The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 025 - Brandon Valentine

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Got it. Picking it up. Sweet. Got it. Get it.

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Good. And you know how I just wait for it to

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go here for some reason. And we are live, ladies

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and gentlemen. Yes. Gracious two episode 25. What

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up, Chad? Hey, hey, hey. I think it was last

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week in my video. I posted, I put, I said the

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gracious few, didn't I? Yes. It would still look

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like anybody caught it, but I know stole the

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trademark on that. So it's pretty interesting.

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So the gracious two the gracious two, and the gracious

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two my, my, my former guitar player pulled a little

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fast one and he let the trademark lapse on the

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gracious few and then put it under his company.

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I would never put that past that guy. Really?

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Right. It's just another example of. Watch what

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he does and not what he says. Exactly. Exactly.

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When you, uh, you say narcissist, we all know

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where it goes, man. Hey, it's amazing. It is

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amazing. It's amazing, but not surprising. Right.

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Well, now, now that you know, yeah, but, uh,

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you don't expect it from, you know, somebody

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who grew up with childhood friend and all that

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people get squirtly. Well, you know, there's,

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there's legal remedies for everything. So exactly.

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Let the audience know we got some cool guests

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coming on today. Mr. Brandon Valentine from the

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Central Pennsylvania Music Rock and Roll Hall

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of Fame. So excited to talk to him. It's a cool

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organization, nonprofit. Not only do they give

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out awards, but they give out scholarships. They're

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on the education side, so I'm excited to talk

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to him. Yeah, and they honored live not too long

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ago, but I wasn't in the area to receive the

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plaque. So I met Brandon at a local record store

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here called The Mothership, which they sell vinyl

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here in York. Pretty cool store. And I got to

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meet the owner. I'm forgetting his name right

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now, but he was really cool and gracious to have

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us in the store. And Brandon gave me the plaque.

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Yeah, man, I saw that on Instagram, dude. That

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was very cool of him. And it was cool that you

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accepted on behalf of Live, too. um well i accepted

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on behalf we all got one ed got his at some point

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chad and patrick got theirs at some point i was

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the last one so got you got you last but not

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least the heartbeat of live my man yeah dude

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um we cannot forget you can't have it without

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the heartbeat so let's not forget people well

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there you go Also, next week we got a cool guest

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coming on, an OnlyFans model, so I'm excited

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to talk to her. I love talking to empowered women.

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Cool. Yeah, absolutely. Should be a fun time.

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Always interested to get a perspective from that

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side of the world. Exactly. The audience doesn't

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know, but we do. Chad and I are doing a double

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show today. This one is from our regular places

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and stuff, and then I'll be meeting up with him

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at the studio at 210 in York, and we'll be having

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a bonus drinking episode, people, so be ready.

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This should be interesting. Yeah, we might get

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into aliens, whatever. We don't know where it's

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going, so this will be fun. What are we drinking?

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Oh, you know I'm going to bring some nice -ass

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whiskey. Sweet. Well, Bill, Bill has a new sponsor

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on his podcast. It's right. I think it's like

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right stuff beer or something like that. Yes.

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So we're going to, we're going to drink one of

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those. Absolutely. They not only, I got to see

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what they taste like, but man, the can is cool

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as hell and all the, that is really cool. So

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I'm excited. Yeah. We got, we got some hats too.

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We should wear the hats on the pod. You know,

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maybe they'll sponsor us. I don't know. There

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you go. There you go. Cover up my mop with a

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cool ass hat. Let's go. I got to get ready to

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go there, man. It's got to get rid of the hair.

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Yeah. Yeah. I've been growing. I mean, I've of

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course cut it a bunch of times, but I've had

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it long for like six years now. And I'm just

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starting to get to the point where it's like,

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ah, you know? Yeah. I had long hair in the nineties.

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Like don't, I was growing out from like the end

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of mental jewelry through throwing copper and

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like, so right. Some of the videos I had like,

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I alone video, a lightning crashes video. I have

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long hair and. I toured with that hair until

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fucking the end of the tour. I was like, cut

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the shit off. I can't take it. I was going to

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say, you must have been sweating your balls off

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up there with the long hair on the neck. Yeah.

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I just kept it in a ponytail anyway because I

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didn't like it falling on me and getting all

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wet and fucking. Right. I wasn't cool like Dave

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Grohl back in the day with Nirvana. His hair

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is all sweaty and he's just like. Yes. You didn't

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know you were that cool, but you were that cool

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and still are. Wow, come on. Yeah, come on, dude.

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You've got to give credit. I wasn't cool like

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him with the long hair, all sweaty. There you

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go. There you go. Dave Grohl is a cool man, cool

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dude. I love the way he talks about the, what

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was it, Taylor that passed away? Taylor Hawkins,

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yeah. Yeah, he seemed to have a real beautiful

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relationship with them and always says great

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words about them. Yeah, they were definitely

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besties. I mean, if you ever meet Dave, even

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if you're not a famous musician or whatever,

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he will talk to you. And Taylor was kind of like

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that too, but they'll talk to you like they're

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your best friend. Right. For a little while,

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he will give you attention. Sure. The last time

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I saw Dave was in a couple festivals in 17 or

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18. That's the last time I saw Taylor. taylor

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hawkins we we were late i think i told the story

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we're driving into a festival and our tour manager

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we're from nashville we had to drive to north

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carolina and our tour manager's like i'll just

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leave day of which is usually a no -no right

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and so we leave day of and we're fucking get

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stuck in traffic we're driving all the way from

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nashville like over the mountains into fucking

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north carolina and uh we're fucking running so

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crazy late and the promoter was a big a big live

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fan, this guy named Gary Spivak, who used to

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work for Universal back in the day. So we know

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him very well. And so he, he held the stage for

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us and we, we pulled in, we got to do three songs.

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Right. And we were all fucking just, I mean,

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I was, I hadn't been so nervous in so long. Cause

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it was just like, I was freaked the fuck out.

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Like we're pulling in here so late. We're going

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to write three songs. Like, so we do the three

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songs and, and, uh, Foo Fighters are headlining.

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So Dave and Taylor are watching side of stage.

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And I walk off after doing three songs, and Tal's

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like, you fucking lucky son of a bitch. You only

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got to do three songs? I have to play for two

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hours, man. I was like, what do you do? Tell

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him you got to live on rock star time, man. Yeah,

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I was like, hey. Hell yeah. Talk to Dave. Tell

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him to pare down the set for you. There you go.

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It was cool. I mean, that was the last time I

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talked to him. Chad, isn't that crazy to think?

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I always wonder this, like without Kurt Cobain's

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death, like would we have ever got Foo Fighters

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or would Dave Grohl have stayed and been in Nirvana?

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You know what I'm saying? Like, did he always

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have this front man like want to do or did it

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come after? Like, I would love to have him on

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and talk about all that shit. Oh, I would. It'd

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be great to have him on. But I've seen I've seen

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interviews where he's talked about he was writing

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songs while he was in Nirvana. So he like the

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first Foo Fighter record he had, you know. some

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of those songs i think before nirvana broke up

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and then for after nirvana after kurt died or

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not broke up but after kurt died he he like kind

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of freaked out for a while he sure had to go

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find himself again and that's and then after

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that is when he recorded that record right but

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he was writing songs all the time Well, I remember

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it was like a B -side to, I think, a In Utero

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album, but there was a song on there called Marigold,

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which I believe, Dave, it was just an acoustic

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demo -type deal, and I believe it was Dave's

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song, and Dave sang and played it, which they

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kind of didn't advertise, but you found it and

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heard it through the grapevine, but it was a

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great, great song. So you kind of had a glimpse

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of it, but you would have never thought this

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Foo Fighters, man. It's pretty amazing what he's

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done. Well, I mean, obviously he's very talented,

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but I think they found what works for the band

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and they do it. Right, right. Whereas we had

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what worked for the band, but then all the egos

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got involved. I was just talking to Bill last

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night about if we actually had a real fucking

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manager the whole time, like a Paul McGinnis

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or someone who could manage. actually manage

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the personalities of the band, namely Chad and

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Ed. Right. Like, hey, dumb fuckers, this is the

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magic. Exactly. Proof's in the pudding. Get over

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it. Figure it the fuck out. Right. Yeah, you

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need somebody that has to be able to talk straight

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up and not beat around the bush. Because you're

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all big personalities, you had a lot of success.

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That person needs to be able to, you know, match

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that when they're talking to you, not feel timid

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and shy and just let people, you know, run and

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take over because this is what we get, you know,

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when shit like that happens. Yeah. And I, I mean,

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and I shouldn't, I'm not trying to disparage

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Dave Sestak and Peter Freeman, who are our managers

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during that time, they did the best that they

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knew how to do. They were not, they were not

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a Palm and Guinness type manager or like, you

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know, legendary kind of manager that, that knew

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how to. control and keep people in line right

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yeah they let us see they let us you know what

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was that i don't know what's bobby doing is that

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a ghost it's gotta be let me mute him well they

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they kind of let us run the show which we were

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the you know technically you're the boss you're

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the bosses when you're in the band but like most

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bands don't really run the show it's like there's

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a manager that It's like the dude who fucking

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oversees said, you're going to do this. You're

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going to do this, shut the fuck up and stop arguing

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and fucking get in a room and make some songs.

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Like, you know, there's always like an overlord.

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We didn't really have that. And I, like I said,

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I don't want to disparage Dave Sestak and Peter

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Friedman. Peter Friedman passed in 2000 or 99.

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But you're kind of saying like, like, I'm sorry.

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No, that's fine. You're kind of saying like a

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manager should do it. Like they should be involved

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with all that stuff and kind of direct you guys

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with, uh, you know, the business side of conversations,

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but just stay out of the music creation process.

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And then you got a perfect manager. You can't

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make sure the music creation process happens.

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Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. The way it should happen.

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The way it was, the way we gained all of our

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success is the way it should continue to have

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happened. Well, you hear a lot of bands talk

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about it. It's when they get in the room together

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is when the magic happens. Yes, sure. Some singers

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and stuff get a full song worked out, full idea

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brought to the table. But majority of the music

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and album is brought to you by the band. And

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that's where that chemistry comes in because

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you have, you know, however many people are in

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the band, you have three guys on it, four guys

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on it, not just one person's idea. And you could

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all kind of balance each other off and check.

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I mean, like you guys did. No. And some bands

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work like that. So there is a key songwriter

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who's like the main guy and he writes everything

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and he tells everyone what to do. And that works

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sometimes. Right. With us, it wasn't really the

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way it worked. And a lot of bands like Metallica,

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U2, there's tons of bands that it's the four

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of them that make it all happen. Right. Exactly.

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The Beatles. Come on now. You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, the writing's on

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the wall. Um, so here we are in fucked up land.

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So whatever. Exactly. Don't, don't think I keep

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forgetting about my rock and roll whole of fame

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thing because we know lives going there, dude.

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And, and that's, that's when the, the, the conversations

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are going to happen and the talkings will happen

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and all that great stuff. I still have faith.

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I will say, yeah, we'll see. Um, there, uh, you

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know, since you, you know, you're still, you're

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still. getting paid and stuff, we could talk

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about it. They're going out on tour, I guess,

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starting a small little unplugged tour coming

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up soon. I think it's this month or starting

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in March. I didn't check the dates. Yeah. Yeah,

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I saw some shows coming up. That's one of the

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other things. When I was asked, basically told

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not to come out on the tour anymore, I contacted

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management. I said, hey, can I get a tour schedule?

