The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 024 - Cashel OReilly

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preparing to got it yes got it get it and maybe

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we are live ladies and gentlemen boys and girls

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gracious to back at it again hello What up, Chad?

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Is this 24? 24, that's right. That is correct,

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dude. We're moving up in the world. Keep cranking

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them out. This is going to be a fun show, but

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I promised some fans of Live that I would ask

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you this question right off the bat, and I didn't

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prepare you for it. Let's see how I do. Exactly.

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Do we call it linear notes or liner notes for

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the inside of an album? I would always say liner

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notes. Okay. In Throwing Copper, there seems

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to be handwritten lyrics to all the songs on

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there. People are wondering if that's a font

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or if that was one of your original members'

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handwriting in it. I think that's Ed's. Okay,

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cool. Yeah. Well, you got your answer, ladies

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and gentlemen. That is Ed's. I'm pretty sure

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that's Ed's. I mean, that's not 100 % positive,

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but I'm pretty sure that's Ed's handwriting.

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Unless it's Chad Taylor, since he wrote all the

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songs, you never know. That's the proof, right?

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Yeah. Yeah. I got a couple of cool clips for

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you guys and for Chad too, but I want to get

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this out of the way too. We are trying to build

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the gracious army. So if you're watching our

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videos, please like follow and share, share,

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share our pages. We do appreciate you guys, but

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spread the word, please. Spread it, spread it.

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Spread it like butter or legs. If anyone is interested,

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I have three more videos, my drum videos I'm

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going to be putting up soon. Yes. I got Rattlesnake,

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Lightning Crashes, and TBD. Oh, perfect. All

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recorded. Choices, dude. Yes, thank you. Good

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shit, man. I figure I have to bust out Lightning

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Crashes at some point, even though I sit for

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two minutes in the beginning and don't do anything.

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Yeah, you have to like scrub it, fast forward.

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What song was I on mental jewelry? Is it mirror

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song that you're playing? It sounds like bongos.

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Or do you switch like the snare drum to the bongo

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sound? Oh, the snare drum is, I would take the

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snares off the snare drum. Ah, this is a kind

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of stupid question because since I'm not a drummer

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or musicians. So in the middle of the song though,

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it switches back to the snap snare drum. Is that?

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recorded separately or did you kind of click

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it on the fly snap back on the snares okay and

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recording yeah got some skills to pay the bills

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hey man hey you got it it's easy to flip your

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snare back on yeah but still i mean you know

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breathing and playing the guitar for me is rough

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so just you know uh bobby why don't you uh pull

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up our first clip so we could uh share with the

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audience and chat and and reminisce a little

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bit here oh here we go This first clip is a little

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telling. Well, I'll just let the audience watch

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and we'll talk. I believe this is from 1997,

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right around the time Samadhi was being released

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or close to. And if you got the sound set, I

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don't see or hear anything, Bobby. So if you

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have it shared, you're going to have to, I'm

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going to stop you again. And then we even prepared

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for this audience. So don't think we're, we're,

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we're flying by. I was supposed to act surprised.

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Like I hadn't seen this before. Right. Right.

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And it's still in fucking work. Damn it. Fourth

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wall gone. Yeah. Bobby share audio at the bottom.

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You see it. Boom. Thank you, sir. And then you

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could just. No matter where you. Bobby, why don't

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you pause it and get it to the time you want?

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This is cool. The power that we have as a band

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is just that friendship, that chemistry that

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we always return to and just why the fans dig

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it. That's our job. Our job is to keep that real

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and to keep that coming from the heart. In concert,

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we'll be right back. The power of a band is the

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four of us, right? Yes. That's what I wanted

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to say. So he knows it. We all know it, but we

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don't have it. Oh, he knew it then, but he probably

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thinks it's something different now, but it's

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fine. Yeah. You know, you got to wonder, man,

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if I'm going to say kind of maybe egos and stuff,

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and I completely get Ed's side. If somebody's

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taking credit for writing your music, you get

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bitter about it. You don't want to even share

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in the creative process because then they could

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then take it and say, oh, well, I came up with

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this. So I see his point of view, but. God damn

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it, dude. Did the, uh, did it just get fucked

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up, you know, a little bit with, with it not

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happening the way it did on your, you know, first

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four, four albums or so. Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean,

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I, I totally see a side tooth with the whole

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Chad Taylor thing. He, he had been discussed

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with him and he had told him not to do it. And,

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you know, I, I even bring it up to, I brought

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it up to him years and years later and he still

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does it. He still goes out and says, I wrote

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solely the drama right there. It's like, Dude,

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you wrote the guitar part. It became selling

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the drama, but you didn't write the whole fucking

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song. Stop taking credit for it. I get that part

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of Ed for sure. Absolutely. Obviously, it's rooted

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in ego, which is fine. Ed's very proud of what

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he has produced as lyrics and melody. He's very

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good at it and very amazing lyricist. Agreed.

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You don't want someone taking credit for that,

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but on the other hand, it's like, You cut off

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your nose to spite your face at this point. Destroy

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the relationships in the band. The band disintegrates

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over time and now we're in a fucking shit show.

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Well put, man. Yeah! Yeah, baby! But now to hop

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onto some other fun clips from this video. Oh,

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and by the way, someone made a comment like,

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I don't know, it's like, stop discussing stuff.

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It's like, well, it's my life. I feel like talking

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about it sometimes and I fucking will. If you

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don't like it, don't watch. Exactly. As always.

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Not only is it your life, it's your show too.

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So if you don't like it, peace. If I want to

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discuss it therapeutically, I'll fucking discuss

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it. You know, whatever. And for anybody who says

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something like that, I mean, what do they just

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sit there and hide their feelings and don't talk

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about things? That's the way you heal and move

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on. I mean, for somebody to say something like

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that is just... naive and, and they're probably

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don't have their own life in order. So keep your

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fricking comments to yourself. It was a comment.

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It was something about it. And the end of the

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comment was like, write a new story. And it's

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like, well, I am writing a new story, but sometimes

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I'm going to talk about, right. You know, with

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my past things that have happened to me. Exactly.

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We can't let all you people know what's coming

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on the horizon, but I promise you some very,

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very cool fricking shit. If you don't mind me

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using that, uh, that language. Bobby, go to the

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next clip if you could, sir. And then, yeah,

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just pull it up, keep it paused, and then when

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I say play, if you could play, that'd be great.

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Share what sounds. Specific directions, okay.

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Yeah, I'm going to, you know. This is a cool

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clip, Chad. This is, I love how he doesn't have

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it queued up to the time stamp. Bobby, you are

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my favorite person on this show right now. I

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must tell you, uh, it, it is a hard job. He's

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doing it from his phone folks. So, so please

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bear with, uh, please bear with us. Um, but,

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um, we should have it up momentarily. Do you

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want me to stop the share Bobby? So you can get

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it queued up and then, yeah, I'll do that. I'm

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going to stop the share, get it queued up and

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then, uh, share. And then I'll tell you when

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to play, uh, nine times. Nine times the charm

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here, people. We'll finally get it. But yeah,

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this is cool. I'm going to spoil what we're going

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to watch. So this is you and Ed from, I believe,

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like 94. You're on bongos, long ass hair, and

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Ed's on the guitar doing acoustic. And that's

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the clip we're going to be watching if we could

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get it up. Are we playing a song in the drama?

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was an MTV studio, I believe.

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I think it was for like 120 minutes or something

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for MTV, I believe. Okay. So, hey, maybe that

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was my fault. Maybe Bobby had it queued up. Go

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ahead, Bobby, share the screen. With audio. And

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please bear with all our religious imagery on

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stage. It's a York, Pennsylvania thing. That's

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right. That's how we got called a Christian band.

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Like, Christian band? Jesus. Well, that's funny

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because his solo stuff almost became, like, kind

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of Christian -esque. Well, he was trying to go

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for that because who did it? Like, well, country

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was kind of, like, starting to, like, kind of

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become more poppy at that point. Oh, I think,

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well, Darius Rucker did it. Here you are, Chad.

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Sweet. Dude. It's the junior congas. Look at

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the hair. I was growing out my hair then. I love

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it, dude. And Ed's got freaking long -ass hair.

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Now, again, I don't want us to get in trouble

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for sharing copyright music, even though you

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have the copyright to it. Eventually, we'll have

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to get that figured out. But so does that bring

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you back? Like, can you remember that performance

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and like being there? Or is it kind of just like,

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you know, a distant memory? No, I remember that

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because it was early on. And I think Selling

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Drama had just come out and we went to MTV to

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do that. It was an MTV studio. So yeah, I remember

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that for sure. Dude, this is a question I want

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to ask you about that. So like, did you already

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know how to play bongos or does it just come

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natural from, from, you know, from drums? Because

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you're laying down some serious stuff for real,

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dude. I'm sure a classically trained like conga

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player or bongo player would be like, what the

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fuck is he doing? Cause I don't know. I'll just

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make it up. So I don't, no idea. Wow. What to

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do properly, but. It sounds good. Dude, from

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flying by the seat of your pants, man, you fucking

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nailed it. Well, thank you. Yeah, dude. It's

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cool to watch. And I noticed you were wearing

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a ring on your right hand. Was that aesthetic

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or was that to hit on the bongos? Aesthetic at

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that point, no. Gotcha. Our next clip, Rob, Bobby

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Yankee, and then we got to go to our guests.

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We got some cool guests coming on, peeps. We

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got two. gentleman from South Africa coming on,

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going to let us know about... Before we get to

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that, I want to talk about the Trump cases in

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floating. It's fucking great. Georgia one, at

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least. The New York one is just a fucking farce.

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But anyway, go ahead. Well, actually, you know

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what, Bobby? We'll play that clip because we

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got time for that. Why don't we hop into that,

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Chad? Talk to me about what was going on there.

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Also, in Georgia case, in Fulton County case,

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the DA is basically going to get disqualified.

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She's... oh my god yeah the whole thing's falling

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apart she basically she she hired this inexperienced

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litigator what the hell is the guy's name forget

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what his name is and paid him 650 000 and part

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of that money was used to go on lavish trips

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to different places and so it was her boyfriend

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you know and this guy was inexperienced he didn't

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have any experience prosecuting cases so he had

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no he had no uh no reason to be on this case

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other than she was paying him and it was her

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Her boyfriend. So that's all coming out. That

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case is going to crumble, as they all are. The

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New York case is fucking funny because now you

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have literally all the developers in New York

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are going, should we invest in this city? Because

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we all do the same thing. Everyone inflates the

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value of their fucking assets to the bank, and

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then the bank says, no, it's worth this. It's

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a negotiation. What the fuck everyone does? It's

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just ridiculous. And now I can't do business

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in New York for three years and I have to pay

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a $354 million fine. There's no victims. Right.

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I kind of want to touch on what you just said

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there because it's very important. You put a

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valuation in and then the bank does their own

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valuation or they accept it. They accepted the

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valuation. And of course, you're going to overvalue

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whatever. But there's no crime there. The crime

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is that they're trying to prosecute this guy

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for this shit when this happens all the time.

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Well, this is the same trial where the judge

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set the value of Mar -a -Lago at $18 million.

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Yeah. So that's fucking criminal. That's like,

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are you serious? It's probably a billion and

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a half on the market. but it's worth $18 million

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in this courtroom just because you say so? Right.

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I mean, it's insane. He's going to appeal it

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and it's going to go away. Even without the house

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or whatever the resort that's there, even if

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you got rid of that, the land itself is worth

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over $18 million. You know what I'm saying? Then

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you got the history. Well, exactly. Yeah, it's

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nuts. And a lot of this is, I don't even care

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if it's Trump. You shouldn't be doing this to

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anybody. Correct. Democrat, Republican, whatever.

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You shouldn't be weaponizing. That's called,

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I learned a new term called lawfare. It's law.

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The Democrats are using lawfare against Trump

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and against any of their political nominees.

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They're using it against all kinds of people.

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Right. It's total lawfare. It's like, use the

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law, find some bullshit statutes or make up shit

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and just prosecute. And they're going after all

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that. And that leads me to my other thing I want

00:15:06.509 --> 00:15:09.669
to talk about, Ashley Biden's diary. Have you

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heard about this whole deal? No. Well, so I think

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it was two years ago. James O 'Keefe said he

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has Ashley Biden's diary. Two women in Florida

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somehow came into possession of this. They sold

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it to him. Of course, the whole narrative was,

00:15:25.429 --> 00:15:27.450
oh, no, it's fake. That's bullshit. Russian plan.

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Of course, all the media piped. Talk about all

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this endlessly about it's bullshit. It's real.

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But in the meantime, when he had this in his

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possession, even though it was fake, guess who

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sends the FBI to raid his house in the middle

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of the night? How's that happen? But now it's

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actually been proven real. And in there, one

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of the passages, one of the famous passages is

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something to the effect of dad will come into

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the shower with me. Like when she was way too

00:16:00.809 --> 00:16:04.330
old for him to come in the shower. Whoa. It's

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alleges a lot of like incestual pedophilia, pedophilia,

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you know, goings on. I'm shocked. With our pedo

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in chief in the office there. I was going to

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say, I'm shocked that creepy hair sniffer Joe

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Biden would have something like that in his family.

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Not, I mean. You know, you see all those videos

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and pictures and like little girls that he made

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feel uncomfortable and you're like, oh, this

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has got to be just, you know, fucking set up

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or something. No, it's fucking real. He makes

00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.840
people feel uncomfortable, gets too close, sniffs

00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:46.879
them like, what the fuck? Yeah. I mean, if you

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have some fucking random guy come up and like

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hug your girl and like sniff her hair, I'd be

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like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. Dude,

00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:58.389
back off. Exactly. And one of the things I want

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to let in our guests, but did you see that? So

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whoever was deciding on his classified documents

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that he had just opened in his garage, this is

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what they said. They said that he is too old

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and mentally unfit to stand trial on this. It's

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just an old man mistake. But he's not too old

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and unfit to fucking run this country and run

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again in this election year? What the fuck, man?

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This is where we live. This is the clown world

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we fucking live in. And everybody on the left

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is like, oh, he's great. He's doing a great job.

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Look at him. Right. And this is what I want people

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to know from myself, especially, but I'm sure

00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.440
Chad, too. This is wrong from all ends, if it's

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done on the left, if it's done on the right.

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That's why we're raising these questions. Unfortunately,

00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:51.599
you know, a lot of the wrong stuff's being done

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to Trump, but that's not what the issue is. The

00:17:54.500 --> 00:17:57.400
issue is that what's happening is wrong, no matter

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who the fuck it's done to. Yeah, neither side

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should be weaponizing government against a political

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opponent. Exactly. Unless the political opponent

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actually did illegal shit. But we can, that's

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a whole nother show. That's dude. We have like

00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:16.740
900 other shows to get to, but I'm going to start

00:18:16.740 --> 00:18:19.940
letting in our guests and hop on. Cause I'm excited

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to talk to these gentlemen. I don't know if they're

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together or if they're separate, but I do have,

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you know, just, I see one trying to be let in

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cash shell. If you're there. Hello. Hello. Probably

00:18:35.939 --> 00:18:38.039
going to take a second. The only thing I have

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concerns with is the Wi -Fi and stuff over there.

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I don't know if it's going to be like when we

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had Scott on and it'll be all choppy and stuff.

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But if you are there, Cashel, you got to unmute

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and turn your video on, my man. But yeah, that's

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what I want because Don came on and said we're

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basically a right -wing show. And maybe a lot

00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:05.859
of our points go to that way. Like I said, I'm

00:19:05.859 --> 00:19:07.859
in the middle, man. I was a registered Democrat.

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I wish that there was people in the Democratic

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Party that were in charge and that were doing

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it the ways of the past, the way that the Democratic

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Party started off. This new fashion that's taken

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over and does not have America's best interest

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at heart, that's what I'm against. The same way

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I'm against fucking right -wings trying to take

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away abortion and all that stuff. It's not just

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left and right. Pointing out and we're pointing

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out what's fucking bad, period. What up, Cashel?

00:19:37.950 --> 00:19:40.150
Hey, what's happening, guys? Chilling, dude.

