The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 050 - Michael Molinets

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Preparing. Here we go. Setting it up. And we

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are live, ladies and gentlemen. 50, Chad. This

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is 50. Hey, look at that. We're getting gray

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hair now that we're 50. A nice even number. Yeah.

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Get it, kid. Get it, son. Very cool. 50 shows.

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All right. Yeah, man. 50 in the can. Well, this

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one's not in the can yet, but as they say in

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the biz. Putting it in the can. That's right.

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Like Bobby likes to put cucumbers in his can.

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We were just talking about. Uh -huh. Uh -huh.

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Bobby's World is coming on later, folks, so be

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prepared for that. We got Michael. I got a hard

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out at 11 .30. I got to pick up kids. Yes, you're

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2 .30. Perfect. No problemo. We're talking behind

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the fourth wall here, folks. He's got a hard

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out. You're not supposed to know that. I got

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a hard on, Chad, for Kamala. Oh, really? Yeah.

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Anchor with it. She's out there doctoring pictures.

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I mean, they're using AI in their fucking pictures.

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Shows like there's a crowd at the airport and

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there's no reflections in the engine cowling

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or the plane. They just doctored them in and

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put out this photo like it's a real thing. I've

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seen two examples now where they're doctoring

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crowds and filling in crowds or making crowds

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appear where there's none at all to make her

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look like she's so popular. Bitch, we know you're

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not. It is a trip to have anybody on the left

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call anybody else a sheeple or a cult. It is

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literally a trip to watch them operate because

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they've rigged three primaries in a row, the

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Democrats have. Yeah. Three Democrat primaries

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have been rigged in a row. Hillary and Bernie,

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Biden and Bernie. Right. And now, well, RFK wasn't

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even allowed to get into the primary. And now

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he ran through the primary. We stayed in through

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the primaries and we all knew he was not going

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to stay in. We all knew this. And they stole

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fucking election. But well, they stole an election.

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But I mean, we can. Yeah, whatever. But that's

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a whole nother story. But my point is right now,

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now they have a selected candidate. A no one's

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voted for her. Correct. One frigging person has

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voted for her to be the Democrat nominee. But

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hey, you're saving democracy and you're not in

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a cult and you're just step in line and follow

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the line, whatever the fuck they tell you to

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do. But hey, we're the crazy ones. Got it. And

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she was going down as the worst vice president

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in history. Exactly. That was like a well -established

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fact. Everybody talked about it. And now all

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of a sudden she's the greatest thing since sliced

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bread because they told you she is. And now they're

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erasing her history. They're saying, well, she

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wasn't the border czar. And now she's adopting

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Trump's fucking policy. She just jumped on the

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bandwagon of no tips for service personnel. Whereas

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she helped pass a law many years ago, a few years

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ago, about. making it, having the IRS go out

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and collect those tips more aggressively. But

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now all of a sudden now, because Trump said,

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take away the taxes on the tips, she's now saying

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that. And CBS did two opposite, like basically

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opposite articles that when Trump says. He's

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going to not tax tips. Oh, it's going to affect

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the economy by $250 million or whatever the fuck

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they said. When she says it, it's the greatest

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thing they've ever heard of. I mean, if people

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can't fucking see this, I don't understand what's

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going on upstairs. I mean, that's the biggest

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question. What the fuck is going on upstairs

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in these people's brains? And we've been asking

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it for a long time and we're not getting answers.

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I don't think we ever will. We won't because

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they... They won't admit that they're wrong.

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They won't even try to look outside and go, wait

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a minute, this woman shows no policies on her

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fucking website. Trump has all his policies listed.

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You don't know what you're voting for. She doesn't

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tell you. She hasn't done an interview since

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she became the official nominee. Where's she

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hiding? She's running the thing out of the basement

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too, like Biden did? Exactly. Just don't talk

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to the cameras because they're such idiotic people.

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They can't even fucking talk without teleprompters.

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I mean, this is what you're dealing with, but

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this is who these people support. It's like the

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fixes in bitches. I wonder if they're really

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going to support this time. Like I think, cause

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I think their polling numbers are bullshit. And

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I think a lot of people have, well, I agree with

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that. And I think a lot of people have woken

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up since a bunch of shit has happened, you know,

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as of late. So I don't I'm hoping. But there

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are a lot of people that are supporting her because,

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oh, she's a woman. She's a she's a woman of color.

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It's like, OK, great. Is she qualified for the

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job? I don't think so. And she's making all these

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promises the first day in office. Bitch, you're

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already in office. You're in office. Yeah. My

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first day in office. I'm going to do this and

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this. You're in office. You're vice president

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of the United States. You have a little sway

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over, Joe. Maybe you can't even talk to him because

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he's not even there. Is she not part of the Bidenomics?

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I mean, I'm pretty sure he was and is. I mean,

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oh, my God. It's just mind -boggling to watch

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and watch these people just coalesce behind her

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like, yeah, she's great. Pablo's great. She hasn't

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done shit. I think this party is self -imploding

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worse than ever. I I'm, I'm hoping, I mean, otherwise

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I will have lost all faith in humanity. Well,

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you have a party who didn't select their vice

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president because he's Jewish. The candidate,

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Jack Shapiro. That was like, he was like the

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number one choice because that would have probably

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maybe guaranteed her Pennsylvania. Trump was

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going to lose Minnesota anyway, probably most

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likely. So to choose waltz because, and he's,

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he's like, Christ, he's more fucking left wing

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than she is. He's nuts. Yeah, he's fucking crazy.

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I just saw a video during COVID. He sent the

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SWAT teams in the neighborhoods to shoot paintballs

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at people to get back inside their houses. Wow.

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I saw a video of it. Really? Yeah, on Instagram.

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This lady just posted. I'm like, that's fucking

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insane. She's just filming them, and they're

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like, get in your fucking house. She's like,

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what are you talking about? And they start shooting

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paintballs at her. God damn it. The SWAT teams

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were walking down the streets. Are you sure their

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paintballs are not like those rubber balls? Well,

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they said they were paintballs. I mean, they

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showed paint on their clothing. But my point

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is, that's what Waltz did during COVID. Right.

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Sent out the Gestapo to put you back in your

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house. Exactly. This is their nominee. And they

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wouldn't select Shapiro because he's Jewish.

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How fucking racist is that? I don't know. Seems

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pretty crazy to me. yeah they got a dei hired

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vp and now it's bad to say dei when all the left

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all they want is dei but if we say it's a dei

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hire then it's a bad thing well that's exactly

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what the fuck it is she was picked because she's

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a woman of color that's what joe biden said he

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was going to do yeah exactly period i mean it's

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they should have found but we're the bad guys

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i got it and they couldn't have found a better

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chick of color you know what i'm saying like

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That's what I said when they nominated her when

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she was picked. I was like, there's tons of better

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women of color than this chick. This cackling

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idiot. I like me some Tulsa Gabbard. Yeah, but

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she doesn't tow the party line, though. That's

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right. She eviscerated fucking Kamala in the

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primary. Big time. 2020. She's smart. She actually

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has an intelligent brain. Tulsa's great, yeah.