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He's like, oh, no, just go. This is the manager,

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Chris Harden. He's like, oh, no, just go look

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on bands in town. Oh, my God. And I was like,

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are you fucking serious? I have to go look on

00:13:14.529 --> 00:13:17.490
bands in town like a fucking punter to see where

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the band that I fucking founded is going to fucking

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play? Okay. Yeah, that sounds great. Thank you.

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you fucking piece of shit. Right. Respect, dude.

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I mean, go look on bands. It's like, really?

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So the founding member, you're going to tell

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that too. It's like, get a clue, bro. Like, let's

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all work together here. Let's not, he's just

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a fucking yes man for Ed. That's all he's ever

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been. It's just, you know, I mean, that's, that,

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that is a guy who cannot manage a fucking band.

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He is a yes man for Ed. That's all he does. Ed's

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his guy. Takes care of him. He was Ed's manager

00:13:53.409 --> 00:13:55.789
during... And I get it. I understand. I understand

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the economics of it. If Ed says, Chris is out,

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Chris is out. So he has to cater to Ed. Great.

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But you mismanaged this whole fucking situation.

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The whole coming together, everything. And here

00:14:09.289 --> 00:14:13.230
we are. And a yes man might feel good to the

00:14:13.230 --> 00:14:16.070
person being yes to, but it's not the best for

00:14:16.070 --> 00:14:19.159
the person on a whole. Like sometimes you need

00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:21.059
your shit in check and somebody say, Whoa, dude,

00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:23.100
like, let's slow it down. Maybe that's not the

00:14:23.100 --> 00:14:25.580
right way. Like you have a conversation. You

00:14:25.580 --> 00:14:28.120
don't just, yes. Great idea. Great idea. That's

00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:30.220
like, no, you got to let people know when they're

00:14:30.220 --> 00:14:32.600
not maybe making the best choices and say, Hey,

00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:35.179
you know, you can't be, you know, timid to say

00:14:35.179 --> 00:14:38.120
how you feel and what your opinion is. And that's

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a big key part of that job. It sure is. You know?

00:14:42.299 --> 00:14:44.960
But our guest is here, and we, you know, the

00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:46.559
show can't run over, so I'm going to let him

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in. If you're cool with that, Mr. Chad. Absolutely.

00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:54.059
Let's do it. So, again, yes, this is Brandon

00:14:54.059 --> 00:14:56.379
Valentine. Dude, so this is cool, man. I got

00:14:56.379 --> 00:14:58.700
to talk to Brandon about this. The gentleman's

00:14:58.700 --> 00:15:02.639
name is Brandon Valentine, and he was born on

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Valentine's Day. How does that come about? Oh,

00:15:05.700 --> 00:15:09.179
wow. I didn't know that. Yo. There he is. What's

00:15:09.179 --> 00:15:11.789
up, Brandon? How you doing? How are you? Doing

00:15:11.789 --> 00:15:13.429
well, man. Good background. Look at his background.

00:15:14.610 --> 00:15:17.250
Nice. Great to have you on. I was just saying

00:15:17.250 --> 00:15:19.269
to the audience that your name is Brandon Valentine

00:15:19.269 --> 00:15:22.750
and you were born on Valentine's Day. Yeah, how

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about it, man? The most frequent question I get

00:15:24.850 --> 00:15:26.830
with that is, you know, was it planned or was

00:15:26.830 --> 00:15:29.289
it a C -section? I was actually six weeks premature,

00:15:29.509 --> 00:15:32.269
so total fluke for sure. Wow. That's wild, man.

00:15:32.370 --> 00:15:35.470
That's cool. It was your decision to come. That's

00:15:35.470 --> 00:15:39.909
fate. That's right. 100%. So, Brandon, we're

00:15:39.909 --> 00:15:42.730
excited to have you on. We're excited for what

00:15:42.730 --> 00:15:45.250
you guys do at the Central Pennsylvania Rock

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and Roll Hall of Fame. You guys are a nonprofit,

00:15:47.570 --> 00:15:50.990
which is awesome. And then you are the president

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and founding member, which is cool. But you guys

00:15:54.970 --> 00:15:57.190
do a lot of cool stuff. It's not just awards.

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You guys do a lot with the educational portion.

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You give scholarships, stuff like that. Can you

00:16:02.889 --> 00:16:05.429
tell us a little bit about that? Yeah, absolutely.

00:16:05.750 --> 00:16:08.070
Again, thanks for having me on. Pleasure to be

00:16:08.070 --> 00:16:10.409
on the show, for sure. Listening to you guys

00:16:10.409 --> 00:16:13.509
for a while, for sure. But yeah, as far as, you

00:16:13.509 --> 00:16:14.889
know, the Central Pennsylvania Music Hall of

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Fame, we are a nonprofit, as you stated. And

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the mission statement is to recognize, support

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and grow our local music scene. And that's kind

00:16:23.379 --> 00:16:25.240
of how we define central Pennsylvania. So that

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goes from New York border to Maryland border.

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You know, basically everything except Philly

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and Pittsburgh for those who are familiar with

00:16:32.019 --> 00:16:34.779
the size of the state. And it's kind of a three

00:16:34.779 --> 00:16:37.440
pronged approach right on past, present and future.

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So with the past, we acknowledge the best of

00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:42.820
the best of all time and induct them into our

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local hall of fame with live being one. With

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Present, you know, we have an award show that

00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:51.840
kind of serves as our local Grammys. And then

00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:53.559
as you stated with the kids involvement, you

00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:55.980
know, on the future end, a lot of youth music

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education and activities that we try to get them

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involved to build up our next generation of local

00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:05.259
musicians as well. That is awesome. Very, very

00:17:05.259 --> 00:17:08.400
cool. And what year was it founded, Brandon?

00:17:09.099 --> 00:17:11.880
We started in 2019, so we're in our fifth year.

00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.029
Yep, got it. I was like, yeah, I don't remember

00:17:15.029 --> 00:17:17.089
that when we were coming up. Yeah, for sure.

00:17:17.150 --> 00:17:19.990
Yeah, pretty new. We were trying to find venues

00:17:19.990 --> 00:17:22.349
to play at. Right. There was nowhere in New York

00:17:22.349 --> 00:17:27.430
to play. So, Dwight, I'm going to think that

00:17:27.430 --> 00:17:30.130
live kind of put central Pennsylvania on the

00:17:30.130 --> 00:17:31.930
map maybe. I mean, you know what I'm saying?

00:17:32.289 --> 00:17:35.130
Maybe that's why we brought up Chad. Well, we

00:17:35.130 --> 00:17:39.099
helped. Yes. Yeah, I mean, you know, we continually,

00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.660
you know, people are surprised to learn the breadth

00:17:42.660 --> 00:17:44.420
of the acts that kind of come from this area.

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But, you know, the big four names that we consistently

00:17:47.779 --> 00:17:51.559
run into people, you know, know kind of as the

00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.660
founding people to put us on the map, you know,

00:17:54.660 --> 00:17:58.279
includes Poison with Brett Michaels, Live, Fueled

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and kind of the same time frame. And, you know,

00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:02.500
of course, one of the biggest stars in the world

00:18:02.500 --> 00:18:05.599
now, Taylor Swift, came for about an hour outside

00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:07.819
of the capital city in central Pennsylvania there.

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So we kind of include her in the mix as well.

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I told my 10 -year -old twin girls this because

00:18:12.619 --> 00:18:14.380
they love Taylor Swift. Obviously, they're like,

00:18:14.460 --> 00:18:17.279
what? No, she's from Pennsylvania. It's like,

00:18:17.299 --> 00:18:19.680
yeah, that's right. Pennsylvania's cool. That's

00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:23.039
right. Absolutely. God bless that girl, man.

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To be the number one touring act, I mean, a billion

00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:31.980
dollars in tour sales. The video that she recorded

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for her concert and then released in the movie

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theaters was on pre -sale, was doing crazy numbers.

00:18:37.900 --> 00:18:40.039
And what she did for the NFL. I mean, whether

00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:42.319
people like it or not, she has eyes in a different

00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:44.839
audience. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You

00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:46.799
have 10 -year -olds worried about freaking the

00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:48.920
Super Bowl. Who wins the Super Bowl? My girl's

00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:52.460
like, Travis Kelsey won the Super Bowl. I'm like,

00:18:52.539 --> 00:18:55.359
she's going to break up with him soon. Right.

00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:58.930
No, she's not. Like, okay, she's got a new record

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to make, so. What happens when that happens?

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And as you stated, John, you know, what you said,

00:19:05.170 --> 00:19:06.569
whether you like it or not, it's almost like

00:19:06.569 --> 00:19:08.410
she's kind of getting, you know, the hate is

00:19:08.410 --> 00:19:10.250
growing too, but that just comes with the popularity,

00:19:10.329 --> 00:19:12.170
I guess, is, you know, there's the crowd that

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just absolutely love her, and then there's the

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other one that are, you know, disagreeing with

00:19:15.829 --> 00:19:17.789
it. But, you know, as anything becomes famous,

00:19:17.809 --> 00:19:20.849
it certainly invites criticism too, so. Very

00:19:20.849 --> 00:19:25.410
good point. I was, I mean, obviously, like, Taylor's

00:19:25.410 --> 00:19:28.140
been. Big forever, but it seems like in the last

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year or two, it just went skyrocket. It was pretty

00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:36.279
wild. She's all of a sudden in stadiums, and

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I was like, shit, $1 ,200 tickets. I was like,

00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:41.339
girls, yeah, you're not going to see Taylor unless

00:19:41.339 --> 00:19:44.460
I can figure out an in there to get some free

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tickets. I'm not paying $1 ,200. No. Now, are

00:19:48.339 --> 00:19:51.519
those resale prices, or is she brazen enough

00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:54.420
to actually sell those for that price right out

00:19:54.420 --> 00:19:56.890
the get? I think they were resale. Ah, okay.

00:19:57.769 --> 00:20:00.930
There was a controversy when they put the tickets

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on sale, all of a sudden they were all sold out

00:20:03.589 --> 00:20:05.930
and all these fans were complaining because some

00:20:05.930 --> 00:20:09.309
of the fans or whatever her fan club is called,

00:20:09.410 --> 00:20:11.230
they couldn't get the tickets. The Swifties.

00:20:11.710 --> 00:20:15.529
Yeah, Swifties. Thank you. But then I remember

00:20:15.529 --> 00:20:17.369
there was a controversy about when she put that

00:20:17.369 --> 00:20:20.609
tour on sale because people were like, no, I

00:20:20.609 --> 00:20:22.630
didn't get any tickets. I think they were face

00:20:22.630 --> 00:20:25.420
value like $300 or something maybe. Some of the

00:20:25.420 --> 00:20:29.279
more expensive tickets. Still not. Still a lot.

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Yeah. There's this old video of Nirvana. It's

00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:36.259
like MTV or something like back in 92 or something.

00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:39.440
And they're like, how much is Madonna selling

00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:43.099
tickets for? 70 bucks. What the hell? How much

00:20:43.099 --> 00:20:45.619
do we charge? And they're like, $20. Yeah. $20.

00:20:45.660 --> 00:20:49.680
That's what we're charging. Right. Crazy. Yeah.

