The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 034 - Lena Hedonista

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Preparing. Got it. Got it. Setting it up. And.

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And we are lively. Ladies and gentlemen, once

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again, once again, show 30 back to talk some

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more bullshit about things. Yes. And, and give

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a, we're going to come with facts and fucking

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real shit, but people, you could call it lies

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and, and, you know, don't do any research, but

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just call us liars. I love it. Yes. It's great.

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Don't look up anything, but everyone else is

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lying to you except for the mainstream media

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and the government. Got it. Okay. Yeah, man.

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Sure. That's been proven wrong so many frigging

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times. It's ridiculous. I just saw Donald Trump

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Jr. He put out a video. He was talking about,

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of course, his dad and all the bullshit going

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on with that fucking case. But he was saying

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that conspiracy theories used to be six months

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until you found out the actual truth. And that

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was like six weeks and then six days. And now

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it's about six hours until the conspiracy theory

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comes true. And debunk it. Okay. That was like

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Biden, like after he pulled out of Afghanistan

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so fucking shittily. And then a reporter was

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asking about it four days ago. And he's like,

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that was four days ago. Like, what? Like, why

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are you? Oh, right. Yes. Four days after the

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thing. He's like, yeah, that's four days ago.

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Like, oh, OK. I guess it's not just like the

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most major defeat of the U .S. fucking army.

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military forces ever you've had to pull out and

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withdraw and give the whole thing back to the

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taliban no big deal it's four days ago okay no

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biggie 13 marines died on my fucking watch i

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don't care it's four days ago right oh you're

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asking me about the border being open that was

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three years ago we don't care yet but sir they're

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still flooding in like crazy and you know they're

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becoming violent well that was only three days

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ago so fucking no worry yesterday's news like

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come on yeah John Kennedy posted some Haitian

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illegal immigrant used Joe Biden's app, whatever

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he made for his legal... He came in here illegally,

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murdered two people, doesn't have a work visa,

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nothing, just came on in, murdered a couple of

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U .S. citizens, and he's just, you know, hanging

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out. Fuck it. Who cares? It's collateral damage.

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I guess that's okay, dude. So what do we do to

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get on this bandwagon? Do we go to one of these...

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countries and just like don't once we get there

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just throw away our passport and then get on

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that app come here and we could then commit crimes

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and fucking do whatever and we're just a -okay

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we don't well the big problem is that we're white

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so you're gonna have a problem with that and

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i can't do blackface i'll get in trouble right

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and you speak english so you cannot identify

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as an illegal immigrant You're not the right

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color. Sorry. Right. Yet. But I'm sure someday

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we're going to be able to identify any way we

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want. Yeah. And you speak English, so you can't

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leave, give up your passport, come back and get

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all the freebies they've given out. They're not

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going to do that for you. Sorry. Amazing. Amazing.

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Let the audience know. So we had a really fun

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Instagram live only show yesterday that we got.

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a bunch of audience interaction with, and there

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was a lot of great questions asked to Chad and

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myself, a lot to chat about live and some old

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school stuff, some other things. People from

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Australia wanted to come down and play some drums

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over there. So it was a fun show. For those who

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don't watch us on Instagram or catch us on there,

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go there. We do it a couple times per month,

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man. So fun, fun, fun. You guys could join. We're

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kind of averaging once a week now, huh? Yeah.

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Yeah. It's harder when I have my kids because

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they'd be running around in my face. That might

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be funny, though. Audience might like that shit.

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Well, my wife and I, or my ex -wife, excuse me,

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and I, we try to keep the kids off of social

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media. True. We don't let the school put them

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on social media. I put them up a couple of times,

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but I generally don't do it because... Yeah.

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Weirdos up. Yeah, I trip out on big celebrities

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that put their kids on social media. I'm like,

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what? Are you just... Why? Yeah. Why do you want

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everybody in the world to know what your kids

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look like? I guess the Kardashians like made

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it normal for like people to know every little

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thing about, I guess like it just like with social

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media in general, like it just seems to like

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back in the day, like if you had a favorite celebrity

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actor, musician, whatever it was like, you had

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to go to magazines, watch some interviews, but

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like now it's like, every little thing on this

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person is online and just everybody's consumption.

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Yeah. I have respect for the ones that don't

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do that. It's like, yeah, you know, I mean, I'm

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talking like the major, major stars, like they,

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they don't, they don't need to do it. Right.

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Like Bobby De Niro, even though he sucks for

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most shit, I don't think he's on social media

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or I wouldn't get it. So he has a vaccine injured

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child, child vaccine, not COVID. And he was,

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He's been vocal about it, but then he's gotten

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beaten down about it, too. So it's interesting

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that he's so fucking Trump deranged. It's wild,

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man. He was on Bill Maher saying that if Trump

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gets elected, he's going to come after me. It's

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like, what are you talking about? Right. It's

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so fucking funny, man. Oh, guess who just texted

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me? Bobby, buddy. Anyway. Mr. Bobby, is he watching

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the show? Hey, Bobby. Yeah, I think he is. Hi,

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Bobby. Bobby's World. We're going to do it without

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you today. Send info. Oh, my God, this kid. I

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sent it to his Facebook. But, yeah, Bobby, don't

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worry. I'll send it to you now while we're live

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on the show, even though I already sent it to

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you. I don't have enough shit on our plate. Bobby!

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Holy test. Got to love that kid, because if not,

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I would not have to get a haircut, Chad. I would

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pull it all out. and uh when's the haircut coming

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man i know does that show you that like i'm just

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like so crazy busy that i can't even get a haircut

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oh is that what it is or are you like a chick

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and you're afraid to cut it off it's both how

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dare you call me out on this live I told you

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though, I've had dreams where I cut it off and

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then I wake up and I'm like, I check to see if

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it's there and I'm like upset that I had cut

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it off, but I'll get over it, dude. It's just,

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it's fucking too long. Two summers coming up,

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going to be too hot. Right. I like some women

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with short hair. Some of them look frigging hot

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with short hair. Yeah. Some do, some don't, but

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it's interesting when you see it. Because to

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me, it's like they've cast off like social norms

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and like, fuck it. Like I'm just cutting my hair

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short. And some of them are really beautiful

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with it, but this is my tea. Well, you know,

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it is, you're right about that. Some of them

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are, but it's like, they gotta be hot as fuck

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in the face to pull that off. You know, it's

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like a chick who's a seven and then cuts her

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hair probably can't pull it off. You're like,

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Oh shit, you just went down to a five lady. What'd

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you do? But a 10, a nine, you know, they do it.

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And you're like, wow, this really accents her

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fucking eyes. And you know, There was a UFC fighter,

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Rose Namajunas, or Namagunas, I think it's Namajunas,

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but she started off, she had long hair, beautiful

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girl, and then just shaved it, and still gorgeous,

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dude. Dude, if I was a woman UFC fighter, I'd

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shave all my hair off to fucking go fight, so

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it wasn't something that was getting in my way

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or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, because she was, I think

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that's what it was. She was like, I don't care

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about my looks or anything like that. It's like,

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this is what's more beneficial for me as a fighter.

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So she was like, boom, right away. Yeah, women

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fighters are interesting. That's an interesting

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breed of woman, man. Totally. In a good way,

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but like, talk about, you know, just, I mean,

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some of them go out there and get the shit kicked

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out of them. It's wild, man. Well, of course,

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now they're letting guys in, so it's fucking

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crazy. and you know it was crazy dude like when

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the girls league first started off um you know

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uh coming out like ronda rousey was the big fighter

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and she was like a big judo chick so it's like

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the fights weren't uh like too violent or or

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like bloody but now some of these fights are

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like more bloody than the guys fights like they're

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going at it yeah it's cool speaking of that you

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know biden just came out and they're trying to

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change title nine to allow trans kids to participate

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in sports like now if your school if your school

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decides that they don't want trans kids trans

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women men to participate in a sport right the

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federal government will sue the school so they

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have they have completely just they're not protecting

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women at all anymore it's just wild to me it's

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insane I'm going to guess, Chad, that this is

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why the Lord didn't allow me to have kids as

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of yet. Because if this was going on and I had

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to deal with it, I would be in jail for fucking

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murder for fucking a biological male fighting

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my little daughter. Because I'm hoping my girls

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have not run into it yet. They're 10. So thank

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the nothing wacky like that's happened. And when

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I say wacky, I mean. kids you know trans kids

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or like it's just it's just like if your kid

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is effeminate or if the boy is effeminate and

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thinks thinks he's a girl you know let him dress

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as a girl but don't start giving hormones and

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fucking permanently altering his body until he's

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no longer able to reproduce and when he becomes

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an adult he will probably fucking regret that

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yeah and it's fucked up And there's no other

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country now in the world that's doing this. The

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United States is the last one. Bill Maher pointed

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this out. He's like, everyone wants to follow

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Europe and do what they're doing. It's like all

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the liberals he's talking about. Europe's like,

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fuck no, we're not doing this to kids. Are you

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crazy? This is insane. To transition kids, permanently

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alter their bodies, cut off their boobs or their

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dick or whatever they're doing. They're puberty

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blockers. They are basically castrating these

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people. and and making them sterile how do you

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think that's going to work out in life form you

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know many before they're 18 to even make a decision

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about it right you can't drink can't smoke can't

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get a tattoo but you can change your gender what

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the fuck what how are we living through this

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insanity it's just it's it's it's it's wild man

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it's wild what's going on in this fucking world

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Yeah, it's insane. Like, do you know how many

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bad outfit -like style choices I had as a kid

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when I was able to start picking out my clothes

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and stuff? Right. Yeah. You know, thank God I

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didn't have all this shit in my brain. Like,

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oh, well, maybe you're a girl and you want to

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cut off your dick because you're so easily led

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into, like, you know, I saw other people wearing

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these stupid styles. Let me try it out. You know

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what I'm saying? And it's being done by adults.

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We should know better. Yeah. uh yeah it's wow

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it's i mean and as i always say trans people

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are great do your thing i have no problem with

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you 18 years old go do whatever the you want

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to your body great absolutely dress how you want

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love who you want bam bam bam just leave the

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kids alone bill maher he's he's i mean bill maher

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it's funny i keep quoting him because it's wild

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that he is kind of awake he's sort of awake on

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that many things but he was talking about how

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uh drag queen story hour for kids is not appropriate.

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And he doesn't even have kids. He's like, why

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is a five -year -old tipping a man dressed as

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a woman in front of a sign that says it's not

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going to lick itself? Right. Hey now. I cannot

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hear you. You might have to click the unmute

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button. Is it Bluetooth or something? I know

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you're on your phone. Yeah. Keep it going. We'll

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keep it talking. Oh, there you go. It says iPhone

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connecting to audio. So for the audience out

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there, this is Lina Hidenista, an OnlyFans model

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and social media influencer. She's our guest

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now, and she only has about 20 minutes. So if

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you see her, if we have to cut this short, you'll

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know why. Oh, look who's here, Chad. Bobby's

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also now. Bobby. It's coming. Bobby. Just in

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time for Lina, Bobby. Is that how it's working?

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Yep. When it rains, it pours. Lena, can you hear

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me? Maybe it's your iPhone. It would have been

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gracious too without technical difficulties,

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right, Chad? That's right. Hello? What's up,

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Bobby? Please mute yourself. We're live, dude.

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You should know this by now. All right. Love

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that. Thank you. Love you, Bobby. Love you, Bobby,

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so much. uh let me see if i could like control

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her thing so uh ask to start video and then uh

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there's that but yeah so lena i'm not like do

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you have us on through bluetooth in your car

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uh is it just through your phone because it's

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not showing me a uh a yes now i can oh there

00:14:16.769 --> 00:14:21.210
we go guys, and then they wouldn't give me audio.

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I'm so sorry. I'm sorry about that. I'll let

00:14:25.269 --> 00:14:27.669
you take care of that later if you know what

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I mean. So I was letting the audience know, Lena,

00:14:31.990 --> 00:14:34.610
that you had like 20 minutes. I don't know what

00:14:34.610 --> 00:14:36.409
this put us at, so if you need to jet because

00:14:36.409 --> 00:14:37.870
you're in the middle of a shoot, we'll understand.

00:14:37.889 --> 00:14:40.409
We can do the 20. We're all right. All righty.

00:14:41.210 --> 00:14:43.610
So what up, girl? That's Chad. I'm sure you know.

00:14:44.710 --> 00:14:48.149
Nice to meet you, Lena. How are you? Hi. Nice

00:14:48.149 --> 00:14:51.799
to see you. So we had a question for you. One,

00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:55.539
do you want to let the audience know your OnlyFans

00:14:55.539 --> 00:14:58.940
page so they can go check you out? Yeah, sure.

00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:03.259
I mean, the more the merrier. Lena Hedonista,

00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:07.080
H -E -D -O -N -I -S -T -A. Okay, good. I spelled

00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.200
it right. It's just me. It's just me. I'm a one

00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:15.679
-woman band. Oh. We have it listed good in our

00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:19.899
title then. Lena, I was talking to people. They

00:15:19.899 --> 00:15:22.080
kind of were wondering, like, what goes on on

00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.860
your OnlyFans channel? Not on OnlyFans in general,

00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:29.120
but are you banging people? Are you doing solo

00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:33.460
shows? What do we do on there? It's definitely

00:15:33.460 --> 00:15:37.019
a one -woman band, so it's just me. Picture bundles,

00:15:37.019 --> 00:15:42.960
videos of me either by myself or with silicone

00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:46.240
co -stars, if you will. I also like to do...

00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:50.059
cosplay um i wish i could do more of it i'm i'm

00:15:50.059 --> 00:15:51.860
trying to do more i'm actually trying to transition

00:15:51.860 --> 00:15:54.620
my page into a vip and just let it all hang out

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charge a little bit more months but um i've done

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like naughty maid bad secretary barbie gone wild

00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:05.919
yeah i like cosplay i like to dress up i'm i

00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:08.519
was born on halloween so you know oh nice do

00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:11.679
you do like full wigs and all that stuff okay

00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.509
so I got razed so hard for this, but I did it

00:16:15.509 --> 00:16:17.710
on purpose. I bought this cheap blonde Amazon

00:16:17.710 --> 00:16:19.769
wig for Barbie gone wild. Cause it was supposed

00:16:19.769 --> 00:16:21.929
to be like, and I'm allowed to say this. I grew

00:16:21.929 --> 00:16:25.149
up in a trailer. So nobody gets after, um, trailer

00:16:25.149 --> 00:16:28.309
trash Barbie basically. So I got this really

00:16:28.309 --> 00:16:32.850
gaudy cheap, like $15. Looks like a dead animal.

00:16:33.129 --> 00:16:35.429
Like somebody died a dead animal, like on top

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of my head and nobody would let me live it down.

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But I was like, people it's called comedy. Look

00:16:40.210 --> 00:16:44.320
it up. Yes. Exactly. If anybody wants to buy

00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:46.259
me an expensive wig, they can buy me, like, a

00:16:46.259 --> 00:16:48.700
$200 wig. I'm good. You can buy it for me anytime.

00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.440
Some of them are very expensive. What do they

00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.659
call the gentlemen that take care of the ladies

00:16:55.659 --> 00:16:58.340
like that? And sugar daddies. Sugar daddies,

00:16:58.340 --> 00:17:02.159
if you're out there. Well, I mean, I'm ready

00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.000
to start polling and, like, asking people what

00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:06.680
kind of new toys they want me to get. My toys

00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:09.900
died. oh my goodness my co -stars shit the bed

00:17:09.900 --> 00:17:13.559
they died so i need to get new co -stars and

00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:16.559
so i'm going to be putting up a post of my potential

00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:19.559
co -stars if you will and i'm gonna ask anybody

00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:21.579
like to vote on which one is tipped by which

00:17:21.579 --> 00:17:25.339
one you want me to get and then hold that whole

00:17:25.339 --> 00:17:27.099
pool of money i'll use to get whatever one gets

00:17:27.099 --> 00:17:30.220
the most now your co -stars that died do they

00:17:30.220 --> 00:17:32.940
just need new batteries or is it like you wore

00:17:32.940 --> 00:17:35.940
the fucking motor out because uh i mean And I

00:17:35.940 --> 00:17:38.119
think I wore them puppies out. I don't know.

00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:40.400
There was a lot of hard work, okay? I'm not gonna

00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:43.220
lie. Hardest working bitch in the room. HBIC,

00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:45.160
head, bitch, and turd. I was gonna say, you're

00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.640
like a long -term tester for the toys, huh? Yeah,

00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.039
probably, because I did it so... I only had the

00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:56.779
OnlyFans since last August. And it was like...