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yeah i want that they don't want a free thinker

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with that could actually know why would they

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want that they need someone they can control

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and fucking to carry out their crazy ass agenda

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they're doing it's crazy dude but don't worry

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it's just a conspiracy theory there's no agenda

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just another one add them up how many have come

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true now i mean we've debunked and uh really

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just shit on a lot of conspiracy theories that

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have become real alive i've lost count i keep

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saying i'm either the smartest fucking guy in

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the world or i just see things that most of these

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noonies don't see yeah i think they see him they're

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just fucking i don't know man wrong for so long

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like something happens you get all you start

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getting all the comms of like what actually happened

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that gets suppressed and and fucking censored

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by the mainstream media then they put out their

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whatever their you know uh whatever they're whatever

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they want to say about the event whatever it

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is they'll just put out their own little talking

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points and anything that is true gets suppressed

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and censored and you watch it happen real time

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but then you have people telling you that i'm

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i'm in a cult and i'm a sheeple right and can

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you i see what's going on is not true but i see

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the truth the truth suppressed and censored but

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you believe the mainstream media's lies okay

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yeah i'm gonna call it then How dare you, Chad?

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Don't you know fans of live wouldn't like you

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to say this? Oh, I'm so sorry, fans of live.

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Some of them like it. No, of course. I mean,

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the smart ones do. Make the live logo red again.

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Yep. Let's go, people. That was too Trumpy. Oh,

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my God. Let's make it blue. I got blue balls.

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No, I don't. Anywho, so what else is going on?

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You watch anything fun lately, Chad? You watch

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anything cool that I should know about? I'm trying

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to think if I've watched anything on Netflix

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or whatever. Did you watch the Joe Rogan comedy

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special? I've not watched that yet, no. It's

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good, dude. I'll check it out. Yeah. He's hysterical.

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He hit the mark. And he did it live out of, I

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think, San Antonio. Because he's all about Texas

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now. Oh, he didn't do it out of Austin? That's

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what I thought. I thought he was going to do

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it out of his club, but no, he did it out of

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San Antonio, I believe. I might need a bigger

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theater. I got to watch this Trump -Elon Musk

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interview. I heard this is popping. Yeah, the

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one on Twitter, right? Yeah. I don't know if

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there was video of it or if it was just like

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a sound thing, but I got to listen to it, too,

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because it was like over two hours, I believe.

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Cool. I'm going to check it out. I just hope

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and pray that Joe Rogan has Trump on. I don't

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know if he will, though. Yeah, you got to wonder

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why he would or would not. I mean, I know why

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he spoke about why he didn't back in the day,

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but now it seems like he's completely on board.

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I'm sorry, guys. No, it just seems like he's

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completely on board with Trump now, and there's

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no way he's voting any other way. Yeah. Occasionally,

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though, he'll say something. Joe Rogan, from

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my experience with him, he's like, if you're

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interested in something, he goes and finds someone

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that's in that and brings them on and talks to

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experts, whatever. Sometimes he's a little cautious

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about Trump, I think. And so it's like, why wouldn't

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you have him on? You can ask him all the questions

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you want to right to his face and get his answers

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to you real time. And I think it would be great,

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but I think it would be too. I think he's just,

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I think he knows like how much influence he has

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and stuff like that. But I think now he wants

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to influence it the way, you know, to have Trump

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as you know, the, well, as he says, the left

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is there, they're infected with a fucking mind

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virus. That's just crazy. Right? Like he hasn't.

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anywhere endorse trump or anything like that

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so i mean maybe he's gonna vote independently

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for rfk but it just seems like that would be

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a way to throw away a vote because i don't see

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rfk you know winning at all rfk needs to just

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get out and then endorse trump or whoever wants

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to endorse but like just stop with your useless

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campaign at this point i mean i like you you're

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you're cool but like you're just just muddying

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the waters at this point exactly and And he could

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really save himself for the 2028 election because

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he has no shot and try to get on the Democratic

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ticket that time so he doesn't run independently.

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So that's why I don't know if he would endorse

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Trump even though the fucking left fucked him

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so hard. Yeah. I hear that. Who's he married

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to? He's married to some hot actress, I believe,

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right? Yeah. Cheryl Hines is her name. She was

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on Curb Your Enthusiasm. Yes. Yeah. Good for

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him. His voice, though, that's the one thing.

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I mean, I know it's a nuance that shouldn't bother

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me, but it's just hard to listen to him talk.

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Yeah. Great points. I guess he did some surgery

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or something. It got better, but still. Yeah,

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it's just hard to listen to. Mm -hmm. It's not

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as smooth as ask not what your country would

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do for you, but what you would do for your country.

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That's smooth. God, we need a little bit more

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of that sentiment nowadays. Abso -fucking -lutely,

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man. But I'm more and more looking into shit.

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I don't think we landed on the moon, dude, which

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is crazy. Yeah. It's lots of rabbit holes, and

00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:12.759
that's a good one. Yeah, that is a fucking good

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one. I'm going to let our guest on a little early.

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A couple seconds early. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Let's

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see. We just admitted him in, folks. You know,

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we do on our live show. Excited to see you, dude.

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Oh, Bill sent me the... I guess that interview

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already has 197 million views. There it is. Wow,

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which one? The Trump -Elon? The Trump -Elon one.

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Hey, what's up? How's it going? What's going

00:14:44.710 --> 00:14:47.549
on, guys? Hey, great to see you guys. Thanks

00:14:47.549 --> 00:14:49.850
for having me on. Chad, John, appreciate it,

00:14:49.870 --> 00:14:54.730
man. This is very weird. Very bizarre. Very weird

00:14:54.730 --> 00:14:58.470
spot you're in, man. Thanks, man. This is like

00:14:58.470 --> 00:15:02.210
my little studio. I do music lessons out of here,

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and once in a while we do band rehearsals in

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here and stuff. So, yeah, it's my little fortress

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of solitude. got settle mic'd up and everything

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very cool i do i do but i'm going through the

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the airpods so it doesn't you know it doesn't

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uh it won't it'll just sound like perfect clipping

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so what what kind of set is that sjc that that's

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a sonar design it's the same one like danny carey

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used early 2000s for the the the tool some of

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the tool stuff uh my buddy back in I don't know,

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late 90s. He worked at a music store and they

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were a dealer. And so he's like, hey, man, I

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can get you one for cost. This was like my first

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real kit. You know what I mean? Like I had I

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had a CB 700. Do you remember the CB 700s? I

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had one of those vaguely. And literally by the

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time I got through college, like all the finish

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was peeling off. And like I was just like, man,

00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:02.759
you know, I got to get some. But, you know, drums

00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:07.250
are are expensive. So, yes, they are. but that's

00:16:07.250 --> 00:16:09.570
all good how are you guys doing and you know

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what's weird they grow on very well the way uh

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drone for the most part they do but yeah they

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are i guess it's the only work that goes into

00:16:18.889 --> 00:16:22.549
making them yeah man so i know i was uh i was

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telling chad we kind of pseudo connected on on

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messenger and i i sent him a message a couple

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years ago when i said hey man you know just want

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to thank you for all the the inspiration and

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you know obviously you were one of my influences

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growing up uh and and he texted me back and i

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was just sitting there with my kid i was playing

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with my 11 year old we were playing fortnite

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you know he's in the other room and we're playing

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and he goes uh he's going dad these guys are

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after us i'm like hang on a second She had Gracie's

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texting me back. He's like who I'm like, don't

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worry about it. He's like damn We're gonna get

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I'm like, don't worry about it. I like dropped

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everything. I was like, this is great, man So

00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.200
it's just kind of cool. It's just bizarre that

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you know that it kind of kind of worked out this

00:17:05.579 --> 00:17:09.299
way But I was at that that show you did an interview

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maybe I Don't know 20 years ago or something

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and you were talking about like what show That

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was one of your favorites to play and I was at

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you said it was the august 31st show at the world

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music theater 1995. it was the i think it was

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still the throwing copper tour maybe secret samadhi

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that was 95 that was uh that was throwing a copper

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tour okay so it was a throwing copper tour and

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i was in like the 30th row and you guys came

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out and i think it was dammit utter creek you