00:20:49.819 --> 00:20:52.160
And that was probably a lot to them because they

00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:56.319
were. Oh, yeah. About the common man. Yeah. So

00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:58.779
can you talk to me about the music camps and

00:20:58.779 --> 00:21:01.940
stuff, Brandon, that you guys do? Is it is it

00:21:01.940 --> 00:21:05.019
for like like rock bands? Is it more like jazz

00:21:05.019 --> 00:21:08.799
musicians? Like how the music camp set up? Yeah,

00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:11.640
music camps are interesting. We work with a couple

00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:14.880
of different local music educators and kind of

00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.099
get, I'd say, toddler to preteen kind of age

00:21:18.099 --> 00:21:21.509
to learn kind of some first. first -tier instruments

00:21:21.509 --> 00:21:23.470
like bucket drums, just learning about rhythm,

00:21:23.609 --> 00:21:26.849
as well as I really think the best instrument

00:21:26.849 --> 00:21:28.529
to get started, at least a string instrument,

00:21:28.769 --> 00:21:33.289
is a ukulele. So our director of education is

00:21:33.289 --> 00:21:36.289
Holly Serio, and she has kind of done some of

00:21:36.289 --> 00:21:38.410
these camps where she will actually provide,

00:21:38.730 --> 00:21:41.339
you know, I don't know. 30 different ukuleles

00:21:41.339 --> 00:21:43.640
to the kids in the audience and teach them, you

00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:45.460
know, the four main chords that you can play

00:21:45.460 --> 00:21:47.599
virtually a hundred different songs on. Yeah.

00:21:47.700 --> 00:21:50.559
And it's very, very simplistic with, uh, you

00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:52.119
know, only the four strings and they're, you

00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:54.599
know, nylon instead of, uh, you know, hurting

00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:57.619
their fingers kind of deal, um, as opposed to

00:21:57.619 --> 00:21:59.740
acoustic guitar. So it's a great starting kind

00:21:59.740 --> 00:22:02.160
of thing to, to get them into rhythm and, and

00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:03.660
Hey, we can, I can play a song that's on the

00:22:03.660 --> 00:22:06.519
radio, you know, that's such an early age on

00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:09.319
an easy instrument for sure. I bet you Jason

00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:13.720
Mraz's I'm Yours is a big one. I'm Yours. Yeah,

00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:16.579
that's a great song. That falls right into those

00:22:16.579 --> 00:22:19.019
four chords that I was talking about. It's like

00:22:19.019 --> 00:22:22.240
C, A minor, G, and D or something. Isn't it amazing?

00:22:22.420 --> 00:22:24.440
All the songs that you can play, just different

00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:27.980
rhythm, different ways to go. R .E .M. losing

00:22:27.980 --> 00:22:31.039
my religion. That's big ukulele. Yep, exactly.

00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:35.680
Totally. It has the same vibe. And that's a rocking

00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:38.400
ukulele, man. That's right. If you want to get

00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:41.880
a book, rocking that thing. Dude, legendary,

00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:46.759
that guy. So let me ask you this, Brandon, because

00:22:46.759 --> 00:22:49.680
you started 2019, and I'm sure you guys were

00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.720
doing a lot of in -person stuff, whether it was

00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:55.619
educational things, camps, whatever, and then

00:22:55.619 --> 00:22:59.119
COVID hit. So how did you transition? What was

00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:02.670
the key there? Yeah, that's a great question.

00:23:02.789 --> 00:23:06.730
I mean, we started probably about mid -2019 as

00:23:06.730 --> 00:23:09.529
a organization. And then our first ceremony was

00:23:09.529 --> 00:23:12.569
actually at the end of January in 2020. So we

00:23:12.569 --> 00:23:15.289
were right before COVID kind of hit there around

00:23:15.289 --> 00:23:17.970
St. Patrick's Day, I guess it was. So we got

00:23:17.970 --> 00:23:22.029
away with the 2020 ceremony. And I remember finishing

00:23:22.029 --> 00:23:24.750
up that ceremony and thinking, OK, we got 12

00:23:24.750 --> 00:23:29.200
months to plan the next ceremony. COVID hit and

00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:32.960
all the local bars, all the venues shut down.

00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:36.140
And as far as our mission statement to service

00:23:36.140 --> 00:23:38.559
our local music scene, it said, hey, we got to

00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:39.960
improvise here. We got to figure something out.

00:23:40.500 --> 00:23:43.400
So we started a quarantine live stream on our

00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:45.559
social media networks to provide an avenue for

00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.500
local musicians to perform virtually. We created

00:23:48.500 --> 00:23:52.640
a virtual tip jar as well. And we had over, I

00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.559
think it was over 200 live streams. one per day

00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:58.980
that we had during COVID. And we were able to

00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:01.859
generate over 20 grand in tips for the local

00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:04.500
musicians during that time of, you know, need

00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:06.259
for them because they weren't able to get out.

00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:09.200
And, you know, whether it's 150 bucks at a coffee

00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:10.880
shop that they were missing out on, you know,

00:24:10.900 --> 00:24:12.900
it was another means to try to perform online

00:24:12.900 --> 00:24:16.079
and try to generate the same revenue, especially

00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:19.599
for those full -time musicians. Yeah. God bless

00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:23.279
you. That's really cool. So not only is this

00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:26.339
kind of cool for you because you get to spread

00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:28.640
all this joy and help out and stuff, but you

00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:30.680
get to uplift musicians and stuff like that.

00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:32.920
So you started a feel -good position. Was that

00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:35.640
part of your plan going into this? Like, I can

00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:39.019
create good with this, help out an industry where

00:24:39.019 --> 00:24:41.339
sometimes in schools they're getting rid of music

00:24:41.339 --> 00:24:43.660
programs and stuff like that. So was that? Yep.

00:24:45.139 --> 00:24:47.039
Yeah, definitely a driving force there. I mean,

00:24:47.099 --> 00:24:49.460
you know, as far as we look at our local music

00:24:49.460 --> 00:24:52.400
scene in general, and I think it's kind of a

00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:54.420
microcosm for every local music scene out there,

00:24:54.460 --> 00:24:57.400
which is, you know, the famous acts, the national

00:24:57.400 --> 00:24:59.480
acts have to come from somewhere. Right. At one

00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:02.559
point, everybody was was a local musician. And

00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:04.779
what support system do they have to bring them

00:25:04.779 --> 00:25:07.140
up to become a national actor, to become worldwide?

00:25:08.029 --> 00:25:10.990
And when you look at it as far as our local music

00:25:10.990 --> 00:25:13.190
scene, I mean, outside of like one little, you

00:25:13.190 --> 00:25:14.950
know, award where they had like a simply the

00:25:14.950 --> 00:25:17.509
best and like a local paper that was virtually

00:25:17.509 --> 00:25:19.750
a People's Choice Awards that just kind of got

00:25:19.750 --> 00:25:22.329
voted to say who's basically the most popular.

00:25:22.710 --> 00:25:24.910
Right. We kind of looked at it and said there

00:25:24.910 --> 00:25:28.650
isn't really a means to recognize talent and

00:25:28.650 --> 00:25:31.349
quality in our area. And when we took a look

00:25:31.349 --> 00:25:33.490
back at it and realized, you know, our initial.

00:25:34.460 --> 00:25:36.380
ballot for hall of fame induction consideration

00:25:36.380 --> 00:25:39.079
had 20 acts on it and you're like man these these

00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:41.000
acts are legit that came from this area you know

00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:43.740
again live included right um that that list has

00:25:43.740 --> 00:25:46.720
expanded to over a hundred now we have 25 in

00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:48.799
the hall of fame we have 75 currently on the

00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:50.819
ballot we have over 100 on the consideration

00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:53.259
list so when we take a look at like and again

00:25:53.259 --> 00:25:55.160
these aren't just you know bands that played

00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:57.299
for 10 years in a couple local bars i mean these

00:25:57.299 --> 00:25:59.720
are like grammy nominees these you know and across

00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:02.759
different things i mean from From 50s doo -wop

00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:06.160
to jazz to, you know, opera to rap, you name

00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:10.039
it, even producers. The breadth is really there.

00:26:10.299 --> 00:26:12.380
So, again, as you said, you know, feel good,

00:26:12.500 --> 00:26:15.920
certainly. But recognition, I think, was kind

00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.339
of the driving force to say, you know, what is

00:26:18.339 --> 00:26:20.839
driving and motivating these musicians out there

00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:23.940
to do something on an annual basis to get recognized?

00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:28.019
Right. Now we really see the... the number of

00:26:28.019 --> 00:26:31.160
um you know albums that are produced um because

00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:32.920
they want to be considered for the awards has

00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:36.960
gone up um so we really see it serving as a motivational

00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.799
tool as well to kind of keep everybody involved

00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:41.819
in the scene and try to produce the best work

00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:43.880
that they possibly can because after all who

00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:46.079
doesn't like to get recognized and win an award

00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.289
you know for sure absolutely Let me ask you this,

00:26:49.309 --> 00:26:51.130
Brandon. So after you guys come up with like

00:26:51.130 --> 00:26:53.069
the ballot nominees and stuff, is this something

00:26:53.069 --> 00:26:55.430
that your board of directors votes on? Is this

00:26:55.430 --> 00:26:57.410
something that you put out to the public to vote?

00:26:57.490 --> 00:26:59.750
How does that, how does that go about? Yeah,

00:26:59.809 --> 00:27:00.970
that's a great question. You know, we've gone

00:27:00.970 --> 00:27:02.529
back and forth in that. And for the past five

00:27:02.529 --> 00:27:05.230
years, it's always been a mix of fan voting as

00:27:05.230 --> 00:27:07.529
well as we have a, I think at this point it's

00:27:07.529 --> 00:27:10.789
about 45 member board of directors as well as

00:27:10.789 --> 00:27:13.170
advisory committee. So we've kind of taken all

00:27:13.170 --> 00:27:17.230
of the, you know, industry professionals say

00:27:17.230 --> 00:27:19.619
in our area, put them on an advisory committee

00:27:19.619 --> 00:27:22.079
or the board, and they are the ones that are

00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:25.079
able to provide a non -biased look at the talent

00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:28.400
that we have, not only for the annual Grammys,

00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:30.460
who's going to win best jazz band, best rock

00:27:30.460 --> 00:27:33.359
band, best rap artist, and so forth, but again,

00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:36.039
to then assess who's the greatest and greatest

00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:39.339
of all time and who deserves induction in the

00:27:39.339 --> 00:27:42.480
Hall of Fame. That fan vote is a piece of the

00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.079
puzzle, but we're very conscious to not make

00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.220
it be a... People's Choice Award or Fan Voting

00:27:48.220 --> 00:27:51.019
Award, because I mean, if your mom votes for

00:27:51.019 --> 00:27:54.279
you 10 ,000 times, you know, I mean, that's not

00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:58.460
that high praise and recognition. Right. And

00:27:58.460 --> 00:28:00.720
make a good point, too, because you could just

00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.440
be really good at like social media influencing

00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:06.779
and not really good at music, but get all these

00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:09.119
votes. And it's kind of so I like how you kind

00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:11.900
of take both or a bunch of different things into

00:28:11.900 --> 00:28:14.200
it. That's that's that's smart. Yeah, I feel

00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:16.259
like we have to do that for sure. Sorry, go ahead,

00:28:16.299 --> 00:28:18.720
Chip. Well, I was going to say, yeah, the playing

00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.740
field is way different than when we were coming

00:28:21.740 --> 00:28:23.619
up, obviously. So now you do have people that

00:28:23.619 --> 00:28:25.579
are really good at social media that could win

00:28:25.579 --> 00:28:28.039
those popularity contests. But I was sitting

00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:30.940
here thinking, well, do you have any up -and

00:28:30.940 --> 00:28:34.099
-coming acts that you know of that you think

00:28:34.099 --> 00:28:37.400
are going to be big or pop out and break out

00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:39.519
of Pennsylvania here, central Pennsylvania? For

00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:41.720
sure, man. I mean, you know, since we started

00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.720
this, you know, I think there's easy 10 to 20

00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:47.039
acts in our area that could be on the radio right

00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.640
now and produce quality just as good as, you

00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:51.660
know, who's out there in the mainstream today.