00:17:57.740 --> 00:17:59.380
no frame of reference some of these things you

00:17:59.380 --> 00:18:01.519
really don't have the foresight for you have

00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:05.019
to learn as you go along and i learned that the

00:18:05.019 --> 00:18:07.759
half -life of toys on amazon is really not that

00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:10.500
long because it is a rechargeable one it's like

00:18:10.500 --> 00:18:12.420
the wireless where you plug it where it's got

00:18:12.420 --> 00:18:15.339
like the little magnetic and um and honestly

00:18:15.339 --> 00:18:18.000
they just don't live up to their expectations

00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:21.240
they can't hang with me okay They can't hang

00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:24.240
with your stuff. They don't last, man. They're

00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:26.660
out. They're passe. I need new co -stars. Is

00:18:26.660 --> 00:18:29.019
there like a professional band, a brand, like

00:18:29.019 --> 00:18:32.039
a pro series for these things? I mean, maybe,

00:18:32.099 --> 00:18:34.339
but I think I was like dipping my toe in the

00:18:34.339 --> 00:18:37.579
OnlyFans pool. And so up front, there just wasn't

00:18:37.579 --> 00:18:40.859
this huge unmasked investment. As I went along

00:18:40.859 --> 00:18:42.599
and I figured out the things that I wanted and

00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:45.519
needed. It's like creating a grocery list of

00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:48.079
naughty shit. And that's what I do. I go, look,

00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:50.440
okay, I need a tripod. I just got like two wireless

00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:52.279
mics I haven't tried out because I'm like a techno

00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:54.799
tard. But like you just start thinking of all

00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:56.460
these things that you need and like co -stars,

00:18:56.460 --> 00:18:59.420
which is just not in the forefront of my mind.

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And then I'm like, bitch, what are you going

00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:06.460
to do on this page? It's you. I'm not very creative.

00:19:07.109 --> 00:19:09.529
It sounds like you're evolving the OnlyFans from

00:19:09.529 --> 00:19:11.910
how you started it to kind of how you're working

00:19:11.910 --> 00:19:14.369
it, which is kind of cool. There's a metamorphosis.

00:19:14.549 --> 00:19:17.450
Yes, there is a metamorphosis for sure. Like

00:19:17.450 --> 00:19:20.470
anything. Do you have a manager or anything?

00:19:20.569 --> 00:19:23.210
Because I've heard some girls, like maybe the

00:19:23.210 --> 00:19:26.269
bigger ones, like have managers and do all the

00:19:26.269 --> 00:19:29.680
posts for them and stuff. make the content. I

00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:31.920
edit the content. I do all of the posts. I answer

00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:34.240
everything. If you're talking to me, you're talking

00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:36.160
to me. You're not talking to somebody on behalf

00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:39.599
of me. You're actually talking to Lena. I make

00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.700
it very personal, but it is a lot of work. It's

00:19:42.700 --> 00:19:45.319
a lot. And then I think some of those women maybe

00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:48.339
catch a break mentally. from not dealing with,

00:19:48.460 --> 00:19:50.339
you know, it's like almost like customer service.

00:19:50.380 --> 00:19:52.599
So I work in customer service. So you're dealing

00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:54.099
with people, you have like the good, the bad,

00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:56.299
the ugly, like the best of people, the worst

00:19:56.299 --> 00:20:01.319
and the crazy. So I get all of it. What's the,

00:20:01.460 --> 00:20:04.180
have any wacky fans, I guess they would call

00:20:04.180 --> 00:20:06.019
them on only fans. Like, is there like a wacky,

00:20:06.019 --> 00:20:07.980
I mean, don't mention names or anything, but

00:20:07.980 --> 00:20:10.839
I would never give anybody away because different

00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:12.720
strokes for different folks. And I respect people's

00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:15.779
privacy and right to entertainment. Good to know

00:20:15.779 --> 00:20:17.720
for what I'm on here. I'm a professional, okay?

00:20:18.299 --> 00:20:21.660
But I will say, if you want to know, for example,

00:20:21.660 --> 00:20:24.779
some of the more off -the -chart, outlier kind

00:20:24.779 --> 00:20:27.200
of things, there is one person that comes to

00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:30.819
mind, and he got banned from OnlyFans. Not me.

00:20:31.579 --> 00:20:35.000
He was acting like really out of pocket, according

00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:37.200
to OnlyFans, which I think is a little tyrannical.

00:20:37.380 --> 00:20:39.900
They literally watch all your stuff, so I'm like

00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:44.859
on parade. But this guy, he basically... His

00:20:44.859 --> 00:20:47.960
kink was you and this is not like this person

00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:49.559
out of the ordinary But some of the stuff he

00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:51.900
did was a little out there for me. Anyway, my

00:20:51.900 --> 00:20:54.819
taste. Um, he liked to be demeaned He liked to

00:20:54.819 --> 00:20:56.819
be put down and I consider myself a nice person

00:20:56.819 --> 00:20:59.579
but I could be a bitch if I have to be and if

00:20:59.579 --> 00:21:02.759
it's getting somebody in the mood then I'm I'm

00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:05.059
here to support you, you know within reason so

00:21:05.059 --> 00:21:09.420
he wanted me to insult him he would Send me videos

00:21:09.420 --> 00:21:11.779
of him, and I'm like, okay, I can't sit around

00:21:11.779 --> 00:21:13.500
just watching you jerk your gherkin. You have

00:21:13.500 --> 00:21:16.500
to tip. I can't sit here and watch your homemade

00:21:16.500 --> 00:21:20.539
porn all day. I'm one person with a finite amount

00:21:20.539 --> 00:21:23.180
of time. Anyway, he would tip me very well. I

00:21:23.180 --> 00:21:25.480
have nothing bad to say about him. He never disrespected

00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:28.599
me. He used to call me goddess, and he would

00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:31.700
be like, oh, goddess, please look at this video

00:21:31.700 --> 00:21:35.019
of me. tip me and I would watch the video and

00:21:35.019 --> 00:21:37.200
then he would tip me again to make my own video

00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:40.000
back maybe like five minutes and basically like

00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:41.799
I love comedy I want to do stand -up like John

00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:43.480
knows like I would roast the shit out of them

00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:46.480
and and it was never from a bad place but it

00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:49.279
was definitely super rotten and funny and he

00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:50.859
just fucking loved it and he ate it with his

00:21:50.859 --> 00:21:52.539
phone but some of the things he would he would

00:21:52.539 --> 00:21:55.539
show me um I don't know how graphic I can get

00:21:55.539 --> 00:21:59.319
here but like he would his dick in a toilet seat

00:22:00.130 --> 00:22:02.569
Wow, it was hard to watch. Okay, it was just

00:22:02.569 --> 00:22:05.710
violent and that's what I was like If I had a

00:22:05.710 --> 00:22:08.309
day, I just imagine my fit being slammed. I'm

00:22:08.309 --> 00:22:09.609
like, I don't want to go for a mammogram I'm

00:22:09.609 --> 00:22:11.309
like, no, no boo boo. What are you doing? But

00:22:11.309 --> 00:22:14.029
that was the thing then he sent me a video of

00:22:14.029 --> 00:22:16.809
someone shoving and I'm OCD as fuck I don't even

00:22:16.809 --> 00:22:19.269
wear shoes in my house. He sent me a video someone

00:22:19.269 --> 00:22:23.190
shoving a shoe smearing it all over his face

00:22:23.190 --> 00:22:26.069
and it triggered my OCD so badly I had to smoke

00:22:26.069 --> 00:22:30.809
my THC vape. I was so neurotic because I'm so

00:22:30.809 --> 00:22:33.990
neat and clean and then the video back just flowed

00:22:33.990 --> 00:22:36.750
like lava because I had a lot of shit to say

00:22:36.750 --> 00:22:41.230
about how repulsed I legitimately was. Chad,

00:22:41.309 --> 00:22:44.150
what do you chalk that dude's behavior up to?

00:22:44.289 --> 00:22:48.930
My dick hurts if you fucking blow it on the window.

00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:54.099
Like, for him. They hurt. Well, I mean, have

00:22:54.099 --> 00:22:56.619
you ever seen sounding where they put metal rods

00:22:56.619 --> 00:22:59.180
in their dicks? In the pee holes? That's a thing.

00:22:59.339 --> 00:23:00.819
Like, I don't fucking understand it. I mean,

00:23:00.819 --> 00:23:03.240
I know people get suspended from hooks and stuff.

00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:05.700
Like, they're a piece of fucking meat. Yeah,

00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:08.839
I don't know what that is. You know in the universe,

00:23:08.980 --> 00:23:11.279
if it could be thought of, that some crazy motherfucker

00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:14.819
has done it. So I fully believe, full circle,

00:23:14.940 --> 00:23:17.019
that there's a guy out there who hangs from his

00:23:17.019 --> 00:23:20.309
penis. Find the lie. Oh, I would probably venture

00:23:20.309 --> 00:23:24.410
to say that. Yeah. It's like Murphy's Law. I

00:23:24.410 --> 00:23:27.630
don't care to see it, but I'm telling you, that

00:23:27.630 --> 00:23:29.509
guy's out there. Before you got into this, Lena,

00:23:29.529 --> 00:23:31.269
I was going to make a joke, like saying to you,

00:23:31.289 --> 00:23:33.569
like, oh, can you, like, come kick me in my balls,

00:23:33.609 --> 00:23:35.170
like, you know, as a joke. And then you got into

00:23:35.170 --> 00:23:36.490
this, I'm like, my balls. I'm sure there are

00:23:36.490 --> 00:23:38.970
dudes that like that, too. So I consider what

00:23:38.970 --> 00:23:41.930
that guy wanted the online version of a dominatrix.

00:23:42.849 --> 00:23:45.049
Yeah. Oh, absolutely, yes. He wanted to be dominated,

00:23:45.089 --> 00:23:49.240
demeaned, belittled, embarrassed. his mother

00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:53.440
whatever gets your rocks off man yeah his mother

00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:55.779
must have not showed him love or fucking something

00:23:55.779 --> 00:23:59.319
i mean you know i as an empath i try not to get

00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:01.920
into the psychology of it because then you really

00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:04.099
go down a rabbit hole i don't need to know why

00:24:04.099 --> 00:24:07.839
you're a fucking crazy person in bed i only need

00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.160
to know what you like within my boundaries to

00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:13.599
Give it to you. I aim to please, but I always

00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:16.079
maintain that sense of a boundary. I'm never,

00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:18.319
I'm never going to not be me. Like I think some

00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:20.319
people may be where they kind of go down the

00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:22.960
rabbit hole too far is they start selling pieces

00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:25.759
of their consciousness or their comfortability,

00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:28.319
like their boundaries for the almighty dollar.

00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:31.140
And it's just, I'll put it this way. Nothing

00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:33.680
I do in my video is anything I wouldn't be into

00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:38.589
in real life. So, like, there's not, I say, like,

00:24:38.650 --> 00:24:39.869
I would joke around, there's not enough money

00:24:39.869 --> 00:24:41.329
for me to stick anything up my ass. You're on

00:24:41.329 --> 00:24:47.849
the wrong. Sure. So, Bobby coming in fucked her

00:24:47.849 --> 00:24:53.789
up. But, Bobby, stop fucking around, dude. Sorry,

00:24:53.809 --> 00:24:56.450
Lena, let me see. If you could start your video

00:24:56.450 --> 00:24:59.549
again or something, because you're frozen on

00:24:59.549 --> 00:25:01.890
our screen as we were getting to good parts here.

00:25:02.869 --> 00:25:06.589
I don't know if you're in a bad. or if that was

00:25:06.589 --> 00:25:08.369
Bobby coming in that did that. I'm going to blame

00:25:08.369 --> 00:25:11.109
Bobby, Chad. You know, I think that's what we

00:25:11.109 --> 00:25:15.150
got to do here. That's what we do. Yeah. I'm

00:25:15.150 --> 00:25:17.029
going to try and stop your video and see if you

00:25:17.029 --> 00:25:20.990
can restart it. So don't bear with us, please,

00:25:21.069 --> 00:25:23.750
audience out there. As we're getting to the fun

00:25:23.750 --> 00:25:26.250
stuff, of course. I was going to say, like, a

00:25:26.250 --> 00:25:29.170
lot of very successful and very powerful men

00:25:29.170 --> 00:25:32.029
like to be dominated by women. Right. They will

00:25:32.029 --> 00:25:35.740
seek out dominatrixes and, like, you know. because

00:25:35.740 --> 00:25:38.039
they don't have that in their life. No one's

00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.839
telling them what to do, basically. That I could

00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:44.779
get, but slamming your dick in the toilet, I

00:25:44.779 --> 00:25:48.680
don't understand. It's fucking wild. Yes, she's

00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:51.640
back. Yeah, the slamming your dick in the toilet

00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:56.099
is wild. A dirty shoe on your face is wild. Did

00:25:56.099 --> 00:25:57.539
you ever hear that guy that's on Howard Stern?

00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:01.279
He likes women to puke on him? Yes, Jeff the

00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:06.369
Vulture. So, Lena, I'm going on your OnlyFans.

00:26:06.390 --> 00:26:08.490
Chad, we're going to, so, I mean, we might scrap

00:26:08.490 --> 00:26:10.990
this whole The Gracious 2 thing and do The Gracious

00:26:10.990 --> 00:26:15.230
OnlyFans, and I can't believe they get access

00:26:15.230 --> 00:26:18.490
to all her content, the owners of that, and,

00:26:18.509 --> 00:26:20.609
you know, could do that. Like, that seems like

00:26:20.609 --> 00:26:22.549
they shouldn't be able to look at all that, you

00:26:22.549 --> 00:26:25.089
know? Well, I think they monitor it to see, I

00:26:25.089 --> 00:26:26.970
guess, because there are some kind of standards

00:26:26.970 --> 00:26:29.890
on OnlyFans. We can't hear Lena right now, I

00:26:29.890 --> 00:26:34.140
don't think. No, Lena, can you hear us? Lena,

00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:38.559
Lena, Bobina, Banana, Fana, Fofina. Me, Ma, Momina.

00:26:39.180 --> 00:26:44.380
La, la, la, la, Lena. Yeah, no problem. Take

00:26:44.380 --> 00:26:48.599
your time. Take your time. So yeah, normally

00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:50.039
she would have been, for the audience, so they

00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:52.619
know, she would have been set up for this like

00:26:52.619 --> 00:26:55.039
differently, like in her home setup, but she's

00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:57.599
out doing a shoot. So that's why she had to come

00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:00.740
to us on an iPhone. And I figured. Better to

00:27:00.740 --> 00:27:04.299
have this than to not have her on at all because

00:27:04.299 --> 00:27:07.259
we're interested in OnlyFans models and social

00:27:07.259 --> 00:27:11.579
media influencers and all that jazz. Can you

00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:19.480
hear us, Lena? Technical difficulties. Yeah.

00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:23.180
What do you know? Can you hear us? Can you talk?

00:27:25.059 --> 00:27:29.240
Lena? Is this a fake video? Now somebody else

00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:32.099
is... coming into this room is this bobby again

00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:34.859
like from a different now it's like i'm getting

00:27:34.859 --> 00:27:37.359
numbers i'm just gonna admit it and see what's

00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:41.799
going on this show is as it is already so is

00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:43.480
that you lena can we can you can we hear you

00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:48.559
no he can't can't hear dang it oh so i wonder

00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.220
who this is chet some i'm gonna let this person

00:27:51.220 --> 00:27:53.640
in because the only person i've sent this link

00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:57.960
to is um is hey lena i think we can hear you

00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:01.640
now So my phone overheated sitting in the window.

00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:06.759
Oh, my gosh. I'm trying to get this. Oh, my God.

00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.119
Why is it asking me to leave the meeting? Why

00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:10.960
is life so hard today? I'm on the struggle bus.

00:28:11.380 --> 00:28:13.160
Hold on a second here. I'm going to ask you to

00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:14.519
start the video. I think what happened here,

00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:18.099
Lena, is your audio is coming through on a phone

00:28:18.099 --> 00:28:20.500
number and your video is coming through on an

00:28:20.500 --> 00:28:25.740
iPhone. So we're good now. Okay. Oh, my God.

00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:29.460
It's cutting out. Can you see me? Yes, we can

00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:33.220
see you. So my phone was sitting in the window

00:28:33.220 --> 00:28:36.779
and the sun was shining on its back of the back

00:28:36.779 --> 00:28:38.900
of the phone and it just hit the bed. It was

00:28:38.900 --> 00:28:42.579
like too hot. Sorry about that. That's alright.

00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:48.000
iPhones do it. I love that you're in a car sweating

00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.819
for us and you didn't turn on the air and everything.

00:28:49.900 --> 00:28:53.039
Thank you for that. We feel... I didn't originally,

00:28:53.299 --> 00:28:56.059
but now I have the fucking air on because the

00:28:56.059 --> 00:28:58.440
phone was... Everything just got so hot. It's

00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.619
just me, boo -boo. Hey, hey. Hey, now. Everything

00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:04.119
got so hot in here. I was like, what the fuck?