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Howdy. I love the room you're in. I don't know

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if... Thanks. Yeah, dude. I don't know if you

00:19:47.210 --> 00:19:50.869
spoke to Dylan or anything, but I sent the link

00:19:50.869 --> 00:19:52.730
to both. I don't see him in here, but we'll start

00:19:52.730 --> 00:19:55.470
this way. If he comes in, he comes in. Dylan

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followed me earlier and said he was ready. So

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I said, okay, cool. He lives like 500 Ks from

00:20:07.130 --> 00:20:08.730
me. I wouldn't know what that is in miles, but

00:20:08.730 --> 00:20:12.089
he lives quite far. That sounds very far in miles.

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I'll put it that way. Yeah. It's probably like

00:20:16.009 --> 00:20:19.990
250 miles, 300 miles, something like that. It's

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a guess. Oh, I thought kilometers were longer

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than miles. That's how dumb I am. 100 kilometers

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is 62 miles. I know that. Well, Ted's actually

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played in where he lives, Johannesburg. Oh, yes.

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Where do you live? I live on the border of Mozambique

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and South Africa. It's called a small little

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town called Kamaripuat, right against the Kruger

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National Park. Okay. Yeah, one time we went to

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Sabi Sabi. Sabi Sabi, okay, yeah. Yeah, and I

00:20:50.990 --> 00:20:52.630
guess that was right next to Kruger National

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Park as well, but it's a private reserve, I believe.

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It's a private reserve that's like in the Kruger

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Park. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Our town has

00:21:03.529 --> 00:21:06.329
a fence and this fence literally borders. That's

00:21:06.329 --> 00:21:09.009
the border. This little fence between the Kruger

00:21:09.009 --> 00:21:11.950
Park and the town. And I was telling John like,

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I don't think it was yesterday or today. well

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monday i can't remember that we've had lions

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cruising around our town it's like you walk out

00:21:19.619 --> 00:21:21.460
the pub and there's like there's a lion in my

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car and you're like still trying to decide is

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it a lion or am i just right does anyone get

00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:32.000
attacked luckily no that's great um i've been

00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:35.079
chased by a buffalo yeah well we're playing paintball

00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:38.019
in the bush right yeah they've got their own

00:21:38.019 --> 00:21:43.089
little temperament value right So Chad, he tells

00:21:43.089 --> 00:21:45.069
me, he's like, yeah, you know, I walk out my

00:21:45.069 --> 00:21:47.650
door, I see elephants, lions, and I'm like, holy

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shit. I'm like, that's totally cool and radical.

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But if that lion's hungry, dude, you better look

00:21:52.390 --> 00:21:54.910
the F out because you don't know what they're

00:21:54.910 --> 00:21:58.369
going to do. I've been here 19 years now, and

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we own a fuel station as a family business here

00:22:01.970 --> 00:22:07.250
in Kamaripur. And I've seen, well, I go to work

00:22:07.250 --> 00:22:10.450
at like four in the morning. So I've seen lion.

00:22:10.990 --> 00:22:13.190
i've seen leopard just cruising down our maid

00:22:13.190 --> 00:22:18.390
road wow and yeah we got phoned by our the the

00:22:18.390 --> 00:22:22.769
petrol tenants and um in the very weird english

00:22:22.769 --> 00:22:27.569
they said uh ion ion ion and i said what he goes

00:22:27.569 --> 00:22:33.490
over the phone the international sound for oh

00:22:33.490 --> 00:22:38.069
just going down bro still let me ask you this

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patch If let's just say you did lock eyes with

00:22:41.779 --> 00:22:44.680
a lion and this motherfucker starts moving toward

00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:47.220
you, what do you do in that circumstance? Like,

00:22:47.259 --> 00:22:48.940
I know what a bear you're supposed to like get

00:22:48.940 --> 00:22:51.119
big and yell and stuff like, but I don't think

00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:53.779
that works with the lion. Do you have any idea

00:22:53.779 --> 00:22:56.480
like what you should do in that situation? And

00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:58.900
if not, I think you should, if you're seeing

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them when you walk out your door. Well, look,

00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:04.660
I think if you have to come face to face with

00:23:04.660 --> 00:23:07.740
a lion. I don't think you stand much of a chance,

00:23:07.779 --> 00:23:09.299
dude, whether you're going to try and make yourself

00:23:09.299 --> 00:23:13.380
bigger or not. Sorry. One thing I wouldn't do

00:23:13.380 --> 00:23:15.779
is try to run, I think, because there's no way

00:23:15.779 --> 00:23:17.839
you're going to outrun it. Then you pray for

00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:19.940
sure that they start chasing you in your butt.

00:23:20.900 --> 00:23:25.599
Yeah, but also I remember South Africa is very

00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:32.940
gun -happy, like the US. In that case, would

00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:37.740
you be armed? Yeah. Are you strapped? Most of

00:23:37.740 --> 00:23:44.420
us are. Nice. Given the country's history and

00:23:44.420 --> 00:23:47.720
everything, it can get very volatile very quickly

00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:51.000
here as well. Cash, why don't you tell the audience

00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:55.299
a little bit about yourself, musician stuff and

00:23:55.299 --> 00:23:56.960
what you got going on in South Africa just so

00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:00.339
they can be introduced to you. Well, I used to

00:24:00.339 --> 00:24:02.859
have my own two bands and then I went to doing

00:24:02.859 --> 00:24:05.579
session work. I actually got further doing session

00:24:05.579 --> 00:24:07.559
work than I did having my own original bands.

00:24:09.299 --> 00:24:12.759
Which we, sorry, we did mainly covers and then

00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:16.180
had some originals like I sent you. I think it

00:24:16.180 --> 00:24:18.839
was today that I sent you that did so well overseas.

00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:22.519
We were going to tour that whole album in Europe

00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:28.779
and then COVID. Lockdown. Everything just fell

00:24:28.779 --> 00:24:32.359
apart. Luckily, we were about to pay for visas.

00:24:34.369 --> 00:24:36.890
And lockdown came. It's like, okay, well, let's

00:24:36.890 --> 00:24:41.049
hold the money back. Wow. So now I do a lot of

00:24:41.049 --> 00:24:45.150
session work. I do a lot of live shows for other

00:24:45.150 --> 00:24:50.450
artists. You, Chad, obviously know session work

00:24:50.450 --> 00:24:54.809
and that kind of stuff. So, you know, it's fun,

00:24:54.990 --> 00:24:59.869
but it's also, it's not your own. It's more like

00:24:59.869 --> 00:25:03.700
a job -ish rather than like if you're, in a band

00:25:03.700 --> 00:25:06.700
creating the music playing it live i would think

00:25:06.700 --> 00:25:09.000
maybe more the session work is more like a a

00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:12.339
job so to speak in the music field i don't know

00:25:12.339 --> 00:25:14.259
i'm lucky i've got to work with a lot of guys

00:25:14.259 --> 00:25:18.200
that actually want to hear your opinion and your

00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:22.420
ideas which which is cool you know whether they

00:25:22.420 --> 00:25:26.079
use it or not take it to face value it's cool

00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:30.259
i've just finished running a um doing a stunt

00:25:30.259 --> 00:25:36.079
now with uh a person here in South Africa where

00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:39.720
this is my first week without a gig for forever.

00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:46.359
Wow. So you're staying busy? I have to. I can't

00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:50.380
stand still after COVID. I have to play. I hate

00:25:50.380 --> 00:25:54.720
sitting still. I wouldn't force everyone to sit

00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:58.019
still. Right. If being locked down for that long

00:25:58.019 --> 00:26:00.779
didn't light a fire under you to want to be out.

00:26:01.130 --> 00:26:02.990
I don't know what will. What was it like in South

00:26:02.990 --> 00:26:06.329
Africa? Were you guys totally locked down? How

00:26:06.329 --> 00:26:10.109
did your country deal with it? We had a session.

00:26:10.490 --> 00:26:15.329
What do you call it? Certain people could still

00:26:15.329 --> 00:26:19.049
go to work, but in half capacity and then a third

00:26:19.049 --> 00:26:23.269
or a quarter capacity. We were seen as an essential

00:26:23.269 --> 00:26:27.089
business because we are trading as fuel and everything

00:26:27.089 --> 00:26:34.460
else as our main income. so uh yeah i employed

00:26:34.460 --> 00:26:37.920
my ex two bandmates the drama and i are still

00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:39.759
very good mates and we still do a lot of side

00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:44.019
projects together as sales reps so automatically

00:26:44.019 --> 00:26:49.960
well on paper so they automatically became essential

00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:52.140
workers and they could travel to me and i could

00:26:52.140 --> 00:26:53.799
travel to them and we could rehearse throughout

00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.960
oh nice i like it so at least we were still playing

00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.099
but you know you missed you missed the live vibe

00:26:59.849 --> 00:27:03.470
It was like a mafia no -show job where they're

00:27:03.470 --> 00:27:06.430
basically getting paid to not work, but they're

00:27:06.430 --> 00:27:08.130
off doing their own thing, whereas you might

00:27:08.130 --> 00:27:09.650
not have been paying them to work, but it seemed

00:27:09.650 --> 00:27:10.809
like they were working, but they were really

00:27:10.809 --> 00:27:14.230
doing music is what I'm gathering. Look, the

00:27:14.230 --> 00:27:16.049
three of us, if we had to sit still, even the

00:27:16.049 --> 00:27:18.269
four of us, I mean, my dad, believe it or not,

00:27:18.369 --> 00:27:21.769
he's turning 71 this year. Congrats. Happy birthday,

00:27:21.849 --> 00:27:25.410
Dad. Beginning of last year, he was still our

00:27:25.410 --> 00:27:30.079
active bass player. Oh, wow. Nice. Very great.

00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:34.160
Yeah, I've done some of the biggest shows of

00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:36.640
my life with my dad on stage as our bass player.

00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.059
Oh, wow, that's so cool. That is very cool. It's

00:27:40.059 --> 00:27:42.900
very sweet, eh? Yeah. Is that where you learned

00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:46.160
to play guitar from him? I actually learned to

00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:48.240
play by ear when I was 12. So I started when

00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:50.140
I was 12. That's how I learned how to play drums.

00:27:51.539 --> 00:27:56.140
You try to explain to someone that back then

00:27:56.140 --> 00:28:00.009
we didn't have YouTube. Learning stuff actually

00:28:00.009 --> 00:28:03.230
helped us more. Oh, yeah, yeah. You didn't have

00:28:03.230 --> 00:28:04.890
a visual reference at all. You had to listen

00:28:04.890 --> 00:28:08.069
to it and figure it out. You get all these platforms

00:28:08.069 --> 00:28:10.750
on the web like Ultimate Guitar and stuff like

00:28:10.750 --> 00:28:15.190
that. Yeah. I would go check it out just to,

00:28:15.289 --> 00:28:18.710
am I? Or are they wrong? Am I wrong? Kind of

00:28:18.710 --> 00:28:22.230
thing. Right, right, yeah. And I've got a very

00:28:22.230 --> 00:28:24.869
good mate that he and I, we try to do a jam session

00:28:24.869 --> 00:28:27.230
like this online because he also lives in Johannesburg.

00:28:28.220 --> 00:28:32.079
And like once a week, as much as we can. And

00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:35.500
he's also a very good session guitarist. I've

00:28:35.500 --> 00:28:38.319
learned a lot from him about the business and

00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.640
theory and all this other stuff about music,

00:28:41.700 --> 00:28:43.440
which you don't learn when you pick it up. Like,

00:28:43.460 --> 00:28:45.640
yeah. Right. But also it's like, I guess to a

00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:47.160
point, like, okay, I'm done with this theory

00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:51.500
thing. Can we do something fun now? Well, since

00:28:51.500 --> 00:28:53.319
you guys are both musicians, let me ask you this,

00:28:53.420 --> 00:28:56.480
because to me, I feel like you could. like be

00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:59.140
taught theory and technically learn it. I don't

00:28:59.140 --> 00:29:01.420
know if you could learn to have that musical

00:29:01.420 --> 00:29:03.220
ear. I think that might be something you're born

00:29:03.220 --> 00:29:06.339
with. What do you guys think about that? Um,

00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:09.759
I think it's, yeah, anybody can learn music theory

00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:14.640
and you can learn an instrument, but to have

00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.380
a certain feel or pick it up by ear is definitely

00:29:17.380 --> 00:29:21.960
natural talent. I would say. Yeah. Well, the

00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:24.549
only reason I said that. Sorry, guys. The only

00:29:24.549 --> 00:29:29.250
reason why is because I'm a very amateur guitarist,

00:29:29.250 --> 00:29:34.809
but I don't know if a G chord is a D chord. It

00:29:34.809 --> 00:29:37.049
doesn't hear. I could tell I'm playing the song

00:29:37.049 --> 00:29:38.490
right. That's not what you told me. You said

00:29:38.490 --> 00:29:40.289
the spandex six is coming out at the beginning

00:29:40.289 --> 00:29:43.029
of May. You're not supposed to tell the audience.

00:29:43.109 --> 00:29:46.289
Yes. Come on. Damn it. You heard it here first.

00:29:46.750 --> 00:29:50.450
That's right. So Cash asked me, he goes, is it

00:29:50.450 --> 00:29:52.069
cool if I smoke on the show? I'm like, dude,

00:29:52.109 --> 00:29:54.009
do whatever the fuck you want as long as you're

00:29:54.009 --> 00:29:56.490
not going to be naked and doing whatever. We

00:29:56.490 --> 00:29:59.509
don't care. Definitely not naked. Yes. Oh, but

00:29:59.509 --> 00:30:01.809
Chad can tell you, Slavikans are very polite.

00:30:02.569 --> 00:30:04.630
And if we're not very polite, we can be very

00:30:04.630 --> 00:30:07.150
flippin' rude very flippin' quickly. I love it.

00:30:07.170 --> 00:30:11.450
So I'd rather ask than assume because assumption

00:30:11.450 --> 00:30:13.049
is the mother of all fuck -ups. You know what

00:30:13.049 --> 00:30:16.589
I mean? There you go. It sounds like a lot of

00:30:16.589 --> 00:30:18.349
people from New Jersey. So I think New Jersey

00:30:18.349 --> 00:30:20.130
and South Africans get along real well then.

00:30:20.869 --> 00:30:25.650
I really think guys from places like New Jersey

00:30:25.650 --> 00:30:28.269
and Boston and those kind of things, if they

00:30:28.269 --> 00:30:32.710
come to South Africa, that must be like a total

00:30:32.710 --> 00:30:38.349
mindfuck for them. Because of like what? Imagine

00:30:38.349 --> 00:30:40.910
landing in Johannesburg. Chad, you've done it

00:30:40.910 --> 00:30:43.509
once. Your first time. You've landed there. Did

00:30:43.509 --> 00:30:45.559
you ever look out that window and go, holy where

00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:50.119
the am i oh yeah i mean yeah especially i remember

00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:52.180
landing in johannesburg and especially i remember

00:30:52.180 --> 00:30:54.400
landing in cape town because you could drive

00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:56.519
all the way through the slums from the airport

00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:02.880
oh yeah oh yeah i was just like whoa where the

00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:09.220
are we this is nuts that was insane just underdeveloped

00:31:09.220 --> 00:31:12.480
chad like it doesn't no no no no it's like shanty

00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:16.079
shacks made of like metal Corrugated sheets.

00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.599
Corrugated sheets, exactly. Thank you. Corrugated

00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.160
sheets like it's like slapped together and they

00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.660
go on for like miles on either side of the highway

00:31:23.660 --> 00:31:26.299
or just like, holy shit, gigantic shantytowns.

00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.839
Wow. District 9, but without the aliens. Ah,

00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.079
I got it. District 9, yeah, that was actually

00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.160
made in South Africa. I know, I love that movie.

00:31:36.339 --> 00:31:38.920
It's great. Oh, really? Yes. When the guy's sussing,

00:31:38.980 --> 00:31:43.700
you're fucking prone. Exactly. Dude, by the way,

00:31:44.269 --> 00:31:46.589
If and when you come to America, dude, the ladies

00:31:46.589 --> 00:31:48.690
are going to love that accent. I promise you.

00:31:48.769 --> 00:31:51.210
There's certain accents that they love, British,

00:31:51.309 --> 00:31:55.250
Irish, South African. They're all Italian. They're

00:31:55.250 --> 00:31:58.069
all on that spectrum of women love the accent.