00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.099
I always got to be careful to throw out certain

00:28:55.099 --> 00:28:57.240
names out there because I don't want to play

00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.480
favorites. Yeah, I don't want to play favorites,

00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.160
but I'll. bias there uh but you know because

00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:05.359
i mean my my goal my organization is to uh you

00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:08.180
know service our entire community um but you

00:29:08.180 --> 00:29:10.539
know i think if if i'd invite the crowd out there

00:29:10.539 --> 00:29:13.799
too our website is uh cpmhof .com which is the

00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.599
acronym for central pennsylvania music hall of

00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.140
fame you can check out the nominees over the

00:29:18.140 --> 00:29:20.839
years you can check out the winners You can dig

00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.579
deeper. You can find their music on iTunes, Spotify,

00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:26.039
you name it. And you can make the decision for

00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:28.799
yourself. But I guarantee you there's a couple

00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:31.400
in there. Specifically, you know, just on a factual

00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:34.460
basis, there's a guy named Hunter Root who's

00:29:34.460 --> 00:29:37.440
kind of gone viral on TikTok. And as you mentioned,

00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.059
you know, I heard some of your conversation before

00:29:40.059 --> 00:29:41.980
I joined in here with management. And it almost

00:29:41.980 --> 00:29:44.400
seems like the new priority for management is

00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.579
social media following. Right. And he went viral,

00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.579
you know, went from tens of thousands of likes

00:29:50.579 --> 00:29:52.660
on TikTok to, you know, hundreds of thousands.

00:29:53.059 --> 00:29:55.380
The guy's blowing up. And that seems to be the

00:29:55.380 --> 00:29:57.160
ticket now that kind of shoots people into the

00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.519
stratosphere. So good on him. We can't wait to

00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.440
see him continue to grow, too. Absolutely. That's

00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.019
cool. Yeah. I was also thinking, you know, I'm

00:30:05.019 --> 00:30:08.400
sitting here in the studio that we have here

00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:12.000
at 210 York Street. You got to come down and

00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.200
see it. One. Two, we might be able to do some

00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:17.430
kind of like, you know. integration with the

00:30:17.430 --> 00:30:21.410
Hall of Fame and have artists that want to come

00:30:21.410 --> 00:30:24.230
and use an actual state -of -the -art studio.

00:30:24.670 --> 00:30:28.670
I know it's not a priority as far as artists

00:30:28.670 --> 00:30:33.630
at this point because they can make with computers

00:30:33.630 --> 00:30:36.109
and you can just sit at home and make records

00:30:36.109 --> 00:30:39.509
now. It's amazing what you can do with an Apple

00:30:39.509 --> 00:30:43.099
laptop and even an iPad at this point. Not like

00:30:43.099 --> 00:30:44.980
being in that studio that you're at with all

00:30:44.980 --> 00:30:47.519
the top. Right. Yeah. That would be, I don't

00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:48.819
know. We should have further discussion about

00:30:48.819 --> 00:30:50.839
that, about having people come and use this because

00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:54.099
you know, it's, it's, we, we use it. I use it

00:30:54.099 --> 00:30:57.220
to make my, my drum videos on YouTube and we

00:30:57.220 --> 00:30:59.480
do some podcasting from here. Occasionally we'll

00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:01.940
have a, uh, an artist come in, just people that

00:31:01.940 --> 00:31:05.420
we know, but we're looking to expand and maybe

00:31:05.420 --> 00:31:07.740
get, you know, get more presence for it and especially

00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:10.240
potential PA for artists to use. So that could

00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.859
be cool. Yeah, that's a great idea. I mean, I

00:31:12.859 --> 00:31:14.460
even think back to, you know, I don't know, 10,

00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:16.519
20 years ago, repeating something like that,

00:31:16.539 --> 00:31:18.519
which is kind of like a studio sessions. You

00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:20.440
know, you feature an artist, you record a video

00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.500
and you give it to them for content and you kind

00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:25.039
of, you know, boost everything up. So, yeah,

00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.440
it'd be cool to collaborate for sure. Yeah. Well,

00:31:27.500 --> 00:31:31.940
we'll discuss off air. Yeah. And what a cool

00:31:31.940 --> 00:31:33.839
thing for, you know, young and up and coming

00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.460
recording artists. That's, you know. mastered

00:31:36.460 --> 00:31:38.319
it at home and stuff but they get to go use a

00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:40.500
professional studio that's a that's a you know

00:31:40.500 --> 00:31:42.680
horse of a different color as they say in the

00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.859
wizard of oz yes and it's a beautiful studio

00:31:45.859 --> 00:31:48.980
man it's top of the line they got uh these walls

00:31:48.980 --> 00:31:52.119
on there that you could like flip to absorb the

00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:54.559
sound or flip them the other way so that bounces

00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:57.099
the sound off like they got real stated the line

00:31:57.099 --> 00:31:59.619
top of the art shit there so it's really cool

00:31:59.619 --> 00:32:04.619
love it yeah i'm sitting there as well what was

00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:06.190
that I said, it sounds like you've been there

00:32:06.190 --> 00:32:08.710
as well. Yes. Yes. Yeah. He's coming here tonight.

00:32:08.829 --> 00:32:11.269
Yeah. I'm sitting in the control room right now.

00:32:11.289 --> 00:32:17.710
I'm panning around. Nice. I like it. Love it.

00:32:17.970 --> 00:32:19.809
Our buddy, our buddy Bill's out there doing some

00:32:19.809 --> 00:32:21.630
podcasting right now, but like, this is, you

00:32:21.630 --> 00:32:25.130
know, go Bill. We got the SSL board and we got

00:32:25.130 --> 00:32:27.230
studio a, we have a B room as well. We have,

00:32:27.329 --> 00:32:31.150
uh, isolation rooms on either side. So yeah,

00:32:31.210 --> 00:32:34.430
it's, uh, Let them talk about that because it's

00:32:34.430 --> 00:32:37.069
a great resource that like live had nothing like

00:32:37.069 --> 00:32:40.509
this available or even around when we were up

00:32:40.509 --> 00:32:42.950
and coming. Yeah. I think, is that where you

00:32:42.950 --> 00:32:45.869
mentioned you have, you know, like the live drum

00:32:45.869 --> 00:32:49.410
set that you used in the beginning? Yeah. Yeah.

00:32:49.490 --> 00:32:52.150
It's set up right out here. Yeah. Right. Awesome.

00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.980
And they got a cool ass, like on the roof, it's

00:32:54.980 --> 00:32:58.259
a, it's like a patio, like on the roof with like

00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:01.000
a, it's like a party area. You got cookies out

00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:03.559
there running stuff, but the view from up there,

00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:06.140
I was like impressed that like, there's a cool

00:33:06.140 --> 00:33:08.700
ass view in New York, Pennsylvania. I wasn't,

00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:10.420
you know, I'm thinking I always see New York

00:33:10.420 --> 00:33:11.940
city and stuff and that's cool, but this was

00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:15.099
like very, very cool. And you got literally,

00:33:15.180 --> 00:33:18.099
you could see for, I would say a couple of miles,

00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.680
Chad, like it's, you could see you got good.

00:33:21.180 --> 00:33:23.720
Good view of the city. Yeah, you can see all

00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:27.400
of it. We have a 360 view. You can see the mountains

00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.759
and the hills around. We kind of overlook the

00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:33.279
baseball stadium. We can almost see home plate

00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:37.519
from the deck. That's cool, man. Awesome. Good

00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.539
old York Revs, right? There you go. And I bring

00:33:40.539 --> 00:33:43.200
my stripper pole every time I come, so there's

00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:47.519
that. Love it. Love that. Don't do that. Yeah,

00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:49.559
don't do that. Back to the regular scheduled

00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:55.319
programming. So how's this, Brandon? How do the

00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:57.940
acts get onto your radar? Is this something they

00:33:57.940 --> 00:34:00.720
submit to? Is it something you guys are finding

00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.799
on your own? How does that come about? Yeah,

00:34:03.819 --> 00:34:05.480
I mean, I think, you know, with that 45 plus

00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:07.740
person board and advisory committee, you know,

00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:10.019
a lot of it stems from there, which is, you know,

00:34:10.019 --> 00:34:14.119
we're. you know, knowledge of local acts. Right.

00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.119
We kind of try to diversify that to where, you

00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:19.260
know, certain members are from two and a half

00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:21.579
hours north. Certain members are, you know, an

00:34:21.579 --> 00:34:24.179
hour west of us. So they kind of each kind of

00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:26.780
have their own kind of pods of following local

00:34:26.780 --> 00:34:31.960
music scene and or their own knowledge of some

00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:34.380
of the greatest bands of all time. Because, you

00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:36.699
know, one thing I just learned this past Christmas

00:34:36.699 --> 00:34:38.860
is I can't remember. I have it in my notes, but

00:34:38.860 --> 00:34:43.500
I think it's the guy who wrote Walking in a Winter

00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:46.400
Wonderland is from like an hour north of Harrisburg.

00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.460
So it's like stuff like that. Right. It's even

00:34:49.460 --> 00:34:52.239
a songwriter. Like I had no idea that existed

00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:54.739
because some of that is back in, you know, the

00:34:54.739 --> 00:34:59.579
1940s. Right. for consideration. So, you know,

00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:01.559
we're getting to the point now where, where the

00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.760
organization is getting, getting a lot of, uh,

00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.159
uh, you know, press, uh, you know, media attention

00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:12.139
and it's, it's starting to really bubble up with,

00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:16.280
uh, you know, fan input and, you know, just the

00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.320
people reaching out to us to say, Hey, have you

00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.199
ever heard of this? They should look into that.

00:35:20.300 --> 00:35:22.280
They, they dominated the scene in the forties

00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.849
and the fifties. And, you know, or or hey there's

00:35:25.849 --> 00:35:29.170
a there's a new artist out in uh you know chambersburg

00:35:29.170 --> 00:35:31.719
pennsylvania make sure they're on your radar

00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:34.860
kind of thing. Each, each year we, we have a

00:35:34.860 --> 00:35:36.940
submission area on our website too, that we encourage

00:35:36.940 --> 00:35:39.519
the artists themselves to go on and either submit

00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:41.659
themselves for hall of fame consideration or

00:35:41.659 --> 00:35:44.760
for our annual awards for submission too. So,

00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:47.739
you know, try to be a sponge and get as many

00:35:47.739 --> 00:35:50.059
sources as we can for information. It's, it's

00:35:50.059 --> 00:35:52.340
virtually impossible for us to know everybody

00:35:52.340 --> 00:35:55.199
out there. Right. But we try to do as best as

00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:56.719
we possibly can for sure. I was going to, I was

00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:58.059
going to say there's a couple of bands that I

00:35:58.059 --> 00:36:00.269
remember when we were coming up, there's. The

00:36:00.269 --> 00:36:02.670
Ocean Blue, have you heard of them? Yep, absolutely.