00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:07.240
The hotness is emanating from you. Sorry. I literally

00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:10.359
had to blast my air conditioning and put my phone

00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:13.559
up against it. So it's... Well, Lena, let's get

00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:15.480
serious stuff here. I don't know if you know

00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:19.759
this, but Chad and I are newly, well, I'm really

00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:23.000
newly, but Chad's a single guy as well. And we're

00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.279
down to hang out with OnlyFans ladies. So if

00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:29.440
you want to get some friends together and let

00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.480
them hang out with a rock star and a lonely old

00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:38.000
me. Lonely old me. Got it. I mean, if I had some

00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.380
OnlyFans friends, I have a couple friends, but

00:29:40.380 --> 00:29:43.609
they're not. I'm the only one. How cool. I'm

00:29:43.609 --> 00:29:46.589
the only crazy one with an OS. So like, you know.

00:29:46.769 --> 00:29:48.769
Oh, that was a question I wanted to ask for you,

00:29:48.789 --> 00:29:52.130
Lainey. Like, do you promote your OnlyFans page

00:29:52.130 --> 00:29:55.130
to like people you grew up with and friends like

00:29:55.130 --> 00:29:57.190
that? Or like, are you trying to steer away from

00:29:57.190 --> 00:30:01.730
like friends and family knowing about it? I don't

00:30:01.730 --> 00:30:04.109
hide my life. I made it a point. I told myself

00:30:04.109 --> 00:30:06.609
from the very beginning that when I do a shit,

00:30:06.690 --> 00:30:09.029
I own it and I'm not going to hide my life for

00:30:09.029 --> 00:30:14.880
anybody. I'm a very open, comfortable with myself

00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.019
kind of person. If I have to hide myself, I'm

00:30:18.019 --> 00:30:20.720
not going to do something. But that does bring

00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:23.480
up an interesting point. So I have a Facebook.

00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:25.339
It's not my original Facebook. I call it like

00:30:25.339 --> 00:30:28.059
my burner or my page. And everyone was like,

00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:30.940
don't use Facebook. Well, guess what? A huge

00:30:30.940 --> 00:30:34.180
chunk of business came from Facebook. So fuck

00:30:34.180 --> 00:30:37.480
that terrible advice. Second of all. I did have

00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.420
that hiccup point in the beginning where everybody,

00:30:39.579 --> 00:30:42.220
my name was in everyone's mouth. And I was like

00:30:42.220 --> 00:30:44.660
the Hester Prynne with the scarlet letter. And

00:30:44.660 --> 00:30:47.460
I was like, yo, fuck you guys. Don't look. Know

00:30:47.460 --> 00:30:50.519
what I am. I'm a grown adult. My mother has passed

00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:53.400
away. I have no children, no spouse. I do what

00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:57.140
the fuck I want to do when I want to do it. So

00:30:57.140 --> 00:30:59.079
the way I said to people was, if you want me

00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:01.400
to block you, I'll block you. If you don't want

00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:06.039
to look, don't look. Like, look or don't. So

00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.099
there are some people, though, that just could

00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:11.019
not fucking help themselves. And they just immediately

00:31:11.019 --> 00:31:12.940
got blocked. There was no more conversating.

00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:16.180
There was no more, hey, like, I don't like what

00:31:16.180 --> 00:31:18.920
you're doing. It was just goodbye. You're the

00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.000
weakest link. And they're gone. So I don't generally

00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.880
invite and want to tell everybody that I know

00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:28.480
about it. But I guess to clarify, I don't hide

00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:33.799
a thing about myself. I guess what I was asking

00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.900
is because, again, so I've never been on OnlyFans

00:31:36.900 --> 00:31:40.420
to check it out, but I would if, like, I knew

00:31:40.420 --> 00:31:42.660
somebody I went to high school with was, like,

00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.500
on OnlyFans. Like, I think I would go on and

00:31:45.500 --> 00:31:47.380
subscribe to her channel and see, like, what

00:31:47.380 --> 00:31:50.000
was doing. So I have this suspicion that there

00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.720
are people that, and I'm sorry, my face is so

00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.799
red today, this fucking heat. I do have suspicion.

00:31:57.690 --> 00:32:00.450
thank you i do have suspicion that there are

00:32:00.450 --> 00:32:02.049
some people on there that i don't really know

00:32:02.049 --> 00:32:04.589
whom they are not everybody will put their name

00:32:04.589 --> 00:32:07.589
it might be like whatever character like string

00:32:07.589 --> 00:32:10.130
of characters that only fans has assigned and

00:32:10.130 --> 00:32:12.460
then some people do nicknames Some people put

00:32:12.460 --> 00:32:15.380
their name, which I'm blown the fuck away. I'm

00:32:15.380 --> 00:32:17.980
sorry. Like, if I had an OnlyFans, like, on the

00:32:17.980 --> 00:32:20.819
other end, I'd have some funny, stupid name.

00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.720
I don't think I'd be having my first, middle,

00:32:22.779 --> 00:32:24.819
last name. Like, why don't you just put your

00:32:24.819 --> 00:32:26.680
date of birth, your social security number? Like,

00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:29.339
shit. Yeah, that's pretty wild. But there are

00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:32.839
some people that I, okay. This is the cringiest

00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:35.259
one for me. Uh -oh. Because this is somebody

00:32:35.259 --> 00:32:39.980
that's, like, a family friend. He doesn't live

00:32:39.980 --> 00:32:42.259
here anymore. It was my old chiropractor for

00:32:42.259 --> 00:32:46.599
like 20 years. And super supportive of what I'm

00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:49.680
doing. He's moved out of state, but he still

00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:51.500
sees me on social media and he'll text me, ask

00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:54.279
how I'm doing. This is like when my neck got

00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:56.039
messed up, like the first person that was able

00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.299
to help me. So he became like a family friend.

00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:03.400
And it's very weird. It's very weird for me.

00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.059
I appreciate the support, but it is very strange

00:33:07.059 --> 00:33:11.150
for me. To have someone like that, that has known

00:33:11.150 --> 00:33:16.230
me so long. All of my shit. And getting feedback.

00:33:16.589 --> 00:33:19.450
Getting feedback. I'm putting two and two together.

00:33:19.569 --> 00:33:22.109
You go in for a back crack. Then this guy goes

00:33:22.109 --> 00:33:24.630
on your OnlyFans account and starts slamming

00:33:24.630 --> 00:33:26.470
his dick in the toilet and putting the shoe on

00:33:26.470 --> 00:33:29.829
his face. I got it. I know what it is. You know,

00:33:29.849 --> 00:33:31.930
it's like, who is the bad man? I've never seen

00:33:31.930 --> 00:33:35.029
the two in the same room. That's right. Right.

00:33:35.390 --> 00:33:38.839
I love it. I don't know, man. There's this video

00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:40.920
going around of an Australian OnlyFans chick

00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:42.839
and she was talking about how she figured out

00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:46.759
that her stepdad was watching her and tipping

00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:53.119
her and shit. That's a wrap for me, bro. That's

00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.700
a no for me, dog. That's a no for me. What a

00:33:56.700 --> 00:34:00.819
sort of father, man. He's just supporting his

00:34:00.819 --> 00:34:05.980
stepdaughter. That really is... imitating art,

00:34:06.059 --> 00:34:08.179
when you think about it, it's like Pornhub in

00:34:08.179 --> 00:34:12.440
real life. Yeah. I feel like your stepdad going

00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.360
into a strip club, seeing his daughter on there,

00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.340
and then fucking throwing dollar bills at her.

00:34:17.900 --> 00:34:23.800
Come on, dude. You're fucking weird. That's a

00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:26.940
no for me, dog. Better her than me, man. Better

00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:30.019
her than me, because I would be very tactful,

00:34:30.059 --> 00:34:32.280
but I would be like, I don't... I can't have

00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:34.840
you there. You got to go, bro. You got to go.

00:34:35.219 --> 00:34:37.880
The end of the story was that she wrote him back

00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.579
and confronted him and her and her sister were

00:34:40.579 --> 00:34:42.860
like, we're going to tell mom or you're going

00:34:42.860 --> 00:34:46.340
to tell mom about it. That was the end of the

00:34:46.340 --> 00:34:47.800
story. I was like, ooh, that's fucking crazy.

00:34:48.019 --> 00:34:50.539
That was not a good day in that house. I'm not

00:34:50.539 --> 00:34:53.980
telling mom. I'm going to show my face again.

00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:57.909
That is not like... Pornhub because that's not

00:34:57.909 --> 00:35:00.889
how it would have ended on Pornhub. It would

00:35:00.889 --> 00:35:04.090
not have ended like that. That is the antithesis

00:35:04.090 --> 00:35:08.809
of what it would have been on Pornhub. I know

00:35:08.809 --> 00:35:11.349
you have to jet in a couple minutes or so. Do

00:35:11.349 --> 00:35:13.429
you want to promote some of your other social

00:35:13.429 --> 00:35:15.769
medias? Again, tell the audience you're only

00:35:15.769 --> 00:35:18.190
fans so they could go there, subscribe, check

00:35:18.190 --> 00:35:22.010
her out. I've seen stuff she's posted on Facebook

00:35:22.010 --> 00:35:24.730
that she blurs out, and they're good, folks.

00:35:24.889 --> 00:35:27.650
So if you're fans of nudies and all that stuff,

00:35:27.769 --> 00:35:29.909
I'd go on there and check her out. Meow, meow.

00:35:30.190 --> 00:35:33.610
Do you like cosplay? Do you like cosplay? I do

00:35:33.610 --> 00:35:37.690
appreciate that. So the short answer is Meta

00:35:37.690 --> 00:35:41.150
nuked my Instagram, like two of them, and one

00:35:41.150 --> 00:35:42.489
of them was the Lean Ahead of Me. It's the one

00:35:42.489 --> 00:35:45.090
I guess I was coming in too damn hot. TikTok

00:35:45.090 --> 00:35:47.869
nuked me too. I have to sit down and redo these

00:35:47.869 --> 00:35:51.610
things and behave this time. Bad Lena. Bad girl.

00:35:52.449 --> 00:35:56.510
But I do, the page is Lena Hedonista. And I'm

00:35:56.510 --> 00:35:58.369
not as active, but I need to get back into it.

00:35:58.389 --> 00:36:00.829
The Twitter is Lena, I believe Lena underscore

00:36:00.829 --> 00:36:07.750
Hedonista. Is that Bobby? Do it yourself, Bobby.

00:36:08.750 --> 00:36:12.920
Oh my God. I got to turn my volume down. Eric

00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:14.440
is sitting down. I couldn't hear a one word.

00:36:14.500 --> 00:36:16.780
That was that. I'm sorry. Yes. That wasn't your

00:36:16.780 --> 00:36:20.300
fault. That was our young Bobby who unmuted himself.

00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:24.199
Yes. So Lena, here's what we'll do then. Since

00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:26.659
you got your social medias all over the place

00:36:26.659 --> 00:36:28.480
right now and crazy and you're doing this shoot,

00:36:28.579 --> 00:36:30.920
we're going to have you on again. Once you have

00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:35.079
your, like maybe everything under Lena. I'm going

00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.400
to be a good little girl. I'll work on it. Yeah,

00:36:37.420 --> 00:36:40.480
please. Because we want, we want our audience

00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:43.309
to go there and let us know. What's going on

00:36:43.309 --> 00:36:46.409
on that OnlyFans page? And, you know, maybe,

00:36:46.550 --> 00:36:48.750
I know because you can't, like, save stuff. Maybe

00:36:48.750 --> 00:36:51.309
they could, in person, show us a picture and

00:36:51.309 --> 00:36:55.130
we could see the goods. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah,

00:36:55.190 --> 00:36:58.070
I mean, I'm always taking feedback. I will say

00:36:58.070 --> 00:36:59.929
the complaint jar is gone, though. It's been

00:36:59.929 --> 00:37:01.929
replaced with just shoving it up your ass. No,

00:37:01.949 --> 00:37:05.010
I'm just kidding. But I do like constructive

00:37:05.010 --> 00:37:07.869
feedback. Constructive. With somebody being like,

00:37:08.070 --> 00:37:11.489
I don't like the shape of your tits. Bro, let

00:37:11.489 --> 00:37:15.559
me see your balls. I do like constructive criticism.

00:37:15.619 --> 00:37:18.360
I'll leave it with that. Constructive, thoughtful,

00:37:18.579 --> 00:37:22.119
sincere, useful criticism. If your comments have

00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.239
to tell me that you think my ass doesn't look

00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:28.559
the way you like or my tits, well... I'm going

00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:32.559
to tell you what that is. I grew on myself. What

00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:34.139
do you want me to do about it? I'm going to tell

00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:36.829
you what that is. It's all natural. Exactly.

00:37:36.829 --> 00:37:39.530
And so your head rests normal. Those are guys

00:37:39.530 --> 00:37:42.650
who can't fuck you in real life. And they're

00:37:42.650 --> 00:37:44.969
jealous of that fact. They're going to sit there

00:37:44.969 --> 00:37:47.590
and try to degrade you because they're probably,

00:37:47.690 --> 00:37:50.469
you know, in a basement somewhere jerking off

00:37:50.469 --> 00:37:54.750
the fucking, you know, you. It's like, bro, you

00:37:54.750 --> 00:37:56.929
wish those Gollum hands were touching these pits.

00:37:57.070 --> 00:38:03.920
Okay. I do. Look out. Precious. All right. It's

00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:06.159
really lovely, and I hope that we can do it again.

00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:07.920
And next time, I promise to have my audio not

00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:09.559
as jacked up. See, it made me do two things.

00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:11.820
I thought I was just going to sign in, and life

00:38:11.820 --> 00:38:14.260
was going to be easy. It fucked with me. It will

00:38:14.260 --> 00:38:16.699
be next time. I'll make sure to tell you how

00:38:16.699 --> 00:38:18.260
to do it the right way. I think I lost you again.

00:38:18.940 --> 00:38:21.719
Lost you? Okay. Thank you for coming on, Lena.

00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:23.719
You were awesome. We will have her on again,

00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.420
folks. Peace in the Middle East. Enjoy your show.

00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:29.039
Thank you, Lena. Take care. Nice to meet you.

00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:34.210
Deuces. Deuces. Bye. Later. All right, so that

00:38:34.210 --> 00:38:37.010
worked for a little bit. I'm going to remove

00:38:37.010 --> 00:38:40.349
the phone so we don't have the audio. Do not

00:38:40.349 --> 00:38:43.090
report to Zoom. Good. All right, so now it's

00:38:43.090 --> 00:38:47.090
just the gracious two with you guys. I got it.

00:38:47.329 --> 00:38:51.769
Bobby is here and late. Bobby, don't come on

00:38:51.769 --> 00:38:53.429
yet because I'm mad at you. We're going to have

00:38:53.429 --> 00:38:55.849
you come on at the end a little bit, but just

00:38:55.849 --> 00:38:58.409
to let you know, when you do come on, I got some

00:38:58.409 --> 00:39:02.170
ungracious words for you to chastise a little

00:39:02.170 --> 00:39:05.230
bit. Can't always be gracious. God damn it. Yeah,

00:39:05.269 --> 00:39:09.809
I know. We got to change the name. But Chad,

00:39:09.909 --> 00:39:11.969
we were getting to such good stuff when we were

00:39:11.969 --> 00:39:17.369
ending that Instagram show about that death of

00:39:17.369 --> 00:39:18.969
a dictionary. Before that, when you guys were

00:39:18.969 --> 00:39:21.329
public affection, you had that eight track thing.

00:39:21.849 --> 00:39:24.409
Yeah, there were two. There was Proverbs of the

00:39:24.409 --> 00:39:26.829
Company and there was Divided Mind, Divided Planet

00:39:26.829 --> 00:39:30.280
were the two EPs that we made. And I just, I

00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.179
cannot remember the songs that are on those.