00:31:58.410 --> 00:32:02.130
I saw a lady walk into your room before. If you're

00:32:02.130 --> 00:32:03.549
going to still be with her when you come to the

00:32:03.549 --> 00:32:05.930
U .S., you might want to leave her back there.

00:32:06.009 --> 00:32:08.609
I'm just saying. I'm kind of locked down, bro.

00:32:08.809 --> 00:32:13.900
Ah, my bad, my bad, my bad. No, no. it's quite

00:32:13.900 --> 00:32:16.680
funny because you know as you do shows and you

00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:21.740
start playing with more and more um popular bands

00:32:21.740 --> 00:32:23.779
as a session muso or something or like their

00:32:23.779 --> 00:32:25.599
guitarists are sick and they get you in like

00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:28.779
just because they can't cancel the show now and

00:32:28.779 --> 00:32:34.079
um you see it and i'm a prankster i like we we

00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:35.839
did a show there's a guy i don't know if you've

00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.680
heard of him i know he records a lot in he's

00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:41.039
south african he records a lot in the us he's

00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:45.869
called jeremy loops I don't know. He does this

00:32:45.869 --> 00:32:47.690
whole thing with the looping station and he creates

00:32:47.690 --> 00:32:49.970
his songs and he's got his whole band and everything.

00:32:50.750 --> 00:32:56.049
And then we opened a few years ago. And while

00:32:56.049 --> 00:32:59.490
we were doing soundcheck, there were these ladies

00:32:59.490 --> 00:33:02.890
in front like, oh my God, you know. It's like,

00:33:02.970 --> 00:33:05.430
wow. And then my wife's standing there. By then

00:33:05.430 --> 00:33:10.519
we were dating. We weren't even engaged. I was

00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:12.599
doing soundcheck on the mic and whatever. And

00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.180
I look at her and say, Hey lady, you with a camera.

00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.220
And she, my wife knows I'm talking about it.

00:33:17.259 --> 00:33:18.759
And she, her head goes down and she looks up

00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:21.740
and goes, yes. And no one knows it'd be dating

00:33:21.740 --> 00:33:24.039
all the crowd there in front. I'm taking you

00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:28.420
home tonight. Everyone's like, Oh my God, did

00:33:28.420 --> 00:33:34.680
you hear him? I love it. Like a little role play

00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:38.940
between you two, kind of. It's nice to get a

00:33:38.940 --> 00:33:41.599
rise out of people sometimes. Just hit them with

00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:45.299
the unexpected. It's like this misogynist thinking

00:33:45.299 --> 00:33:47.019
he could just pull a girl out of the audience

00:33:47.019 --> 00:33:49.579
and take her home. And it's more like, look,

00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:53.599
she's actually going. Right. And then they're

00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.859
saying it's only because he has a guitar strapped.

00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:57.519
And without that guitar, he wouldn't be able

00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.990
to pull her. He's a loser. Money for nothing

00:34:00.990 --> 00:34:03.529
and chicks for free, man. Come on. Where are

00:34:03.529 --> 00:34:06.130
those days? Where are those days, man? Are they

00:34:06.130 --> 00:34:11.489
coming back? I don't know. So, Cashel, when we

00:34:11.489 --> 00:34:13.929
were originally, I think when we originally hooked

00:34:13.929 --> 00:34:16.610
up with you and Dylan or maybe Dylan first, I

00:34:16.610 --> 00:34:18.769
don't really know how it came about, but we were

00:34:18.769 --> 00:34:22.389
discussing like some of the stuff going on in

00:34:22.389 --> 00:34:24.989
South Africa. And again, I'm very uneducated

00:34:24.989 --> 00:34:27.289
on the subject and I kind of wanted to get educated

00:34:27.289 --> 00:34:31.150
on here about it. I believe like a kind of synopsis

00:34:31.150 --> 00:34:34.630
of the story I heard was, I guess people who

00:34:34.630 --> 00:34:40.409
were originally on some land are now trying to,

00:34:40.429 --> 00:34:43.309
or taking the land back over and kicking off

00:34:43.309 --> 00:34:45.170
these farmers that have lived there for a bunch

00:34:45.170 --> 00:34:48.389
of years and then putting people on this land

00:34:48.389 --> 00:34:50.989
that basically doesn't know, like they don't

00:34:50.989 --> 00:34:53.949
know how to farm the land. It could create a

00:34:53.949 --> 00:34:57.349
problem in the future -ish, so to speak. Am I

00:34:57.349 --> 00:35:00.329
on the path here? Is that something that's going

00:35:00.329 --> 00:35:07.610
on over there? Look, politics is a South African

00:35:07.610 --> 00:35:10.789
thing. I mean, this whole country, everyone knows

00:35:10.789 --> 00:35:15.489
it to be one political ball of twine. So there

00:35:15.489 --> 00:35:19.909
are certain political groups saying take back

00:35:19.909 --> 00:35:22.829
the land. And there are political groups going,

00:35:22.989 --> 00:35:25.230
but you can't. You don't legally own it, so you

00:35:25.230 --> 00:35:27.769
can't just take it. You know, you want it, buy

00:35:27.769 --> 00:35:31.550
it. Right. The guy doesn't want to sell, which

00:35:31.550 --> 00:35:33.489
they normally do. It's like the guys, the farmers

00:35:33.489 --> 00:35:36.269
will go, no. It also depends on which area you

00:35:36.269 --> 00:35:40.289
are. It's like if you're in, like my area, Kamaripuat,

00:35:40.389 --> 00:35:42.750
it's a very, I think our population must be about

00:35:42.750 --> 00:35:47.510
4 ,000, 4 ,500 people. So, you know, if there's

00:35:47.510 --> 00:35:51.659
a farm attack, people go out and help. ah if

00:35:51.659 --> 00:35:54.880
there's an attack in town the farmers come out

00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.599
and help nice and um you know it's that whole

00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:03.500
it's also the whole thing about um i hate to

00:36:03.500 --> 00:36:07.500
say this but the whole apartheid thing you know

00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:11.860
they think they're gonna kill get be killed and

00:36:11.860 --> 00:36:14.079
those things they are gonna kill you know so

00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:19.349
i don't see it happening because um as the world

00:36:19.349 --> 00:36:21.309
didn't stand for apartheid i don't think the

00:36:21.309 --> 00:36:23.690
world will stand for that kind of either right

00:36:23.690 --> 00:36:26.409
so you know basically reverse apartheid yeah

00:36:26.409 --> 00:36:31.030
yeah well look in some places right is i mean

00:36:31.030 --> 00:36:37.550
we i i have uh obviously um black uh south african

00:36:37.550 --> 00:36:39.949
guys that work for me uh there's a guy that's

00:36:39.949 --> 00:36:44.340
been with me for 19 years I mean, I paid for

00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:46.900
his license. I've paid for his kid to go to school.

00:36:47.500 --> 00:36:51.760
He works, he's a supervisor. He drives our vehicles

00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:55.699
and everything like that. And his name's Timber.

00:36:56.099 --> 00:37:03.719
And he himself, I mean, he's 37 now, 38, somewhere

00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:08.039
around there. He will sit with me and go, where

00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.800
are we going with this? What future is there

00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:17.239
for my kid in this country? Yeah. He'll do all

00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:19.739
those kind of things. We'll have these long debates,

00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.739
who to vote for, who not to vote for. I always

00:37:23.739 --> 00:37:26.039
say this. It doesn't matter who you vote in.

00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.039
I've said it a million times. The ANC's policy

00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:34.119
and party is not bad. They've just got the wrong

00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:38.440
people in the wrong positions. Put it that way.

00:37:39.340 --> 00:37:42.739
It can happen with any political party. I mean,

00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:44.579
Trump's party could be there. If Trump's not

00:37:44.579 --> 00:37:46.159
in there, they could have the wrong person there

00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:49.960
or Biden. Look, I heard what you guys were saying

00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.300
about Biden earlier before you put me on. Yeah.

00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:56.199
Do you guys think you have a random president?

00:37:57.300 --> 00:38:00.699
Holy shit. Did you not see our Zuma era, our

00:38:00.699 --> 00:38:03.280
Ramaphosa era? Well, it's still Ramaphosa era.

00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:08.210
I mean, you know, as things fly. i mean you could

00:38:08.210 --> 00:38:10.409
bankrupt the country like assume i did and just

00:38:10.409 --> 00:38:14.369
not go to jail for it it's cool yeah it seems

00:38:14.369 --> 00:38:16.750
like the politicians live by their own set of

00:38:16.750 --> 00:38:20.070
laws um as opposed to us normies normal citizens

00:38:20.070 --> 00:38:27.070
yeah and the funny thing is um their own their

00:38:27.070 --> 00:38:29.170
own kind their own people you know all south

00:38:29.170 --> 00:38:31.150
africans black white indian doesn't matter what

00:38:31.150 --> 00:38:35.480
you are we all see it Right, and the government

00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:39.420
stoked those racial divisions to keep the populace,

00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.000
you know, concentrated on that instead of the

00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.679
fucked up shit that they're doing. Bro, they

00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:48.800
are, but in the same sense, you know, anyone

00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:53.900
that's about 30 and younger, you know, especially

00:38:53.900 --> 00:38:59.599
in the black population, they're all like, you're

00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.280
fucking us over more than what you're actually

00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:05.599
helping us. Yeah. You know, because these guys

00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:08.260
can think for themselves. You know, they could

00:39:08.260 --> 00:39:11.500
back then. They can now. Right. You know, and

00:39:11.500 --> 00:39:14.019
I'm not saying what happened back then was right.

00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:15.760
I'm not saying what's happening now is right.

00:39:15.860 --> 00:39:17.780
But, you know, anyone can think for yourself.

00:39:18.380 --> 00:39:21.420
Yeah. Is this a good or a bad thing? I mean,

00:39:21.460 --> 00:39:28.039
you can speak to any old generation black gentleman

00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.000
or black female, even white or Indians. Take

00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:32.960
Indians. Indians are never mentioned in narration.

00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:38.500
I mean, I can remember having, I was like four

00:39:38.500 --> 00:39:40.440
or five. I can remember having an Indian daycare

00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:44.139
lady. Like a Native American or an actual person?

00:39:44.219 --> 00:39:47.179
Oh, Indian from India. Oh, okay. That was born

00:39:47.179 --> 00:39:49.699
in Durban, raised in Durban. My mom and dad come

00:39:49.699 --> 00:39:54.659
from India. Yeah. You know? And that was my nanny.

00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:56.739
And she was the coolest chick on the other side.

00:39:57.900 --> 00:40:00.559
You know? If I was in trouble, she'd give me

00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.679
a hiding. I'd tell my dad, go do it. You know,

00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:07.079
whatever. You know, my dad would come get me

00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.280
biting her lip. It's like, no, shit. Don't say

00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:17.019
shit. Don't say shit. Fuck. I love it. You would

00:40:17.019 --> 00:40:21.280
fit right in over here, dude. So I said this

00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.179
jokingly, but do you think it would be a good

00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:27.199
idea for Elon Musk to come back to South Africa

00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.679
and try to run for like some high political office

00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:32.980
and get shit under control? Or do you think,

00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.659
He would never do that and got too much on his

00:40:35.659 --> 00:40:40.480
plate or he wouldn't be good for you guys. You

00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.760
know, if you compare him to a standard normal

00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.420
South African, he's very eccentric. I think he's

00:40:46.420 --> 00:40:47.880
very eccentric in any way. Oh, he's definitely

00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.940
eccentric, absolutely. You know, he's got these

00:40:50.940 --> 00:40:52.739
great ideas and I just finished watching this

00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:55.139
thing on Netflix about We Must Go Back to the

00:40:55.139 --> 00:40:57.880
Moon or something like that. It was about Elon

00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.300
and his SpaceX, is it? SpaceX, yeah, correct.

00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:06.289
Yeah, yeah. I mean, shit, okay. But, I mean,

00:41:06.329 --> 00:41:08.650
if you want to get someone rich and famous and

00:41:08.650 --> 00:41:10.989
whatever to come back and run South Africa or

00:41:10.989 --> 00:41:13.849
try to have a party, you can always ask Dave

00:41:13.849 --> 00:41:15.909
Matthews. He was born in Durban, if I'm not mistaken.

00:41:16.150 --> 00:41:18.750
That's true. I wanted to bring that up to both

00:41:18.750 --> 00:41:22.090
of you, actually, because it's a very sad story

00:41:22.090 --> 00:41:24.250
to come out of Dave Matthews. I don't know if

00:41:24.250 --> 00:41:27.739
you guys know this, but his sister... uh was

00:41:27.739 --> 00:41:30.480
living and married to somebody in south africa

00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:32.380
because his family i don't know if he was born

00:41:32.380 --> 00:41:34.360
there or he went there very young and then whatever

00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.559
but uh he was born in durban but left very young

00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:42.679
okay yeah um but his sister and the story wasn't

00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:44.139
out for a very long time because he didn't speak

00:41:44.139 --> 00:41:46.760
about it publicly but she was murdered by uh

00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:50.719
her husband um over there and like in a very

00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:54.170
brutal way And basically Dave had to take over

00:41:54.170 --> 00:41:57.809
and raise her kids, so to speak. Did you guys

00:41:57.809 --> 00:41:59.869
hear that story? Chad, you as well? I've never

00:41:59.869 --> 00:42:02.070
heard that. Oh, really? Yeah, because he kept

00:42:02.070 --> 00:42:03.909
on the raps for a year. Did you hear about that,

00:42:03.949 --> 00:42:10.489
Cash? No. Yeah. I've got a lot of respect for

00:42:10.489 --> 00:42:15.170
him. He's not my go -to choice for a CD or something.

00:42:15.670 --> 00:42:18.110
I've got a lot of respect for what he does. I've

00:42:18.110 --> 00:42:21.030
seen him live twice in South Africa. He came.

00:42:21.829 --> 00:42:23.610
towards the end of last year or somewhere this

00:42:23.610 --> 00:42:27.269
year already he's been here for a show and um

00:42:27.269 --> 00:42:34.010
yeah no um i didn't hear that story and this

00:42:34.010 --> 00:42:38.050
was a valentine's story then i don't know maybe

00:42:38.050 --> 00:42:41.630
you know that that's the world for valentine's

00:42:41.630 --> 00:42:45.590
day i bring up a gory murder my bad oh it's happened

00:42:45.590 --> 00:42:50.519
for us yeah let's get serious what was that Oh,

00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.300
yes. Oscar Peturias. Yeah. He shot his chick

00:42:53.300 --> 00:42:57.099
while she was in the bathroom four times on Valentine's

00:42:57.099 --> 00:42:59.219
Day. Remember the athlete with the one leg? Or

00:42:59.219 --> 00:43:01.360
did he have no legs? No, no legs. He's a double

00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.239
amputee, that's right. So he was an athlete and

00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.440
he was a runner, a double amputee runner, and

00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:08.940
he shot his girlfriend through the vent. And

00:43:08.940 --> 00:43:11.300
he actually won the 900 meters, I think it was,

00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:14.400
or the 100 meters in the normal Olympics, not

00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.489
the Paralympics. Wow. You don't remember this

00:43:17.489 --> 00:43:19.030
Oscar Pretorius. You don't remember his name.

00:43:19.170 --> 00:43:21.989
I think I remember the name. And then when you

00:43:21.989 --> 00:43:23.769
start saying the no leg thing, I started to remember,

00:43:23.889 --> 00:43:26.550
but you know, they used to call him blade runner

00:43:26.550 --> 00:43:32.989
because he used to have the blade. Yes. You guys

00:43:32.989 --> 00:43:35.170
hear about this new, he was a trans runner. He

00:43:35.170 --> 00:43:37.449
was a trans runner. So he was identified as a

00:43:37.449 --> 00:43:40.469
full legged runner. No, that you talking about.

00:43:42.070 --> 00:43:45.250
He's joking. He's joking. You talking about Custis

00:43:45.250 --> 00:43:49.039
and me. who's that i don't know who that is oh

00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:55.480
she's she she identifies as a she oh um she's

00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:58.880
competing in women's sports for a long time i

00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:03.079
mean she's held she's got gold medals from olympics

00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:07.340
even and stuff like that so but yeah it speaks

00:44:07.340 --> 00:44:13.320
like this south africa is a never -ending bowl

00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:19.519
of um jokes Well, it was the USA. Jagermeister,

00:44:19.619 --> 00:44:21.400
Red Bull, and Chokes. That's the way we go, bro.