00:36:02.769 --> 00:36:05.010
I think Hershey. They were from Hershey, right?

00:36:05.090 --> 00:36:07.110
Were they on the ballot? That's cool. Yep, they're

00:36:07.110 --> 00:36:08.570
on the ballot, and they're actually coming back.

00:36:08.610 --> 00:36:11.070
We booked them for an outdoor music festival

00:36:11.070 --> 00:36:13.349
this summer. They're going to come, and it's

00:36:13.349 --> 00:36:14.889
called Proudly PA, and they're going to headline

00:36:14.889 --> 00:36:18.130
for us. Oh, very cool. Awesome. Good for them.

00:36:18.389 --> 00:36:20.530
And then there was a band called The Sharks that

00:36:20.530 --> 00:36:23.269
was a big cover band. Yep. They would always

00:36:23.269 --> 00:36:25.780
play. at this club here in york that was called

00:36:25.780 --> 00:36:28.239
zakey's or whatever back in the day yeah we go

00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:29.559
check them out because they were playing all

00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:32.139
the 80s covers that we liked but yeah you got

00:36:32.139 --> 00:36:33.920
it we actually inducted the sharks they had all

00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:37.860
the numbers there uh except the the lead singer

00:36:37.860 --> 00:36:40.820
uh passed away i think from cancer years back

00:36:40.820 --> 00:36:44.000
five five ten years something like that uh but

00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.039
his son replaced him and he sounds just like

00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:48.519
him oh very cool they still toured at that time

00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.980
they've kind of um stopped uh stopped performing

00:36:51.980 --> 00:36:54.539
together as the original five plus the sun, but,

00:36:54.539 --> 00:36:57.320
um, but yeah, great band. Um, a lot of originals

00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.380
too. So it's awesome. Yeah. I mean, they did

00:37:00.380 --> 00:37:02.519
originals as well. Yes. But sure. It's cool.

00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.320
Yeah. It's good to get caught up on the, on those

00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.539
local blacks that we remember. I mean, ocean

00:37:07.539 --> 00:37:09.139
blue can be became a national act obviously,

00:37:09.260 --> 00:37:11.659
but yeah. And they're still touring today, which

00:37:11.659 --> 00:37:15.380
is great. You're kind of like in a mini. Self

00:37:15.380 --> 00:37:16.980
-imposed competition with them because they got

00:37:16.980 --> 00:37:21.960
signed before we did. Okay, nice. We used to

00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:24.900
play at the Chameleon all the time. Yeah. What

00:37:24.900 --> 00:37:28.000
year did you guys get signed? We got signed in

00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:33.199
91. Okay, nice. Yeah, 91, yes. And then Rolling

00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:36.820
Stones Artist of the Year 95. Who do we say won,

00:37:36.900 --> 00:37:41.050
Mr. Chad Gracie? Live, baby. No comment. Well,

00:37:41.090 --> 00:37:42.829
it was, it was friendly back then, but come on.

00:37:42.849 --> 00:37:45.030
I gotta, I gotta shout out to my favorite band

00:37:45.030 --> 00:37:47.909
out there. Proud of you gentlemen. Oh, I appreciate

00:37:47.909 --> 00:37:51.429
it. Yeah. Uh, that, that the album throwing copper

00:37:51.429 --> 00:37:53.949
was just, it was, again, I fell in love with

00:37:53.949 --> 00:37:56.030
you guys with, uh, operation spirit and pain

00:37:56.030 --> 00:37:57.929
lies in Riverside. But just when throwing copper

00:37:57.929 --> 00:38:00.250
came out, man, it changed my life. It changed

00:38:00.250 --> 00:38:03.449
my view on music. I was like, Holy shit. These

00:38:03.449 --> 00:38:05.989
guys can actually rock. They could write songs

00:38:05.989 --> 00:38:09.000
with meaning. It's. a different sound than what

00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.000
you're used to. And then when you find out you

00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:13.280
guys all grew up together and that's how you

00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:14.780
guys started your band, it's like a beautiful,

00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.920
beautiful story, you know? And then he came on

00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.079
the scene and boom, here we are. Hey, we had

00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.840
a, we had a good run. Chad, do you remember back

00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:26.840
when, how does that work with the Rolling Stone

00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:28.920
artists of the year? Was that the, does the magazine

00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.760
pick that? Is that something fans vote? That

00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:35.179
was fan vote. So we had a rocky sort of relationship

00:38:35.179 --> 00:38:37.949
with Rolling Stone because our, Our record company

00:38:37.949 --> 00:38:39.889
president, who then became our manager, Guy Kerfuss,

00:38:39.989 --> 00:38:42.530
who has passed away. He was a legendary music

00:38:42.530 --> 00:38:47.489
manager. He managed Blondie, James Dixon, the

00:38:47.489 --> 00:38:50.550
Ramones, Talking Heads. He's big time in New

00:38:50.550 --> 00:38:52.130
York. And he started a record company. That's

00:38:52.130 --> 00:38:54.630
who signed us as a subsidiary of MCA Universal

00:38:54.630 --> 00:39:01.590
at the time. And so, yeah. Now I just lost my

00:39:01.590 --> 00:39:03.630
train of thought. Well, no. We're talking about

00:39:03.630 --> 00:39:06.059
the history. The fans voted you into Rolling

00:39:06.059 --> 00:39:08.780
Stone. Oh yeah. So he, so he, he, he loathed

00:39:08.780 --> 00:39:11.559
music magazines. He did Gary Kerfer's hated music

00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.400
magazines. He's like, they need you more than

00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:16.539
you need them. And so we would, we would, we

00:39:16.539 --> 00:39:18.840
turned down the cover Rolling Stone like four

00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:23.460
times in 95, maybe 94 too. And he was like, and

00:39:23.460 --> 00:39:25.079
we were like, are you sure about this? Like,

00:39:25.099 --> 00:39:28.079
maybe you should go on. Like, and then when he

00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.039
was like, when, when the vote, when the fan vote

00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.000
came artists of the year, he was like, now you're

00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.619
on the cover. boom okay yeah great but i think

00:39:35.619 --> 00:39:38.940
that's kind of like looking back you know hindsight's

00:39:38.940 --> 00:39:42.019
2020 but like bands like pearl jam nirvana like

00:39:42.019 --> 00:39:46.059
obviously they're huge acts but they put themselves

00:39:46.059 --> 00:39:47.760
on they were on the cover of all those magazines

00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.179
all the time yes and we were turning them down

00:39:50.179 --> 00:39:52.900
so i think that's kind of part of the the disconnect

00:39:52.900 --> 00:39:54.699
that there's a live like people know the songs

00:39:54.699 --> 00:39:56.460
but don't know the band necessarily sometimes

00:39:57.130 --> 00:39:58.530
Well, I was going to say that, Chad, you guys

00:39:58.530 --> 00:40:00.570
were kind of real to what you said. Like they

00:40:00.570 --> 00:40:02.849
would in front of cameras and stuff, say they

00:40:02.849 --> 00:40:04.789
didn't want to be like, they didn't want to be

00:40:04.789 --> 00:40:06.909
in the limelight and stuff like that. Yet they

00:40:06.909 --> 00:40:09.869
would do all these press releases that, but you

00:40:09.869 --> 00:40:11.550
guys actually stuck to it. You know, you didn't,

00:40:11.550 --> 00:40:13.929
you were about the music and then, you know,

00:40:13.929 --> 00:40:15.570
you weren't being fake. You were actually doing

00:40:15.570 --> 00:40:18.010
what you wanted to do. So I get it for good or

00:40:18.010 --> 00:40:21.349
bad. Yeah. Yeah. You don't think, you know, you

00:40:21.349 --> 00:40:24.159
don't want to. Have to be beholden to that. And

00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:26.079
you guys didn't. I mean, you guys blew up like

00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.420
that without really doing all that crazy press

00:40:28.420 --> 00:40:30.780
and stuff. So that's cool in that aspect, too.

00:40:31.699 --> 00:40:34.960
Yep. I guess that was kind of Gary's point. And

00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:38.460
then Live's MTV Unplugged. The fact that you

00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:41.099
guys didn't release that, because that is a legendary

00:40:41.099 --> 00:40:44.260
performance, man. I have asked about that several

00:40:44.260 --> 00:40:46.039
times over the years, and the record company

00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:49.079
wouldn't let us do it. because it would have

00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:51.360
been like one of your albums on your contract

00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:55.440
and they wanted an original Universal has been

00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.039
they were just like they did the weirdest shit

00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:01.840
with us they were great for throwing copper and

00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:06.619
then after that they just made very stupid decisions

00:41:06.619 --> 00:41:10.320
about how they were going to release our records

00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.500
what they were going to put out what they weren't

00:41:12.500 --> 00:41:17.349
going to put out it was just dumb Until 1997,

00:41:18.570 --> 00:41:21.670
Secret Samadhi debuts at number one. What's up?

00:41:22.449 --> 00:41:25.570
That was cool, yes. Yes, it was, man. First time

00:41:25.570 --> 00:41:28.289
I heard Lakini's Juice, I was like, whoa, this

00:41:28.289 --> 00:41:30.269
is a new sound for these guys. This is fucking

00:41:30.269 --> 00:41:34.309
awesome. And then I was talking to fans of yours

00:41:34.309 --> 00:41:37.650
online the past week because Secret Samadhi turned

00:41:37.650 --> 00:41:40.710
27. And we were all just kind of reminiscent

00:41:40.710 --> 00:41:42.909
about, you know, when the album came out, how

00:41:42.909 --> 00:41:45.170
we got it, when we put it in. And it was good

00:41:45.170 --> 00:41:48.829
to hear all the stories. My brief story is I

00:41:48.829 --> 00:41:51.570
was in a high school cut early with one of my

00:41:51.570 --> 00:41:53.929
best friends. And we didn't drive at the time.

00:41:53.949 --> 00:41:56.469
And we had our older brother cut with us and

00:41:56.469 --> 00:42:00.610
go to Sam Goody and buy the CD. So that's those

00:42:00.610 --> 00:42:05.130
good old days. Sam Goody, yes. Yeah, man. Chad

00:42:05.130 --> 00:42:07.599
and I were speaking last week, Brandon. it's

00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:09.840
nice to have all this music at your fingertips

00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:12.440
with the streaming and stuff like that. But that

00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:15.340
feeling you got when you bought an album and

00:42:15.340 --> 00:42:17.579
you, you know, pulled out the liner notes and

00:42:17.579 --> 00:42:21.340
you pop that CD in or tape or a track or record,

00:42:21.380 --> 00:42:24.320
whatever, like that's the magic of that is lost.