00:39:32.579 --> 00:39:35.960
If anybody has access to one of those, let me

00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:41.340
know. Yeah. Cause so again, I was a big fan of

00:39:41.340 --> 00:39:45.480
your band all the way since I think 94, maybe

00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:48.019
even nine, no 92. I think the first time I was

00:39:48.019 --> 00:39:51.820
able to hear pain lies on a Riverside. And of

00:39:51.820 --> 00:39:53.760
course, once throwing copper came out, you were

00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:57.699
then my favorite band. But I never heard about

00:39:57.699 --> 00:40:01.139
this. eight -track cassette or whatever it was

00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:03.000
that you guys did with Public Affection before

00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:06.460
Death of a Dictionary. Yeah. I'm pretty sure

00:40:06.460 --> 00:40:08.579
there's probably songs that are on Death of a

00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:13.199
Dictionary on those two EPs, but for the life

00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:14.760
of me, I cannot remember what the fuck is on

00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:18.780
those. Yeah. And then once you guys came out

00:40:18.780 --> 00:40:21.079
with the album Mental Jewelry, you basically

00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:26.300
forgot about all those songs that were on the

00:40:26.300 --> 00:40:29.119
Death of a Dictionary and earlier. and really

00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.280
started playing you know well good pain made

00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:34.539
the cut from that's the dictionary to uh mental

00:40:34.539 --> 00:40:38.079
jewelry yes right but like if i look up concerts

00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.019
from back in the day like i'm not seeing like

00:40:40.019 --> 00:40:41.559
you know i'm seeing a bunch of mental jewelry

00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:43.380
stuff on there and then some stuff that's going

00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:45.980
to be on throwing copper but like you know i'm

00:40:45.980 --> 00:40:49.380
not seeing paper flowers in concert and yeah

00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:51.360
i think at the time we were just concentrating

00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.139
on the new stuff that we had written we felt

00:40:54.139 --> 00:40:57.429
it was more it was better and more powerful than,

00:40:57.429 --> 00:40:58.989
than the stuff that was on death of dictionary.

00:40:59.449 --> 00:41:04.469
Right. You know, went with that. Dude, I'm going

00:41:04.469 --> 00:41:06.409
to blow some smoke up your ass because I have

00:41:06.409 --> 00:41:09.269
to. And it's true. Like that shows like what

00:41:09.269 --> 00:41:12.130
a fucking great band you guys were that like,

00:41:12.150 --> 00:41:15.530
you could just scrap like an album like that

00:41:15.530 --> 00:41:18.210
and really not pull from it and play it in concert

00:41:18.210 --> 00:41:20.849
and stuff anymore. And just then write all this

00:41:20.849 --> 00:41:23.389
new music that, you know, Of course, the fans

00:41:23.389 --> 00:41:25.869
considered better, but you yourselves were, I

00:41:25.869 --> 00:41:27.730
guess, more proud of and stuff like that. That's

00:41:27.730 --> 00:41:32.010
just a huge feat for such young gentlemen. I

00:41:32.010 --> 00:41:36.469
appreciate that. We had to play those songs,

00:41:36.690 --> 00:41:39.670
the Death of the Dictionary stuff, a lot to get

00:41:39.670 --> 00:41:43.050
signed. We played CBGB's many, many, many, many

00:41:43.050 --> 00:41:45.510
times, played 930 Club many times, Chameleon

00:41:45.510 --> 00:41:49.469
in Lancaster, and we played all that stuff because

00:41:49.469 --> 00:41:52.199
we were playing it for... We did private showcases.

00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:55.059
We had a great story. Two great stories were

00:41:55.059 --> 00:41:56.760
doing private showcases before we got signed.

00:41:56.980 --> 00:41:59.139
So we were playing for record companies. We played

00:41:59.139 --> 00:42:03.539
for Seymour Stein. He was the big guy at Sire

00:42:03.539 --> 00:42:06.320
Records at the time. Okay. And he was like a

00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:10.099
legend in the business. And he fucking fell asleep

00:42:10.099 --> 00:42:13.019
on us while we were playing. We did a showcase

00:42:13.019 --> 00:42:16.039
just for him. It was him and our managers and

00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:18.530
us in the room fucking playing. And we look over

00:42:18.530 --> 00:42:20.010
and we're fucking jamming out and all of a sudden

00:42:20.010 --> 00:42:22.070
he's just asleep. And we're like, okay. So we

00:42:22.070 --> 00:42:24.909
just kind of stopped and started packing our

00:42:24.909 --> 00:42:28.110
shit up. But then we saw him years later once

00:42:28.110 --> 00:42:30.070
we were signed and throwing copper come out and

00:42:30.070 --> 00:42:32.769
we were like, hey, man. He's like, I didn't fall

00:42:32.769 --> 00:42:33.849
asleep on you. What are you talking about? He

00:42:33.849 --> 00:42:35.269
fucking denied it. We're like, what are you talking

00:42:35.269 --> 00:42:37.829
about? It's hilarious. And then we did a showcase

00:42:37.829 --> 00:42:43.489
for Disney Records. And this is in 89, 90. And

00:42:43.489 --> 00:42:45.750
we did this in New York. And we did the showcase.

00:42:47.050 --> 00:42:50.630
The Disney had a record label. Okay. And after

00:42:50.630 --> 00:42:53.030
we did it, they came back to us and they said,

00:42:53.090 --> 00:42:55.550
we think you guys should be a boy band. We think

00:42:55.550 --> 00:42:57.070
you should guys that all start learning how to

00:42:57.070 --> 00:42:59.409
dance. You're all pretty good looking guys. You

00:42:59.409 --> 00:43:00.889
should learn how to dance and sing. And we were

00:43:00.889 --> 00:43:06.409
like, fuck you. Thank God. It's like, come on,

00:43:06.429 --> 00:43:09.030
man. Yeah. And then, and then you look back on

00:43:09.030 --> 00:43:10.789
what's happening in Disney and Nickelodeon and

00:43:10.789 --> 00:43:12.250
all this shit. You're like, oh yeah. So you could

00:43:12.250 --> 00:43:15.190
fucking molest us and shit. Yeah. No, thanks.

00:43:15.739 --> 00:43:18.739
How fucking funny. So what you said there is

00:43:18.739 --> 00:43:21.239
so crazy poignant and stuff for like the trajectory

00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.880
you guys went on. Like if that guy didn't fall

00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.260
asleep, of course he would have fell in love

00:43:26.260 --> 00:43:28.360
with what he heard and probably signed you guys

00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.360
and shit could have been different. And then

00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.340
if you were stupid enough to listen to fucking

00:43:33.340 --> 00:43:36.659
Disney and fucking, you know, do that thing again,

00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:38.840
maybe this doesn't all happen. And you're a boy

00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:41.440
band fucking getting blown by Walt Disney himself.

00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:47.429
Yeah. Oh my God. That's insane, dude. That's

00:43:47.429 --> 00:43:51.230
funny. Wild story. Yeah. It's funny how things

00:43:51.230 --> 00:43:55.329
work out like that. Uh, other stuff, uh, from

00:43:55.329 --> 00:43:57.369
here. And this is, this is from, uh, somebody

00:43:57.369 --> 00:43:59.949
who's, uh, in the gracious audience, but of course

00:43:59.949 --> 00:44:02.329
has been fan fans of your band for a very long

00:44:02.329 --> 00:44:05.610
time. Um, I think we kind of touch on this a

00:44:05.610 --> 00:44:07.730
little bit where you said kind of CT has like

00:44:07.730 --> 00:44:10.260
the masters, everything, but He said, please

00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:14.099
remind Chad that the studio recordings of new

00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:18.119
city change and more have not been leaked or

00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:20.559
released. Some of us have been waiting 25 years.

00:44:20.780 --> 00:44:25.860
Just saying, is there any way though? Like, are

00:44:25.860 --> 00:44:28.280
there, first of all, recordings of new city and

00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.539
change like that? Do you know? We recorded those

00:44:30.539 --> 00:44:32.420
for distance to hear. Yeah. We recorded everything,

00:44:32.460 --> 00:44:34.860
all those songs for distance to hear. Wow. It

00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:39.380
was. So that was kind of the beginning of the

00:44:39.380 --> 00:44:42.860
fallout between Ed and Chad. And those songs

00:44:42.860 --> 00:44:46.380
were guitar ideas that Chad had come to practice

00:44:46.380 --> 00:44:49.019
with, and we made them into songs, and they were

00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:53.519
fucking cool songs. And Ed was in New York. He

00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:55.579
was the only one doing mixing or mastering at

00:44:55.579 --> 00:44:59.320
the time, so he was the one selecting the songs

00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:01.239
on the record. This was the first time that the

00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:03.179
whole band wasn't involved in the process. Go

00:45:03.179 --> 00:45:06.280
figure. And so the record became more of all.

00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:10.360
the songs that he wrote instead of, and some,

00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:12.380
there was a couple of ideas that made it through

00:45:12.380 --> 00:45:14.039
that were from the band, but like most of it

00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.920
was the stuff that Ed brought to the band, which

00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:19.559
was fine. It was a great record. I think it's

00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:21.039
fine, but it was a bit, it would have been a

00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:23.420
more rocking record if the Chad Taylor stuff

00:45:23.420 --> 00:45:26.679
would have been put on. Yes. Yeah. So it's almost

00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.900
like we're the distance of here. Then you almost

00:45:29.900 --> 00:45:32.619
had like a full nother albums worth of songs

00:45:32.619 --> 00:45:35.579
that were basically scrapped and not. you know,

00:45:35.579 --> 00:45:38.300
put on anything else except for overcome that

00:45:38.300 --> 00:45:42.519
went to five, uh, problem, but like, you know,

00:45:42.539 --> 00:45:46.739
new city change. Um, there was a bunch on there

00:45:46.739 --> 00:45:48.500
cause you, you played the bet and freedom concert.

00:45:48.579 --> 00:45:50.199
So I got to hear those. And then I was at your

00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:53.699
stone show in 98. And again, everything that

00:45:53.699 --> 00:45:55.539
you played that night, except for like three

00:45:55.539 --> 00:45:59.860
songs were all new and they were, they were fucking

00:45:59.860 --> 00:46:03.300
rocking songs. And then of course the distance

00:46:03.300 --> 00:46:05.639
to here is one of my top albums as well for you

00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:08.219
guys. But, uh, it was just a different, a totally

00:46:08.219 --> 00:46:10.440
different vibe from what I heard at those shows

00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:12.820
to, to what was released. And that's amazing

00:46:12.820 --> 00:46:15.679
that you can have all these songs that are banging,

00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.920
like a really book, another like album that would

00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.159
have been like up in your top, you know, three,

00:46:21.300 --> 00:46:23.539
four or five albums and just, they're not out.

00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:25.739
Like they're just sitting somewhere. Yeah. They're

00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:29.760
in archive and universal. The masters are, um,

00:46:31.150 --> 00:46:34.269
And we've never tried to do, I don't think to

00:46:34.269 --> 00:46:36.389
this day, we've ever tried to do like a B -sides

00:46:36.389 --> 00:46:39.610
album, like all the B -sides, leftover tracks

00:46:39.610 --> 00:46:43.190
from all the first four records. Yeah. Because

00:46:43.190 --> 00:46:46.250
there's quite a few. Yeah. And they're all fucking

00:46:46.250 --> 00:46:50.130
good. You only did it with Hold Me Up. Right.

00:46:50.409 --> 00:46:53.110
Yeah. That was on something re -released. Do

00:46:53.110 --> 00:46:57.130
you know this, Chad, too? Kevin Smith, the director,

00:46:57.329 --> 00:46:59.329
he does Clerks, Mallrats, and all that stuff.

00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:04.139
originally had Hold Me Up in Mallrats. It was

00:47:04.139 --> 00:47:05.960
going to be on the soundtrack to that, but I

00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.619
guess you guys or the record company wouldn't

00:47:08.619 --> 00:47:12.400
release the copyright. I don't know how that

00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.360
works, but basically couldn't use it. But in

00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:18.079
one of the deleted scenes from that movie, he

00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:22.860
had a studio copy of that, quality copy of it,

00:47:22.940 --> 00:47:25.199
that was actually put in the movie and cut into

00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:27.119
it, but they deleted the scene, I guess, because

00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:29.559
he couldn't get the rights to it. So my question

00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:34.289
to you is, How the fuck did he get a studio copy

00:47:34.289 --> 00:47:36.429
quality of that from back in the day when you

00:47:36.429 --> 00:47:39.869
guys didn't release the thing till way long after?

00:47:40.030 --> 00:47:42.389
I don't know. I have no idea unless he knew someone

00:47:42.389 --> 00:47:47.110
at Universal. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Because

00:47:47.110 --> 00:47:49.449
I think Universal produced those movies or something.

00:47:50.210 --> 00:47:52.610
It could be that or he just knew somebody in

00:47:52.610 --> 00:47:53.949
the music department saying, hey, give me that.

00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.440
wow i've heard about this live track you know

00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:58.659
hold me up guys had they could have given a copy

00:47:58.659 --> 00:48:03.159
of it that way yeah um i was gonna say uh yeah

00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:05.579
so zach and mary made a porno that's you know

00:48:05.579 --> 00:48:07.840
hold me that was kevin smith too right that's

00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:10.940
yep he finally got the song in a in a in a movie

00:48:10.940 --> 00:48:14.119
yeah i don't know why we denied that back in

00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:17.159
the day i'm not sure but you know we did for

00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.530
some reason And you know what, though? The way

00:48:19.530 --> 00:48:22.070
he used it in Zack and Miri is better than how

00:48:22.070 --> 00:48:23.750
he had it in there. I think he just wanted it

00:48:23.750 --> 00:48:25.610
in Mallrats because he loved you guys and loved

00:48:25.610 --> 00:48:28.429
that song. But the way he had it in Zack and

00:48:28.429 --> 00:48:30.269
Miri where they're starting off like fucking

00:48:30.269 --> 00:48:32.309
slow making out and then they start to fucking

00:48:32.309 --> 00:48:34.650
like this, like the song starts out slow and

00:48:34.650 --> 00:48:38.030
then starts rocking. It was better like and related.

00:48:39.269 --> 00:48:41.989
But I agree with that. It's just funny because

00:48:41.989 --> 00:48:44.929
like back in the mid 90s and stuff, you you were

00:48:44.929 --> 00:48:47.869
trying to be. like you want to keep your cred

00:48:47.869 --> 00:48:49.730
and try to be cool and so you didn't want to

00:48:49.730 --> 00:48:52.269
put out too much too much fucking music you don't

00:48:52.269 --> 00:48:54.269
want to put in the movie sometimes unless it

00:48:54.269 --> 00:48:56.349
was like really appropriate and like the lead

00:48:56.349 --> 00:48:58.809
single of the record that's how that's how it

00:48:58.809 --> 00:49:00.429
was back in the days like you didn't want to

00:49:00.429 --> 00:49:03.730
have like you didn't want to take you know sponsor

00:49:03.730 --> 00:49:07.170
dollars like we famously turned down like Bud

00:49:07.170 --> 00:49:09.789
Light was gonna know those Budweiser wanted to

00:49:09.789 --> 00:49:13.230
pay us like half a million dollars to brand our

00:49:13.230 --> 00:49:16.849
whole tour and have Budweiser in all the venues

00:49:16.849 --> 00:49:19.710
and blah, blah, blah. And we said no. We wanted

00:49:19.710 --> 00:49:22.050
more money, but we said no. And then so they

00:49:22.050 --> 00:49:24.010
just went back to all the venues and did the

00:49:24.010 --> 00:49:26.750
deal with them. We're like, fuck. Of course.

00:49:26.849 --> 00:49:29.710
Stupid. Shady. But back in the day, like I said,

00:49:29.829 --> 00:49:33.349
bands didn't do that. Right. You didn't take

00:49:33.349 --> 00:49:36.590
money from these big companies because you were

00:49:36.590 --> 00:49:39.909
like, that's fucking not cool. Right. But that's

00:49:39.909 --> 00:49:42.190
unheard of now. If someone offers you money,

00:49:42.269 --> 00:49:44.440
you're like, yeah, take it. We should have, but

00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:46.719
whatever. You know what, Chad, though? Like,

00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:48.980
you guys were kind of, like, cool to stick to

00:49:48.980 --> 00:49:51.679
your laurels or whatever on that point because

00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.679
a lot of bands spoke like that. Like, even Nirvana.

00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:56.679
Like, he would say, like, I don't want to do,

00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:58.159
you know, I don't want to be in the spotlight

00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.579
and blah, blah, blah, blah. But yet, he did every

00:50:00.579 --> 00:50:02.820
interview under the sun. Like, there was me at

00:50:02.820 --> 00:50:06.159
MTV. things of them. So like you guys really

00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:08.139
walk that walk to where you're like, you know,

00:50:08.139 --> 00:50:10.199
we talk, we turned down a shit ton of press.