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opened with and the energy was just palpable

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like it was just it was just awesome and i just

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remember thinking like man this like the crowd

00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:55.099
was going it was just a great great night for

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a concert and you guys just killed it and that

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was my first time seeing you and i was like this

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is my band now like this is these i'm gonna i'm

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gonna i'm gonna you know pay attention to these

00:18:05.140 --> 00:18:08.099
guys these guys are great so uh but yeah i mean

00:18:08.099 --> 00:18:11.200
just just a great that's one of my favorite albums

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what was that like what was that like like when

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you guys were recording that album were you did

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you guys know i mean did you guys know when you

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when you had it in the can were you like this

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is this is going to be something to reckon with

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i mean did you know or well i mean all the songs

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on there you know gave us chills when we played

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them so we yeah i mean they're there's not there's

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confidence front to back man that's just one

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of those albums i can just let play uh and now

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my son's into on my 15 year old he's into it

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and i'm just like this is great man this is great

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that's awesome so when you guys were doing that

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album like obviously like your drum sound you've

00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:56.140
got your heads they're not real ringy they're

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they're kind of dead what were you using in the

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stu were those aquarium heads were those remo

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were you just like mutin them or what what were

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you using during that recording do you remember

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i don't remember it could have been remo's but

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i mean a lot of it's post -production it's you

00:19:11.420 --> 00:19:14.059
know tom lord algae's mixing style is very uh

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Oh, dude, it's just killer. He did a lot of the

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sounds for the drums. I mean, we recorded raw

00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:24.039
drums, obviously, but he definitely amped them

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up and stuff. So there's probably gates and all

00:19:26.700 --> 00:19:28.299
kinds of stuff. Yeah, it's crazy, though, because

00:19:28.299 --> 00:19:30.980
there was no Pro Tools really back then. You

00:19:30.980 --> 00:19:35.039
guys did all that stuff. That was real. As opposed

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to the stuff now, it's just, you know, I mean,

00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.140
you listen to the radio. Well, there were basic

00:19:40.140 --> 00:19:42.039
versions of Pro Tools. We actually use a basic

00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:45.059
version of Pro Tools for vocals on. on Mental

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Jewelry in 91. Oh, you did? Okay. But there wasn't

00:19:49.500 --> 00:19:55.460
pitch correction or were there beat detectives

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and stuff back then? I don't know. You didn't

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do any of that. I don't think you did any of

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that. I mean, it sounded like you. We didn't

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do beat detectives. We did everything live. We

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played all the songs live in the studio, recorded

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them that way. I never used a click track. I

00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:12.099
did an interview with this guy, John DeChristopher,

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who used to be my... rep at zildjian he was surprised

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to find out that we didn't ever use a click track

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to track and i'm like dude it's solid man it

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was i mean we hated we hated click tracks and

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well they're like no way they're kind of they're

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kind of uh click tracks are very sobering too

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i remember the first time i played the click

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track you put it in there and you start playing

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you're like man the click track's off click track

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ain't off uh that's awesome man so when you guys

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when you guys were on When you guys did Throwing

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Copper, you started touring and the album didn't

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blow up for a while, right? I mean, it took a

00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:55.019
few months for people to kind of get like, hey,

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this is something that's going on. You were touring

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at that time? We put out Selling a Drama in January

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or February of 94. Record came out in April.

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Maybe it was later. So we did a video for that.

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We started getting good airplay on it. um let

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me put out i alone sometime later in 94 maybe

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towards the summer yeah that's when i noticed

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i was like i dig this and i had a buddy i used

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to wear when i used to play i used to wear a

00:21:25.740 --> 00:21:29.640
boston hat like a red sox hat oh yeah and my

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and my buddy had seen you guys uh my buddy mark

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who actually turned me on you guys he had seen

00:21:35.960 --> 00:21:38.259
you guys at university of illinois in champagne

00:21:38.259 --> 00:21:41.359
in champagne he saw like it was it was a smaller

00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:43.960
venue you guys were still kind of you know having

00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:48.579
that rise to you know fame and he's he he's like

00:21:48.579 --> 00:21:52.640
man mike i just saw live this guy wears a boston

00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.400
hat like you do i was like really and so that

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was what that was what kind of like i'm gonna

00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:59.160
check these guys out i mean this guy must have

00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:01.660
you know good taste i just did it to keep the

00:22:01.660 --> 00:22:05.339
sweat out of my eyes um i had all kinds of different

00:22:05.339 --> 00:22:07.740
hats but yeah yeah But that was just cool. I

00:22:07.740 --> 00:22:09.319
just was like, well, that's kind of cool. And

00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:11.200
then, like I said, you guys became, you know,

00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:15.099
just a huge, huge influence on me. And, you know,

00:22:15.140 --> 00:22:18.599
it was awesome. Very cool. Are you guys planning

00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:21.119
on releasing any of the stuff on vinyl? Like,

00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:23.440
I've got Throwing Copper. I know Mental Jewelry

00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:27.720
came out. Like, any of the newer albums? Do you

00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.220
know? Well, I think all four of the first records

00:22:30.220 --> 00:22:34.549
are on vinyl. Oh, they are? Okay. Yeah, I mean,

00:22:34.630 --> 00:22:36.549
there's, yeah, Men's Jewelry, Throwing Copper

00:22:36.549 --> 00:22:39.349
Seekers, Ramadi, and Distance to Here. Yeah.

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Okay, I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

00:22:41.670 --> 00:22:43.529
After, I mean, I don't know if we're going to

00:22:43.529 --> 00:22:45.650
re -release anything on Vital. I'm not sure.

00:22:45.750 --> 00:22:47.730
I mean, I'm not really involved at this point,

00:22:47.750 --> 00:22:49.730
so who knows? I understand. I understand. What

00:22:49.730 --> 00:22:51.970
was your favorite, favorite track that you recorded

00:22:51.970 --> 00:22:54.910
with the band? What was your, like, this is my

00:22:54.910 --> 00:22:57.690
thing. This is my track. This is my... Probably

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Iris or, like, Discussion, something like that.

00:23:01.049 --> 00:23:03.680
Yeah, that's awesome. Even some unreleased shit

00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:12.039
is so banging. Dude, hold me up. I don't know

00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:16.140
why that wasn't on the album. It was a hard choice,

00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:19.339
but we couldn't fit it on. Was that your decision

00:23:19.339 --> 00:23:21.480
or was that the record company's decision? It

00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:24.720
was ours. We would do the sequencing with Jerry,

00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:29.720
so we just couldn't have. enough you know met

00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:31.720
too many songs and we had to we had to figure

00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:34.059
out what to cut so that's dude that song that

00:23:34.059 --> 00:23:36.839
song is it's killer man i'm so glad you guys

00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:38.640
finally released it because it was like i didn't

00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:41.279
even know about it and you know like and then

00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.980
that movie uh the zach and mary movie came out

00:23:43.980 --> 00:23:47.019
and i was i saw the movie and i was like man

00:23:47.019 --> 00:23:50.000
that sounds like live and i went to the the credits

00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:52.420
or whatever and i was like where is the song

00:23:52.420 --> 00:23:54.519
like and i started looking and it was unreleased

00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:55.960
and you guys didn't release it you just kind

00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:57.759
of had that clip and you couldn't hear it anywhere

00:23:58.460 --> 00:24:01.019
yeah that's that's just one in 2019 comes along

00:24:01.019 --> 00:24:05.839
we released the song and as like a you know a

00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:08.519
b -side track to the 25th anniversary of throwing

00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:10.519
comparable then we never played it live during

00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:12.720
that tour i'm just like what the is this this

00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:15.119
was stupid yeah that was some yeah dude that

00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:16.980
was it's just a great now they're playing it

00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:18.559
i don't so i don't know who was making oh are

00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:20.619
they really Yeah, they played it a few times.