00:42:24.460 --> 00:42:27.260
And, and, you know, generations to this day won't

00:42:27.260 --> 00:42:29.699
really understand that you, you in agreement

00:42:29.699 --> 00:42:32.980
with that? Yeah, I think so, man. I mean, I don't

00:42:32.980 --> 00:42:34.849
know. They say, you know, you know music lights

00:42:34.849 --> 00:42:36.750
up certain firing in your brains for memories

00:42:36.750 --> 00:42:38.349
takes you back to where you were at a certain

00:42:38.349 --> 00:42:41.909
time the same can be said for smells too and

00:42:41.909 --> 00:42:43.409
as you were mentioning that you know popping

00:42:43.409 --> 00:42:45.650
and popping open a cd and just like smelling

00:42:45.650 --> 00:42:48.880
the new plastic uh hell even the same with vinyl

00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:51.500
you know just uh it just takes you to the place

00:42:51.500 --> 00:42:53.400
and i think some of that's maybe kind of coming

00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:56.900
back with with uh with some vinyl but uh who

00:42:56.900 --> 00:42:59.179
knows man maybe 10 more years from now like you

00:42:59.179 --> 00:43:01.539
know cds will be the thing again and people people

00:43:01.539 --> 00:43:04.139
be wanting to go back and buy cds or something

00:43:04.139 --> 00:43:06.320
but well because that's a lot of cassettes made

00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:08.300
a little little return for a while people are

00:43:08.300 --> 00:43:11.719
getting into cassettes yeah yeah i don't know

00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:15.920
who knows i know funny I think it's just a hipster

00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:18.039
vibe, you know, like we want to get back to the

00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:22.480
past kind of thing. The record thing is kind

00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.360
of cool. I don't know if this was something like

00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:27.739
I heard and it was like, you know, not said properly,

00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.400
but in one of these past couple of years, I heard

00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:33.380
that vinyl actually outsold CDs. Did you guys

00:43:33.380 --> 00:43:36.079
hear that? Or am I just dreaming these things

00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.820
up in my head? I believe that for sure. I mean,

00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:44.170
who is buying CDs? You know, I mean, it's wild

00:43:44.170 --> 00:43:46.050
because we even we even, you know, on a local

00:43:46.050 --> 00:43:47.789
level, we still kind of say the same thing. It's

00:43:47.789 --> 00:43:50.670
very pricey to produce a vinyl. But for a local

00:43:50.670 --> 00:43:53.789
artist right now, what do you sell merch wise?

00:43:53.929 --> 00:43:55.510
You know, you got hats, you got T -shirts, stuff

00:43:55.510 --> 00:43:57.889
like that. But nobody's making vinyl and you

00:43:57.889 --> 00:44:00.489
can't sell a download card or something to say

00:44:00.489 --> 00:44:03.590
go on iTunes. So local artists still genuinely

00:44:03.590 --> 00:44:06.780
produce CDs. But the people who buy them, it's

00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:08.159
more of a collector's item that they want to

00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:10.380
sign or put it on the shelf, not actually have

00:44:10.380 --> 00:44:12.699
an actual CD player in their car anymore or even

00:44:12.699 --> 00:44:15.099
at home to play. So it's an antiquated technology.

00:44:16.260 --> 00:44:19.719
Right. And that was like for bands starting out

00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.219
back in the day, that was a lot of how they got

00:44:22.219 --> 00:44:24.920
themselves from show to show. And, you know,

00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:26.980
on the tour was they would sell their merch,

00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:29.000
they would sell their CDs or tapes or whatever.

00:44:29.630 --> 00:44:31.650
And now that kind of avenue, I mean, merch, yes,

00:44:31.730 --> 00:44:34.329
but, you know, who's really buying merch for

00:44:34.329 --> 00:44:36.070
somebody they don't know, but a CD or something,

00:44:36.230 --> 00:44:38.250
you know, they would. So it's like, where are

00:44:38.250 --> 00:44:41.409
they, you know, where's the revenue coming from

00:44:41.409 --> 00:44:43.730
for these local and starting up bands? It's a

00:44:43.730 --> 00:44:47.130
harder industry in some aspects and maybe a little

00:44:47.130 --> 00:44:48.909
bit easier because you could use social media

00:44:48.909 --> 00:44:51.170
and stuff like that. But until you get enough

00:44:51.170 --> 00:44:53.650
followers and a big enough audience, you know,

00:44:53.670 --> 00:44:57.010
you're really not monetized that way. Agreed.

00:44:57.329 --> 00:45:00.369
Yeah. Um, so yeah, it's just, it's just like

00:45:00.369 --> 00:45:01.769
back in the day, you used to be able to tell

00:45:01.769 --> 00:45:04.190
people a blueprint for, you know, how to, how

00:45:04.190 --> 00:45:06.650
to, you know, be in a rock and roll band and

00:45:06.650 --> 00:45:09.530
get a van, get booked and sell your stuff. But

00:45:09.530 --> 00:45:11.829
like now it's kind of like, you gotta, you gotta

00:45:11.829 --> 00:45:14.849
make it up as you go, so to speak. Yeah. I've

00:45:14.849 --> 00:45:17.250
had younger artists ask me like, you know, what

00:45:17.250 --> 00:45:18.630
do you think we should do? And I'm like, I have

00:45:18.630 --> 00:45:22.210
no idea. Cause the landscape is completely different

00:45:22.210 --> 00:45:24.309
than when, when live was coming up. Like you,

00:45:24.409 --> 00:45:27.119
you should like you. you wrote songs and then

00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:28.699
you try to get a record deal that's what you

00:45:28.699 --> 00:45:31.159
did because then yeah and i would even say you

00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:32.340
know you try to get up and try to get on the

00:45:32.340 --> 00:45:33.940
radio in between there right yeah i mean like

00:45:33.940 --> 00:45:35.679
you know just to get your first song on the radio

00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:37.780
oh absolutely yeah yeah if you could get on the

00:45:37.780 --> 00:45:39.699
radio yeah that was yeah that was a big part

00:45:39.699 --> 00:45:42.380
of it too like we we got a couple songs on the

00:45:42.380 --> 00:45:44.059
like the local radio stations a couple times

00:45:44.059 --> 00:45:46.920
but yeah but then that was like your main goal

00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:50.420
was like get a record right sure that was when

00:45:50.420 --> 00:45:53.230
you made you got a record deal and to be honest

00:45:53.230 --> 00:45:55.929
now even now now it's like you know approach

00:45:55.929 --> 00:45:57.530
that with a grain of salt because there's so

00:45:57.530 --> 00:46:00.090
many of these like boutique or like super tiny

00:46:00.090 --> 00:46:02.269
record companies that will just sign artists

00:46:02.269 --> 00:46:04.610
but really it's just like kind of almost a scheme

00:46:04.610 --> 00:46:06.750
right they ask for like thousands and thousands

00:46:06.750 --> 00:46:08.369
of dollars from the artists and they'll say we'll

00:46:08.369 --> 00:46:11.590
sign you so to speak right but it's really just

00:46:11.590 --> 00:46:14.570
they're paying for something outside of it so

00:46:14.570 --> 00:46:17.449
artists have to be careful out there for getting

00:46:17.449 --> 00:46:19.739
signed but to your point getting signed needs

00:46:19.739 --> 00:46:22.420
to be an actual legit record label for sure oh

00:46:22.420 --> 00:46:26.099
for sure yeah absolutely and i mean you and now

00:46:26.099 --> 00:46:28.599
they've even the record companies they want to

00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:30.920
do like 360 deals they want to have part of your

00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:33.539
merch or your tori and it's like no no no don't

00:46:33.539 --> 00:46:36.800
ever give that up yeah i mean at the same time

00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:38.099
you know it's a business and they're trying to

00:46:38.099 --> 00:46:40.139
get their money back but you know you end up

00:46:40.139 --> 00:46:42.619
blowing up and they owned you know 80 of your

00:46:42.619 --> 00:46:44.679
merch you're you're kind of screwed eternally

00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.880
for the get for the duration of your fame yes

00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:50.579
or at least uh you know if you do have to do

00:46:50.579 --> 00:46:53.219
that make sure you can you know renegotiate that

00:46:53.219 --> 00:46:56.480
yearly yeah that's a great point that is a good

00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:59.780
point and a lot of times what they used to do

00:46:59.780 --> 00:47:02.000
like for music videos and stuff like that which

00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.460
was another great avenue like mtv back in the

00:47:04.460 --> 00:47:07.480
day was awesome it was so cool to see your bands

00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.360
take the music and then put something visually

00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.750
to it Like, I can't believe that we kind of gotten

00:47:13.750 --> 00:47:16.630
away from that, too. Like, I don't even I know

00:47:16.630 --> 00:47:19.130
they're still releasing music videos, but I'm

00:47:19.130 --> 00:47:21.630
not watching them. I mean, I wouldn't even know

00:47:21.630 --> 00:47:23.309
where to watch them on TV. I would know to go

00:47:23.309 --> 00:47:25.650
to YouTube and stuff like that. But it's like

00:47:25.650 --> 00:47:27.869
that's even like a lost art. Like Michael Jackson

00:47:27.869 --> 00:47:30.190
was probably the best at it with the thriller

00:47:30.190 --> 00:47:34.110
video. You know, even the bad video that had

00:47:34.110 --> 00:47:38.110
Wesley Snipes in it way back in the day. He kind

00:47:38.110 --> 00:47:40.139
of took that to the next level, but. Like, I

00:47:40.139 --> 00:47:43.260
wonder why MTV would get away from that and go

00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:45.380
into the shows, I guess, more viewers. I really

00:47:45.380 --> 00:47:48.860
don't know. Anybody have a thought on that? I

00:47:48.860 --> 00:47:52.000
mean, it's interesting. And I think from my perspective,

00:47:52.059 --> 00:47:53.940
as far as, you know, local musicians, they certainly

00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:56.460
still. put a lot of money, a lot of time, effort

00:47:56.460 --> 00:47:58.739
into music videos. And they kind of try to use

00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:01.780
then snippets on social media or, you know, the

00:48:01.780 --> 00:48:03.840
whole video on YouTube. And it's almost kind

00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:06.840
of a method of advertising marketing. But you're

00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.019
right. I mean, none of that is going to, you

00:48:09.019 --> 00:48:11.099
know, boost you up unless, you know, something

00:48:11.099 --> 00:48:13.420
goes viral. And that's the means then for you

00:48:13.420 --> 00:48:15.920
to maybe get some, you know, that almost seems

00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:18.579
like the ticket right now. You get popular on

00:48:18.579 --> 00:48:21.539
social media and it's eye opening to the record

00:48:21.539 --> 00:48:23.800
companies to say, hey, maybe they're legit. We

00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:26.199
should we should check this out. And, you know,

00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:29.099
content is king, too. So in that respect, I mean,

00:48:29.139 --> 00:48:31.699
whether it's you, you know, singing along to

00:48:31.699 --> 00:48:34.179
an acoustic guitar in a video or producing a

00:48:34.179 --> 00:48:36.719
professional music video, so to speak. Right.

00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.300
it seems like it's still relevant just in smaller,

00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.320
shorter attention span clips. But to your point

00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.179
with the music videos, yeah. I mean, Michael

00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:47.699
Jackson, they were cinematic experiences, you

00:48:47.699 --> 00:48:50.460
know, and now you, unless you're a fan of the

00:48:50.460 --> 00:48:52.539
artists, you're not, you're not finding any music

00:48:52.539 --> 00:48:54.739
videos out there in everyday life, you know?

00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:59.780
Very true. And it's like, you know, it's, it's.