00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:11.920
I mean, all the time we turned down the cover

00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:14.519
of Rolling Stone like four times. Insane. Because

00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.219
Gary Kerfurst was our, was our record company

00:50:17.219 --> 00:50:19.719
president, later became our manager in the 2000s,

00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.079
but before he passed away, but he, he, he, he

00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.599
hated the press because he thought, he thought

00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:27.559
the press was all about making money off the

00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:31.219
band. Right. So they, they would use you to sell

00:50:31.219 --> 00:50:34.119
their magazines. right but in the end it's like

00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.380
live is not a big as big a name as say pearl

00:50:37.380 --> 00:50:39.800
jam or smashing pumpkins or nirvana for that

00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:42.599
matter not because i mean obviously those bands

00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.840
are huge and amazing but we just we we did less

00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:48.260
press than them like we did less press than all

00:50:48.260 --> 00:50:50.739
of our contemporaries at the time because gary

00:50:50.739 --> 00:50:53.159
kershaw's like don't do their fucking rick you

00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:55.789
know their cover fuck fuck span and fuck you

00:50:55.789 --> 00:50:58.090
know, like Rolling Stone, we're waiting or we're

00:50:58.090 --> 00:51:00.230
waiting to do it until the fans voted on. That's

00:51:00.230 --> 00:51:01.530
how we got on the couple of Rolling Stone because

00:51:01.530 --> 00:51:04.969
the fans voted. But I mean, we could have done

00:51:04.969 --> 00:51:07.389
it a lot of times and been, I think a bigger

00:51:07.389 --> 00:51:11.510
household name at the time. For sure. Well, cause

00:51:11.510 --> 00:51:14.550
here's what it is. Like, so even like, like you

00:51:14.550 --> 00:51:16.670
guys sold 25 million records, you know, back

00:51:16.670 --> 00:51:18.449
then, you know, whatever, something like that.

00:51:18.510 --> 00:51:22.210
Yeah. That's huge. Those are huge numbers. So

00:51:22.210 --> 00:51:25.800
it's like, your fans knew you and stuff like

00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.019
that but like the i guess it wasn't out to like

00:51:29.019 --> 00:51:31.320
some other people because i'd be like yo do you

00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.639
know live and they'll be like no and then i'll

00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:35.980
play them lightning crashes i alone all over

00:51:35.980 --> 00:51:38.059
you the dolphins cry and they're like oh shit

00:51:38.059 --> 00:51:41.059
of course i know them but like but so it's like

00:51:41.059 --> 00:51:44.400
think about what your fan base would have been

00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:47.380
if you did you know that uh you know all those

00:51:47.380 --> 00:51:50.500
press releases and stuff like that like People

00:51:50.500 --> 00:51:52.440
got to know you because your music was great

00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.480
and stood and resonated with them. But think

00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:59.039
about how hugely popular you guys could have

00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:01.500
been if, you know, if you didn't do all that.

00:52:02.019 --> 00:52:04.519
Sure. And even on throwing copper, like after,

00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.719
after lightning crashes, we didn't officially

00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.780
put out all over you, just all the radio, a lot

00:52:10.780 --> 00:52:12.420
of radio stations in America just started playing

00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:15.699
it spontaneously and it became its own hit, but

00:52:15.699 --> 00:52:18.780
we never. promoted it or put it out made a video

00:52:18.780 --> 00:52:20.960
for it because that was again gary kerfuss going

00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:24.239
you've saturated enough let's save it for the

00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:26.460
next record in hindsight i don't know if that

00:52:26.460 --> 00:52:28.539
was the best thing to do or not but it's you

00:52:28.539 --> 00:52:31.079
know it's what happened i mean it's kind of the

00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:33.820
same thing with not the same thing but like we

00:52:33.820 --> 00:52:37.559
notoriously and infamously turned down president

00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:39.760
clinton to play at the white house because at

00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:41.679
the end of 95 because we were just fucking tired

00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:43.860
literally that's that's what there was a reason

00:52:43.860 --> 00:52:45.239
we're like we're fucking tired we're going home

00:52:45.650 --> 00:52:47.210
Amazing. Because it was right at the end of the

00:52:47.210 --> 00:52:50.130
tour. We had played our last show at the Spilly

00:52:50.130 --> 00:52:53.570
Spectrum, like the penultimate thing that we

00:52:53.570 --> 00:52:56.469
could do in Pennsylvania to be like a big band.

00:52:56.969 --> 00:52:59.730
And we were just like, didn't even celebrate.

00:52:59.829 --> 00:53:01.809
We were like, I'm fucking done. I'm going home.

00:53:02.010 --> 00:53:04.409
Because we were on tour for like 18 months solid

00:53:04.409 --> 00:53:06.550
for that record. Yeah. With no breaks, barely

00:53:06.550 --> 00:53:09.329
any breaks. We kept begging our management for

00:53:09.329 --> 00:53:11.429
fucking breaks. We were fucking tired. Sure.

00:53:11.469 --> 00:53:13.750
We were 24, but we were still like, Jesus Christ,

00:53:13.849 --> 00:53:16.829
we'd be killed out there. Yeah. But, you know,

00:53:16.829 --> 00:53:19.530
and then we were offered a famously offered a

00:53:19.530 --> 00:53:22.869
huge arena tour, like beginning in 96 to go out

00:53:22.869 --> 00:53:25.869
and do that. We made a lot of money, but we turned

00:53:25.869 --> 00:53:30.110
that down. And as I have always said, like David

00:53:30.110 --> 00:53:33.210
Sestak and Peter Freeman were good managers,

00:53:33.349 --> 00:53:36.889
but they were not. I don't think in my mind they

00:53:36.889 --> 00:53:40.329
were capable of dealing with the size band that

00:53:40.329 --> 00:53:42.889
we became. Right. One hundred percent. And they

00:53:42.889 --> 00:53:45.139
could have been like. Get on a fucking private

00:53:45.139 --> 00:53:48.760
jet. Go to a fucking island. Relax for two weeks.

00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:51.719
Right. You have the money. You can fucking pay

00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.800
for it. Just go and get out of this. And then

00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:56.440
come back and do an arena tour and make $30 million.

00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:58.900
Whatever it was. It was a fucking huge offer.

00:53:59.739 --> 00:54:02.340
That should have been done. But it wasn't. But

00:54:02.340 --> 00:54:05.519
it's okay. I don't blame them. It's just they

00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:09.179
didn't know. And the force of the four of us

00:54:09.179 --> 00:54:11.300
telling them no was like, we're like, fuck you.

00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:13.039
We're not doing that. We're not doing it. I don't

00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.079
care what you say. And that's how we that's the

00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.599
mindset that we were like a team that was unbreakable.

00:54:17.699 --> 00:54:19.920
Yeah. So the four of us were like, fuck, no,

00:54:19.980 --> 00:54:22.219
we're not doing that. Then you could barely have

00:54:22.219 --> 00:54:24.880
anyone tell us what to do at that point. But

00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:28.800
whatever. So so so again, a bunch of it's like

00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.820
a double edged sword because, you know, all that

00:54:31.820 --> 00:54:34.099
again, you did have a lot of commercial success,

00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.619
but it seemed like your fans of your band were

00:54:37.619 --> 00:54:40.789
like you were their number one band. So it was

00:54:40.789 --> 00:54:43.650
cool to go to your concerts because it was all

00:54:43.650 --> 00:54:46.710
like -minded people like that really had this

00:54:46.710 --> 00:54:49.190
huge love for your band and like they were your

00:54:49.190 --> 00:54:51.210
favorite band. I've been to plenty of concerts,

00:54:51.409 --> 00:54:54.829
Pearl Jam included, you know, where it's, there's,

00:54:54.909 --> 00:54:57.250
you know, some of those fans there, but majority

00:54:57.250 --> 00:54:59.449
of them are just music fans and they're going

00:54:59.449 --> 00:55:01.889
to a Pearl Jam concert. It's not like they're

00:55:01.889 --> 00:55:05.889
going to see their number one band. So like your

00:55:05.889 --> 00:55:08.010
fans, there's a lot of camaraderie there and

00:55:08.010 --> 00:55:10.320
like a lot of community. Who knows if that would

00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:13.780
have been the case had all, you know, everybody

00:55:13.780 --> 00:55:16.579
jumped on the bandwagon and stuff like that.

00:55:16.659 --> 00:55:18.980
So you got to take the good with the bad, I guess.

00:55:19.300 --> 00:55:24.099
Sure. Yeah. I agree. Because let's face it, folks,

00:55:24.219 --> 00:55:27.619
what better band came out of the 90s? Like, yeah,

00:55:27.659 --> 00:55:29.760
there's so many that I love and stuff like that,

00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:32.679
but nobody fucking captured what you guys did

00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:34.760
and, like, you know, kind of came out of nowhere.

00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:37.579
Like, they give a lot of credit to, you know,

00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:40.289
Nirvana for... coming on the music scene and,

00:55:40.309 --> 00:55:43.030
and, and changing it and get rid of that hairband

00:55:43.030 --> 00:55:45.769
stuff. But I give just as much credit to you

00:55:45.769 --> 00:55:48.070
guys for like what you did to like alternative

00:55:48.070 --> 00:55:51.349
rock music and stuff like that, because you were

00:55:51.349 --> 00:55:53.210
your own sound. It wasn't like me. Yeah. Maybe

00:55:53.210 --> 00:55:55.789
you drew influences from, from, from other bands

00:55:55.789 --> 00:55:58.130
and stuff like that, but your sound was totally

00:55:58.130 --> 00:56:01.070
unique. You know, starting off with a pain lies

00:56:01.070 --> 00:56:03.030
on the Riverside where you started off with the

00:56:03.030 --> 00:56:04.949
drum beat and stuff like that. Like you don't,

00:56:04.949 --> 00:56:06.809
you didn't really hear stuff like that coming

00:56:06.809 --> 00:56:10.570
from bands and, and, Ed's voice being so unique

00:56:10.570 --> 00:56:14.090
and the guitar parts and Patrick's bass. You

00:56:14.090 --> 00:56:16.710
guys had lightning in a fucking bottle, man.

00:56:16.789 --> 00:56:21.750
It was cool to see. I appreciate that. I'm impressed

00:56:21.750 --> 00:56:23.650
with the band that are still doing Pearl Jam.

00:56:23.889 --> 00:56:26.010
It's still all the original guys, except for

00:56:26.010 --> 00:56:29.750
the drummer, obviously. Got Matt Cameron filling

00:56:29.750 --> 00:56:32.769
in there, which is great. Got Smashy Pumpkin

00:56:32.769 --> 00:56:35.250
still out. The bass player, Darcy's not with

00:56:35.250 --> 00:56:37.619
them, but she was a mess. oh yeah and we have

00:56:37.619 --> 00:56:40.199
green day those guys are still kicking ass dude

00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:43.699
weezer i mean great black rose dude got just

00:56:43.699 --> 00:56:46.739
black crows yeah stp still doing it they have

00:56:46.739 --> 00:56:49.239
with a new singer obviously it's just you know

00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:52.400
um it's and even even though i'm not in live

00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:54.559
it's great to see that you know live is continuing

00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:57.719
it still has legs and popularity and people still

00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:01.250
want to go see it so it's great yeah I mean,

00:57:01.250 --> 00:57:03.849
it'll never die down. I mean, again, you guys

00:57:03.849 --> 00:57:06.210
have to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall

00:57:06.210 --> 00:57:08.610
of Fame one day, because although they've missed

00:57:08.610 --> 00:57:11.090
out on so many bands that belong there, like

00:57:11.090 --> 00:57:12.730
Howard talked about it this year, he's like,

00:57:12.809 --> 00:57:16.369
they're inducting Sinead O 'Connor into it, but

00:57:16.369 --> 00:57:18.690
the Black Crows aren't in it? Like, what? Right,

00:57:18.690 --> 00:57:22.889
yeah. Yeah, you can do that all day with bands

00:57:22.889 --> 00:57:24.590
that should be in it that aren't in it yet, and

00:57:24.590 --> 00:57:28.090
whatever, yeah. I kind of wonder what the, it

00:57:28.090 --> 00:57:31.090
must be something to do with a political process.

00:57:31.269 --> 00:57:33.250
Like you have to blow somebody who's in that

00:57:33.250 --> 00:57:35.650
organization to like, you have to play ball with

00:57:35.650 --> 00:57:38.949
them, uh, in order to get all those, all those

00:57:38.949 --> 00:57:41.170
fucking words, the Grammys, all that's all fucking

00:57:41.170 --> 00:57:43.809
political horseshit. Because I remember, you

00:57:43.809 --> 00:57:46.329
know, at the height of throwing copper, like

00:57:46.329 --> 00:57:48.150
we had the biggest record in America and like

00:57:48.150 --> 00:57:51.599
we didn't. get nominated for any Grammys because

00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.719
we found out that like the record company wasn't

00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:55.280
doing all the political work behind the scenes.

00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:57.920
They got, they got to fucking talk to the people

00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:01.139
and do schmooze and all this bullshit. It's funny,

00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:04.119
man. It's pretty funny. And you know, like MTV

00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:06.739
movie or music awards at that point, you know,

00:58:06.739 --> 00:58:11.159
we famously lost to a TLC. Don't go changing

00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.920
waterfalls. I was crying that I wasn't really,

00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:17.389
but I'm like really fucking TLC over this. great

00:58:17.389 --> 00:58:20.030
motherfucking band are you shouting me but it

00:58:20.030 --> 00:58:22.110
just showed the writing was on the wall where

00:58:22.110 --> 00:58:25.849
mtv was gonna go and get away from real music

00:58:25.849 --> 00:58:28.369
real music videos and become reality tv because

00:58:28.369 --> 00:58:32.449
they're doing stupid shit like that uh but throwing

00:58:32.449 --> 00:58:35.150
copper chad that was uh that was a thing like

00:58:35.150 --> 00:58:38.710
so i'm guessing when it was first came out it

00:58:38.710 --> 00:58:40.670
didn't hit the stratosphere like it eventually

00:58:40.670 --> 00:58:43.349
did but it's like a crazy stat like that that

00:58:43.349 --> 00:58:46.519
was like on the for like a certain amount of

00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:49.219
weeks before it went to number one. It was on,

00:58:49.300 --> 00:58:51.460
yeah, 52 weeks before it went to number one.

00:58:52.179 --> 00:58:54.340
Amazing, dude. That was the longest climb that

00:58:54.340 --> 00:58:57.380
had happened at that point. It took a year to

00:58:57.380 --> 00:58:59.599
go number one. That was the longest any record

00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:02.380
had ever taken to go number one. And then you

00:59:02.380 --> 00:59:04.980
fucking did it. Yeah. And because, you know,

00:59:05.019 --> 00:59:09.219
we put out so many drama in April -ish of 94,

00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:11.920
I alone throughout the summer, and then lightning

00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:14.440
crashes came out. I think the beginning of 95

00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:18.480
or something. Yeah. And, um, yeah. And then you

00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:20.480
were rolling stones artist of the year in 1995

00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:26.360
too. That's well, yes, exactly. Yeah. So what

00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:28.719
did that, do you remember what that felt like?

00:59:28.860 --> 00:59:31.539
Like, cause all your hard work had basically

00:59:31.539 --> 00:59:34.659
now paid off. Like in other words, what you guys

00:59:34.659 --> 00:59:37.079
have been doing since grade school, you know,

00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:39.360
into high school, whatever, like now you have

00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:42.449
the number one album. in the country like what

00:59:42.449 --> 00:59:44.530
did you like do you remember having that feeling

00:59:44.530 --> 00:59:47.210
did it did it resonate to you at the time or

00:59:47.210 --> 00:59:50.030
were you just kind of yeah i mean i remember

00:59:50.030 --> 00:59:52.230
being very excited about it obviously it's like

00:59:52.230 --> 00:59:55.150
your record went number one it's like fuck man

00:59:55.150 --> 00:59:59.349
so it was very cool um but again as i said we

00:59:59.349 --> 01:00:01.070
were you know we were in this touring bubble

01:00:01.070 --> 01:00:05.989
and like just constantly on the road and like

01:00:05.989 --> 01:00:09.429
we didn't it was i say we're in this bubble it's

01:00:09.429 --> 01:00:11.480
like you didn't kind of realize how big you were

01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:13.840
right i always tell the story i didn't know how

01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.420
big the band was until we i went home for christmas

01:00:17.420 --> 01:00:24.719
in 95 and 95 and uh i went to my cousin my mom's

01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:26.880
cousin's house who we you know even to this day

01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:29.400
they still go there christmas eve and if i'm

01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:32.079
home i'll go there and bob and judy's house what's

01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:36.159
up bob and judy and uh and uh so we had been

01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.369
to this party i had been to this party probably

01:00:39.369 --> 01:00:42.670
23 years, you know, something like that. However

01:00:42.670 --> 01:00:44.610
long they were doing the party, whatever. Right.

01:00:44.809 --> 01:00:46.889
And it's just all like friends and family and

01:00:46.889 --> 01:00:49.090
a couple of friends of the family, whatever.