00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:22.180
I don't know who made that decision. I don't

00:24:22.180 --> 00:24:24.000
know if it was Ed or Chad. I'm not sure, but

00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.279
it was just like, why the fuck are we not playing

00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:29.960
Hold Me Up? Oh, it's a great song. It's a great

00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:33.519
song, man. It's actually one of my favorite tunes

00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:36.339
now. I mean, from the album. Obviously, it's

00:24:36.339 --> 00:24:39.319
not on the album, but I always like the B -side

00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:41.900
stuff better. What would you have taken off of

00:24:41.900 --> 00:24:44.420
Throwing Copper to put Hold Me Up on then if

00:24:44.420 --> 00:24:46.740
you were making this track? That's the thing.

00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:51.900
Yeah. Yeah, that's a hard question. I mean, obviously,

00:24:51.980 --> 00:24:54.920
Horse was real short. But that was a bonus one.

00:24:54.980 --> 00:24:56.339
That wasn't on the – But that was a bonus track,

00:24:56.420 --> 00:24:58.539
sure, sure. I don't know. I mean, obviously,

00:24:58.700 --> 00:25:01.680
back then you could only fit so much music on

00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:06.680
a CD. Right. And so it's different now. But,

00:25:06.740 --> 00:25:08.359
yeah, that's tough. I know it's a tough one.

00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:10.140
I just love the tune. I just think it's a great

00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:12.200
tune. Yeah, the drum part in that is inspired

00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.460
by U2's God Part II, if you ever heard that song.

00:25:15.460 --> 00:25:17.430
Oh, yeah. oh yeah that's a great great choice

00:25:17.430 --> 00:25:19.670
that's where i got the idea to do that poster

00:25:19.670 --> 00:25:22.269
up here uh yeah they're great well what was the

00:25:22.269 --> 00:25:24.170
first album you've ever you ever bought i'm sure

00:25:24.170 --> 00:25:26.769
you got these questions before but as like a

00:25:26.769 --> 00:25:31.329
drummer um and as a fan like i'm just trying

00:25:31.329 --> 00:25:33.089
to i'm just you know i just want to pick your

00:25:33.089 --> 00:25:35.230
brain about stuff like what was what was the

00:25:35.230 --> 00:25:36.990
first album you ever bought that you were like

00:25:36.990 --> 00:25:39.029
that you know what was the first one that that

00:25:39.029 --> 00:25:41.880
really That you were like, I have to have this

00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:44.539
album in it. It was probably Joshua Tree because

00:25:44.539 --> 00:25:47.200
I was in high school then. I wasn't like, we

00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:50.480
had the band, but I wasn't like a music head.

00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:55.880
I didn't buy a lot of music, but we heard stuff

00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.240
on the radio, obviously. But yeah, the first

00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:01.019
record that I remember buying because I really

00:26:01.019 --> 00:26:05.359
wanted to was Joshua Tree. It's a great album.

00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:09.339
Really into YouTube before that. Patrick's older

00:26:09.339 --> 00:26:12.319
brother got us really into U2, War, October,

00:26:12.819 --> 00:26:15.640
and Unforgettable Fire, that stuff. I mean, just

00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.880
loved it. It's great. It's a great album. It's

00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:20.559
a great album. The newer stuff, not so much,

00:26:20.619 --> 00:26:23.880
but the older stuff is just, it's fantastic,

00:26:24.140 --> 00:26:27.200
man. What else would I want to ask you? True

00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:30.579
or false, did you guys really, I heard that you

00:26:30.579 --> 00:26:33.559
guys, when Mental Druid came out, Pain Lies on

00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:35.980
the Riverside was debuting on MTV. Were you in

00:26:35.980 --> 00:26:38.970
a bar with Nirvana when? the videos debuted back

00:26:38.970 --> 00:26:42.109
to back is that true it was not uh it was operation

00:26:42.109 --> 00:26:44.390
spirit not painless operation spirit sorry sorry

00:26:44.390 --> 00:26:47.230
and we were not in a bar we were in a hotel lobby

00:26:47.230 --> 00:26:50.049
in a hotel called the phoenix in san francisco

00:26:50.049 --> 00:26:54.230
okay and my memory says it was dave and chris

00:26:54.230 --> 00:26:58.009
the player okay kurt was not there he was in

00:26:58.009 --> 00:27:01.349
the hotel but he was not watching us sure but

00:27:01.349 --> 00:27:04.430
that's what that that's crazy man that was amazing

00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.839
if I'm thinking he was probably doing heroin

00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:12.240
somewhere. I don't know, man. I don't know. I

00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:16.380
saw him walking around the hotel, but yeah, that's

00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:19.000
like an open, open air motel kind of thing. All

00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.220
bands out back in the early nineties. That's

00:27:22.220 --> 00:27:25.099
awesome. I mean, that was a history. That was

00:27:25.099 --> 00:27:27.500
a history kind of defining thing for both of

00:27:27.500 --> 00:27:30.380
you guys. I mean, they obviously, they just blew

00:27:30.380 --> 00:27:34.710
up and became this. uh these these these legends

00:27:34.710 --> 00:27:36.230
or whatever you want to you know whatever you

00:27:36.230 --> 00:27:38.150
want to call them they kind of change the the

00:27:38.150 --> 00:27:41.349
outlook of music and but man to to have your

00:27:41.349 --> 00:27:44.130
video debut back to back with theirs that's just

00:27:44.130 --> 00:27:46.490
awesome like that's just that's unbelievable

00:27:46.490 --> 00:27:49.109
man that's i don't it didn't debut back to back

00:27:49.109 --> 00:27:51.190
with theirs we were just all it was just there's

00:27:51.190 --> 00:27:53.589
our first the first time of debuting and they

00:27:53.589 --> 00:27:55.190
happened to be in the hotel we're like hey come

00:27:55.190 --> 00:27:59.049
watch us okay all right okay okay and then different

00:27:59.049 --> 00:28:02.819
things Yeah, to bring that full circle, it's

00:28:02.819 --> 00:28:07.119
probably around 2006 or so, five, six, somewhere

00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:10.299
in there. We were back in San Francisco to play

00:28:10.299 --> 00:28:13.960
a show, and we were staying at Four Seasons or

00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:15.460
something. We're like, hey, let's go to the Phoenix

00:28:15.460 --> 00:28:17.420
to have a drink because it was still open. We're

00:28:17.420 --> 00:28:18.539
like, holy shit, it's still open. Let's go have

00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:20.440
a drink. So we go to the bar at the Phoenix,

00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:25.440
and lo and behold, who walks in? Chris Novoselic.

00:28:25.900 --> 00:28:29.500
Oh, shit. Dude. That's awesome. We just came

00:28:29.500 --> 00:28:31.240
here to have a drink and we're reminiscing about

00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:33.839
you sitting in the lobby while I was watching

00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.680
our video debut. That's awesome. The manager

00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:39.500
noticed what was going on and put us in a back

00:28:39.500 --> 00:28:42.039
room away from everyone else. We were just sitting

00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:45.480
back there. That's awesome. Having fun. That

00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:50.000
was cool. Is he a cool dude, Chad? He seems a

00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.140
little out there. He seems funny as fuck. He's

00:28:53.140 --> 00:28:56.980
super nice. He has kind of a dry humor, but he's...