00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:03.539
like there's like famous youtube stars or influencers

00:49:03.539 --> 00:49:06.659
and stuff that i don't even know from adam but

00:49:06.659 --> 00:49:09.119
you know they have a big following else like

00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:11.539
in another place and stuff so it's kind of just

00:49:11.539 --> 00:49:13.480
crazy whereas like back in the day we had like

00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.179
57 channels we all kind of watched the same thing

00:49:16.179 --> 00:49:18.940
we were in tune to the same you know stuff that

00:49:18.940 --> 00:49:21.699
was on you know friends would come on tv everybody's

00:49:21.699 --> 00:49:24.900
watching it at eight o 'clock now it's like nothing's

00:49:24.900 --> 00:49:27.360
really centralized everybody's getting all their

00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.239
content and stuff from all over the place so

00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:33.079
it's like um you know you would have the monday

00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:35.219
morning cooler talk where you would talk about

00:49:35.219 --> 00:49:37.119
the shit that happened over the weekend and everybody

00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.320
was on the same page because you know they kind

00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:41.699
of saw the same thing now that monday morning

00:49:41.699 --> 00:49:44.159
cooler talk is like oh well i was catching this

00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:46.599
on tiktok and i was watching this on instagram

00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:49.900
it's like all over than that we're not all seeing

00:49:49.900 --> 00:49:53.780
the same stuff yeah over saturation of content

00:49:53.780 --> 00:49:56.019
i guess you know so it's harder to stand out

00:49:56.019 --> 00:49:59.300
for sure Yeah. Yeah. I'd be curious to know,

00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.119
Chad, from your perspective, I mean, like, you

00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:02.840
know, what kind of volume of bands do you think

00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:05.380
you saw in the area and what was the competition

00:50:05.380 --> 00:50:08.320
like? And you mentioned the ocean blue, but you

00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.380
know, as far as like getting the gig, you know,

00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:11.880
I'm sure there was times where you're like, Oh,

00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:13.699
they got that opening slot or they got on that

00:50:13.699 --> 00:50:15.380
stage. Like, how do we get on that kind of thing?

00:50:15.420 --> 00:50:20.639
Our biggest hurdle back then was we, we grew

00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:24.179
up listening to. New Wave, then it was U2, The

00:50:24.179 --> 00:50:26.360
Cure, The Smiths, R .E .M., all that kind of

00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:29.139
stuff, NXS. That's the stuff we were covering.

00:50:30.699 --> 00:50:34.639
Especially in the late 80s, in the very early

00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:39.480
90s, it was all heavy metal around here. Poison,

00:50:39.579 --> 00:50:43.579
obviously, and all the hair metal bands. You

00:50:43.579 --> 00:50:48.079
had to struggle to get a gig because they wanted

00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.849
to book a hair metal cover act. They didn't want

00:50:50.849 --> 00:50:54.110
a bunch of high school kids playing New Wave.

00:50:55.050 --> 00:50:58.469
We were like, what the fuck is this? We did a

00:50:58.469 --> 00:51:00.309
battle of the bands at the York Fairgrounds back

00:51:00.309 --> 00:51:04.070
in I think it was 89 or 90. I don't think we

00:51:04.070 --> 00:51:06.670
were signed yet, but we lost to a hair metal

00:51:06.670 --> 00:51:11.769
cover band called Hide Your Daughters. Was that

00:51:11.769 --> 00:51:14.250
when you were public affection at that time?

00:51:14.469 --> 00:51:18.630
We were still public affection, yeah. We lost

00:51:18.630 --> 00:51:22.710
to Hide Your Daughters. Wow. I've never heard

00:51:22.710 --> 00:51:26.110
of them. Yeah, that's interesting. So I guess

00:51:26.110 --> 00:51:28.630
you wanted the long one, Jeff. Yeah, but that

00:51:28.630 --> 00:51:31.110
was our biggest hurdle in the very early days,

00:51:31.150 --> 00:51:33.329
just getting any kind of gigs where they didn't

00:51:33.329 --> 00:51:36.170
want hair metal cover band. Gotcha. Interesting.

00:51:36.449 --> 00:51:38.289
And then when we started building momentum, we

00:51:38.289 --> 00:51:40.170
started building momentum at the Chameleon in

00:51:40.170 --> 00:51:41.889
Lancaster. I mean, that's, you know, thank God

00:51:41.889 --> 00:51:44.570
to Rich Ruhoff who put us on all the time. For

00:51:44.570 --> 00:51:48.739
sure. But that was like the... the only cool

00:51:48.739 --> 00:51:51.679
club in the area to play. Yeah, for sure. Obviously

00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.079
have, you know, alternative music and whatever.

00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:56.360
So that was, that was our big saving grace. And

00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:58.980
so that's where we saw the ocean blue and not

00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:00.760
necessarily the sharks there, but like ocean

00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:03.039
blue. And I can't, I'm trying to remember any

00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:06.800
other acts that we would see often there. There,

00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:08.719
there weren't a lot that there weren't a lot

00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:12.400
of local acts at that point. Yeah. At least on

00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:14.820
our radar, at least on our radar. Yeah. Right.

00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:17.119
Right. Did you guys ever play at the Metron to

00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:19.780
Harrisburg? We played a couple times there. We

00:52:19.780 --> 00:52:22.940
opened for Modern English one time at the Metron.

00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:26.679
We used to cover I'll Stop the World and Melt

00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:29.820
With You. We were going to play it that night,

00:52:29.860 --> 00:52:34.119
but we decided not to. Yeah, that's good. You

00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:36.340
don't want to play the band you're opening up

00:52:36.340 --> 00:52:39.119
for. Yeah, right. I have to play it better than

00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:41.800
them. Yeah, exactly. You play their hit, that's

00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:45.340
a big faux pas. That's a big no -no. Chad, somebody

00:52:45.340 --> 00:52:48.679
said something over the last couple weeks. Did

00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:51.239
you guys have something out before Death of a

00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.280
Dictionary? Somebody had said that. We had an

00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:58.460
EP called Divided Mind, Divided Planet. Oh. And

00:52:58.460 --> 00:53:01.320
I can't even remember what the song titles were

00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:02.980
on that, but it was like four or five songs.

00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.159
Okay. And we made that on like a set four track

00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:08.840
or something like that. Yeah, pretty well. Very

00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:11.889
cool. So yeah, the audience was asking that.

00:53:11.909 --> 00:53:13.650
So you guys got your answer there, dude. That's

00:53:13.650 --> 00:53:14.750
cool. I'm going to have to go check that out.

00:53:14.769 --> 00:53:18.409
Was it songs that ended up on Death of a Dictionary

00:53:18.409 --> 00:53:21.570
or was it like stuff that you had scrapped or

00:53:21.570 --> 00:53:23.469
do you remember? There's going to be some super

00:53:23.469 --> 00:53:25.130
fan that knows this better than me. I can't even

00:53:25.130 --> 00:53:27.889
remember the song titles on that. I don't know.

00:53:27.949 --> 00:53:30.510
There could have been something that was on Divided

00:53:30.510 --> 00:53:32.909
Mind, Divided Planet that made it onto Public

00:53:32.909 --> 00:53:35.210
Affection, Death of a Dictionary. There probably

00:53:35.210 --> 00:53:38.929
is, but... Yeah, I'm 52. I can't remember what

00:53:38.929 --> 00:53:43.269
I ate yesterday. I'm still rocking out to Paper

00:53:43.269 --> 00:53:45.789
Flowers, dude. I fucking love that song. Come

00:53:45.789 --> 00:53:49.630
on, dude. And you guys are how young when that

00:53:49.630 --> 00:53:51.610
music's coming out from Death of a Dictionary?

00:53:52.530 --> 00:53:54.250
We recorded Death of a Dictionary our senior

00:53:54.250 --> 00:53:58.949
year in high school, so we were 17, 18. I turned

00:53:58.949 --> 00:54:01.989
18 that summer, so I was 17. That's awesome.

00:54:02.460 --> 00:54:05.159
Yeah, man. Like that's fucking crazy that you

00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:08.099
guys, that and mental jewelry so young. It's

00:54:08.099 --> 00:54:12.099
like profound music, profound lyrics. The music

00:54:12.099 --> 00:54:15.719
is next level. It's like, it's, it's impressive

00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:18.780
to be that young. And you know, when music was

00:54:18.780 --> 00:54:20.360
changing at the time, cause like you said, it

00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:22.239
was a lot of hair bands and stuff like that.

00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.760
And you guys were kind of into the new wave people,

00:54:24.820 --> 00:54:28.820
but your sound is totally unique and, and blended

00:54:28.820 --> 00:54:31.719
so well with the nineties at that time. It's

00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:36.110
like, How the fuck did you guys do it is almost

00:54:36.110 --> 00:54:41.929
my question. Well, I mean, being isolated in

00:54:41.929 --> 00:54:45.650
York with no real local music scene, we just

00:54:45.650 --> 00:54:49.869
were kind of on our own to develop what we thought

00:54:49.869 --> 00:54:53.449
was cool. Like I said, we were listening to Cure

00:54:53.449 --> 00:54:59.090
and The Smiths and NXS and U2 and Psychedelic

00:54:59.090 --> 00:55:02.340
Furs and Modern English. yeah that's kind of

00:55:02.340 --> 00:55:04.920
i mean i guess that's i think a lot of it's a

00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.599
lot of our early sounds rem and youtube kind

00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.179
of and like you when you manually guitars like

00:55:10.179 --> 00:55:12.900
rem and stuff and yeah what's that when you mentioned

00:55:12.900 --> 00:55:15.260
in excess too that's i was like oh i could see

00:55:15.260 --> 00:55:18.940
that as a big influence too yeah um yeah so it's

00:55:18.940 --> 00:55:21.900
yeah it's i mean i don't know we just strove

00:55:21.900 --> 00:55:23.420
to do something different like we wanted to be

00:55:23.420 --> 00:55:25.340
different we wanted to sound different and do

00:55:25.340 --> 00:55:28.510
our own thing so Yeah, that's what I can get

00:55:28.510 --> 00:55:29.929
out of that, too. I mean, all those bands you

00:55:29.929 --> 00:55:31.550
mentioned, you know, some of those have more

00:55:31.550 --> 00:55:33.489
of, like, the 80s synth kind of vibe and pop,

00:55:33.590 --> 00:55:34.849
and you guys definitely took it a little bit

00:55:34.849 --> 00:55:36.869
more of a rock vibe, like an alt -rock kind of

00:55:36.869 --> 00:55:39.590
vibe. You know, like, when I think of 90s rock,

00:55:39.690 --> 00:55:42.510
I think of that style, you know? Well, we also

00:55:42.510 --> 00:55:44.869
didn't, like, we loved those bands, but we also

00:55:44.869 --> 00:55:47.849
didn't like the electronic music. I mean, we

00:55:47.849 --> 00:55:49.550
liked Depeche Mode and stuff, but we were like,

00:55:49.630 --> 00:55:52.280
eh, we want to be, like, a rock band. Yeah. We

00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:54.300
didn't want to be hair metal. We're like, fuck

00:55:54.300 --> 00:55:56.420
hair metal. You know, we don't want to be that.