01:00:49.570 --> 01:00:53.670
And that fucking year I went, I went in there

01:00:53.670 --> 01:00:56.090
and I like, all of a sudden I get cornered in

01:00:56.090 --> 01:00:58.590
this back bedroom with all like my cousins and

01:00:58.590 --> 01:01:00.070
like all their fucking friends. And I'm just

01:01:00.070 --> 01:01:03.489
like, what the fuck is happening? And that's

01:01:03.489 --> 01:01:05.130
when I know I was like, Oh shit, this thing is

01:01:05.130 --> 01:01:08.880
like, bigger than i thought it was like these

01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.579
are all my my relatives now are like look at

01:01:11.579 --> 01:01:15.280
me like i'm like different and right this this

01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.579
rock star guy i'm like it's me hello hello i

01:01:19.579 --> 01:01:23.940
didn't change yeah same guy I guess for the younger

01:01:23.940 --> 01:01:26.179
audience out there that like grew up on cell

01:01:26.179 --> 01:01:27.280
phones or something like, what are they, what

01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:28.579
are they, what do they mean by touring bubble?

01:01:28.659 --> 01:01:30.780
So in other words, they were out touring like

01:01:30.780 --> 01:01:33.360
crazy hotels, you know, tour buses, stuff like

01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.619
that. And you didn't have all the access you

01:01:35.619 --> 01:01:38.320
have to now, like where you could get news and

01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:40.599
see things and get Google alerts on yourself.

01:01:40.699 --> 01:01:44.039
Like, so they were just, you know, going through

01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:46.860
it and didn't realize like all the fucking success

01:01:46.860 --> 01:01:49.829
that built through there. And, you know, like

01:01:49.829 --> 01:01:51.969
Chad just said, once he got back home and fucking

01:01:51.969 --> 01:01:53.969
realized like, you know, his cousins and their

01:01:53.969 --> 01:01:55.849
friends, they all wanted a piece. He's like,

01:01:55.909 --> 01:02:00.369
Oh shit. But that's so far into this new generation.

01:02:00.369 --> 01:02:02.530
Like how didn't. Right. Yeah. Cause yeah, it

01:02:02.530 --> 01:02:04.369
was like, yeah, you didn't have social media.

01:02:04.469 --> 01:02:06.989
You didn't have YouTube. You didn't have, you

01:02:06.989 --> 01:02:09.630
didn't have a phone. You just, you, you got paper,

01:02:09.690 --> 01:02:11.750
like your manager, you send you charts and go,

01:02:11.789 --> 01:02:14.210
Oh, your song is number this number of this,

01:02:14.369 --> 01:02:16.230
you know, this week. Oh, great. Okay. Yeah. The

01:02:16.230 --> 01:02:19.320
records. Climb into number 25. Holy shit. That's

01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:22.340
amazing. And then you just move on. But you were

01:02:22.340 --> 01:02:24.920
too busy trying to sleep and fucking wake up

01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:27.360
and play a show the next day. So you just didn't

01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:30.900
realize or we didn't realize how how big it was.

01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:35.980
Amazing. Yeah. What is what is like tour life

01:02:35.980 --> 01:02:38.639
like on a bus like that? Can you can you sleep?

01:02:39.070 --> 01:02:42.349
like you know comfortably like is it uh you know

01:02:42.349 --> 01:02:44.150
once you got like a nice tour bus i'm talking

01:02:44.150 --> 01:02:45.690
about like in the early days when you guys were

01:02:45.690 --> 01:02:47.050
in that van and stuff but like once you guys

01:02:47.050 --> 01:02:49.090
got the nice tour bus and stuff like that like

01:02:49.090 --> 01:02:52.210
is it comfortable to sleep uh in that kind of

01:02:52.210 --> 01:02:55.550
way or is it i was i liked it because i like

01:02:55.550 --> 01:02:57.510
to sleep with a little bit of noise so like a

01:02:57.510 --> 01:03:00.070
fan or something so you have the bus hum yeah

01:03:00.070 --> 01:03:02.650
um so yeah i slept well on tour buses all the

01:03:02.650 --> 01:03:08.440
time yeah and were you guys like i know I've

01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:10.119
met you guys a couple of times backstage and

01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.619
stuff like that. I would see Ed with like a beer

01:03:12.619 --> 01:03:14.539
and stuff like that. Patrick would be fucking

01:03:14.539 --> 01:03:17.019
in closet smoking with my mother and stuff like

01:03:17.019 --> 01:03:20.659
that. Did you guys get into like any heavy partying

01:03:20.659 --> 01:03:23.260
after shows or was it kind of just like meet

01:03:23.260 --> 01:03:25.539
some fans and like back to business and go to

01:03:25.539 --> 01:03:27.599
bed? Like, or did you guys get to sew some Royal

01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.699
Oats? During, during like 90, but during the

01:03:30.699 --> 01:03:34.820
nineties, no, not, not a whole lot. And I, I

01:03:34.820 --> 01:03:39.070
was, with a girl pretty much and she came my

01:03:39.070 --> 01:03:42.530
girlfriend like 93 to you know i was with her

01:03:42.530 --> 01:03:44.969
until we got married 96 and i've got divorced

01:03:44.969 --> 01:03:50.289
in 2000 -ish 99 something like that and uh so

01:03:50.289 --> 01:03:52.809
i was not participating in a lot of that i mean

01:03:52.809 --> 01:03:54.690
have a drink and stuff after the show but right

01:03:54.690 --> 01:03:57.190
i was trying to be a you know faithful husband

01:03:57.190 --> 01:04:02.050
but um so there so i got divorced from her and

01:04:02.050 --> 01:04:05.420
then there was a period where before i met my

01:04:05.420 --> 01:04:09.960
second wife in 2002 ish, there was like a two

01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:14.699
year period where we were all fucking just having

01:04:14.699 --> 01:04:17.900
a great time being rock stars. So yes, that's

01:04:17.900 --> 01:04:21.480
what I like to hear. And I was, I was, I was

01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:23.019
the only one not married. So I was like, I'm

01:04:23.019 --> 01:04:26.019
fucking doing it. Let's, let's go have fun. Let's

01:04:26.019 --> 01:04:28.659
get, so that, that's, that's, we would, so that

01:04:28.659 --> 01:04:30.760
two, 2000, we did that four with the counting

01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:34.340
pros and the co -headlined and, and, and, uh,

01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:37.760
Adam Duritz and I got into this tradition where

01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:41.840
we would swap spots. They would go on last or

01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:44.840
we were going last. So whoever was going on before

01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:47.019
the other, I would walk out and give them a Red

01:04:47.019 --> 01:04:48.699
Bull vodka. That was the fucking drink of the

01:04:48.699 --> 01:04:52.039
tour, Red Bull vodka. So I'd give him one, and

01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:53.880
then he'd come out and give me one, and then

01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:56.500
we'd party afterwards. We had a great time. That

01:04:56.500 --> 01:04:59.320
was fun. That's a great, that was a good time

01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:01.539
to kind of be, have your little single moment

01:05:01.539 --> 01:05:04.800
too, because that was a big tour and big audience

01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:07.539
and stuff like that. So yeah, that was a good

01:05:07.539 --> 01:05:08.719
time. That's where we met Chris Shin because

01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:10.599
he was in a band called Unified Theory, which

01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:15.039
was the guys from, was Chris Thorne and - Oh,

01:05:15.059 --> 01:05:17.599
Bly Melon. What's the bass player's name from

01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:20.320
Bly Melon? Brad Smith, where the, you know, the

01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:22.460
current bass player for Unified Theory, Chris

01:05:22.460 --> 01:05:24.880
was a singer and Dave Kruzan was the drummer

01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:28.159
from Pearl Jam. So that's where I got to hang

01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:33.139
out with Dave and met Chris. And Chris Thorne

01:05:33.139 --> 01:05:36.719
is from Dover, Pennsylvania. So when we did the

01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:40.119
tour with Blind Melon and Big Audio Dynamite

01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:44.719
and PIL in 92, was that? That was our first tour.

01:05:44.860 --> 01:05:46.579
Blind Melon opened up the whole thing. And so

01:05:46.579 --> 01:05:49.039
we got to hang out with Chris Thorne and stuff.

01:05:49.539 --> 01:05:52.920
And then he toured with you in 98 or something.

01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:54.699
Yeah, he played a little bit with us for a little

01:05:54.699 --> 01:05:58.980
bit. Unified Theory, though, back to that. That

01:05:58.980 --> 01:06:01.099
was a great record, man. That was a great band.

01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:03.579
I liked that record a lot. I was just going to

01:06:03.579 --> 01:06:05.679
say, it seemed like it's almost an all -star

01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:08.219
band, and I really didn't know of them until

01:06:08.219 --> 01:06:11.480
you guys did live with Chris Shin, and then I

01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:13.500
heard a song from them that I loved, but I never

01:06:13.500 --> 01:06:15.639
went back to check out that album. But I hear

01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.559
all these legendary people that were in it. I

01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:20.920
wonder what happened there and how they didn't,

01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:23.619
because it seems like that should have been a

01:06:23.619 --> 01:06:27.019
big -ass band. I mean, it's the classic, as far

01:06:27.019 --> 01:06:28.880
as I knew, what they told me is like the great

01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:30.780
record company just wasn't supporting them for

01:06:30.780 --> 01:06:33.579
whatever reason. Yeah. You know, that's, that's

01:06:33.579 --> 01:06:35.460
the thing about you can make a great record and

01:06:35.460 --> 01:06:37.519
you can be the best band in the world. But if

01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:39.980
it ever, all these little things have to come

01:06:39.980 --> 01:06:42.260
together from success, it's not just about being

01:06:42.260 --> 01:06:44.320
a great band and being persistent and having

01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:47.500
the great music. Then you, back in those days,

01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:49.760
anyway, you had a record company in the, so you

01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:51.980
could have the best fucking record in the world

01:06:51.980 --> 01:06:53.400
and give it to those idiots. And they're like,

01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:56.769
eh. Yeah. And if they don't believe it and back

01:06:56.769 --> 01:06:58.449
it, they don't put the money towards it. Like,

01:06:58.449 --> 01:07:02.630
it's, you know, dead on arrival. Right. And record

01:07:02.630 --> 01:07:04.929
companies used to literally, and they probably

01:07:04.929 --> 01:07:07.110
still do this, they would pay for a recording,

01:07:07.250 --> 01:07:10.650
you know, pay $250 ,000, $500 ,000 to make a

01:07:10.650 --> 01:07:12.610
record, and then they'd just fucking shelve it

01:07:12.610 --> 01:07:14.989
and not put it out. And you can't do anything

01:07:14.989 --> 01:07:17.289
about it. And they would just take the write

01:07:17.289 --> 01:07:19.349
-off as a company. Like, oh, write -off $250

01:07:19.349 --> 01:07:22.030
,000. Wow. And their record's sitting in a vault.

01:07:22.130 --> 01:07:23.829
You can't get a hold of it unless they give it

01:07:23.829 --> 01:07:27.449
to you, which is not very often. So it's like

01:07:27.449 --> 01:07:30.730
almost now, since you don't have to be beholden

01:07:30.730 --> 01:07:33.230
to them, if you're a really good marketer and

01:07:33.230 --> 01:07:36.809
you use social media properly, there is a way

01:07:36.809 --> 01:07:38.670
to get your music out there and in front of the

01:07:38.670 --> 01:07:41.050
masses now where you don't have to be dependent

01:07:41.050 --> 01:07:44.349
on this record company to do it for you. Yeah,

01:07:44.349 --> 01:07:47.210
it's definitely a long, hard journey, but people

01:07:47.210 --> 01:07:49.210
are doing it. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah.

01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:51.800
There's bands I'm hearing that are independent,

01:07:52.059 --> 01:07:55.360
so to speak, and kind of doing their thing. Yeah,

01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:57.980
I mean, there's way more ways to make your music.

01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:01.639
You can buy a computer like I'm on right now

01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:03.780
and fucking make a record on it with Pro Tools.

01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:08.179
Right. It's amazing. It is. I mean, back when

01:08:08.179 --> 01:08:11.119
we were coming up making our own demos, like

01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:13.579
I said, Divide of Mind, Divide of Planet, Primers

01:08:13.579 --> 01:08:17.220
of the Company, we were making on an 8 -track

01:08:17.220 --> 01:08:19.869
cassette recorder. We had eight tracks. That's

01:08:19.869 --> 01:08:21.869
all you had. You could maybe bounce some stuff

01:08:21.869 --> 01:08:25.130
onto two tracks. You were very limited on the

01:08:25.130 --> 01:08:27.170
amount of instruments you could put on it. Plus,

01:08:27.229 --> 01:08:30.789
it's on a cassette. That's not a very dense format.

01:08:32.489 --> 01:08:34.569
Nowadays, you can make a whole record on your

01:08:34.569 --> 01:08:36.409
computer. You can have unlimited tracks. You

01:08:36.409 --> 01:08:38.329
can put on many vocals and whatever the fuck

01:08:38.329 --> 01:08:40.390
you want and mix it on there. They have mastering

01:08:40.390 --> 01:08:43.149
programs. That was stuff that you didn't have

01:08:43.149 --> 01:08:45.390
access to. You had to make a record, figure out

01:08:45.390 --> 01:08:47.699
how to do that, and then have a guy mix it. and

01:08:47.699 --> 01:08:51.100
then have the master guy master it. But you don't

01:08:51.100 --> 01:08:53.079
need all those steps anymore. Those people still

01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:55.739
exist and they're still working, but the majority

01:08:55.739 --> 01:08:57.920
of people can just make the whole record, start

01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:02.119
to finish, on a computer, and then you have YouTube,

01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:04.840
social media, and all these outlets to put it

01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:07.840
out. You've got to get above the noise and above

01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:11.819
the static, but you have way more access to platforms

01:09:11.819 --> 01:09:13.880
to put your music out now than just the major

01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:17.810
labels. Right. And as long as you have like that

01:09:17.810 --> 01:09:19.770
good music recorded, like, cause you can now

01:09:19.770 --> 01:09:22.890
pay for ads on social media, pay for ads on Hulu

01:09:22.890 --> 01:09:26.109
and it's not crazy expensive. So it's like there

01:09:26.109 --> 01:09:28.470
there's even that Avenue, as long as your music

01:09:28.470 --> 01:09:30.670
holds up, like you could get it out without,

01:09:30.729 --> 01:09:32.390
you know, having to, you know, if you don't know

01:09:32.390 --> 01:09:35.630
how to do all the, you know you know, marketing

01:09:35.630 --> 01:09:37.850
on, on the social media and stuff like you could

01:09:37.850 --> 01:09:40.529
actually pay and get the ads out there and get

01:09:40.529 --> 01:09:42.800
music out there that way. So it's. the money

01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:45.319
you would have paid to record and go to a studio

01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:47.199
and do all that, you can now use for your marketing

01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:50.119
budget, which is kind of cool. Yes, absolutely.

01:09:50.579 --> 01:09:54.619
So you guys got your own 8 -track recorder and

01:09:54.619 --> 01:09:56.880
learned how to use it, and that's how you recorded

01:09:56.880 --> 01:10:00.380
the first thing? Yeah, I think, I forget who,

01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:02.939
was it Chad or Patrick? I forget who had the

01:10:02.939 --> 01:10:06.760
8 -track recorder. But yeah, just figured it

01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:09.079
out. That means then if you guys were coming

01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:12.500
up today, then that same... person or group of

01:10:12.500 --> 01:10:14.500
people would have probably figured out how to

01:10:14.500 --> 01:10:16.819
do it on the computer and been able to record

01:10:16.819 --> 01:10:19.579
that way. Yeah, Chad and Patrick were way into

01:10:19.579 --> 01:10:21.520
recording. They loved the recording stuff and

01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:26.239
learning all the effects and the boards and all

01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:28.920
the stuff. So I'll give them credit where credit's

01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:31.039
due. They were the two guys in the band and loved

01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:33.260
all that stuff. I was not really into it. I was

01:10:33.260 --> 01:10:35.819
just, you know, just tell me what to fucking

01:10:35.819 --> 01:10:38.720
record, baby. Fuck yeah. Mic my shit up and let

01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:42.649
me do it. and get it you guys did man like what

01:10:42.649 --> 01:10:45.289
again just the magic you guys did and the four

01:10:45.289 --> 01:10:47.630
of you having the same passion the same vision

01:10:47.630 --> 01:10:50.770
and implementing it and this person's better

01:10:50.770 --> 01:10:53.149
at this like the recording side and this person's

01:10:53.149 --> 01:10:55.970
better at speaking to the cameras and this person's

01:10:55.970 --> 01:10:57.989
better at laying down it like it just worked

01:10:57.989 --> 01:11:01.710
out seamlessly and as a fan of yours and this

01:11:01.710 --> 01:11:06.050
band I would tell people all the time My favorite

01:11:06.050 --> 01:11:07.909
band is The Best because they're never going

01:11:07.909 --> 01:11:10.229
to break up. They're four fucking friends from

01:11:10.229 --> 01:11:16.510
childhood. They'll never have any issues. I would

01:11:16.510 --> 01:11:18.189
have never thought that either, but hey, here

01:11:18.189 --> 01:11:24.189
we are. I just heard Ed on SiriusXM on Lithium.