00:28:57.150 --> 00:29:00.849
he's really nice and yeah um like a cool guy

00:29:00.849 --> 00:29:04.950
yeah yeah yeah i could totally see that i i gotta

00:29:04.950 --> 00:29:07.009
say too man you're really down to earth chad

00:29:07.009 --> 00:29:10.269
i i just i've i've met some different musicians

00:29:10.269 --> 00:29:12.950
over the years just playing doing stuff and opening

00:29:12.950 --> 00:29:15.349
for different people and like some of them are

00:29:15.349 --> 00:29:19.430
real you know they kind of just they're up there

00:29:19.430 --> 00:29:22.069
a lot of them i'm just like guys i just you know

00:29:22.430 --> 00:29:24.170
I just totally stopped trying to even meet lead

00:29:24.170 --> 00:29:27.309
singers because usually it's whatever. Yeah,

00:29:27.369 --> 00:29:29.869
that's a whole thing, that lead singer disease.

00:29:29.990 --> 00:29:31.329
I just stopped even trying to talk to them. Eddie

00:29:31.329 --> 00:29:33.630
Van Halen said that. The last lead singer outside

00:29:33.630 --> 00:29:36.569
of Ed that I talked to was Gavin from Bush, who

00:29:36.569 --> 00:29:40.029
was actually very nice. Oh, nice. Nice. I actually,

00:29:40.109 --> 00:29:43.109
Matt, do you remember Loverboy? Everybody's working

00:29:43.109 --> 00:29:47.190
for the weekend? Yeah. When I was a kid, my friend's

00:29:47.190 --> 00:29:49.809
dad owned the trucking company or whatever that

00:29:49.809 --> 00:29:53.039
was taking them. across the uh across they were

00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.039
doing a world tour with cheap tricker it was

00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.579
a smaller it was a smaller thing was like uh

00:29:57.579 --> 00:30:01.319
you know state fairs and stuff and he introduced

00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:04.980
himself that dude was the mike reno was the nicest

00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:07.779
guy man he's like come on back to the vip he's

00:30:07.779 --> 00:30:09.420
like you want some food carte blanche whatever

00:30:09.420 --> 00:30:11.440
you want just just tell him you're with me and

00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:13.779
i'm like all right like this was you know so

00:30:13.779 --> 00:30:15.559
that was really that was great but a lot of the

00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:19.309
other ones are just like you know um Everyone

00:30:19.309 --> 00:30:22.069
starts believing their own shit. Well, that's

00:30:22.069 --> 00:30:25.930
the thing. And it's like, I don't know. It's

00:30:25.930 --> 00:30:30.250
just a kind of a weird thing. Even local bands

00:30:30.250 --> 00:30:32.730
that we play with sometimes, I'm like, guys,

00:30:32.849 --> 00:30:37.829
you're playing covers at the City Fest down the

00:30:37.829 --> 00:30:41.430
street. You're using the same port -a -john that

00:30:41.430 --> 00:30:44.410
I am. Like, calm down. You know what I mean?

00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:48.099
You know, I can hear the tracks that you're playing

00:30:48.099 --> 00:30:50.339
behind you. Like, you're not doing those cowbell

00:30:50.339 --> 00:30:53.240
parts. No, you're not fooling anybody. But, yeah,

00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:56.420
man. So, coolest band that you ever toured with.

00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.160
What was the best band that you ever, that you

00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.440
guys played with or that was on the same tour

00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:03.920
as you? And you were like, man, these dudes are

00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.759
great. Muse opened for us in, like, 99. Oh, that's

00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:09.519
cool. Some parts of Europe. So, that was cool

00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.220
to watch them then blow up. I mean, they're an

00:31:12.220 --> 00:31:16.480
amazing band. They're an amazing band, too. Who

00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.859
else? I mean, we toured with Weezer while they

00:31:19.859 --> 00:31:21.839
were blowing up. They were opening for us. That

00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:25.200
was cool. That's cool. We actually played a show

00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:29.799
with Coldplay over in Holland one time, a big

00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.079
outdoor festival thing. I heard they're real

00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:36.559
nice guys. Well, they were going on before us

00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.500
because we were super huge. Holland, so there

00:31:39.500 --> 00:31:41.339
was a bit of tension. They didn't think they

00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:43.920
needed to go on after us or before us in that

00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:47.240
particular gig. I mean, they were okay. Who knows?

00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.480
There's always ego bullshit involved with that.

00:31:50.019 --> 00:31:53.180
God bless Chris Martin, dude. Dakota Johnson,

00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:55.799
he's banging now. Oh, he's banging now? Sweet.

00:31:55.940 --> 00:31:58.740
Good for him. That guy's been all over the map

00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:00.920
with some hot chicks. Yeah, he's done all right

00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.460
for himself. That's what happens with those singers.

00:32:06.380 --> 00:32:09.140
Yeah. They start crooning to some girl and they're

00:32:09.140 --> 00:32:14.440
like, melt. They do, man. They do. They love

00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:17.440
the singers, man. They love the singers. Probably

00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:20.420
the funnest tour we ever did was with Counting

00:32:20.420 --> 00:32:23.420
Crows in 2000 when we were co -headlining with

00:32:23.420 --> 00:32:28.680
them. That's cool. I didn't see that tour, but

00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.779
yeah, that would have been cool, man, because

00:32:30.779 --> 00:32:34.200
they had some great... Great stuff. Yeah, we

00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.160
were all hanging out after the show, before the

00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:39.900
show. We got into this routine where I was single

00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:45.000
at the time, so I was having fun. Sure. If we

00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:50.119
would go on first, then Adam Duritz would bring

00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.779
me a Red Bull vodka to the stage as I was leaving.

00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:54.819
And if he was going on first, I would bring him

00:32:54.819 --> 00:32:56.599
one as he's leaving. That's awesome. We had this

00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:58.940
little camaraderie going on. That's awesome.

00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:04.299
Now, have you dealt with any carpal tunnel or

00:33:04.299 --> 00:33:07.759
tendinitis or any hearing loss or anything like

00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.240
that, like tinnitus? Some people call it tinnitus.

00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.039
I have a little tinnitus, tinnitus, whatever

00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:16.240
you want to call it. I've worn ear protection

00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:20.720
my whole life. Wow, since 16. Yeah. 14, 15, 16,

00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:22.319
somewhere in there I started putting in the earplugs.

00:33:22.900 --> 00:33:26.019
No, I've never had any carpal tunnels issued.

00:33:26.059 --> 00:33:29.819
That's good. any issues like that you hit hard

00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:33.400
yeah but i went when i would go home hard and

00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:36.440
people would often like say this is weird but

00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:38.259
when i would go home i would never even i would

00:33:38.259 --> 00:33:41.359
not even touch drums so when i was off i wouldn't

00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:45.140
play i've kind of gotten to that point now because

00:33:45.140 --> 00:33:46.720
it's just you know you know what i mean it's

00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.740
just i'm doing it i'm doing it all day um there

00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:52.700
every weekend we usually play and so during the

00:33:52.700 --> 00:33:55.299
week sometimes i just i won't even touch them

00:33:55.299 --> 00:33:59.190
um That's good for your, if you want longevity

00:33:59.190 --> 00:34:00.769
in playing, I think it's key. Well, sometimes

00:34:00.769 --> 00:34:03.430
you just need a break. Yeah. You know, because

00:34:03.430 --> 00:34:06.470
I'm actually, my day job, I'm an elementary school

00:34:06.470 --> 00:34:10.130
music teacher. Okay, cool. So, yeah, that's cool.