00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.480
Not overproduced. Like that was the key to you

00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:01.699
guys. It wasn't overproduced. You could hear

00:56:01.699 --> 00:56:03.900
what you guys are doing in that room, you know,

00:56:03.900 --> 00:56:06.639
and it came across. Yeah. And that's, we wanted

00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:11.119
to be authentic. Like we, you know, I mean, we

00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:13.179
were super authentic. Like we would, we would

00:56:13.179 --> 00:56:15.539
wear onto stage where we were wearing, you know,

00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:17.760
we were on tour. We're like, you know, whatever

00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:20.559
I wore over that day, I wore on stage. Yeah.

00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:23.719
That's awesome. We didn't have like stage gear.

00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:25.300
It was like, fuck it. We're in our, whatever

00:56:25.300 --> 00:56:27.739
we're wearing right now on stage and barefoot

00:56:27.739 --> 00:56:31.260
and barefoot. Yes, sir. That's the way to be,

00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:33.300
man. Be, be authentically yourself. And then

00:56:33.300 --> 00:56:35.420
the fans that come along, they're going to, they're

00:56:35.420 --> 00:56:37.119
going to love you for you. So you got, you guys

00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:42.230
did it right. The, um, absolutely. And then you

00:56:42.230 --> 00:56:45.670
guys go from doing all that. And then you're

00:56:45.670 --> 00:56:48.489
kind of in a bubble, it seems. Like you're doing

00:56:48.489 --> 00:56:50.730
your crazy mental jewelry tour and stuff like

00:56:50.730 --> 00:56:53.030
that. You put out Throwing Copper. The shows

00:56:53.030 --> 00:56:55.929
start to get bigger. And then, you know, you

00:56:55.929 --> 00:56:58.849
probably didn't realize how big your fan base

00:56:58.849 --> 00:57:01.869
was until you kind of got off tour and started

00:57:01.869 --> 00:57:04.349
to look around and shit. Because, you know, again,

00:57:04.429 --> 00:57:07.690
it wasn't an overnight success. But once you

00:57:07.690 --> 00:57:10.269
guys started to get it, it pretty rapidly started

00:57:10.269 --> 00:57:14.409
to take off. The first time I realized how big

00:57:14.409 --> 00:57:21.170
we were is when the 95 Christmas, there's my

00:57:21.170 --> 00:57:24.030
mom's cousin's house. Christmas Eve, everyone

00:57:24.030 --> 00:57:26.670
goes there in the family. We still do this to

00:57:26.670 --> 00:57:32.150
this day. Bob and Judy, what's up? So the Christmas

00:57:32.150 --> 00:57:36.429
of 95, we came off tour. I think we ended in

00:57:36.429 --> 00:57:39.449
October and we were just fucking exhausted. We

00:57:39.449 --> 00:57:42.110
toured for 18 months for Thor and Copper. and

00:57:42.110 --> 00:57:44.150
we ended in the spectrum in philly we sold it

00:57:44.150 --> 00:57:48.230
out which is like you know the pinnacle of the

00:57:48.230 --> 00:57:50.690
local music like if you played in the spectrum

00:57:50.690 --> 00:57:52.909
like you were a big band we did it that year

00:57:52.909 --> 00:57:55.030
but we were so fucking tired from being on the

00:57:55.030 --> 00:57:56.650
road we're just like great whatever fucking play

00:57:56.650 --> 00:57:59.170
the show we gotta go home it's just kind of you

00:57:59.170 --> 00:58:01.349
know i look back and like kind of didn't relish

00:58:01.349 --> 00:58:04.269
it enough but anyway so i'm home for christmas

00:58:04.269 --> 00:58:09.030
and i go to bob and judy's house and i get cornered

00:58:09.030 --> 00:58:11.590
by all my cousins and their friends in one of

00:58:11.590 --> 00:58:14.269
the back bedrooms i'm just like oh shit okay

00:58:14.269 --> 00:58:18.570
now i realize what happened yes that's when i

00:58:18.570 --> 00:58:20.829
that's when it dawned on me i was like oh fuck

00:58:20.829 --> 00:58:25.590
i'm yeah okay well i'm not big holy shit that's

00:58:25.590 --> 00:58:28.110
like all my cousins i've seen every year at that

00:58:28.110 --> 00:58:30.849
christmas party we're like and their friends

00:58:30.849 --> 00:58:34.050
are with them it's like okay thank you sorry

00:58:34.050 --> 00:58:37.050
i just want to go have a cookie with my mom right

00:58:37.050 --> 00:58:40.510
and a ham sandwich and you were you were a lot

00:58:40.510 --> 00:58:43.949
uh more shy back then too so you know you probably

00:58:43.949 --> 00:58:46.929
were almost embarrassed by it or something like

00:58:46.929 --> 00:58:50.190
it you know it probably felt like holy shit like

00:58:50.190 --> 00:58:52.329
this is this is crazy you didn't you didn't expect

00:58:52.329 --> 00:58:55.869
it yeah yeah oh absolutely i just even to this

00:58:55.869 --> 00:58:58.710
day if i'm rarely rarely rarely am i recognized

00:58:58.710 --> 00:59:01.170
on the street like out of context by someone

00:59:01.170 --> 00:59:04.639
even when that happens i'm just like Who are

00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:08.579
you looking at? Oh, it's me. That's right. Oh,

00:59:08.619 --> 00:59:12.860
okay. Cool. Thanks. That's cool, man. Yeah, I

00:59:12.860 --> 00:59:15.059
mean, I know Chad signed a bunch of stuff for

00:59:15.059 --> 00:59:18.119
us too, and this is probably a good platform

00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:19.780
to announce. We haven't announced it yet, but

00:59:19.780 --> 00:59:22.360
the Hall of Fame is opening a physical location

00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:25.750
in Hershey, Pennsylvania. so we got a lot of

00:59:25.750 --> 00:59:27.809
stuff signed from live and all the bands that

00:59:27.809 --> 00:59:29.949
we've mentioned it more and uh you know it's

00:59:29.949 --> 00:59:32.829
tongue on the walls in there and uh it's awesome

00:59:32.829 --> 00:59:36.840
we have a platinum record of lives and it's framed

00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:40.300
you have a throwing copper album that's uh you

00:59:40.300 --> 00:59:42.079
know and some of those public affection affection

00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:43.780
things some of the fans mentioned in the comments

00:59:43.780 --> 00:59:45.739
too you know that it's all about the history

00:59:45.739 --> 00:59:48.659
of the bands that made it um so you know having

00:59:48.659 --> 00:59:50.539
all those kind of relics of the ball on the walls

00:59:50.539 --> 00:59:53.280
our goal and it's it's opening up next friday

00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:58.480
march 8th actually so yeah and uh excellent come

00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.519
check it out for sure i definitely would love

01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:04.309
to come check it out as well For the people who

01:00:04.309 --> 01:00:09.090
didn't hear it, was it CPMHOF .com? That's right.

01:00:09.190 --> 01:00:10.889
Yeah, a lot of letters there. But yeah, it's

01:00:10.889 --> 01:00:14.170
the acronym for Central Pennsylvania Music Hall

01:00:14.170 --> 01:00:18.550
of Fame, CPMHOF .com. Check that place out, guys.

01:00:18.869 --> 01:00:21.030
You know we do it here, Brandon. We normally

01:00:21.030 --> 01:00:23.369
go a little bit longer. But again, I got to make

01:00:23.369 --> 01:00:25.510
my way over there. But you were great to have

01:00:25.510 --> 01:00:27.769
on, dude. I want to have you on again. Want people

01:00:27.769 --> 01:00:31.429
to check out the physical location when it opens

01:00:31.429 --> 01:00:33.820
up. And yeah, we'll have you on again. Maybe

01:00:33.820 --> 01:00:36.539
before the, this upcoming ceremony, we'll talk

01:00:36.539 --> 01:00:39.119
about the inductees and all that stuff and we'll

01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:42.059
shoot it up. Anything you want to let the audience

01:00:42.059 --> 01:00:44.619
know where they could, I know we did the website,

01:00:44.659 --> 01:00:46.460
but is there anything else you want to tell them

01:00:46.460 --> 01:00:49.280
about social media wise or anything? Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:52.420
CPM HOF, same acronym on Facebook, Instagram,

01:00:52.579 --> 01:00:55.380
Twitter, you name it. We actually just released

01:00:55.380 --> 01:00:58.710
a awesome youth cover of Baba O 'Reilly. past

01:00:58.710 --> 01:01:00.750
couple of months. So you can look that up as

01:01:00.750 --> 01:01:03.190
the Central Pennsylvania Youth All -Star Band.

01:01:03.349 --> 01:01:06.170
That's also everywhere you stream music. I guarantee

01:01:06.170 --> 01:01:07.769
you, you're going to be shocked at how good it

01:01:07.769 --> 01:01:12.250
is. It's all kids ages 14 to 18 doing all the

01:01:12.250 --> 01:01:14.349
vocals and all the instrumentation. Nothing is

01:01:14.349 --> 01:01:17.650
added. So check that out. And then, yeah, our

01:01:17.650 --> 01:01:19.730
ceremony is coming up. It is Thursday, March

01:01:19.730 --> 01:01:23.289
28th in Hershey, Pennsylvania. And this year,

01:01:23.349 --> 01:01:26.610
headlining act will be Fuel. So we're excited

01:01:26.610 --> 01:01:30.539
to have them in -house too. I saw Fuel and Live

01:01:30.539 --> 01:01:33.000
on the same bill, by the way. I believe this

01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:37.440
was in 2001. I think it was at the Spectrum,

01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:41.519
but it was like a Y100 Fest, I believe. And Live

01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:45.159
was the closer. Fuel was there. And a bunch of

01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:47.239
great bands. And then Live came out and closed

01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:49.739
it and killed it. Yeah, we shared management

01:01:49.739 --> 01:01:52.639
with Fuel for a little while. Managed by David

01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:56.519
Sestek, who managed us for... Nice. Very cool.

01:01:57.019 --> 01:01:58.699
Well, again, Brandon, thank you. Thank you so

01:01:58.699 --> 01:02:00.179
much for coming on, dude. We will have you on

01:02:00.179 --> 01:02:01.659
again, man. It's been, it's been our pleasure

01:02:01.659 --> 01:02:04.519
to speak to you. Thanks so much, John Chad. Appreciate

01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:09.960
it guys. Thank you, man. All right. Brandon Valentine

01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:12.900
with the central Pennsylvania music hall of fame.

01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:14.920
Again, thank you for coming on. Thank you for

01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:18.260
all you do. He's doing a lot of cool stuff out

01:02:18.260 --> 01:02:21.579
there and giving back to the community nonprofit.

01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:24.380
So that that's go support them, ladies and gentlemen.

01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:28.980
And. You guys get the, uh, you get to see us

01:02:28.980 --> 01:02:31.139
twice in one day. We're doing a double pod today.

01:02:31.260 --> 01:02:34.360
I'll be making my way down to visit Chad. And

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we're going to do that live too. Uh, I don't

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know. I guess we'll see how everything works.

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And if we can as well, you can record and put

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it out later. Yeah. Yeah. Especially since we're

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cracking a couple, we might want to, uh, edit

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some stupid shit that I say out, you know, um,

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say some stupid shit. Who knows? There you go.

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There you go. You know us. We are putting the

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shit in bullshit. So that's how we do it, ladies

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and gentlemen. Thank you guys for coming on this

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ride. We got plenty more shit in store for you.

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And we'll see you possibly in a couple hours

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or possibly release it in a bit. So peace out,

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ladies and gentlemen. Thanks, everyone. Take

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care. I'll see you soon. Yeah. Let me stop that.