01:11:24.229 --> 01:11:26.170
They do a show called On the Road or something.

01:11:28.369 --> 01:11:32.350
That's funny. Was he naked on the toilet? No,

01:11:32.350 --> 01:11:34.590
no, no, no, no. It was great to hear him tell

01:11:34.590 --> 01:11:38.970
the story about our green van. And he told it

01:11:38.970 --> 01:11:40.529
accurately, which was great. And it was just

01:11:40.529 --> 01:11:42.850
kind of nostalgic for me to remember the green

01:11:42.850 --> 01:11:46.250
van and driving to fucking gigs and outrun the

01:11:46.250 --> 01:11:49.250
cops in it and shit. Yeah. You know, that kind

01:11:49.250 --> 01:11:52.270
of stuff. Hell yeah. The fucking good old days.

01:11:52.289 --> 01:11:55.090
And then we graduated. We told the story. He

01:11:55.090 --> 01:11:58.600
told the story where we got... uh signed and

01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:00.640
then we went on tour for mental jewelry and we

01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:02.939
did that big audio dynamite tour it was called

01:12:02.939 --> 01:12:05.939
120 minutes tour and we were able to get a bus

01:12:05.939 --> 01:12:10.460
and we got this old shitty bus is an eagle and

01:12:10.460 --> 01:12:13.579
what he forgot to tell in his story was that

01:12:13.579 --> 01:12:17.159
we nicknamed the bus the bus evil which is lifestyle

01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:19.939
backwards how funny so we put that in the there

01:12:19.939 --> 01:12:22.380
there's a little window in the front it used

01:12:22.380 --> 01:12:24.159
to be in the front of the buses where they tell

01:12:24.159 --> 01:12:26.649
you the location and where you're going So we

01:12:26.649 --> 01:12:29.170
put evil in there. And then the bus tried to

01:12:29.170 --> 01:12:31.770
kill us because it was leaking carbon monoxide

01:12:31.770 --> 01:12:35.909
through a hole back in the back lounge. There

01:12:35.909 --> 01:12:38.090
was like this little separation between where

01:12:38.090 --> 01:12:43.369
the floor met the one wall. And it's all black

01:12:43.369 --> 01:12:45.050
around the hole. And I was back there one day

01:12:45.050 --> 01:12:47.550
going, dude, there's fucking exhaust coming in

01:12:47.550 --> 01:12:49.329
here. No wonder we can fucking sleep on this

01:12:49.329 --> 01:12:52.069
bus like no one's business. We're fucking dying

01:12:52.069 --> 01:12:55.899
slowly. I'd almost pass it out. So Ed did not

01:12:55.899 --> 01:12:57.640
include that part in the story where we nicknamed

01:12:57.640 --> 01:12:59.260
the bus evil and then it fucking tried to kill

01:12:59.260 --> 01:13:01.319
us. We're like, we're not doing that again. That's

01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:04.300
hysterical. And then also people like driving

01:13:04.300 --> 01:13:05.920
in front of you, if they're looking in their

01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:07.939
rear view mirror, it probably says live, right?

01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.460
Because it's mirrored. So, right. Yes. Yeah.

01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.220
How fucking cool, man. That's a cool part of

01:13:13.220 --> 01:13:15.279
the story that, uh, you know, wasn't, would have,

01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:16.899
but you heard it here, folks on the gracious

01:13:16.899 --> 01:13:21.760
too. So, uh, which, um, Oh shit. I had something.

01:13:22.539 --> 01:13:25.479
that I wanted to say to that, but my fantastical

01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:28.140
brain. Sorry. Oh, I know what happens. Not, not

01:13:28.140 --> 01:13:30.880
you, me. If I interrupt you, it's because I don't

01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:32.560
want to forget what I'm fucking about to say.

01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:35.640
So I did the same thing. Yep. And that's why

01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:37.279
I need to start taking an alpha brain, fucking

01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:40.520
Joe Rogan stuff. I want to try it too, dude.

01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:43.279
I just heard that target has it like in there.

01:13:43.359 --> 01:13:45.930
Cause like I'm. Ordered something from on it

01:13:45.930 --> 01:13:48.029
years ago. And like, I've been on their fucking

01:13:48.029 --> 01:13:50.329
mailing list ever since. And they barred me with

01:13:50.329 --> 01:13:52.649
shit. So it's like, I didn't want to order something

01:13:52.649 --> 01:13:55.930
again. Yeah. Do you want to try it? It's in target

01:13:55.930 --> 01:13:58.250
now. So, uh, I'm all about supplements. I've

01:13:58.250 --> 01:14:00.210
been taking supplements for years and years.

01:14:00.310 --> 01:14:02.909
I take, you know, joint supplements. I've been

01:14:02.909 --> 01:14:05.210
taking, uh, like the whole, the big rate right

01:14:05.210 --> 01:14:09.489
now is NM, NMN, which is a precursor precursor

01:14:09.489 --> 01:14:12.989
to NAD, which you need to survive. You produce

01:14:12.989 --> 01:14:15.689
less of it after you're 40. Everyone's taking

01:14:15.689 --> 01:14:17.989
this NMN stuff. I've been taking that for 10

01:14:17.989 --> 01:14:21.409
or 12 years already. There's another thing called

01:14:21.409 --> 01:14:24.090
resveratrol, which is also an anti -aging thing,

01:14:24.170 --> 01:14:26.869
which is the stuff that's in red wine, like in

01:14:26.869 --> 01:14:30.369
grapes. They usually combine these two supplements

01:14:30.369 --> 01:14:31.930
together. I've been taking those for years and

01:14:31.930 --> 01:14:36.710
years. What else? I'll take fish oil. I'll take

01:14:36.710 --> 01:14:40.789
a whole stack of shit. What do you do? Fish oil

01:14:40.789 --> 01:14:43.500
pills? Yeah. Yeah. I don't drink fish oil. Fuck

01:14:43.500 --> 01:14:47.239
no. Don't you burp that up? Like I tried that

01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:51.199
and I could taste it like an hour. I would only

01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:55.279
take fish oil stuff when I eat. I would take

01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:56.979
it before I eat and then put it underneath the

01:14:56.979 --> 01:14:59.060
food. Yeah. Otherwise you don't want to take

01:14:59.060 --> 01:15:01.199
that on empty stomach. That's disgusting. Oh,

01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:04.239
Hey, so I never knew how to do it. Probably good.

01:15:04.300 --> 01:15:05.539
Now I'm going to start taking that. Cause there's

01:15:05.539 --> 01:15:07.180
a lot of shit in there that your body needs.

01:15:07.710 --> 01:15:10.430
Yeah, it's great. It's omega or mega, mega five

01:15:10.430 --> 01:15:12.930
fatty acids. Great for your brain part. Yeah,

01:15:12.949 --> 01:15:15.989
absolutely. But anyway, so I've been taking tons

01:15:15.989 --> 01:15:18.149
of supplements and why not try another one? I'll

01:15:18.149 --> 01:15:21.449
try an alpha brain. Yeah. Nootropics. Yeah. And

01:15:21.449 --> 01:15:23.630
those, those work. I mean, from not just from

01:15:23.630 --> 01:15:25.510
the on its side, but I've heard a lot of people

01:15:25.510 --> 01:15:28.050
that take the, like whatever some of the mushrooms

01:15:28.050 --> 01:15:29.989
are and stuff in there that it really does. The

01:15:29.989 --> 01:15:32.229
nootropic in there is like really good and potent.

01:15:33.670 --> 01:15:36.390
Gary Brekka, Chad, you know, the guy that was

01:15:36.390 --> 01:15:41.579
on Rogan. My parents just went and did GaryBrecker

01:15:41.579 --> 01:15:43.579
.com and they're doing the test and they're going

01:15:43.579 --> 01:15:46.020
to see what they need their body to methylize

01:15:46.020 --> 01:15:48.000
and all that stuff. Yeah, I want to do that.

01:15:48.020 --> 01:15:49.600
I definitely want to go on his site and do that.

01:15:49.699 --> 01:15:51.619
It's like $500 for the test or something like

01:15:51.619 --> 01:15:55.279
that. A lot of people have the motherfucker gene

01:15:55.279 --> 01:16:01.140
which is MTHFR and that actually my ex -wife

01:16:01.140 --> 01:16:07.520
had that genetic I guess it's genetic abnormality

01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:10.939
so if you have that gene then it's just there's

01:16:10.939 --> 01:16:12.819
certain things that it messes up in your body

01:16:12.819 --> 01:16:17.020
but um my kids probably have it too but it's

01:16:17.020 --> 01:16:19.800
all right it's amazing that the these doctors

01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:23.659
would rather not have your body actually naturally

01:16:23.659 --> 01:16:25.680
methylize and all that stuff and have you just

01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:27.380
i don't know western medicine they give a fuck

01:16:27.380 --> 01:16:29.460
they just want to give you drugs that's it right

01:16:29.460 --> 01:16:32.060
i'm not trying to cure shit right they want to

01:16:32.060 --> 01:16:35.000
give you drugs and It's just ridiculous what

01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:37.119
Western medicine is. Not all doctors are like

01:16:37.119 --> 01:16:40.100
that, but a lot of them are. Yeah. Like, oh,

01:16:40.119 --> 01:16:42.300
you have a headache? Well, fuck it. Just take,

01:16:42.399 --> 01:16:44.060
you know, who cares why you have the headache?

01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:47.100
Just take aspirin to get rid of it. Right. Okay.

01:16:47.579 --> 01:16:50.920
Right. And it's like, you almost don't want to

01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:52.600
blame it on the doctors. Like, you want to take

01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:55.020
the, like, less evil side and say, like, they're

01:16:55.020 --> 01:16:57.399
just not, you know, they're being, they're not

01:16:57.399 --> 01:16:59.720
doing their continuing education or they're being

01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:03.939
educated wrong by whatever. i mean at this point

01:17:03.939 --> 01:17:06.000
you know they should be some of the smartest

01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:08.560
people in the room so they should start to figure

01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:12.279
this out and actually help nations like that

01:17:12.279 --> 01:17:14.680
some of them like i said some of them do some

01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:16.680
of them are actually will learn stuff and figure

01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:20.340
out stuff like you know when when we were uh

01:17:20.340 --> 01:17:23.260
you know our kids were born we didn't vax them

01:17:23.260 --> 01:17:26.819
right away we waited a long time Good. Because

01:17:26.819 --> 01:17:29.260
we read all about vaxes and like, you know, why

01:17:29.260 --> 01:17:32.760
does a newborn have to get a hepatitis B fucking

01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:36.699
shot right out of the womb? It's a sexually transmitted

01:17:36.699 --> 01:17:40.800
disease. Why are you giving hepatitis B to a

01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:43.720
newborn? Right. What the fuck? Makes no sense.

01:17:43.899 --> 01:17:46.279
But like I was going to say is that doctors in

01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:50.039
medical school, they learn very little about

01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:52.840
vaccines. So they're not vaccine experts by any

01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:55.119
means. Right. Most of them. I mean, some of them

01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:57.619
that have gone on to figure it out and like actually

01:17:57.619 --> 01:18:01.100
do research, read shit, which is against the

01:18:01.100 --> 01:18:03.659
left law at this point. Don't learn about anything.

01:18:03.859 --> 01:18:06.640
Fuck you. Now, how dare you? If you learn about

01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:07.880
something, you're going to figure out we're lying

01:18:07.880 --> 01:18:11.920
to you. So don't do that. But anyway, it's interesting

01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:13.520
because they were like, well, listen to my doctor.

01:18:13.619 --> 01:18:15.180
Well, your doctor is not an expert. Your doctor

01:18:15.180 --> 01:18:17.939
is being fucking paid by drug companies to administer

01:18:17.939 --> 01:18:20.439
the vaccines to your child. That happens. That's

01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:23.340
what happens. They paid extra to give your kid

01:18:23.340 --> 01:18:26.399
vaccines. And what is it now? Like I think when

01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:29.640
we were kids or I think it was like eight different

01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:32.340
vaccines you got, like now it's like 40 something

01:18:32.340 --> 01:18:34.720
that they give these kids. No, no, no. It's 76

01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:40.479
is the full schedule. Dude. Yeah. That's it's

01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:44.039
nuts. That's crazy. And you know, it all exploded

01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:46.939
after they passed the vaccine act and what the

01:18:46.939 --> 01:18:50.399
86 and you know, in, in the vaccine act, they.

01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:55.600
The vaccine manufacturers wanted immunity because

01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:59.319
they say and they admitted in the Vaccine Act

01:18:59.319 --> 01:19:06.300
that our products harm people. Crazy. They admit

01:19:06.300 --> 01:19:08.659
it, but now they have full immunity. And so it's

01:19:08.659 --> 01:19:10.420
like, and you know all these drug companies,

01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:13.100
they get sued constantly for their drugs, killing

01:19:13.100 --> 01:19:15.479
people, injuring people, but they got it all

01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:18.460
right on vaccines with no oversight. Yeah, I'm

01:19:18.460 --> 01:19:21.279
sure it's fine. Don't worry about it. And then

01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:23.520
you have COVID vax and people still believe,

01:19:23.619 --> 01:19:26.039
no, that's not hurting anybody. No, that's bullshit.

01:19:26.199 --> 01:19:30.439
That's conspiracy theory. We know somebody relatively

01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:34.880
close to Chad's age that took the vax and now

01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:37.140
has that, you know, you know, have something

01:19:37.140 --> 01:19:39.979
to help their heart go. So it's like it happens.

01:19:40.220 --> 01:19:44.619
It happens. Yeah. Are we ready? Are we ready

01:19:44.619 --> 01:19:47.800
for Bob A's world, Chad? Sure. Let's do Bob A's

01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:50.590
world. Bobby, come on and unmute yourself, you

01:19:50.590 --> 01:19:57.189
son of a B. What do you mean, son of a B? Gee,

01:19:57.289 --> 01:19:59.729
let me think. Bob, what time does our show start

01:19:59.729 --> 01:20:04.270
every Tuesday? I was in the middle of an Ethereum

01:20:04.270 --> 01:20:07.390
trade, and I couldn't do anything with my internet

01:20:07.390 --> 01:20:10.170
connection. That was the problem. I'm sorry about

01:20:10.170 --> 01:20:13.369
that. No, shit happens. We love you. But can

01:20:13.369 --> 01:20:16.890
you just for... For just in the future, if that

01:20:16.890 --> 01:20:19.270
happens, like go to a neighbor's phone, like

01:20:19.270 --> 01:20:22.909
just so I'm not worrying fucking about what's

01:20:22.909 --> 01:20:28.909
going on. I really love you for that. I wanted

01:20:28.909 --> 01:20:33.409
to talk about a couple of things. Decentralization,

01:20:33.409 --> 01:20:38.090
I think that's the key to like many of our problems.

01:20:38.949 --> 01:20:43.680
The voting problem. pretty much all of our problems

01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:47.779
really could be helped with, like, decentralization.

01:20:47.840 --> 01:20:51.060
Because when you centralize any kind of authority,

01:20:51.500 --> 01:20:56.100
it's going to end up in the wrong hands. You

01:20:56.100 --> 01:20:59.020
end up being abused, absolutely. For sure. Like,

01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:02.479
absolute power creates absolute corruption, and

01:21:02.479 --> 01:21:04.340
that's without a doubt. You know, we've seen

01:21:04.340 --> 01:21:06.739
it throughout history. We've seen it throughout

01:21:06.739 --> 01:21:10.729
history. It's something that will... Definitely

01:21:10.729 --> 01:21:14.109
keep happening. Right. That's something that

01:21:14.109 --> 01:21:17.310
we have to do. We have to change that. That's

01:21:17.310 --> 01:21:19.729
how you get Democrats waving Ukrainian flags

01:21:19.729 --> 01:21:22.449
on the floor of the people's house. Saying, hey,

01:21:22.550 --> 01:21:24.470
give them $60 billion. Fuck what's happening

01:21:24.470 --> 01:21:28.510
here. It is. Yay! It is. Now we're giving them

01:21:28.510 --> 01:21:31.430
another $60 billion. And look at the people here.

01:21:31.569 --> 01:21:33.430
They're just pouring. After the vote, they're

01:21:33.430 --> 01:21:36.069
up there waving their Ukrainian flags. Yay! We're

01:21:36.069 --> 01:21:40.939
so great! Yeah. It's really unbelievable. Decentralized

01:21:40.939 --> 01:21:43.760
currency. Obviously, Bitcoin is the big major

01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:45.779
player, but there's a bunch of them out there.

