsons still on? And if it is, is it still

01:09:16.710 --> 01:09:21.180
a good show? The Simpsons? Yeah. That's the longest

01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:26.560
running, not just cartoon, show, period. That's

01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:35.199
crazy, man. We lost our way. And now that's so

01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:39.220
fractured with the different personalities are

01:09:39.220 --> 01:09:41.140
all pissed off at each other and whatever. So

01:09:41.140 --> 01:09:44.380
what do you do? It's dysfunction at its finest.

01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:48.039
I'll tell you what you do. You get fucking you

01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:50.579
and the other three original members on this

01:09:50.579 --> 01:09:53.640
podcast. We have a fucking five -hour long -form

01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:56.199
conversation, and we work this shit out with

01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:59.239
me as the mediator. Yeah, well, we need a real,

01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:03.439
I mean, you're not real. Yeah, we actually need,

01:10:03.619 --> 01:10:05.920
and as I've said, as I've said many times, we

01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:07.979
should have all sat in a room with a real therapist

01:10:07.979 --> 01:10:11.039
and fucking hashed all this shit out. Well, dude.

01:10:11.220 --> 01:10:13.520
Started from a baseline of we all understand

01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:17.680
each other. Right. Instead of just burying it

01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:20.819
under the carpet and like dealing with the, we're

01:10:20.819 --> 01:10:22.920
still, we're still dealing with each other as

01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:25.420
if we're fucking children, not, not men. Right.

01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:29.220
Well, we just had Denise on and she seemed like

01:10:29.220 --> 01:10:31.840
a very smart person. She does. So that could

01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:34.300
be the therapist and you know, she could be,

01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:38.539
yeah. Cause she, she seems like she is very good

01:10:38.539 --> 01:10:40.340
at that job. You know what I'm saying? Like she

01:10:40.340 --> 01:10:42.859
understands. People are going to try and twist

01:10:42.859 --> 01:10:44.979
your words. So she's very thought out with what

01:10:44.979 --> 01:10:47.760
she says. And that's what you need in a therapist

01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:49.800
and not somebody who's going to jump the gun

01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:52.520
and just throw out an opinion to throw out opinion.

01:10:52.579 --> 01:10:55.880
She thinks about it and then speaks. That doesn't

01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:59.399
happen often, man. I was impressed. She was very

01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:03.260
impressive. Absolutely. Yes. You know how we

01:11:03.260 --> 01:11:05.960
do it, ladies and gentlemen. We always end with

01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:08.859
some more stuff to talk about. So you guys keep

01:11:08.859 --> 01:11:11.779
coming back week to week. Uh, we have a bunch

01:11:11.779 --> 01:11:14.380
of cool shows coming up, a bunch of cool guests

01:11:14.380 --> 01:11:16.899
coming up, uh, next week. I'm definitely excited

01:11:16.899 --> 01:11:20.180
about our two South African boys coming on and,

01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:23.079
uh, please go like share and follow the gracious

01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:26.079
two pages. Um, and we thank you guys for being

01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:28.819
an audience and, uh, keep interacting, keep asking

01:11:28.819 --> 01:11:31.340
questions and we'll keep doing this. Uh, thank

01:11:31.340 --> 01:11:33.939
you ladies and gentlemen. And remember hashtag

01:11:33.939 --> 01:11:37.560
Chad. Gracie hates hashtags. You want to say

01:11:37.560 --> 01:11:40.619
goodbye to them, Chad? Yes. Thanks for coming,

01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:43.220
as always, and spread the word. Keep telling

01:11:43.220 --> 01:11:46.000
your friends and keep checking us out. We appreciate

01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:50.420
it. Yes, we do. We'll keep putting the shit in

01:11:50.420 --> 01:11:52.720
bullshit. I'm going to stop these live streams.