00:44:22.539 --> 00:44:25.739
Dude, what a crappy combination, man, because

00:44:25.739 --> 00:44:28.159
you're drunk as fuck on Jagermeister, and then

00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.219
you're high as fuck on Red Bull, so you're so

00:44:30.219 --> 00:44:32.539
drunk you can't pass out. You're drunk and awake.

00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:36.860
Yes, which is not a good combo, but I love it.

00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:40.280
I saw a picture of Forrest Whitaker, that black

00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:42.699
American actor. He just had that droopy eye.

00:44:43.230 --> 00:44:45.309
I said, that's what happens when you drink a

00:44:45.309 --> 00:44:48.969
sleeping tablet with a Red Bull. Really? You're

00:44:48.969 --> 00:44:50.929
awake, but you're trying to go to sleep. Right.

00:44:51.570 --> 00:44:53.869
One eye's tired, one's eyes awake. No, I did

00:44:53.869 --> 00:44:54.829
a whole, we did a whole tour. He's a brilliant

00:44:54.829 --> 00:44:58.250
actor. I just didn't laugh. I had to. We did

00:44:58.250 --> 00:45:00.469
a whole tour with Counting Crows in 2000 where

00:45:00.469 --> 00:45:03.449
there's Red Bull and vodka was the fucking drink

00:45:03.449 --> 00:45:06.670
of the night. And of course, you know, I think

00:45:06.670 --> 00:45:11.289
I was 30 years. Yeah, around 30 then. So you

00:45:11.289 --> 00:45:14.030
can fucking go play a show, come off stage, drink

00:45:14.030 --> 00:45:16.269
a bunch of Red Bull vodkas, fall asleep in the

00:45:16.269 --> 00:45:18.889
bus, wake up, do it again the next day. Ain't

00:45:18.889 --> 00:45:22.130
happening. No worries. Dude, cash. How old are

00:45:22.130 --> 00:45:26.309
you now, Chad? 52. What time, how old were you

00:45:26.309 --> 00:45:27.769
when you came out to Saturday the first time?

00:45:29.329 --> 00:45:31.889
Oh, that was, I think it was in 99. So I was

00:45:31.889 --> 00:45:37.170
probably 28, I think. I've seen you. No, 29.

00:45:38.139 --> 00:45:40.019
I've seen you every single show you've come up.

00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:43.139
Really? Yeah. I always tell the story about the

00:45:43.139 --> 00:45:44.960
first time coming to Johannesburg because we

00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.260
had never been to South Africa. We fucking land

00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:52.960
and they take us to the Joburg dome. Yeah. That

00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:54.900
was called the cold dome or whatever it was.

00:45:54.980 --> 00:45:56.960
Yeah. And they're like, yeah, you're playing

00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:59.480
here two nights. It's sold out 20 ,000 a night.

00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:03.559
We're like, what the fuck? Wow. Okay, cool. That

00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:06.179
was amazing. And then after one of those shows,

00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.679
In the dressing room, we come off stage and there's

00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:11.500
a young black gentleman sitting there. We're

00:46:11.500 --> 00:46:14.639
like, who are you? He's like, oh, I'm a... Obama.

00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:21.519
What's that? Obama. Not Obama. He was the grandson

00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:28.679
of... Oh, God. Mandela. Mandela, yes. He's Mandela's

00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:33.739
grandson. One of them, yes. Wow. He's just sitting

00:46:33.739 --> 00:46:35.739
there in the dressing room. how'd you get in

00:46:35.739 --> 00:46:37.719
here? He's like, oh, Nelson Mandela's grandson.

00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:41.139
We're like, oh, hello, how are you? Dude, and

00:46:41.139 --> 00:46:43.679
if he wasn't, what a great cover. No, dude, I'm

00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:45.420
Nelson Mandela's nephew. Don't worry about it.

00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:49.980
I got parents. That's awesome. When he drops

00:46:49.980 --> 00:46:52.699
the Nelson Mandela bomb, it's more like, bitch,

00:46:52.699 --> 00:47:03.360
please. If you are related to Madiba, if you're

00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:08.090
a any spring buck especially a world cup winning

00:47:08.090 --> 00:47:10.510
spring buck you know our rugby team and you've

00:47:10.510 --> 00:47:13.530
won the weberless cup which we've did last year

00:47:13.530 --> 00:47:16.250
nice we were the only team to win it back to

00:47:16.250 --> 00:47:18.409
back and we were the only team to win it four

00:47:18.409 --> 00:47:22.230
times in a row well four four times yeah not

00:47:22.230 --> 00:47:26.650
in a row but four times anyways and trickus our

00:47:26.650 --> 00:47:30.289
ufc fighter that's just come back from uh canada

00:47:30.289 --> 00:47:35.420
for beating um Du Plessis, he beat Strickland,

00:47:35.500 --> 00:47:37.780
Sean Strickland. Yeah, Strickland. I mean, if

00:47:37.780 --> 00:47:40.039
you're one of those guys and you walk into any

00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.460
place, the crowd, black, white, it doesn't matter.

00:47:43.300 --> 00:47:45.539
They're around you. They just want to touch you

00:47:45.539 --> 00:47:49.539
or speak to you or, you know. I'm glad you brought

00:47:49.539 --> 00:47:51.760
that up, Cash. Very cool. What was that like

00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:57.530
as a country? Because that's the first. big UFC,

00:47:57.730 --> 00:48:00.710
MMA champion to come out of South Africa. Is

00:48:00.710 --> 00:48:02.829
that a source of pride for you guys? I would

00:48:02.829 --> 00:48:09.170
imagine so. I know, look, coming from a background

00:48:09.170 --> 00:48:11.409
where I've represented South Africa for martial

00:48:11.409 --> 00:48:14.670
arts as well. Nice. Back when I was younger,

00:48:14.710 --> 00:48:21.610
before my accident. That was, it's always a proud

00:48:21.610 --> 00:48:24.360
moment, you know, if your country wins. Especially

00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:26.119
South Africa because we are very sport driven.

00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:32.760
You know, you can talk shit about anyone's mom

00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:34.440
or whatever, but just don't talk shit about our

00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:39.039
team. Oh, that's funny. We'll make you disappear

00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:41.420
with some crocodiles. There you go. Don't talk

00:48:41.420 --> 00:48:45.179
shit about our Springboks or any team of ours

00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:47.199
that we hold sacred, especially the rugby team

00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:50.920
is the biggest. Let's face it. So, I mean, even

00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:54.639
like, you know, it's a wide, it's it's the only

00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:57.719
time really when the whole of south africa as

00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.639
a country stands together yes and now i think

00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:03.440
because this year is an election year for us

00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:08.320
as well for national election so i think you

00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:12.579
know it's gonna pan on forward i think there's

00:49:12.579 --> 00:49:17.480
more camaraderie with the different races and

00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:20.739
stuff and there's more understanding of why bad

00:49:20.739 --> 00:49:23.920
i mean we've been in Democratic now for 30 years.

00:49:25.179 --> 00:49:29.079
Just before you guys came on and we started doing

00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:32.699
this thing, we were in load shedding for the

00:49:32.699 --> 00:49:37.559
third or fourth time today. Oh, where your electricity

00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:40.659
goes? Yeah, our power gets cut for two hours

00:49:40.659 --> 00:49:43.699
at a time. I've heard this, yeah. Two to three

00:49:43.699 --> 00:49:47.699
times a day. Because our power stations can't

00:49:47.699 --> 00:49:50.489
handle the load. Wow. Wasn't there something

00:49:50.489 --> 00:49:51.969
with the government that took over the power

00:49:51.969 --> 00:49:54.289
stations though? It's always been a government

00:49:54.289 --> 00:49:58.610
entity. Oh, it always has? Okay. But why is that

00:49:58.610 --> 00:50:01.710
happening now specifically? Is it a government?

00:50:02.070 --> 00:50:05.010
For 30 years, no one's maintained nothing. Oh,

00:50:05.010 --> 00:50:06.630
got it. It's like our railway. Our railway is

00:50:06.630 --> 00:50:09.809
stolen. Right. It's poor net, what it was back

00:50:09.809 --> 00:50:14.849
then. We also had SAA back then when we became

00:50:14.849 --> 00:50:18.940
a democratic country, even before then. And Eskom,

00:50:18.980 --> 00:50:21.960
which is our power supplier, they were rated,

00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.280
and our military, believe it or not, was rated

00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:30.579
the top in the world. Really? Your, I say your,

00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.219
but the American SEALs used to come and train

00:50:34.219 --> 00:50:36.940
guerrilla tactics here. We taught them how to

00:50:36.940 --> 00:50:40.199
do guerrilla warfare. Wow. Amazing. Back in the

00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:43.860
day. I mean, they used to, I know there was engineers,

00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.219
electrical engineers and stuff from. that used

00:50:47.219 --> 00:50:51.320
to come out and come and see our ESCOM, the way

00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:54.559
we create power for the country. Because it was

00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:56.559
one of the most sophisticated ones in the world.

00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:59.480
And they wanted to do it back there. And then

00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:01.480
you guys went over to nuclear instead of coal.

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:06.900
Yeah. I read a lot of history books. Good. It's

00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:12.530
good, man. Nice. Are these the outages planned?

00:51:12.690 --> 00:51:14.050
Do you know when it's going to happen, or is

00:51:14.050 --> 00:51:17.530
it just random? We got an app on our phone. Oh,

00:51:17.530 --> 00:51:22.550
my God. That's fucking crazy. Lights out, bitches.

00:51:23.190 --> 00:51:28.889
Wow. That is wild. I guess stuff in the fridge

00:51:28.889 --> 00:51:31.269
doesn't go bad in two hours and stuff, but...

00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:34.199
My God, has it ever lasted long enough to where

00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.820
food could boil or you're sitting there in sweltering

00:51:37.820 --> 00:51:39.179
heat because you don't have air conditioning?

00:51:39.380 --> 00:51:42.179
That seems like it could get out of control if

00:51:42.179 --> 00:51:44.559
they decide, hey, two hours isn't enough. We

00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:50.139
need five. So South Africa has got this super

00:51:50.139 --> 00:51:53.239
rich, super poor. Well, not super rich. You're

00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.699
good off. The super rich, that's the government.

00:51:57.179 --> 00:51:59.510
You're never going to get away from that. So

00:51:59.510 --> 00:52:02.789
you're either comfortable making your bread or

00:52:02.789 --> 00:52:05.489
you're super poor. I mean, you saw the shanties

00:52:05.489 --> 00:52:08.530
there in Cape Town and it's no different in Johannesburg.

00:52:09.010 --> 00:52:12.090
You know, so now when we have load shedding,

00:52:12.289 --> 00:52:16.250
you know, we've had to, our businesses can't

00:52:16.250 --> 00:52:19.230
run without power. Right. So we buy these big

00:52:19.230 --> 00:52:24.210
three -phase generators. You're looking at 140,

00:52:24.409 --> 00:52:28.639
150 grand a shot to run. Your whole business.

00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:31.400
They run on diesel or what are they running on?

00:52:31.579 --> 00:52:34.820
Yeah. Well, I sell diesel as a living. Oh, perfect.

00:52:35.019 --> 00:52:37.599
You've got a good supply of diesel then for your

00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:40.519
generator. Yeah. 80 ,000 liters at any given

00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:42.860
time. So that's fine. I was going to say, you're

00:52:42.860 --> 00:52:47.139
all for the power outages then. Look, it happens.

00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:49.179
But also in the same sense, we kind of guys like,

00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:53.480
shit, you know, let's say this lodge buys 700

00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:57.139
liters every second day from me. Wow. And we

00:52:57.139 --> 00:53:00.480
deliver it. It's like, let's give him a better

00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:03.900
price. Come on, man. You know, he also needs

00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:05.820
to make something and survive. We all need to

00:53:05.820 --> 00:53:09.300
survive. And that's how the country is actually

00:53:09.300 --> 00:53:12.739
working with each other a hell of a lot. You

00:53:12.739 --> 00:53:15.480
know, we all want to survive. We all want to,

00:53:15.539 --> 00:53:20.460
you know, we get told a lot that our power outages

00:53:20.460 --> 00:53:23.820
are almost over another four or five years. Great.

00:53:24.690 --> 00:53:28.210
So it seems there's a lot of camaraderie with

00:53:28.210 --> 00:53:30.570
the South African people, even if they're not

00:53:30.570 --> 00:53:33.289
being treated as fairly as they should be by

00:53:33.289 --> 00:53:35.789
the government. But at least you guys band together,

00:53:35.909 --> 00:53:38.750
it seems, and do what is necessary to get by

00:53:38.750 --> 00:53:42.369
and to survive, which is a beautiful thing when

00:53:42.369 --> 00:53:44.909
it comes down to it, because I don't know how

00:53:44.909 --> 00:53:47.510
we would work in America that way. It almost

00:53:47.510 --> 00:53:50.360
seems like over here the sentiment is. you know

00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:54.159
me me me and then worry about other people second

00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:56.800
uh but it seems like look we've got a lot of

00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:00.260
the me me me's trust me there's a span of them

00:54:00.260 --> 00:54:04.239
and um south africa just as a as south africa

00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:09.079
as a rule in general um they've got a saying

00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:11.219
that south africans have a way of just working

00:54:11.219 --> 00:54:16.380
you the out you know yeah you out of there's

00:54:16.380 --> 00:54:18.940
your space stay there across the space then it's

00:54:18.940 --> 00:54:23.949
another story Wow. We all like that. Yeah. Well,

00:54:24.030 --> 00:54:28.030
most of us. Maybe not the younger, younger generation,

00:54:28.030 --> 00:54:32.869
but... That's the only hope, Cashel, is the younger

00:54:32.869 --> 00:54:34.730
generation gets it right, man, because we've

00:54:34.730 --> 00:54:38.570
gotten it wrong so far. I worry, yeah. Younger

00:54:38.570 --> 00:54:42.190
generation, if you give a... Dude, when... I

00:54:42.190 --> 00:54:44.070
set my mom and dad's curtains alight when I was

00:54:44.070 --> 00:54:45.949
younger, right in their bedroom with a box of

00:54:45.949 --> 00:54:49.239
matches. There we go. I wasn't spoken to. I was

00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:53.539
beaten. Oh, yeah. I was knocked the fuck out

00:54:53.539 --> 00:54:55.860
seven times from Sunday. You know what I mean?

00:54:56.340 --> 00:55:00.059
All over. And I think I was six years old. Right.

00:55:00.739 --> 00:55:03.579
You never did that again, did you? No, but six

00:55:03.579 --> 00:55:06.179
years old now, you stand in the corner and think

00:55:06.179 --> 00:55:09.360
about what you've done. Right. You know, have

00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:15.980
your me time. Right. Get out of hiding. Yeah.

00:55:15.980 --> 00:55:21.260
I mean, now you get punished sent to your room.

00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:23.400
Like you got your phone and stuff. Like you really

00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:26.079
don't have me time anymore. You're so connected.

00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:28.360
Like these kids are so connected. I'm seeing

00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:31.139
six year olds, seven year olds with cell phones.

00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:34.079
I'm like, why do you need a cell phone? And then

00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.820
like people, you know, I know parents, they're

00:55:36.820 --> 00:55:38.860
not even putting parental controls on the phone.

00:55:38.940 --> 00:55:40.599
So if they want to get into some shit, they can

00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:42.480
get into some shit. Like, yeah, that's amazing.

00:55:43.029 --> 00:55:46.289
My girls are 10. They have phones, but I have

00:55:46.289 --> 00:55:51.250
everything locked down as much as I can. It's

00:55:51.250 --> 00:55:56.269
crazy. I've seen couples that have kids, two,

00:55:56.389 --> 00:55:59.829
three -year -olds, sitting in baby chairs. You

00:55:59.829 --> 00:56:05.150
take that iPad away from that kid, which his

00:56:05.150 --> 00:56:09.269
eyes are locked on. He screams, murder. Yep.

00:56:09.409 --> 00:56:10.869
Kid doesn't know anything about playing in the

00:56:10.869 --> 00:56:13.829
dirt or chewing on a stick or throwing stones

00:56:13.829 --> 00:56:15.809
at cars like we used to as kids and get into

00:56:15.809 --> 00:56:19.789
trouble. Right. Yeah, it's your iPad. Watch Barney.