01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:50.859
Bill Hines has said several times they should

01:21:50.859 --> 01:21:53.720
make voting on the fucking blockchain. Exactly.

01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:58.479
Everyone has a phone. If you don't have a phone,

01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:00.539
I don't want to tell you, but basically everyone

01:22:00.539 --> 01:22:05.020
has a phone. Exactly. It's foolproof. You're

01:22:05.020 --> 01:22:07.340
not going to be able to fucking... Do fake votes

01:22:07.340 --> 01:22:09.420
and all this shit. You get one vote per phone.

01:22:10.119 --> 01:22:13.819
It's connected to you. Boom. On blockchain. But

01:22:13.819 --> 01:22:16.880
that could make a fair and unstealable election,

01:22:17.140 --> 01:22:21.859
Chad. Right. And then, of course, that's probably

01:22:21.859 --> 01:22:25.800
racist to the left. Yeah, right. Because they'll

01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:27.100
be like, black people don't have phones. And

01:22:27.100 --> 01:22:28.340
then they'll go to Harlem and interview black

01:22:28.340 --> 01:22:29.640
people and they'll be like, I have a fucking

01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:30.979
phone. What are you talking about? It's the same

01:22:30.979 --> 01:22:34.710
thing with licenses. It's funny because the poor

01:22:34.710 --> 01:22:38.090
people that they say are poor or whatever, I'm

01:22:38.090 --> 01:22:41.050
not trying to hit on anybody or anything. Trust

01:22:41.050 --> 01:22:46.630
me. They'll have the top -notch phone. They'll

01:22:46.630 --> 01:22:52.489
have a phone with 17 cameras. It's crazy. It's

01:22:52.489 --> 01:22:56.649
so bad. But you'll get liberals. It's like the

01:22:56.649 --> 01:23:00.670
hidden racism of liberals. It's like, well, black

01:23:00.670 --> 01:23:02.590
people can't get licenses, so they can't vote.

01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:06.279
what the fuck are you talking about? Like, who

01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:09.279
doesn't have a fucking ID? Yeah, it is. It's

01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:13.319
really, they're showing how stupid they are.

01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:17.380
And we need to move above that. We definitely

01:23:17.380 --> 01:23:20.739
need to, as a collective, we need to move above

01:23:20.739 --> 01:23:23.220
that. We need to move above that. And it's not

01:23:23.220 --> 01:23:26.000
hard to move above that because the level of

01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:29.510
stupid they're on is like another level. It really

01:23:29.510 --> 01:23:33.750
is. Speaking of levels of stupid, Bobby, I have

01:23:33.750 --> 01:23:37.909
to bust your balls here for a minute. Chad probably

01:23:37.909 --> 01:23:40.689
knows where I'm going with this. Last week or

01:23:40.689 --> 01:23:42.789
the week before, you came on and did a very good

01:23:42.789 --> 01:23:47.930
diatribe about the eclipse with the fear -mongering

01:23:47.930 --> 01:23:49.649
that they were all putting out and all that stuff.

01:23:50.170 --> 01:23:55.329
As Bobby said, nothing happened. Yep. I had to

01:23:55.329 --> 01:23:58.610
go to the fucking dentist that day, people. It

01:23:58.610 --> 01:24:03.050
didn't save you. No, but, but, but Chad immediately

01:24:03.050 --> 01:24:05.369
when we were done, he, we, uh, text to call.

01:24:05.449 --> 01:24:07.050
I don't remember, but he goes, wait a second.

01:24:07.409 --> 01:24:10.149
How is Bobby, uh, talking about the eclipse,

01:24:10.210 --> 01:24:13.250
but he believes in the flat earth. And I was

01:24:13.250 --> 01:24:17.369
like, good fucking question. I was more about,

01:24:17.390 --> 01:24:19.489
I was more asking like how, what are the mechanics

01:24:19.489 --> 01:24:23.859
to you of the eclipse? in within your flatter

01:24:23.859 --> 01:24:26.220
theory theory and i'm i wasn't saying to make

01:24:26.220 --> 01:24:28.220
fun of you i'm i'm asking like what you think

01:24:28.220 --> 01:24:30.619
about that how does the eclipse work in your

01:24:30.619 --> 01:24:33.520
theory of flatter to be honest with you i don't

01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:36.500
think the moon passed the sun i don't think it

01:24:36.500 --> 01:24:39.720
was the moon that passed the sun okay that caused

01:24:39.720 --> 01:24:43.399
that that what we saw i don't think it was Was

01:24:43.399 --> 01:24:47.880
it a satellite? Was it a... I have no idea. It

01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:51.479
could be the sky is a simulation as far as I'm

01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:54.840
concerned. It really could be as far deep as

01:24:54.840 --> 01:24:58.899
that. You know, I question, and until I have

01:24:58.899 --> 01:25:01.680
the answer to everything that I look for the

01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:05.100
question, I will continue to question, and I

01:25:05.100 --> 01:25:09.399
will not buy any bullshit that's fed to me. By

01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:12.260
this propaganda, because that's all it is, is

01:25:12.260 --> 01:25:15.520
propaganda, is that they're pushing. Okay, so

01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:18.319
now I think my brain is understanding a little

01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:21.899
bit more. So it's not that you 100 % believe

01:25:21.899 --> 01:25:24.500
that the Earth is flat, but you also don't 100

01:25:24.500 --> 01:25:28.920
% believe it's round, and until you have definitive

01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:32.680
proof of either... Exactly, of course. Okay.

01:25:32.720 --> 01:25:38.670
Of course. Cuckoo! No, but I'm with you, dude.

01:25:38.729 --> 01:25:40.390
I get what you're saying. They've fucking lied

01:25:40.390 --> 01:25:44.609
to us for so long that it's like, maybe, but

01:25:44.609 --> 01:25:47.890
I promise you this, Bobby, this is the one thing

01:25:47.890 --> 01:25:52.289
that they got right, you know? And it goes back

01:25:52.289 --> 01:25:55.829
to before there was a U .S. government and fucking

01:25:55.829 --> 01:25:59.210
Galileo, like, you know, he knew what was up

01:25:59.210 --> 01:26:02.199
and all that jazz. Oh, you know what that makes

01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:06.279
me think of? The three -body problem. I'm watching

01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:08.000
that right now. I don't know what's going on

01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:11.180
in it yet. I recommend everybody watches that.

01:26:11.319 --> 01:26:13.399
It's such a great show. I don't know what's going

01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:16.899
on in it yet, but it's really good. And the books,

01:26:17.100 --> 01:26:20.640
they put it into a show and it's incredible how

01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:23.520
they put it into the show. They really did a

01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:27.220
good job with it. I think I'm on episode three.

01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:31.979
I can't tell. Even in episode three, I can't

01:26:31.979 --> 01:26:33.680
tell exactly what the fuck is happening, but

01:26:33.680 --> 01:26:35.819
it's a great show. Did you see the ship part

01:26:35.819 --> 01:26:41.520
yet? The ship part? No. Oh, wow. In your mind,

01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:46.840
this is going to be fucking blown. Is the ship

01:26:46.840 --> 01:26:50.140
part, Bobby? No, the ship. Ship, ship, ship.

01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:53.760
All the ships that we're seeing. Yeah, right?

01:26:54.390 --> 01:26:57.949
Should we have said spoiler alert? That doesn't

01:26:57.949 --> 01:27:00.850
really give any. No, that's not. That's not too

01:27:00.850 --> 01:27:04.329
much. That's not. That's not a spoiler. Because

01:27:04.329 --> 01:27:06.329
Bobby's done this to me before, Chad, where,

01:27:06.430 --> 01:27:08.630
you know, oh, you got to watch this thing. And

01:27:08.630 --> 01:27:10.369
then, you know, we're talking. And then, like,

01:27:10.409 --> 01:27:12.750
before our conversation ends, he divulges, like,

01:27:12.810 --> 01:27:16.810
a real sick twist. You fucking ruined it for

01:27:16.810 --> 01:27:21.869
me, dude. But I don't mind. I love our young

01:27:21.869 --> 01:27:26.899
Bobby. Yeah, so Bob, our guest will be on again.

01:27:27.340 --> 01:27:30.760
We had Lena Hedonist on. You came in during the

01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:33.520
middle of it. Yeah, yeah, she seemed really awesome.

01:27:33.619 --> 01:27:37.539
Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. And the audience

01:27:37.539 --> 01:27:40.539
knows, Chad knows, and I know, and I think you

01:27:40.539 --> 01:27:42.699
know, but we're doing Bob A's World at the end

01:27:42.699 --> 01:27:45.659
of every episode that we can, especially ones

01:27:45.659 --> 01:27:47.359
we have time for, which, you know, we'll try

01:27:47.359 --> 01:27:49.819
to make time for every episode because I love

01:27:49.819 --> 01:27:54.020
your brain, dude. I love your brain. I hate your

01:27:54.020 --> 01:28:01.319
punctuality and your attendance. Bobby, why don't

01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:03.359
you tell the audience where they could go and

01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:05.500
check out some of Bobby's world when he's not

01:28:05.500 --> 01:28:08.279
on the gracious to again, your Twitter and whatnot

01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:11.140
or Instagram. You could actually just go to my

01:28:11.140 --> 01:28:15.159
YouTube. Just go to Robert Hayes on YouTube and

01:28:15.159 --> 01:28:18.539
you'll see New York City and you'll see my my

01:28:18.539 --> 01:28:21.680
photo, you know. Yeah, I don't have a problem

01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:24.340
with putting my information out there. They already

01:28:24.340 --> 01:28:28.579
have it. Yeah, exactly. Don't worry. Yeah, for

01:28:28.579 --> 01:28:31.159
real. Before you think too hard, what's your

01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:35.979
social security number? Go. How do you spell

01:28:35.979 --> 01:28:41.199
your last name, Bobby? H -A -Y -E -S. All right.

01:28:43.470 --> 01:28:45.789
I'm going to look you up on YouTube. I think

01:28:45.789 --> 01:28:47.510
I follow you, but I'm going to make sure and

01:28:47.510 --> 01:28:51.609
follow you. Yeah, you're one of my friends. Okay,

01:28:51.649 --> 01:28:53.229
cool. Yeah, well, I was looking. So I put in

01:28:53.229 --> 01:28:54.930
Robert Hayes, and the second thing that comes

01:28:54.930 --> 01:28:59.630
up is Robert Hayes serial killer. On YouTube.

01:28:59.829 --> 01:29:03.029
Like, what the fuck? That's not you. That's my

01:29:03.029 --> 01:29:06.310
alter ego. That's his father, Chad. You just

01:29:06.310 --> 01:29:09.390
outed him. His father is your serial killer.

01:29:11.149 --> 01:29:14.229
No, I'm just kidding. Oh, Chad, I got great stories

01:29:14.229 --> 01:29:17.289
about Bobby's grandmother. I'm going to real

01:29:17.289 --> 01:29:21.550
briefly. Her name was Julie. And I've known Bobby

01:29:21.550 --> 01:29:25.569
since fifth grade. And about seventh grade, we

01:29:25.569 --> 01:29:27.810
started to have some sleepovers at his grandmother's

01:29:27.810 --> 01:29:31.510
house in Carlstead. And she would let us drink.

01:29:31.609 --> 01:29:34.170
She would let us smoke some weed. She was a real

01:29:34.170 --> 01:29:38.600
older lady. She was. She was great. But here's

01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:41.720
the crazy part, Chad, is she also liked her drink.

01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:44.060
You know, she didn't smoke or anything. But so

01:29:44.060 --> 01:29:46.159
at like three o 'clock in the morning, we'd ask

01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:49.680
her to take us to fucking White Castle. And this

01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:53.039
chick was a scary driver, dude. I'm talking like

01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:57.079
eyes wiping some mirrors off. Yes, eyes wiping

01:29:57.079 --> 01:30:00.500
mirrors off. Dude, it was crazy. But she's no

01:30:00.500 --> 01:30:01.939
longer with us. But I just wanted to give her

01:30:01.939 --> 01:30:04.460
a shout out because she was a cool lady and showed

01:30:04.460 --> 01:30:06.560
us a lot of love. And we had a lot of fun at

01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:10.989
that house. Absolutely. Yeah, my dad's mom. Oh,

01:30:11.529 --> 01:30:14.010
that sounds like it. My dad's mom was a drinker,

01:30:14.010 --> 01:30:16.869
and we would go there for Christmas every year,

01:30:16.890 --> 01:30:18.810
Christmas Day, after we opened all of our gifts.

01:30:19.210 --> 01:30:22.470
And you didn't know if it was going to be, like,

01:30:22.569 --> 01:30:25.310
if you'd get sweet Grandma Gracie or if you got

01:30:25.310 --> 01:30:27.989
drunk Grandma Gracie, the shit would blow up.

01:30:28.010 --> 01:30:30.229
The whole house would go fucking nuts. And there

01:30:30.229 --> 01:30:32.840
were many years where... Like, my brother and

01:30:32.840 --> 01:30:35.060
I were ushered out by my mom and dad, like, okay,

01:30:35.079 --> 01:30:37.500
time to go. Close your eyes, earmuffs. It was

01:30:37.500 --> 01:30:40.579
going off, man. It's crazy how they ushered in

01:30:40.579 --> 01:30:43.699
alcohol and they took weed away because weed

01:30:43.699 --> 01:30:47.500
would have been such a better thing for society

01:30:47.500 --> 01:30:51.520
to have for the past 70 years instead of alcohol.

01:30:51.699 --> 01:30:56.420
It's so crazy. They made a whole world of monsters,

01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:58.920
really. Well, you know why, Bobby, right? Because

01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:02.819
alcohol is actually a poison to your body, and

01:31:02.819 --> 01:31:06.800
the herbal marijuana that grows from the ground

01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:09.880
is actually a medicinal healing property. Exactly,

01:31:10.020 --> 01:31:13.239
yeah. So that's why. It wasn't no big conspiracy.

01:31:13.399 --> 01:31:16.239
They don't want you. functioning on all levels

01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:18.500
they don't want you doing things that can lower

01:31:18.500 --> 01:31:21.720
stress and make you a free thinker they want

01:31:21.720 --> 01:31:24.500
you to put some poison in your body become addicted

01:31:24.500 --> 01:31:27.460
to it and then just go through life and do the

01:31:27.460 --> 01:31:30.640
motions and absolutely little fucking whatever

01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:35.250
you already know it And with that, folks, the

01:31:35.250 --> 01:31:38.710
gracious to Mr. Jack Gracie and myself would

01:31:38.710 --> 01:31:41.869
like to bid you guys a do. We will see you again

01:31:41.869 --> 01:31:44.449
soon. We'll be doing another Instagram live only.

01:31:44.510 --> 01:31:47.109
You guys see how we do it now. I think we kind

01:31:47.109 --> 01:31:49.649
of go on and post a couple hours before we do

01:31:49.649 --> 01:31:53.010
it to kind of let you know. And it's a fun. I

01:31:53.010 --> 01:31:54.890
got to start posting before we go on. I keep

01:31:54.890 --> 01:31:57.420
forgetting. I'm just ready to go. but I kind

01:31:57.420 --> 01:31:59.319
of like the way it is happening. Like the people

01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:01.939
who were in the know or just see the live notification,

01:32:02.060 --> 01:32:04.439
they come on, they chat with us and we never

01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:06.399
know who we're going to get. We never know what

01:32:06.399 --> 01:32:09.579
questions are going to be asked. Yeah. Bill told

01:32:09.579 --> 01:32:11.920
me that you can have up to like 10 people on

01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:15.460
the, on the, on the cast. So we'll let it, we'll

01:32:15.460 --> 01:32:18.159
let it, if more people want to come on next time,

01:32:18.199 --> 01:32:20.640
just let us know. Now we know you can let in

01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:22.680
fucking up to 10 people. So great. Let's have

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a party chat. Hell yeah. We might be all fumbling

01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:28.560
over each other, but who cares? It's a fun show.

01:32:29.500 --> 01:32:32.500
Go check out Chad's YouTube page. A lot of great

01:32:32.500 --> 01:32:36.859
videos on there. And again, follow us everywhere

01:32:36.859 --> 01:32:39.979
you can. Please like, share, and follow. We appreciate

01:32:39.979 --> 01:32:43.539
you guys out there with us. We love you for taking

01:32:43.539 --> 01:32:45.720
this journey with us. A lot of cool shit coming

01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:51.680
up. And what else? I think that's it for me.

01:32:52.039 --> 01:32:56.159
Show 34 in the can. Three and four is seven.

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What was it? Three and four is seven. That's

01:32:59.939 --> 01:33:01.899
a lucky number. That's right. That's a lucky

01:33:01.899 --> 01:33:04.800
number. All right. Later, ladies and gentlemen.

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I'm going to stop this and then just hold on,

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guys. Bye.