00:34:10.429 --> 00:34:13.610
So, it's music all day. and then i do lessons

00:34:13.610 --> 00:34:15.690
and i do private lessons usually when i get home

00:34:15.690 --> 00:34:18.610
for a few hours uh over zoom so it's music all

00:34:18.610 --> 00:34:20.329
so sometimes you know by the end of the day i'm

00:34:20.329 --> 00:34:21.909
just i don't i don't i don't want to think about

00:34:21.909 --> 00:34:24.110
picking up drumsticks you know i've had record

00:34:24.110 --> 00:34:26.590
i've had recorders and ukuleles going all day

00:34:26.590 --> 00:34:29.949
i'm just like man this is oh boy recorder this

00:34:29.949 --> 00:34:32.110
is a lot yeah dude it's a life skill i saw that

00:34:32.110 --> 00:34:35.269
facebook post that said uh you know thank god

00:34:35.269 --> 00:34:37.909
when i'm 30 um I'll be in a situation where I

00:34:37.909 --> 00:34:39.929
need to bust out hot cross buns for something

00:34:39.929 --> 00:34:42.829
laughing because it's just like, you know, I

00:34:42.829 --> 00:34:45.789
get it. I get it. Uh, it's a stepping stone though,

00:34:45.869 --> 00:34:49.469
you know? Um, so when you guys were, when you

00:34:49.469 --> 00:34:53.469
guys first hit and you guys were huge, how was

00:34:53.469 --> 00:34:55.550
the, how was your, how was the anonymity thing?

00:34:55.670 --> 00:34:58.670
How was that? Was that, did you feel like you

00:34:58.670 --> 00:35:00.829
could still do things? Cause I know like Ed,

00:35:00.969 --> 00:35:05.289
obviously people recognize Ed immediately. How

00:35:05.289 --> 00:35:08.820
was it? Like when we were, we would go do, I

00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:11.039
mean, I'm sure if the show it's different. Well,

00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:13.760
even I was going to say, we would go do amphitheaters

00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:17.800
in 95, 96, 97. And I would literally go out and

00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:19.940
walk around the crowd and people would hardly

00:35:19.940 --> 00:35:23.159
ever recognize me. So, and I like that. And that's

00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:26.719
okay. Anonymous. That's all right. Yeah, absolutely.

00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:29.900
I was curious to how that, how that was because,

00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.679
you know, some of these, some of these people

00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:34.480
can't do anything anymore. You know, you look

00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:36.599
at. Yeah. You look at some of these people, they

00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.139
can't even, they can't even take their kids to

00:35:39.139 --> 00:35:41.340
a, you know, amusement park or go to the, go

00:35:41.340 --> 00:35:44.719
to the grocery store without being. Me personally,

00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:47.659
I never, I never wanted that. No, you just want

00:35:47.659 --> 00:35:49.099
to play some drums. I just wanted to play drums

00:35:49.099 --> 00:35:51.280
and play, play music, play the music I love,

00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:53.719
you know, and entertain people. But I didn't

00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:56.800
want to be famous. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm still

00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:59.909
that way. I just, no, that's great. And like

00:35:59.909 --> 00:36:01.889
I said, dude, you're, you're, you're, I feel

00:36:01.889 --> 00:36:04.030
like you're super humble and like just super

00:36:04.030 --> 00:36:07.050
approachable and it's great, man. It's great.

00:36:07.610 --> 00:36:10.849
What are your thoughts on, what's that? That's

00:36:10.849 --> 00:36:12.730
good. No, that's good. I mean, cause like, you

00:36:12.730 --> 00:36:16.090
know, that ego stuff is for the birds. What's

00:36:16.090 --> 00:36:17.889
your thoughts on the current music business?

00:36:17.969 --> 00:36:20.610
Like, you know, all the AI and stuff and, you

00:36:20.610 --> 00:36:22.989
know, people not even using drummers and you

00:36:22.989 --> 00:36:26.070
know, the, the streaming. I think it's all homogenized.

00:36:26.070 --> 00:36:30.349
It's like fucking, It's just, there's no, there's

00:36:30.349 --> 00:36:33.150
no like real creativity in it anymore. I mean,

00:36:33.150 --> 00:36:34.630
especially if you're going to have AI start writing

00:36:34.630 --> 00:36:36.730
songs. It's like, oh my God. Michael, I hate

00:36:36.730 --> 00:36:38.570
to burst your bubble, but this is actually an

00:36:38.570 --> 00:36:41.070
AI version of Chad. This is not the real Chad

00:36:41.070 --> 00:36:44.369
Gracie. Oh man, it looks amazing. It looks amazing.

00:36:44.989 --> 00:36:47.389
We do it good on The Greatest Tip. Cheap fakes,

00:36:47.389 --> 00:36:49.710
baby. That's a pretty great one. Yeah, cheap

00:36:49.710 --> 00:36:53.489
fakes. No, I mean, even rock now, all rock is

00:36:53.489 --> 00:36:56.289
to a click. It's oversaturated. I mean, I think

00:36:56.289 --> 00:36:59.230
at some point, you know, everything's cyclical

00:36:59.230 --> 00:37:01.849
to me, I believe. So at some point, I think real

00:37:01.849 --> 00:37:05.050
musicians and real rock will come back. God,

00:37:05.110 --> 00:37:08.289
I hope so, man. I hope so. I feel like, you know,

00:37:08.309 --> 00:37:12.530
I'm a big Foo Fighters guy. I got into them,

00:37:12.710 --> 00:37:16.449
I don't know, maybe 10 years ago after they kind

00:37:16.449 --> 00:37:20.780
of, after all the, the color and the shape and

00:37:20.780 --> 00:37:22.300
all that stuff, I started listening to them.

00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:24.119
I, you know, I kind of, I listened to them in

00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:27.019
college or whatever, but I started really getting

00:37:27.019 --> 00:37:29.119
into them. I saw them play live and they were

00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:32.340
great. So good. And I saw him with Taylor Hawkins

00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:33.960
a few times and I was like, man, they're great.

00:37:34.019 --> 00:37:36.639
They're really one of the only rock bands that

00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:39.139
are just actual rock band anymore. I feel like

00:37:39.139 --> 00:37:42.360
I just, I don't know the rest of the stuff, everything

00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:48.619
you listen to it. And it's all, it just sounds

00:37:48.619 --> 00:37:53.019
mechanical it sounds uh sterile to me you know

00:37:53.019 --> 00:37:56.719
like there's no there's no bands that are that

00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:58.539
are doing stuff where i mean you listen to like

00:37:58.539 --> 00:38:00.500
bonham you listen to john bonham you hear that

00:38:00.500 --> 00:38:02.260
bass drum the squeaky pedal and you hear the

00:38:02.260 --> 00:38:04.719
tempo kind of push and pull and like there's

00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.820
none of that anymore everything's just real yeah

00:38:07.820 --> 00:38:11.579
i mean metallica i think is pretty pretty credible

00:38:11.579 --> 00:38:14.199
i don't think that they're using clicks but no

00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.949
i actually saw them Sunday. I saw them Sunday

00:38:16.949 --> 00:38:18.829
for the first time with my kid. It was cool.

00:38:18.969 --> 00:38:20.150
It was great. I don't know how you could use

00:38:20.150 --> 00:38:23.909
a click with Lars. Right. No, man, he's intense.