00:56:20.170 --> 00:56:22.070
Right. Or whatever the hell you do. Play a game.

00:56:22.969 --> 00:56:27.869
It can be a good babysitter. For sure. Keep the

00:56:27.869 --> 00:56:30.030
baby quiet, but it's not a good babysitter, obviously.

00:56:30.469 --> 00:56:33.389
Right. No, look, if you really had to, you know,

00:56:33.409 --> 00:56:35.949
you put a time limit on it, a daily time limit.

00:56:36.090 --> 00:56:38.389
You know, you got two hours today. Yesterday

00:56:38.389 --> 00:56:40.039
you were... You didn't break anything. You got

00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:43.579
two and a half hours. Cool. When we grew up,

00:56:43.619 --> 00:56:46.820
we were actually talking about it to my niece

00:56:46.820 --> 00:56:50.719
the other day. She's turning 22 this year. We

00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.579
were talking about my nephew who passed away

00:56:53.579 --> 00:56:57.679
last year and how we and how they grew up. Our

00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:02.860
moms didn't say, you are home at three. When

00:57:02.860 --> 00:57:05.380
that street light's on, you better be home. Oh,

00:57:05.380 --> 00:57:09.079
yeah. We did the same thing. Yep. We could. Leave

00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:11.179
our bicycles in the front yard and not worry

00:57:11.179 --> 00:57:14.659
about it being stolen. Now you've got to pack

00:57:14.659 --> 00:57:16.219
your dog in the house as well because they're

00:57:16.219 --> 00:57:18.440
poison dogs. Then they break into your house

00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:24.440
and steal your car. Pack that thing full of either

00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:28.199
Ratex or brake fluid or whatever and send a piece

00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:33.440
of meat over the fence. There you go. They got

00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:37.280
it down. Yeah. So is that something you have

00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.340
to worry about on a consistent basis? Is somebody

00:57:39.340 --> 00:57:42.039
poisoning a dog and trying to break into your

00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:43.639
home? Like, it seems like that's the way you

00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:46.940
said it almost seems like it's happens. It's

00:57:46.940 --> 00:57:51.360
a common thing. Not really where we live because,

00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:57.579
you know, even our, our black citizens and Indian

00:57:57.579 --> 00:58:01.260
citizens we have in our town. When you say Indian,

00:58:01.380 --> 00:58:03.300
do you mean Native American? No, I'm just kidding.

00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:07.579
No, no, no, no. There's a running joke. What's

00:58:07.579 --> 00:58:09.500
the capital of India? They always say Durban.

00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:18.800
It's not there. I know that. Everyone's tired

00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:21.539
of the other guys trying to steal your shit that

00:58:21.539 --> 00:58:24.519
you've worked your ass off for. It's quite a

00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:27.719
common thing if you catch the guy, the security

00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:31.239
or the police, they deal with him in a harsh

00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:33.159
way that he won't come back. Not kill him or

00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:36.650
anything. Right. Go have a chat with him. Yes.

00:58:37.210 --> 00:58:41.829
Yeah. I mean, again, I'm not for police brutality

00:58:41.829 --> 00:58:45.349
and stuff like that, but there is a line where

00:58:45.349 --> 00:58:47.510
it's like, if they could just beat the shit out

00:58:47.510 --> 00:58:49.130
of, like, don't go overboard, but if they could

00:58:49.130 --> 00:58:51.550
just beat the shit out of somebody stealing or

00:58:51.550 --> 00:58:53.269
something like, they might learn their lesson

00:58:53.269 --> 00:58:55.849
because arresting them and letting them out on

00:58:55.849 --> 00:58:58.489
their own recognizance is not, they're not learning

00:58:58.489 --> 00:59:02.010
their lesson that way, but. That's the other

00:59:02.010 --> 00:59:04.590
extreme of it. yeah in the shantytowns yeah if

00:59:04.590 --> 00:59:07.829
you caught stealing by the residents it doesn't

00:59:07.829 --> 00:59:09.929
matter if you're black white union they they

00:59:09.929 --> 00:59:12.889
do what they call we call it necklacing they

00:59:12.889 --> 00:59:15.929
necklace you take a tire fill it with petrol

00:59:15.929 --> 00:59:19.869
put it around your neck and like wow that's that's

00:59:19.869 --> 00:59:22.389
you want to steal from me you you must sorry

00:59:22.389 --> 00:59:26.469
bye -bye wow Hey, I bet you the person, you know,

00:59:26.469 --> 00:59:28.889
that rolled with that person in the family, they're

00:59:28.889 --> 00:59:30.670
fucking going to think twice about, you know,

00:59:30.670 --> 00:59:31.989
cause this guy's gone, but they're going to think

00:59:31.989 --> 00:59:33.750
twice if they're going to do that. Like, Oh shit.

00:59:34.010 --> 00:59:36.650
But that's, that's like the shanty town way.

00:59:36.989 --> 00:59:40.489
Right. I don't call cops. You know, there's,

00:59:40.489 --> 00:59:42.210
there's a leader of, there's a leader of the

00:59:42.210 --> 00:59:45.250
town. You know, they, they call them the Induna,

00:59:45.349 --> 00:59:50.829
the boss of the town. And this guy protects the

00:59:50.829 --> 00:59:53.250
people in the town. And if they complain and

00:59:53.250 --> 00:59:54.829
say, look, someone stole this, someone stole

00:59:54.829 --> 00:59:57.690
that, someone, you know, destroyed my house or

00:59:57.690 --> 01:00:00.050
whatever. They literally go house to house and

01:00:00.050 --> 01:00:03.610
go find who did it. Wow. And then they necklace

01:00:03.610 --> 01:00:07.730
them. Boy, that's fucking brutal. It probably

01:00:07.730 --> 01:00:10.269
makes the criminals think twice though, because

01:00:10.269 --> 01:00:14.369
yeah, yeah. Well, like California and all of

01:00:14.369 --> 01:00:17.210
that, you guys have, well, from what we see on

01:00:17.210 --> 01:00:21.590
TV. it's perception of illegal alien problems.

01:00:22.010 --> 01:00:25.090
Big time. Oh, yeah. Well, our border is basically

01:00:25.090 --> 01:00:28.829
wide open. We've had like 8 million illegal aliens

01:00:28.829 --> 01:00:31.030
in our country in the last two, three years.

01:00:31.409 --> 01:00:33.969
Yep. Well, Mozambique and Zimbabwe is basically

01:00:33.969 --> 01:00:37.889
a suburb of South Africa. Okay. Yeah. It's the

01:00:37.889 --> 01:00:42.210
same concept. Right. They walk just across the,

01:00:42.230 --> 01:00:45.110
over the mountain. Well, here in California now,

01:00:45.170 --> 01:00:49.340
you can go into any store and steal, below $950

01:00:49.340 --> 01:00:52.019
worth of merchandise and nothing happens to you.

01:00:53.139 --> 01:00:57.179
Yeah. You know how much $950 is in rent? Oh,

01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:01.699
yeah. I'm sure it's a lot. And that is per store.

01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:03.340
So you can go to the next store and steal that

01:01:03.340 --> 01:01:07.400
same amount. If the cops come, they'll write

01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:14.099
you a ticket. If they come. Holy fuck. A lot

01:01:14.099 --> 01:01:18.860
of money. It's like 18 grand. Wow. Wow. Yeah.

01:01:19.619 --> 01:01:22.179
It's ridiculous. And it's kind of the same in

01:01:22.179 --> 01:01:24.420
New York now. They have cashless bail now where

01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:28.659
people just get busted for sometimes really bad

01:01:28.659 --> 01:01:32.440
crimes, beating people. And they're just let

01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:36.119
out right there. They take them to the processing

01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:39.639
facility and they're let out. They don't stay

01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:42.199
in the jail. Cash, they're coming up with terms

01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:44.619
like rather than cold. stealing they're calling

01:01:44.619 --> 01:01:47.659
it shopping without money like this is how warped

01:01:47.659 --> 01:01:50.019
our sense of perceptions getting stealing is

01:01:50.019 --> 01:01:53.460
stealing right exactly right well now and in

01:01:53.460 --> 01:01:56.539
some cases in california if if if the people

01:01:56.539 --> 01:01:58.360
that are working there try to intervene in the

01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:02.079
stealing they get fired that's how fucking clown

01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:04.960
world backwards it is so let me let me let me

01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:08.059
tell you how backwards is backwards though chad

01:02:08.059 --> 01:02:10.519
you break into my house and you have got a gun

01:02:12.780 --> 01:02:16.840
And I shoot you. I shoot you in the leg. I don't

01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:20.280
want to kill you. I just want to stop you. You

01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:23.719
can sue me for threatening your life. You can

01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:26.460
do that in California too. I get arrested the

01:02:26.460 --> 01:02:29.320
same time you do. I stay in jail in a cell with

01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:32.300
you while you are on trial for breaking in my

01:02:32.300 --> 01:02:36.119
house and I'm on trial against you for... It's

01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.519
like that here in California and New York and

01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:40.900
shit. All the very liberal states are kind of

01:02:40.900 --> 01:02:47.150
like that. If you defend yourself, then somehow

01:02:47.150 --> 01:02:52.110
you're wrong. I had a question. Why was everyone

01:02:52.110 --> 01:02:57.730
anti -Trump and you ended up with Biden? Because

01:02:57.730 --> 01:03:06.349
the choice was either re -elect Trump or go for

01:03:06.349 --> 01:03:09.489
Biden. That was the only choice I had. Fair enough.

01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:12.980
But they basically rigged the primary so that

01:03:12.980 --> 01:03:15.599
he was the only candidate because they picked

01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:20.320
him. So when I say they, the Democrats, he was

01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:25.059
the only guy. Because he's a puppet and easily

01:03:25.059 --> 01:03:28.360
controlled. Yeah, exactly. We won't give you

01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:30.280
Alzheimer's medicine if you don't say what we

01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:33.760
want you to. Cash, it's crazy. Like to the point,

01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:37.170
so people would rather elect. A person who has

01:03:37.170 --> 01:03:39.789
been lying to them for over 40 years in political

01:03:39.789 --> 01:03:44.090
office, then actually somebody who ran the country

01:03:44.090 --> 01:03:48.030
like incredible, you know, until COVID -19 happened,

01:03:48.090 --> 01:03:50.289
then, you know, the world's economy, you know,

01:03:50.289 --> 01:03:52.730
went down. But they would rather have somebody

01:03:52.730 --> 01:03:55.230
who's been in there for that long lying to them

01:03:55.230 --> 01:03:57.369
and been on the wrong side of how many laws and

01:03:57.369 --> 01:04:01.050
bills passed just because. They don't like the

01:04:01.050 --> 01:04:03.730
way, you know, President Trump spoke, not his

01:04:03.730 --> 01:04:06.590
actions in office. It's the way he spoke about,

01:04:06.650 --> 01:04:10.909
you know, grabbing. Right, right, right. So,

01:04:11.010 --> 01:04:13.070
like, that's how crazy we are. We would prefer

01:04:13.070 --> 01:04:16.349
somebody who gets us into wars and funds Ukraine

01:04:16.349 --> 01:04:20.110
and, you know, doesn't, you know, give Israel

01:04:20.110 --> 01:04:23.570
the proper backing than than somebody who actually

01:04:23.570 --> 01:04:26.469
had America's best interest at heart. I like

01:04:26.469 --> 01:04:28.630
I like how white little women still bring that

01:04:28.630 --> 01:04:31.280
up. He said. Grab her by the pussy. It's like,

01:04:31.380 --> 01:04:35.699
have you ever been in a male locker room? Give

01:04:35.699 --> 01:04:38.739
me a fucking break. I'm guaranteeing your fucking

01:04:38.739 --> 01:04:40.699
husband said that at some point, you white little

01:04:40.699 --> 01:04:45.000
dumbass bitch. Shut up. That's what the pickup

01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:46.860
line was that made you want to go for your husband.

01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:51.980
Exactly. I saw someone that started calling them

01:04:51.980 --> 01:04:56.880
offals. Affluent, white, female liberals. Oh,

01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:59.940
yeah. Offals. They're the ones that take their

01:04:59.940 --> 01:05:02.199
kids to the drag shows. They're the ones that

01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:04.260
are constantly saying, you know, this is racist,

01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:08.539
that's racist. They're the ones saying that biological

01:05:08.539 --> 01:05:11.320
males could identify as women and go in their

01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:14.119
sports. Like, what the fuck happened to women's

01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:16.760
rights? Like, why am I, like, up in arms about

01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:19.219
this? But, you know, all the women out there.

01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:22.679
The feminists are not. Yeah, it's crazy, man.

01:05:22.780 --> 01:05:24.659
Like, I just, I don't get it. Another example

01:05:24.659 --> 01:05:28.440
of an upside -down vote. Yeah. It's a mind virus.

01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:32.500
We've said it, but... I find that, you know,

01:05:32.500 --> 01:05:38.019
with... Even in COVID, your guys' GDP was, like,

01:05:38.019 --> 01:05:44.320
huge compared to the rest of the world. But Trump

01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:47.360
obviously did something right because you guys

01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:50.460
actually made money. Yeah. And instead of giving

01:05:50.460 --> 01:05:54.199
it away, like... they take it we will fund this

01:05:54.199 --> 01:05:56.559
road or fund that project or this and that and

01:05:56.559 --> 01:06:00.340
then you guys end up with no money and then you

01:06:00.340 --> 01:06:05.800
know it's like trump was so straightforward right

01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:10.099
people saying that they'd rather be lied to you

01:06:10.099 --> 01:06:12.719
know this is what we heard via the press here

01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:17.780
in south africa when our president phoned trump

01:06:17.780 --> 01:06:22.440
for help during covid trump said go get fucked

01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:26.039
i have to help my people first and unfortunately

01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:28.440
that's the case sometimes you got to take care

01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:31.260
of you before you could take care of the rest

01:06:31.260 --> 01:06:35.780
no well i agree with it how can i help you if

01:06:35.780 --> 01:06:38.840
all my people are suffering right you know it's

01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:42.320
just that's how you get out of office very quickly

01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:45.300
you know yeah i'm gonna go help them over there

01:06:45.300 --> 01:06:47.159
in their shanties but these people dying here

01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:51.179
right Those liberal white dunnies. We call those

01:06:51.179 --> 01:06:55.440
old ladies dunnies. Dunnies. Dunnies, yeah. I

01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:58.780
love it. Dunnies. Yeah. Come on. That's what's

01:06:58.780 --> 01:07:01.280
happening here now. I mean, the border's been

01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:03.059
open for, like I said, three years, 8 million,

01:07:03.219 --> 01:07:05.579
10 million people, whatever it is now. And they

01:07:05.579 --> 01:07:09.079
literally just walk over? Basically, yeah. They

01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:12.739
don't need a passport card or ID card? No, this

01:07:12.739 --> 01:07:15.380
is the whole issue. They have people that come

01:07:15.380 --> 01:07:20.030
in the right way and have ID. and immigrate legally

01:07:20.030 --> 01:07:23.590
and then become citizens. But what's happening

01:07:23.590 --> 01:07:26.829
on our border is basically the Biden administration

01:07:26.829 --> 01:07:28.869
has made it wide open where you can just walk

01:07:28.869 --> 01:07:33.469
across. And if you're apprehended by the authorities

01:07:33.469 --> 01:07:36.309
there, they just let you go. It's called catch

01:07:36.309 --> 01:07:38.789
and release. And you're supposed to show up to

01:07:38.789 --> 01:07:41.170
a court date in two years. This is happening

01:07:41.170 --> 01:07:43.809
with millions of people. We used to play catch

01:07:43.809 --> 01:07:52.570
and release at our earlier gigs. So anyway, so

01:07:52.570 --> 01:07:54.710
now they're going to these major cities that

01:07:54.710 --> 01:07:56.289
have called themselves sanctuary cities where

01:07:56.289 --> 01:07:58.090
they want to have illegals. They're going to

01:07:58.090 --> 01:07:59.849
New York. They're going to Chicago. They're going

01:07:59.849 --> 01:08:03.030
to L .A. And they're taking over all the services.

01:08:03.489 --> 01:08:06.070
Actually, they're getting special services that

01:08:06.070 --> 01:08:09.250
the local populations don't get, the people that

01:08:09.250 --> 01:08:10.889
are homeless. They don't get these services.

01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:13.659
But all these illegals are getting housing. They're

01:08:13.659 --> 01:08:15.880
getting $5 ,000 gift cards. That's what I don't

01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:17.840
understand about the states. You guys, well,

01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:21.960
I say you guys. The government is so easily ready

01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:26.960
to help illegals. Yeah. Well, it's by design.

01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:29.439
You guys have so many veterans that fought for

01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:33.319
their country. That's homeless. Yeah. Well, the

01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:34.979
Dems don't care about that. They want votes.

01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:39.439
They're importing voters. show you that old man

01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:41.140
in the street that fought these assholes from

01:08:41.140 --> 01:08:42.859
vietnam or wherever the fuck you fought for you

01:08:42.859 --> 01:08:44.720
guys he would also vote for you if you helped

01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:48.640
him yeah absolutely i agree with that totally

01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:52.100
100 that's i mean i'm that's i again i keep saying

01:08:52.100 --> 01:08:54.460
it's like clown world that we live in because

01:08:54.460 --> 01:08:57.920
this this administration and and all these local

01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:02.180
you know liberal democrat mayors they all favor

01:09:02.180 --> 01:09:04.399
the illegal immigrants they're not helping their

01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:07.340
people right They're like, oh, bring them in.

01:09:07.460 --> 01:09:09.680
And they're like, oh, we have too many. But then

01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:11.979
they're literally kicking kids out of schools

01:09:11.979 --> 01:09:15.079
and taking over schools and putting the immigrants

01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:17.760
in there for housing. And it's like, what the

01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:21.920
fuck? What are we doing as a country? We know

01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:23.720
what we're doing. We're importing voters for

01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:26.859
the blue. Yeah. What's going to happen with the

01:09:26.859 --> 01:09:30.720
youth that get kicked out of school and their

01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:32.720
schools get taken over? Do they get another school?

01:09:33.140 --> 01:09:37.069
Well, that's the thing. It's such a huge slap

01:09:37.069 --> 01:09:39.909
in the face. They have all this money to dump

01:09:39.909 --> 01:09:43.029
into illegal immigrants coming over or funding

01:09:43.029 --> 01:09:45.689
a war in Ukraine, but they didn't have this money

01:09:45.689 --> 01:09:48.250
to help out our poorer suburbs, our poorer inner

01:09:48.250 --> 01:09:51.489
cities, and get these people on the proper footing.

01:09:51.670 --> 01:09:54.670
It shows that they absolutely did have that money.

01:09:54.729 --> 01:09:56.909
They just didn't care enough to spend it that

01:09:56.909 --> 01:10:00.369
way, which is absurd to me. And then I'm hearing

01:10:00.369 --> 01:10:05.380
this little fucking fun fact that... I'm just

01:10:05.380 --> 01:10:07.340
going to say $100 billion. Say the $100 billion

01:10:07.340 --> 01:10:09.979
we gave to Ukraine, the government's trying to

01:10:09.979 --> 01:10:12.199
say, well, basically $60 billion of it comes

01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:15.380
back to us because they're buying their munitions

01:10:15.380 --> 01:10:19.859
and weaponry and stuff from us. Bullshit, dude.

01:10:19.939 --> 01:10:21.899
Don't fucking lie to me. It is not coming back

01:10:21.899 --> 01:10:23.779
to us, and if it is, it's going into Biden's

01:10:23.779 --> 01:10:26.920
bank account. So don't tell me that this is a

01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:29.359
good thing, that we're funding a war that is

01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:32.560
nowhere near our shores, has nothing to do with

01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:36.170
us. Like, it's not a NATO country. You know,

01:10:36.189 --> 01:10:40.510
what are we doing? Like, why are we there funding

01:10:40.510 --> 01:10:43.250
this war? And Putin said it in his interview

01:10:43.250 --> 01:10:45.710
with Tucker Carlson. He goes, the way this war

01:10:45.710 --> 01:10:49.210
stops is you stop funding them because I'm not

01:10:49.210 --> 01:10:51.310
stopping. This is, you know, he went back into

01:10:51.310 --> 01:10:53.369
the whole history why he's doing it. And he's

01:10:53.369 --> 01:10:55.970
like, this has nothing to do with you guys. And

01:10:55.970 --> 01:10:58.489
yet you're going bankrupt doing it. And, you

01:10:58.489 --> 01:11:01.270
know. Again, I hate to say that I agree with

01:11:01.270 --> 01:11:03.409
Putin, but he made a great point there in my

01:11:03.409 --> 01:11:07.229
brain. I always have this joke. Do you think

01:11:07.229 --> 01:11:13.510
Putin will ever pull out? I mean, hmm. The only

01:11:13.510 --> 01:11:15.949
way the Russians surrender or pull out is if

01:11:15.949 --> 01:11:18.850
they lose 500 ,000 men. So they're at about,

01:11:18.949 --> 01:11:22.869
I think, 250 ,000 right now. So there's still

01:11:22.869 --> 01:11:25.130
a ways to go. It's the only time they will give

01:11:25.130 --> 01:11:30.529
up. The mother of all bombs of, what do you call

01:11:30.529 --> 01:11:36.930
it? Yeah. Well, supposedly, even with all the

01:11:36.930 --> 01:11:38.930
sanctions that we're putting on Russia, they're

01:11:38.930 --> 01:11:42.489
doing well because India is buying a bunch of

01:11:42.489 --> 01:11:46.510
their oil from them, which isn't illegal with

01:11:46.510 --> 01:11:49.729
the sanctions. So it's like... It's like what

01:11:49.729 --> 01:11:53.390
we're doing isn't working. And as a person, again,

01:11:53.470 --> 01:11:55.710
not me, cause I'm not as educated as these people,

01:11:55.729 --> 01:11:58.270
but you would think that smarts would kick in.

01:11:58.289 --> 01:11:59.649
You would say what we're doing isn't working.

01:11:59.729 --> 01:12:01.569
We got a course correct here, come up with a

01:12:01.569 --> 01:12:03.810
different strategy, but no, no, no. The answer

01:12:03.810 --> 01:12:06.689
is to throw more money into it. When, I mean,

01:12:06.710 --> 01:12:09.229
I haven't talked to anybody who is all about

01:12:09.229 --> 01:12:12.689
throwing hundreds of billions of dollars to a

01:12:12.689 --> 01:12:16.689
country like Ukraine, which. was crazy, crazy

01:12:16.689 --> 01:12:19.470
corrupt before, before Russia took over. Like

01:12:19.470 --> 01:12:22.550
that was the, the beat on Ukraine was how corrupt

01:12:22.550 --> 01:12:25.109
that country is. You know, I'm watching traffic

01:12:25.109 --> 01:12:28.449
with Marianne then whatever. And, and she's going

01:12:28.449 --> 01:12:33.390
over about how literally Nazis were a big part

01:12:33.390 --> 01:12:35.689
of that country. And people, white supremacists

01:12:35.689 --> 01:12:37.970
from America would go there and get training

01:12:37.970 --> 01:12:41.529
from them and shit like, so like, Why are we

01:12:41.529 --> 01:12:45.050
defending somebody who has shit like that in

01:12:45.050 --> 01:12:49.470
their brain and is into Nazi stuff? It just doesn't

01:12:49.470 --> 01:12:52.170
make sense to me. It's going exactly according

01:12:52.170 --> 01:12:55.270
to plan to the elites that allowed this to happen

01:12:55.270 --> 01:12:57.409
and continue to fund it because they're all making

01:12:57.409 --> 01:13:00.890
money from it. Right. So if $60 billion comes

01:13:00.890 --> 01:13:03.409
back to the military -industrial complex of the

01:13:03.409 --> 01:13:05.729
United States, well, guess what those companies

01:13:05.729 --> 01:13:08.170
do? They fund all the politicians that vote on

01:13:08.170 --> 01:13:10.750
this fucking shit. Right. That's also bad business.

01:13:10.949 --> 01:13:13.909
I mean, they've given a hundred million. They're

01:13:13.909 --> 01:13:17.189
only getting 60 million back. Billion. Where's

01:13:17.189 --> 01:13:20.949
your, where's your profit? Right. Right. There's

01:13:20.949 --> 01:13:23.409
profit built in, but not for the, not for the

01:13:23.409 --> 01:13:25.949
country. There's profit for everyone else. Yeah.

01:13:26.170 --> 01:13:28.170
Cause it's funny. So that a hundred billion that

01:13:28.170 --> 01:13:31.590
goes out from our tax dollars, that 60 billion

01:13:31.590 --> 01:13:34.189
that comes back in has nothing to do with that

01:13:34.189 --> 01:13:36.710
tax dollars. And they could probably. fund whatever

01:13:36.710 --> 01:13:38.949
they want from it. Cause it's not on the books

01:13:38.949 --> 01:13:40.510
technically, you know what I'm saying? Like it's

01:13:40.510 --> 01:13:42.989
getting paid back that way. So they could probably

01:13:42.989 --> 01:13:44.890
just do a bunch of shitty accounting with it

01:13:44.890 --> 01:13:47.609
and fund black ops and whatever the fuck. Like

01:13:47.609 --> 01:13:50.430
I'm sure it goes way above my pay grade. Why

01:13:50.430 --> 01:13:52.689
the military budget already does that. Oh yeah.

01:13:52.949 --> 01:13:56.130
The $800 billion military budget already has

01:13:56.130 --> 01:13:58.630
secret black ops that you'll never see. Amazing

01:13:58.630 --> 01:14:00.970
how much money you guys have. Oh, it's nuts.

01:14:01.660 --> 01:14:03.359
We don't really have it, though. We're borrowing

01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:05.460
it. I was going to say, when you run in a deficit,

01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:10.760
you could do that. Your deficit is this big compared

01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:16.819
to ours. China gave us $500 billion. Don't be

01:14:16.819 --> 01:14:21.319
happy about that. No, no, no. Where is it? I

01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:25.239
don't know. Right. But then also, when you can't

01:14:25.239 --> 01:14:27.100
pay it back, China's going to come knocking.

01:14:28.539 --> 01:14:30.989
There's so many Chinese here already. yeah yeah

01:14:30.989 --> 01:14:34.310
then um i used to do construction in mozambique

01:14:34.310 --> 01:14:37.329
and the chinese pulled in there they built a

01:14:37.329 --> 01:14:39.770
stadium within three months a full -on stadium

01:14:39.770 --> 01:14:44.550
wow soccer stadium as big as the the calabash

01:14:44.550 --> 01:14:48.970
there in um johannesburg wow three months it

01:14:48.970 --> 01:14:52.010
took them to build it so i was talking to one

01:14:52.010 --> 01:14:55.369
of the foreman guys there uh the mozambique guy

01:14:55.369 --> 01:14:59.390
and i spoke portuguese with him and i said tell

01:14:59.390 --> 01:15:02.310
me um Where did you get all these Chinese dudes?

01:15:04.229 --> 01:15:07.329
No, that's the deal with the government. They

01:15:07.329 --> 01:15:09.930
send prisoners and their families from China.

01:15:11.010 --> 01:15:13.590
You build that stadium. When that stadium is

01:15:13.590 --> 01:15:16.930
built, you're free. They never fucking come back

01:15:16.930 --> 01:15:22.869
to China. Wow. Interesting. They give them money

01:15:22.869 --> 01:15:25.130
for the stadium as well. There, we pay you to

01:15:25.130 --> 01:15:30.180
take them. Wow. It's crazy. You know how we do

01:15:30.180 --> 01:15:32.539
this here. We could go on for hours here. I love

01:15:32.539 --> 01:15:34.279
to keep it to work. Let's talk music. Let's do

01:15:34.279 --> 01:15:38.939
it. Yes. I like to keep it where we want the

01:15:38.939 --> 01:15:40.720
audience wanting more. And when you come back

01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:42.319
on again, they'll have some more to listen to.

01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:44.880
So why don't you tell them where they could check

01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:47.819
out Cashel O 'Reilly? I'm hoping I'm saying that

01:15:47.819 --> 01:15:49.500
properly. Tell them all your socials, all your

01:15:49.500 --> 01:15:50.859
music stuff. Tell them a little bit, you know,

01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:52.399
where they can find you and check out your stuff.

01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:56.079
Oh, well, funny enough, you talk that I actually

01:15:56.079 --> 01:16:00.960
booked studio session time today. Nice. I've

01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:04.899
been mainly playing for bands and stuff like

01:16:04.899 --> 01:16:08.220
that and session work. I'm only doing my own

01:16:08.220 --> 01:16:11.359
original stuff again now. Starting now again.

01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:16.579
I'll be going to studio end of March. Very cool.

01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:20.939
I'm not in a rush for it. I want to do two or

01:16:20.939 --> 01:16:23.659
three songs at a time. Get the other one. Make

01:16:23.659 --> 01:16:29.170
sure those three are being cool. get the rest

01:16:29.170 --> 01:16:35.430
done and yeah do it that way and I have a there's

01:16:35.430 --> 01:16:38.869
a label that's interested in me very cool my

01:16:38.869 --> 01:16:43.569
stuff so I suppose it is I mean do labels actually

01:16:43.569 --> 01:16:47.189
do much these days I mean they rip off the artists

01:16:47.189 --> 01:16:51.350
yeah I don't know what they do these days honestly

01:16:51.350 --> 01:16:53.770
how they can rip off the artists I mean even

01:16:53.770 --> 01:16:56.869
if you've got the the streaming on Spotify i

01:16:56.869 --> 01:16:58.489
was job on a message i said the other day you

01:16:58.489 --> 01:17:00.649
got like a check for a thousand two hundred dollars

01:17:00.649 --> 01:17:03.350
for seven million streams from spotify yeah spotify

01:17:03.350 --> 01:17:05.970
is because all the majors if you have if you

01:17:05.970 --> 01:17:07.670
have new music and you put it on spotify you

01:17:07.670 --> 01:17:09.949
get paid more but all the majors struck this

01:17:09.949 --> 01:17:14.789
deal spotify and basically got stock for giving

01:17:14.789 --> 01:17:17.989
spotify their catalogs all right so they have

01:17:17.989 --> 01:17:21.109
they have access to all this music that the majors

01:17:21.109 --> 01:17:24.310
own it's a lot of legacy stuff obviously but

01:17:25.420 --> 01:17:27.739
So that's why these artists get paid shit. They

01:17:27.739 --> 01:17:30.819
get paid pennies for millions in streams because

01:17:30.819 --> 01:17:34.199
of this deal. And of course, the majors don't

01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:37.239
give any... I don't know what Spotify's stock

01:17:37.239 --> 01:17:39.539
is worth now, but even if they get a windfall

01:17:39.539 --> 01:17:41.220
from it, it's not like they're going to disseminate

01:17:41.220 --> 01:17:45.239
that across to the artists, right? Right. Bullshit

01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:48.439
deal. But that's another way record companies

01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:52.939
rip off artists. But I mean, you as the drummer

01:17:52.939 --> 01:17:57.220
for Live, Are you guys independent? Or are you

01:17:57.220 --> 01:18:00.300
guys signed to a label? Because the only way

01:18:00.300 --> 01:18:01.840
you can make money now is to be independent.

01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:04.340
Technically, the band is independent now at this

01:18:04.340 --> 01:18:08.779
point, yeah. Yeah. Signed to a label. Which is

01:18:08.779 --> 01:18:11.399
smart nowadays, especially if you already have

01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:13.500
the mojo behind you and you're already established

01:18:13.500 --> 01:18:15.680
band. Because, Chad, I don't know if you know

01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:17.659
this, but some of these record companies are

01:18:17.659 --> 01:18:21.039
taking part of the touring process now. Oh, yeah.

01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:25.729
What? And merch. They're getting in on everything,

01:18:25.850 --> 01:18:29.189
yes. That's because music doesn't sell the way

01:18:29.189 --> 01:18:33.550
it used to. It's not a commodity like it used

01:18:33.550 --> 01:18:35.649
to be where they controlled that you had to buy

01:18:35.649 --> 01:18:38.470
this whole record for $12. Hard copies, yeah.