00:38:24.170 --> 00:38:26.489
I love Lars and he has his own style, but he's

00:38:26.489 --> 00:38:28.409
a little all over the place sometimes. He's intense,

00:38:28.409 --> 00:38:32.929
man. I feel bad for his cymbals because, man,

00:38:32.949 --> 00:38:34.949
I was watching. He's got those Easton, those

00:38:34.949 --> 00:38:37.869
ahead sticks, like those aluminum sticks. And

00:38:37.869 --> 00:38:39.969
at the end of each tune, he just stands up and

00:38:39.969 --> 00:38:44.050
he's just wailing on these cymbals. I'm assuming

00:38:44.050 --> 00:38:48.119
he gets cymbals for free. sure he does but but

00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:51.699
like that that just that just i was like oh man

00:38:51.699 --> 00:38:53.820
and my kids like what's going on i was like i

00:38:53.820 --> 00:38:55.860
was like he's just killing those cymbals i'm

00:38:55.860 --> 00:38:57.659
like that's like a 400 hour cymbal right there

00:38:57.659 --> 00:39:00.920
uh so here's a question here's a question again

00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:06.039
coming from a drummer that didn't you know never

00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.679
got to the point where people were calling me

00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:11.760
up to do things and and give give giveaways and

00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:14.119
things like that when you guys made it big did

00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:15.800
these companies just start calling you and say

00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:18.000
hey play my drums play my player symbols player

00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.639
sticks how did that how did that go or were you

00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:23.380
kind of like i'm doing this i play because i

00:39:23.380 --> 00:39:25.539
know you played pearl back then right you started

00:39:25.539 --> 00:39:29.880
on did you have atomic era or a ludwig kid or

00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.480
what was what was the no my first kit was called

00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:36.239
a reuther okay so i bought it at a yard sale

00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.510
and then my my second kit was a pearl From then

00:39:39.510 --> 00:39:42.949
on, I always played Pearl. Once we started getting

00:39:42.949 --> 00:39:47.650
some notoriety, we had management approach Pearl

00:39:47.650 --> 00:39:50.690
to get endorsement. They did give me one. I stayed

00:39:50.690 --> 00:39:54.809
with them until 2018. We obviously had the break.

00:39:56.369 --> 00:39:58.829
I played Pearl when we did The Gracious Few.

00:40:00.090 --> 00:40:03.429
We came back in 2018 and I wanted to get a new

00:40:03.429 --> 00:40:05.369
kit. I hadn't gotten a new kit from Pearl since

00:40:05.369 --> 00:40:10.900
2014. four or five something like that right

00:40:10.900 --> 00:40:13.320
so i was like well shit you know i wanted to

00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.199
get an acrylic like a yeah like a red acrylic

00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:18.280
set is what i wanted to get yeah like a vista

00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:20.699
light kind of thing it's already yeah yeah so

00:40:20.699 --> 00:40:22.480
i went to pearl and you know the acrylics are

00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.840
one of their least expensive kits right and i

00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.460
go to my rep at this new kid who i'd never met

00:40:28.460 --> 00:40:31.239
you know all the old school people are gone and

00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:33.300
this kid's like yeah well you know yeah we can

00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:34.639
get you the acrylic lights it's going to cost

00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.159
this amount of money i'm like what what sorry

00:40:37.989 --> 00:40:39.789
It's like, yeah, you got to pay for them. I'm

00:40:39.789 --> 00:40:43.489
like, I haven't gotten a kit from you guys since

00:40:43.489 --> 00:40:48.329
2004. He's like, well, I'm like, okay, got it.

00:40:48.369 --> 00:40:50.510
Well, I appreciate the love. Thanks for all the

00:40:50.510 --> 00:40:53.360
support over the years. Did you switch? I'm not

00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:55.239
saying this in a flippant, like boastful way.

00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.519
No, no, I get it, man. I had an expectation and

00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:00.820
they didn't meet my expectations. So I remember

00:41:00.820 --> 00:41:02.900
just seeing your, I remember picking up Modern

00:41:02.900 --> 00:41:04.679
Drummer and it would, you would have your picture

00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:06.260
in there with like the, I think it was a Masters,

00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.099
right? Pearl's Masters Custom or something like

00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:11.280
that. I mean, those were great. That was a great

00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.320
kit. One of my buddies had one. But yeah, I remember

00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:15.900
seeing that. I was just curious how all that

00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:17.920
worked when you, when you got to the point where

00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:21.119
you were, you know. We approach most companies.

00:41:21.219 --> 00:41:23.559
I approach Zildjian. They endorse me. I've always

00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:26.219
been with Zildjian. I love their cymbals. What

00:41:26.219 --> 00:41:28.780
do you use now? What are you using for your cymbals?

00:41:30.019 --> 00:41:34.980
Mostly all Ks at this point. Okay. Like a couple

00:41:34.980 --> 00:41:39.900
of hybrid crashes, a dark crash. I have K, dark

00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:44.579
hi -hats, the K ride. They just kind of melt.

00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.059
They just kind of melt when you hit it. Forever

00:41:47.059 --> 00:41:51.239
I played all the A stuff. super you know super

00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.639
high end super yeah way up there i just i don't

00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:56.199
know over the years i was like let's get a little

00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:59.380
darker with the cymbals sounds 100 man so chad

00:41:59.380 --> 00:42:01.800
that that red one that's at the studio that you

00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:05.000
had to pay for that the red kit at the studio

00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.579
that's dw that was my when i went with dw they

00:42:07.579 --> 00:42:10.059
gave me two kits they gave me a black kit that

00:42:10.059 --> 00:42:12.679
i played before i got my custom order red kit

00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:16.119
that's what's at the studio yeah okay I'll tell

00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:18.719
you what, man. I've got a four -piece DW kit,

00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:22.539
and those are – I love my Sonars, but those DW

00:42:22.539 --> 00:42:25.219
kits are – those things are bulletproof, man.

00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:29.500
The collector's kits, they're great. I've had

00:42:29.500 --> 00:42:32.719
a – I don't know. Do you play their pedals now

00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:37.340
or no? Yeah. I've got a 9000 pedal. Yeah, it's

00:42:37.340 --> 00:42:39.820
basically a 9000, but it has an aluminum – like

00:42:39.820 --> 00:42:43.829
a drilled aluminum foot pedal. Okay, okay. Man,

00:42:43.929 --> 00:42:46.610
I've had that thing for 20 years. Like I've literally,

00:42:46.809 --> 00:42:49.510
whenever the 9 ,000 came out, I bought one, I

00:42:49.510 --> 00:42:52.750
bought a double. And that thing has been, I mean,

00:42:52.769 --> 00:42:56.030
it's, it's gotten used and abused and they just

00:42:56.030 --> 00:42:58.750
make awesome stuff. Like it's just, it's fantastic.

00:42:59.409 --> 00:43:01.750
I've been using their snare stance for years.

00:43:02.429 --> 00:43:06.230
What's that John? Do you play barefoot? No, no.

00:43:06.289 --> 00:43:09.750
I always pay. I always wear a pair of gym shoes

00:43:09.750 --> 00:43:13.960
when I play. I just wear, I wear like, uh converse

00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.400
all -stars or something or or you know if i'm

00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:19.880
doing a corporate or something or a wedding thing

00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.940
i've got like a a pair of like black sketchers

00:43:22.940 --> 00:43:26.760
with i need that on the bottom of the shoe i

00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:29.579
need that that rubber that resistance so when

00:43:29.579 --> 00:43:32.460
i'm doing like doubles it can it'll skip off

00:43:32.460 --> 00:43:34.039
the pedal you know what i'm saying like i can

00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:36.320
kind of jam my foot into the pedal to do some

00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.840
of those quick doubles uh i never i could never

00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:42.869
play barefoot i know you play barefoot Did you

00:43:42.869 --> 00:43:46.869
always play barefoot? Was that out of a choice?

00:43:48.210 --> 00:43:52.309
I had my drum set in my room and I never had

00:43:52.309 --> 00:43:57.230
shoes on. Yeah, that makes sense, man. That makes

00:43:57.230 --> 00:43:59.929
sense. And you guys all met up, grammar school?