01:18:39.310 --> 01:18:43.909
Right. Your device is the hard copy now. Right,

01:18:43.909 --> 01:18:46.649
exactly. 5 ,000 albums instead of a CD rack at

01:18:46.649 --> 01:18:49.390
home that's full of like 500 albums. And so,

01:18:49.449 --> 01:18:51.010
yeah, they're hoping that the band takes off

01:18:51.010 --> 01:18:53.270
and then does... touring and merch business because

01:18:53.270 --> 01:18:56.130
they can participate in that. But yeah, we, I

01:18:56.130 --> 01:18:59.369
mean, when we came back together, we, we wouldn't

01:18:59.369 --> 01:19:00.970
even entertain anything like this. Like we're

01:19:00.970 --> 01:19:03.630
not spilling our touring with your shitty record

01:19:03.630 --> 01:19:06.510
company. Right. Plus you had your own studio.

01:19:06.630 --> 01:19:08.829
Like you didn't need them anymore, you know?

01:19:08.970 --> 01:19:12.010
Yeah. Yeah. Last time you guys played in South

01:19:12.010 --> 01:19:14.670
Africa, it was the best for me that I've seen

01:19:14.670 --> 01:19:18.109
you guys live playing in South Africa. Oh, cool.

01:19:18.210 --> 01:19:22.229
What was that? Best sound. 17. anniversary, your

01:19:22.229 --> 01:19:26.229
reunion tour. Yeah, so was it 17 or 18 we came

01:19:26.229 --> 01:19:30.409
down there? I forget. 18. 18, yeah. And Chad,

01:19:30.529 --> 01:19:34.229
before COVID hit, you had another tour, I think,

01:19:34.250 --> 01:19:36.930
going to go to South Africa. The 25th anniversary

01:19:36.930 --> 01:19:41.109
of the Train Copper album. Yeah, I think it got

01:19:41.109 --> 01:19:45.069
delayed and stuff. The date was set. I think

01:19:45.069 --> 01:19:46.750
we were supposed to come down in 2020 because

01:19:46.750 --> 01:19:48.409
we were going to go to Australia and South Africa

01:19:48.409 --> 01:19:51.760
in 2020. I actually bought meet and greet tickets

01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:54.619
because the show was on my wife's birthday. Oh,

01:19:54.619 --> 01:19:57.020
no way. And the first international band she

01:19:57.020 --> 01:19:59.039
ever saw was when you guys played in Pretoria

01:19:59.039 --> 01:20:02.659
last. Oh, cool. And I said, we're going to go

01:20:02.659 --> 01:20:04.539
watch live. And she's like, hell yeah. I don't

01:20:04.539 --> 01:20:06.060
know if I liked it. And so I started playing

01:20:06.060 --> 01:20:07.859
Throwing Copper for her. I said, I love this

01:20:07.859 --> 01:20:09.760
song. I love this song. That's the whole thing

01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:10.859
about South Africa. They don't know the band,

01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:13.979
but they know the fucking songs. It's like, can

01:20:13.979 --> 01:20:17.119
we go? And then she had a blast. And then when

01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:20.229
it was going to be her. Fuck, I must be careful

01:20:20.229 --> 01:20:25.189
here. I think it's 36th, 35th birthday. I bought

01:20:25.189 --> 01:20:26.989
you meet and greet tickets so you can meet live

01:20:26.989 --> 01:20:30.909
for your birthday. Wow. Better get my money back

01:20:30.909 --> 01:20:34.750
from CompuTicket, bitches. Well, it has nothing

01:20:34.750 --> 01:20:37.109
to do with that. Sorry. No, I know. I'm just

01:20:37.109 --> 01:20:40.050
joking. I wrote that off a long time ago. No,

01:20:40.050 --> 01:20:42.130
Cash, what I saw, they put out a thing about

01:20:42.130 --> 01:20:45.090
it and saying, I don't know if it was Live Nation

01:20:45.090 --> 01:20:47.590
or whatever does the tickets over there, but

01:20:47.590 --> 01:20:50.529
they said that. They said if you did have it,

01:20:50.609 --> 01:20:53.989
you could, one, get a full refund, which they

01:20:53.989 --> 01:20:56.109
didn't want you to do. They wanted you to get

01:20:56.109 --> 01:20:58.029
a credit so you could use it to a different show.

01:20:58.369 --> 01:21:01.789
And then three, oh, I forget what it was. Oh,

01:21:01.850 --> 01:21:03.550
you could donate it to them because they said

01:21:03.550 --> 01:21:05.989
that basically everybody getting a refund from

01:21:05.989 --> 01:21:07.630
them would, like, cripple them. So they were

01:21:07.630 --> 01:21:10.569
hoping you did the latter, too, which was, you

01:21:10.569 --> 01:21:13.869
know, a call to cry, I think, from them, which

01:21:13.869 --> 01:21:16.130
I just found, you know, funny. They want you

01:21:16.130 --> 01:21:19.319
to, you know. lose that money rather than them

01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:23.100
because you know they're too big to fail so you

01:21:23.100 --> 01:21:25.960
know that the ceo of compete ticket probably

01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:29.000
drives a nice ml mercedes that i probably paid

01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:31.300
for throughout my whole teenage years watching

01:21:31.300 --> 01:21:34.180
pumpkins and bon jovi and all these guys coming

01:21:34.180 --> 01:21:36.880
out and they were the only ticket suppliers in

01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:39.239
the country then you know you wouldn't have uh

01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:43.300
all these other things like howler and everything

01:21:43.300 --> 01:21:49.500
so um No, I want my money back. Yes, and you

01:21:49.500 --> 01:21:52.439
can go get it now. So definitely send them a

01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:55.020
nice sternly written email. But Cash, why don't

01:21:55.020 --> 01:21:56.979
you tell the audience like an Instagram handle

01:21:56.979 --> 01:21:58.859
or like where they can find you? Hi, it's Cash

01:21:58.859 --> 01:22:02.720
Shaw O 'Reilly. That's all. It's easy on Facebook

01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:06.239
like you saw. I don't keep it complicated. I

01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:08.979
always keep it also available. So if someone

01:22:08.979 --> 01:22:11.479
ever wanted to ask me something, I'm there. I

01:22:11.479 --> 01:22:13.920
mean, funny enough, we're talking now. You know

01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:18.420
who Rob Chapman is? Oh, Chapman Guitars. He's

01:22:18.420 --> 01:22:21.939
that British guy. He works a lot with Rabia Musad

01:22:21.939 --> 01:22:24.939
and all those guys. We were talking this afternoon.

01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:27.819
He just out of the blue, send me messages. How

01:22:27.819 --> 01:22:32.220
are you doing? Like a cool. Hell yeah. So things

01:22:32.220 --> 01:22:36.600
happen. I mean, that's all. Also, Chad, I don't

01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:38.760
know if you remember the, a mate of mine called

01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:42.180
Stuart, the tall guy with skinny tall guy with

01:22:42.180 --> 01:22:44.319
glasses that worked with you, worked with the

01:22:44.319 --> 01:22:48.359
band at. pretoria shows and the back line came

01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:51.520
from that shop called oh yeah yeah i think i

01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:55.800
know yeah so through him i met zach oh cool zach

01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:59.840
yeah and that's great you know so i speak a lot

01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:01.899
to zach and you know friends of his have invited

01:23:01.899 --> 01:23:04.819
me i've invited them and you know we all be i've

01:23:04.819 --> 01:23:07.520
got a lot of music friends now all of a sudden

01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:10.340
from overseas that just send me messages and

01:23:10.340 --> 01:23:12.899
and i normally put up like if we're gonna do

01:23:12.899 --> 01:23:16.619
a song i think the last one i did was times like

01:23:16.619 --> 01:23:19.399
these from food fighters no i was doing that

01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:22.359
that whole walk and everything and like while

01:23:22.359 --> 01:23:24.079
i'm practicing i'll record it so i can always

01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:26.979
go back and look and say okay it sounds good

01:23:26.979 --> 01:23:30.779
looks good okay and then um it feels good enough

01:23:30.779 --> 01:23:35.739
i edit it put it out on the web and then simon

01:23:35.739 --> 01:23:39.079
yes i saw you play that song on the on the on

01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:42.210
facebook the video You can play for me for this

01:23:42.210 --> 01:23:46.569
tour. Nice. Rock on. And for those who didn't

01:23:46.569 --> 01:23:48.329
catch that, uh, he was talking about Zach Loy,

01:23:48.529 --> 01:23:51.149
uh, who Chad and I both said is just a sweet,

01:23:51.210 --> 01:23:53.649
sweet dude. He's got a sweet soul. He's a, you

01:23:53.649 --> 01:23:55.670
know, amazing musician. He's a good guy. So for

01:23:55.670 --> 01:23:56.909
those who didn't catch, he's talking about Zach

01:23:56.909 --> 01:23:59.710
Loy over there. He's awesome, man. We have guitar

01:23:59.710 --> 01:24:02.409
chat after guitar chat, especially he like saw

01:24:02.409 --> 01:24:10.250
this one of mine. Yeah, baby. Nice. And, um,

01:24:11.619 --> 01:24:14.739
He's like, boys, you're always playing the same

01:24:14.739 --> 01:24:16.680
guitars. Yo, you would as well if you had it

01:24:16.680 --> 01:24:20.840
because it's so nice. Well put. And well put.

01:24:21.779 --> 01:24:25.260
He's got some nice stuff. I've never seen a silverburst.

01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:26.840
That's fucking cool. I've never seen one of those.

01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:31.859
Really? No. Don't be like that, no. Not that

01:24:31.859 --> 01:24:34.720
I am a huge guitar aficionado, but I've just

01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:37.020
never seen a silverburst. I've seen sunburst.

01:24:37.779 --> 01:24:39.779
That's cool. So you want a funny story about

01:24:39.779 --> 01:24:43.380
music and bands? Sure. Canning Crows came out

01:24:43.380 --> 01:24:45.760
to South Africa last year. I think it was the

01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:47.739
middle of last year. Something to that effect.

01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:52.960
They came out without amps, without guitars,

01:24:53.060 --> 01:24:58.600
and they all had to be hired here. Oh, wow. Okay.

01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:03.000
For them. So I was asked if I could hire out

01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:09.300
an R8, a Les Paul Custom. Wow. My Taylor Acoustic.

01:25:11.430 --> 01:25:16.289
and my flying V. Was there a reason why they

01:25:16.289 --> 01:25:18.470
didn't bring their own equipment? Make the tour

01:25:18.470 --> 01:25:23.529
cheaper. Exactly. That makes sense. And I said,

01:25:23.609 --> 01:25:25.409
well, what amps do they use? Because I've got

01:25:25.409 --> 01:25:28.689
like a whole room for the amps and stuff because

01:25:28.689 --> 01:25:34.970
I rent the shit out here as well. And the guy

01:25:34.970 --> 01:25:37.489
said, how much per guitar? And I said, well,

01:25:37.689 --> 01:25:40.970
pay for my airline ticket. to cape town i'll

01:25:40.970 --> 01:25:43.470
do pretoria show and i'll go to the cape town

01:25:43.470 --> 01:25:47.010
show and put me up there for the night quid pro

01:25:47.010 --> 01:25:50.630
quo my guitar is on leaving my site this is south

01:25:50.630 --> 01:25:55.670
africa no ways right it's that and a handshake

01:25:55.670 --> 01:25:57.350
and a meet and greet from the band for saying

01:25:57.350 --> 01:26:01.529
thanks for um learning us your nice band came

01:26:01.529 --> 01:26:07.960
back said no jesus christ wow Yeah, but now how

01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:09.479
much do you want? I said, nothing. I want that

01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:12.000
handshake. You're not going to give me that handshake?

01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:15.279
This is the way I said it, actually. It was a

01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:17.359
bit rude, but they're not decent enough to shake

01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:19.560
my hand and say, geez, thanks, dude. We're going

01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:23.399
to use your gear. Right. It's like, well, if

01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:25.359
they're not willing to do that, fuck them. Sorry.

01:26:25.460 --> 01:26:27.979
Good for you. Good. Yeah. Done the same thing.

01:26:28.420 --> 01:26:31.899
I've got a mate that's got a band in the States.

01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:34.359
A good band, actually. You must have heard of

01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:38.579
them, Cedar. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Sean and I

01:26:38.579 --> 01:26:43.500
went to school together. His brother used to

01:26:43.500 --> 01:26:48.880
work for my dad at some point. Small world. Sean

01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:51.300
and I used to jam a lot when we were younger.

01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:54.319
Teenagers, man. He's like three or four years

01:26:54.319 --> 01:26:58.000
older than me. When they went over, it was like,

01:26:58.060 --> 01:27:00.760
shit, there goes an awesome band. But I'm happy

01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:04.789
for them. Hell yeah. We saw them and we chatted

01:27:04.789 --> 01:27:07.109
with them a bit when they came out to South Africa

01:27:07.109 --> 01:27:11.529
last in 2018. I think it was. 2019. Yeah, it

01:27:11.529 --> 01:27:13.130
was after your guy's show. The year after your

01:27:13.130 --> 01:27:15.149
guy's show. They came out to South Africa. They

01:27:15.149 --> 01:27:18.050
were on their way to Australia and they decided

01:27:18.050 --> 01:27:22.350
to do one quick stop show here in South Africa.

01:27:23.609 --> 01:27:27.909
That seems to be off the beaten path for one

01:27:27.909 --> 01:27:30.829
quick stop. Cool. Not really. You've got to fly

01:27:30.829 --> 01:27:37.069
over us to get to fucking Australia. True. We've

01:27:37.069 --> 01:27:40.590
done that. We've actually flown around the world.

01:27:40.670 --> 01:27:43.449
We flew to South Africa, played, flew to Australia,

01:27:43.590 --> 01:27:46.689
played, and then flew back. We've done that twice.

01:27:47.329 --> 01:27:51.250
The life of a rocker. Cool, yeah. I love it.

01:27:51.409 --> 01:27:55.149
I'm endorsed by Marshall Music in South Africa.

01:27:55.329 --> 01:27:59.399
The Gibson guys for south african i mainly play

01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:05.779
only gibson shout out and um recently just about

01:28:05.779 --> 01:28:07.760
just over a year now we're just under a year

01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:11.739
um through martial music i'm also endorsed by

01:28:11.739 --> 01:28:15.859
neural dsp so i kind of got rid of all the analog

01:28:15.859 --> 01:28:19.640
pedals and amps i went straight to digital those

01:28:19.640 --> 01:28:23.939
modulars and for touring it's amazing it's like

01:28:23.939 --> 01:28:26.520
plug in plug your guitar and tune up okay let's

01:28:26.520 --> 01:28:29.460
play Tell them they owe you some money for promotions

01:28:29.460 --> 01:28:32.500
since you got to let our audience know what's

01:28:32.500 --> 01:28:34.479
up. You're doing a good job as an ambassador.

01:28:34.479 --> 01:28:40.819
There's no money in music. Right. No, but seriously,

01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:44.239
there's no money in music. I mean, if you're

01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:48.779
a muser of some sorts, even if you're a famous

01:28:48.779 --> 01:28:51.880
muser in South Africa, you've got a sideline

01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:56.539
gig business -wise because music alone just...

01:28:56.760 --> 01:29:00.979
it won't support you. Well, if you're doing music

01:29:00.979 --> 01:29:02.640
for the money, you're probably not doing it for

01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:05.279
the right reason anyway and then probably wouldn't

01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:07.739
get to make there. So maybe it's kind of a good

01:29:07.739 --> 01:29:10.239
thing because you're doing it for the love and

01:29:10.239 --> 01:29:12.199
then once you eventually come to the States,

01:29:12.300 --> 01:29:15.140
then you could start making some money. Wow,

01:29:15.340 --> 01:29:18.720
look, $5 there is like a million bucks here.

01:29:19.279 --> 01:29:22.479
You guys must splurge when you come out here.

01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:27.390
It's piss cheap for you guys. I mean, I was checking,

01:29:27.470 --> 01:29:31.050
it's just under 19, for $1, it's almost 19 Rand.

01:29:32.250 --> 01:29:35.250
Amazing. So, I mean, it's crazy. Okay, but let

01:29:35.250 --> 01:29:37.390
me tell you this. In your money, what does a

01:29:37.390 --> 01:29:41.810
bottle of Coke cost? Two liter or half liter?

01:29:42.010 --> 01:29:47.609
Let's go two liter. It's like 32 Rand, 35, maybe

01:29:47.609 --> 01:29:52.949
40 bucks. So... that's a lot of money. So, so

01:29:52.949 --> 01:29:55.430
that's to us, that would be, Oh no. So that would

01:29:55.430 --> 01:29:57.590
only be $2 roughly, or maybe a little bit under,

01:29:57.670 --> 01:30:01.909
right. Cause 19 ,000 a dollar, $2 and 11 cents.

01:30:02.149 --> 01:30:05.649
Ah, okay. So yeah, that's, that's cheaper than

01:30:05.649 --> 01:30:07.310
here, right? I don't buy soda. I don't know.

01:30:07.310 --> 01:30:09.789
Right now. Yeah. With buy inflation. Yeah. It's

01:30:09.789 --> 01:30:14.069
cheaper. Yeah. Uh, somebody posted, um, that

01:30:14.069 --> 01:30:16.670
they got secret Samadhi with the old member Columbia

01:30:16.670 --> 01:30:18.630
house thing where you paid a penny, got 10 CDs.

01:30:19.519 --> 01:30:21.760
Yes. And they said that, you know, they never

01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:23.539
paid the, you know, the whatever. And somebody

01:30:23.539 --> 01:30:26.000
said, well, with compounded interest, you would

01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:28.220
only owe like, uh, you know, another cent on

01:30:28.220 --> 01:30:30.279
top of that. And I was like, yeah, but with inflation

01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:33.779
from 97 to now, he don't fucking $30 on top of

01:30:33.779 --> 01:30:37.500
it. Exactly. You know? Um, but you know, throwing

01:30:37.500 --> 01:30:41.020
copper was hard to get in South Africa. Really?

01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:44.159
Yeah. Cause for a long time, while you guys had

01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:48.609
CDs, we only had cassettes. Ah, and. Being a

01:30:48.609 --> 01:30:52.909
conservative country back then, I mean, I got

01:30:52.909 --> 01:30:57.510
the... My first CD was Metallica Load. Oh, wow.

01:30:57.869 --> 01:31:01.210
Wow. And then my second CD was Secret Samadhi.

01:31:01.989 --> 01:31:06.930
Nice. And we used to... Hit Parader magazines,

01:31:07.149 --> 01:31:11.130
I used to get them sent from the States. Wow.

01:31:11.430 --> 01:31:13.630
They'd never rock up on time. You always end

01:31:13.630 --> 01:31:16.189
up at three or four, one shot. And then I'd quickly

01:31:16.189 --> 01:31:18.399
try to make up and then... you would see okay

01:31:18.399 --> 01:31:21.380
well live is releasing this album or so and so

01:31:21.380 --> 01:31:23.800
is releasing that album and then you would look

01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:26.140
for it and then i used to order band t -shirts

01:31:26.140 --> 01:31:27.840
from the states because you couldn't get it in

01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:31.060
south africa all right i mean rodriguez was even

01:31:31.060 --> 01:31:34.140
banned in south africa at one point and so that's

01:31:34.140 --> 01:31:37.840
crazy i found him and made him wow oh really

01:31:37.840 --> 01:31:45.859
yes yes so but yeah so but now i mean uh sorry

01:31:45.859 --> 01:31:47.800
to say Spotify and Apple and everything and make

01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:52.720
it so easy. They do. They really do. It is nice

01:31:52.720 --> 01:31:55.039
having everything at your fingertips. And if

01:31:55.039 --> 01:31:57.840
you have Apple music, you could also have your

01:31:57.840 --> 01:32:00.640
personal library of music. So say you have like

01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:02.819
some concert recording and stuff that's not on

01:32:02.819 --> 01:32:06.159
Apple music or, or some, you know, obscure album

01:32:06.159 --> 01:32:08.140
that they don't carry. You could literally have

01:32:08.140 --> 01:32:10.500
a copy of it on your phone, which is cool. So

01:32:10.500 --> 01:32:13.279
all that stuff is nice, but you still don't get,

01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:16.409
like I was saying that. In 1997, I cut school

01:32:16.409 --> 01:32:19.250
early to go get Secret Samadhi. You know, me

01:32:19.250 --> 01:32:21.229
and my best friend had our older brother drive

01:32:21.229 --> 01:32:24.390
us to get there and to get that CD and open it

01:32:24.390 --> 01:32:26.630
up and, you know, look at the liner notes and

01:32:26.630 --> 01:32:28.649
throw that in the CD player and listen to it

01:32:28.649 --> 01:32:30.890
start to finish. Like, there's something magical

01:32:30.890 --> 01:32:33.770
about that experience that you just don't get

01:32:33.770 --> 01:32:37.369
when you're streaming music, man. Right. You

01:32:37.369 --> 01:32:39.850
know? I want to feel like such a top telling

01:32:39.850 --> 01:32:42.989
you this story. Secret Samadhi. The very first

01:32:42.989 --> 01:32:46.989
song. Doesn't start on second one. And I thought

01:32:46.989 --> 01:32:50.409
I bought a fucking dud CD. And I'm turning it

01:32:50.409 --> 01:32:54.289
up and then all of a sudden, what the fuck? Oh,

01:32:54.329 --> 01:32:59.270
that guitar swell thing. I was like, this is

01:32:59.270 --> 01:33:02.029
so cool. So like out of the whole live thing,

01:33:02.130 --> 01:33:07.609
I've probably rewound it, throwing copper full

01:33:07.609 --> 01:33:11.710
length albums, cassettes, three of them and broken

01:33:11.710 --> 01:33:14.460
the cassettes. Because I learned to play it by

01:33:14.460 --> 01:33:17.539
ear. Oh, yeah. I can basically play the whole

01:33:17.539 --> 01:33:22.100
album by ear. Nice. By ear. And obviously, the

01:33:22.100 --> 01:33:24.100
songs I like the most out of Secrets of Money,

01:33:24.220 --> 01:33:27.819
I've picked up easily over the years to play

01:33:27.819 --> 01:33:30.199
and stuff like that. And at one point, we actually

01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:34.800
were looking at doing a live tribute band. Oh,

01:33:34.800 --> 01:33:39.199
sweet. I think you guys live is one of the very

01:33:39.199 --> 01:33:42.489
few bands that can come to South Africa. actual

01:33:42.489 --> 01:33:46.189
band and will knock the living shit out of this

01:33:46.189 --> 01:33:49.590
country and everyone's happy it was a good show

01:33:49.590 --> 01:33:53.890
yeah and then you won't hear them um bitch and

01:33:53.890 --> 01:33:56.229
moan like oh the crowd is so there's no crowd

01:33:56.229 --> 01:33:59.350
or whatever because let's face it so living in

01:33:59.350 --> 01:34:02.470
crowds when they when they big and they rowdy

01:34:02.470 --> 01:34:04.829
and they having a jaw you hear it doesn't matter

01:34:04.829 --> 01:34:06.850
how loud their pa is it's coming over their pa

01:34:06.850 --> 01:34:10.510
oh yeah for sure yeah so i think it was you guys

01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:15.539
Foo Fighters and Rockset. Not even Bon Jovi had

01:34:15.539 --> 01:34:19.619
it when he came out to South Africa. Wait, the

01:34:19.619 --> 01:34:21.800
guy who's seen a million faces and rocked them

01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:25.819
all did not rock South Africa? Bon Jovi. Yeah,

01:34:25.880 --> 01:34:27.800
that's one of his lyrics. He says he's seen a

01:34:27.800 --> 01:34:30.239
million faces and rocked them all. I'm just being...

01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:33.479
Dead or alive, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what's

01:34:33.479 --> 01:34:35.859
his name? When he came to South Africa in 94

01:34:35.859 --> 01:34:38.079
for the first... Or 35 for the first time. It

01:34:38.079 --> 01:34:40.210
was like the first... international act that

01:34:40.210 --> 01:34:42.609
came to South Africa after being democratic or

01:34:42.609 --> 01:34:47.630
whatever. I remember it clear as day. I was actually

01:34:47.630 --> 01:34:50.310
going to find that clip. He's looking at the

01:34:50.310 --> 01:34:52.729
camera and he looks at this guy in the crowd

01:34:52.729 --> 01:34:55.109
and he says, wave to the camera. Your mama's

01:34:55.109 --> 01:34:57.970
on the other end. And the guy says, shut the

01:34:57.970 --> 01:35:06.829
fuck up or sing. Well put. He's like, oh, fuck,

01:35:06.869 --> 01:35:12.590
okay. And he went on. You'll be amazed how many

01:35:12.590 --> 01:35:14.970
bands actually stop off here and don't play.

01:35:15.970 --> 01:35:19.689
They just come fly through? It's like a layover

01:35:19.689 --> 01:35:21.909
sometimes for them. I know Bush laid over here

01:35:21.909 --> 01:35:26.430
for two days. Really? There was a secret show

01:35:26.430 --> 01:35:29.869
that they put together. I said President Bush.

01:35:30.069 --> 01:35:33.090
He's talking about the band. Duh. Dude, you're

01:35:33.090 --> 01:35:35.569
on a roll today, bud. I am, dude. I am on a roll

01:35:35.569 --> 01:35:41.130
today. Look out, ladies and gentlemen. Don't

01:35:41.130 --> 01:35:43.850
mind me. It's early in the morning here. No,

01:35:43.850 --> 01:35:45.770
I'm just kidding. That's right. You know, Daughtry

01:35:45.770 --> 01:35:49.409
also comes out here. Daughtry comes there? Yeah.

01:35:49.810 --> 01:35:52.310
I kind of look like Daughtry, actually, now that

01:35:52.310 --> 01:35:56.689
I take a look. No, really? Does he play or does

01:35:56.689 --> 01:36:00.010
he just come to hang out? Both. He's toured South

01:36:00.010 --> 01:36:02.310
Africa, I think, once or twice. if I can remember

01:36:02.310 --> 01:36:07.609
correctly. But he has been seen on holiday. Slash

01:36:07.609 --> 01:36:12.069
as well. Very cool. Slash loves the wildlife.

01:36:13.369 --> 01:36:16.850
Slash loves the wildlife like Kruger and stuff

01:36:16.850 --> 01:36:19.630
like that. Don't you worry, Cash. We're going

01:36:19.630 --> 01:36:22.109
to bring the Gracious 2 to South Africa in the

01:36:22.109 --> 01:36:26.069
next couple of years. Maybe about two. Dude,

01:36:26.449 --> 01:36:27.989
it's going to cost you like 50 bucks to come

01:36:27.989 --> 01:36:29.489
over with your airline ticket because it's so

01:36:29.489 --> 01:36:33.619
cheap. I love it. That sounds perfect to me.

01:36:34.039 --> 01:36:37.000
But again, man, you were a great guest. Thank

01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:39.060
you for coming on. And please keep in touch because

01:36:39.060 --> 01:36:42.279
we want to have you back again. Thanks for having

01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:45.239
me. It's been a blast. Yeah, thank you. Thank

01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:47.579
you. I'm very honored to chat with both of you.

01:36:48.659 --> 01:36:52.619
You're very welcome. Thank you. Maybe Dylan found

01:36:52.619 --> 01:36:54.880
the brandy. Yeah, what the hell happened to Dylan?

01:36:55.490 --> 01:36:57.590
Yeah, we'll see. You'll hear from me, Dylan.

01:36:57.729 --> 01:37:02.390
You son of a bitch. You son of a baby. All right,

01:37:02.409 --> 01:37:04.130
my man. Be good, dude. We'll have you on again

01:37:04.130 --> 01:37:07.210
for sure. Awesome. Thanks, guys. Have a good

01:37:07.210 --> 01:37:09.189
one. Take care, Cashel. Be good. Cheers, cheers.

01:37:09.529 --> 01:37:13.930
Bye. Oh, here's one thing I wanted to ask before

01:37:13.930 --> 01:37:19.250
we got off the show. I don't know if every time,

01:37:19.329 --> 01:37:22.270
but I think every time you guys played Shit Town

01:37:22.270 --> 01:37:26.149
in concert. Ed would play the solo in that song.

01:37:26.550 --> 01:37:30.210
Now, I guess my question is, did he do that on

01:37:30.210 --> 01:37:32.710
the album, or is that just something he did in

01:37:32.710 --> 01:37:35.949
concert? No, he did that on the record, yeah.

01:37:36.470 --> 01:37:39.529
That was the one. I don't know why that decision

01:37:39.529 --> 01:37:41.369
was made, but he wanted to play the solo in that

01:37:41.369 --> 01:37:45.529
song. Or maybe he did not want to, or Chad was

01:37:45.529 --> 01:37:46.869
like, you should take the solo. I don't know

01:37:46.869 --> 01:37:49.189
how that went down, but yeah, that's Ed's solo.

01:37:50.539 --> 01:37:55.140
And then I was watching the unplugged and you

01:37:55.140 --> 01:37:57.439
know, you guys unplugged and it almost seemed

01:37:57.439 --> 01:38:00.659
like Ed was like picking out single notes during

01:38:00.659 --> 01:38:03.779
the song. And like Chad Taylor was playing, you

01:38:03.779 --> 01:38:06.279
know, rhythm guitar. Like if you look at all,

01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:07.960
if you listen to all over you or something like

01:38:07.960 --> 01:38:10.680
Ed's picking out the single notes in there and

01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:14.399
like Chad Taylor strumming. So to me, I'm like,

01:38:14.439 --> 01:38:17.619
why would he pick such a harder part to sing

01:38:17.619 --> 01:38:21.380
over? Does that make sense to you? Do you know

01:38:21.380 --> 01:38:24.579
what I'm talking about? He may have written the

01:38:24.579 --> 01:38:28.899
song like that, but the guitar idea, I don't

01:38:28.899 --> 01:38:32.640
know where all of you came from, but I think

01:38:32.640 --> 01:38:37.819
it all boils down to how he's writing the lyrics

01:38:37.819 --> 01:38:39.819
and the melody based around the part that he's

01:38:39.819 --> 01:38:41.380
playing. So usually it's the strumming stuff

01:38:41.380 --> 01:38:44.060
he's playing, like the rhythm stuff. Right. But

01:38:44.060 --> 01:38:47.399
they do switch back and forth, so maybe he wrote...

01:38:47.739 --> 01:38:49.800
the lyrics and melody to all over you playing

01:38:49.800 --> 01:38:53.319
that picky part i don't know but that it seems

01:38:53.319 --> 01:38:56.079
it seems like a plausible explanation right it

01:38:56.079 --> 01:38:58.680
totally does but yeah because i'm just like wow

01:38:58.680 --> 01:39:01.100
i'm like i would think that you know he would

01:39:01.100 --> 01:39:03.399
prefer to give taylor that part because i to

01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:05.539
me is somebody who like i said play a little

01:39:05.539 --> 01:39:07.699
bit i would think that would be harder to do

01:39:07.699 --> 01:39:10.279
like this thing over you know picking out isolated

01:39:10.279 --> 01:39:13.539
notes and stuff but um it's just it's just cool

01:39:13.539 --> 01:39:17.109
to see and then pick your brain about it That's

01:39:17.109 --> 01:39:21.949
what I know. Yes. So for, for, you know, everybody

01:39:21.949 --> 01:39:23.850
who wanted those questions asked, I hope we got

01:39:23.850 --> 01:39:26.590
to, to, to them today. Again, we want to thank

01:39:26.590 --> 01:39:28.289
you guys for coming on this journey with us.

01:39:28.329 --> 01:39:30.850
We got a lot of cool shit planned for the future.

01:39:31.289 --> 01:39:33.270
We'll be back next week. You can ask more questions.

01:39:33.750 --> 01:39:36.569
Yes. And next week we have something cool happening

01:39:36.569 --> 01:39:38.229
too. I don't know if I should let the cat out

01:39:38.229 --> 01:39:40.430
of the bag just in case, but I'll leave you guys

01:39:40.430 --> 01:39:43.460
hanging. But we could have two shows going on

01:39:43.460 --> 01:39:46.180
next week. So get ready, ladies and gentlemen.

01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:50.359
Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Let me go and stop these

01:39:50.359 --> 01:39:53.479
streams. Thank you guys so much. Casho was awesome,

01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:54.680
man. I had a blast. That was great.