00:44:01.489 --> 00:44:05.349
Middle school. Chad and Ed went to elementary

00:44:05.349 --> 00:44:07.010
school together and we met in middle school.

00:44:08.469 --> 00:44:10.429
that's crazy, man, that you guys just, did you,

00:44:10.429 --> 00:44:12.030
did you all want it? And you all wanted to do

00:44:12.030 --> 00:44:14.170
it. Like, I think you, you all said that you

00:44:14.170 --> 00:44:17.230
were going to take, like you, you decided not

00:44:17.230 --> 00:44:19.250
to do college. Cause you were like, we're going

00:44:19.250 --> 00:44:23.269
to give this a, give this a, a chance. And yeah,

00:44:23.349 --> 00:44:25.289
we all applied and we're accepting different

00:44:25.289 --> 00:44:29.250
schools. And we, we deferred for a year. No,

00:44:29.309 --> 00:44:31.550
I gotcha, man. I gotcha. I mean, I think it was

00:44:31.550 --> 00:44:33.550
the right, it was the right choice for all of

00:44:33.550 --> 00:44:35.429
us. Cause if not, we wouldn't have gotten any

00:44:35.429 --> 00:44:37.210
of that great music, man. Well, Chad and I, at

00:44:37.210 --> 00:44:39.329
the time we were, Here's how serious we were

00:44:39.329 --> 00:44:42.090
about our collegiate education. We picked our

00:44:42.090 --> 00:44:44.889
school based on the girl -to -guy ratio because

00:44:44.889 --> 00:44:48.989
it had been an all -girls school the year before,

00:44:49.050 --> 00:44:51.250
and it just turned into co -ed until it was like

00:44:51.250 --> 00:44:53.909
82 girls -to -girls. Those are good odds. Those

00:44:53.909 --> 00:44:56.969
are good odds, man. It was called Cabrini College

00:44:56.969 --> 00:45:00.050
outside of Philly. Nice. We both got accepted

00:45:00.050 --> 00:45:04.230
there. What would you have studied? I was interested

00:45:04.230 --> 00:45:09.150
in medicine. Okay. Okay. That's cool. That's

00:45:09.150 --> 00:45:12.250
cool. John, I'm sorry. I'm not talking to you

00:45:12.250 --> 00:45:15.769
a lot, John. I feel bad. Please. I like this.

00:45:15.929 --> 00:45:19.210
I like when you come on here with a fire and

00:45:19.210 --> 00:45:22.570
do your thing, man. Well, I just, you know, when

00:45:22.570 --> 00:45:28.449
I was in college, my bandmates, one of my bandmates,

00:45:28.650 --> 00:45:31.309
the bass player, I lived with him. We went to

00:45:31.309 --> 00:45:35.349
DePaul University in Chicago. And his father

00:45:35.349 --> 00:45:42.119
was the manager of our band. And I had some kind

00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.039
of performance or some kind of concert. I had

00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:46.820
something going on where I couldn't miss it because

00:45:46.820 --> 00:45:49.239
it was part of the course. And they went to see

00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.260
you guys. I think it was at the World Music Theater.

00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.860
So this would have been late 90s. And somehow

00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:59.880
they got backstage. And his name was Bob Devine.

00:45:59.940 --> 00:46:02.860
He was a great guy. He passed away maybe 20 years

00:46:02.860 --> 00:46:08.550
ago. But he went backstage. And you guys, I think

00:46:08.550 --> 00:46:11.150
it was Patrick and yourself, you talked to him

00:46:11.150 --> 00:46:15.250
for like 45 minutes. Oh, cool. And he said, yeah,

00:46:15.250 --> 00:46:17.670
we got backstage. I'm like, no, you didn't get

00:46:17.670 --> 00:46:19.190
backstage. He's like, yeah, we got backstage.

00:46:19.429 --> 00:46:21.190
I'm like, well, did you ask him about this? He's

00:46:21.190 --> 00:46:23.419
like, no, I didn't ask him about that. That's

00:46:23.419 --> 00:46:26.019
something you would ask him. I'm like, what kind

00:46:26.019 --> 00:46:27.420
of sticks is he using right now? He's like, I

00:46:27.420 --> 00:46:29.019
don't know. He's like, I was talking to him about

00:46:29.019 --> 00:46:31.980
like, you know. And he just said you guys were

00:46:31.980 --> 00:46:35.519
just the nicest guys, you and Patrick. I think

00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:37.659
Chad might have been there. Chad Taylor might

00:46:37.659 --> 00:46:39.699
have been there for a little bit. Ed, I think,

00:46:39.699 --> 00:46:42.280
was doing his own thing, you know, singer thing.

00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:45.440
But he just said you guys were the best. And

00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:46.760
I remember him calling me the next day. He's

00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:48.500
like, Mike, you missed it, man. We got to meet

00:46:48.500 --> 00:46:53.440
him. I'm like, come on, really? For real? And

00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:55.099
he's like, yeah, we got to meet them. I think

00:46:55.099 --> 00:46:57.079
you signed their ticket stubs or something. And

00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.219
I was like, man. So this is kind of like full

00:47:00.219 --> 00:47:03.139
circle for me, like getting to ask, you know,

00:47:03.139 --> 00:47:06.659
Chad questions about just drumming and, you know,

00:47:06.659 --> 00:47:09.280
hopefully I'm not being too forward. Not at all.

00:47:09.420 --> 00:47:13.000
Not at all. This is why I like to have live fans

00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.719
on, to ask the questions they want to know. And

00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:18.760
I'll answer them the best way I can. That's great,

00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:20.380
man. So what are you thinking about? Are you

00:47:20.380 --> 00:47:21.760
going to keep playing? Do you think you're going

00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.980
to keep making music? I mean, what's the plan

00:47:24.980 --> 00:47:28.320
for Chad Gracie in the next five years as far

00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:31.380
as musically? I'm watching the videos on YouTube

00:47:31.380 --> 00:47:34.199
when you're doing the videos of the live tunes.

00:47:34.300 --> 00:47:35.760
I think that's cool to be able to see exactly

00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:38.260
what you're doing. That's why I did it. But,

00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.360
yeah, I'm just going to keep playing and doing

00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:45.860
the drum videos. I don't really – one of my friends

00:47:45.860 --> 00:47:48.619
here in Orange County has a – Little cover band

00:47:48.619 --> 00:47:51.119
now. He wants me to play on one of his songs,

00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:52.420
which I'm going to do, I think, on the next one.

00:47:52.420 --> 00:47:55.739
That's cool. That's cool, man. But I don't know.

00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:59.880
I just, I'm not, how do I say this? I'm not really

00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:04.139
seeking out another band. I don't really, I wouldn't

00:48:04.139 --> 00:48:06.659
probably go on the road with another band. Yeah.

00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.179
If live, if it ever came to happen with live,

00:48:09.380 --> 00:48:11.920
I would probably consider that. But I don't know.

00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:15.900
My days on the road are like, I just, ever since

00:48:15.900 --> 00:48:19.360
I've had kids. I'd rather be here spending as

00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:21.860
much time with my kids as I can. So I like taking

00:48:21.860 --> 00:48:23.780
them to school and picking them up from school

00:48:23.780 --> 00:48:27.340
and seeing them. You're a good dad, Chad. How

00:48:27.340 --> 00:48:31.079
dare you be one? I know. Go figure. So when you

00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:34.679
guys first started, was it a bus? I'm not a bus.

00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:36.659
A van? Was it like a van for the mental jewelry

00:48:36.659 --> 00:48:40.760
thing? We did vans early on mental jewelry, but

00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.960
our first tour, nationwide tour. dictated a bus

00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:47.039
that was that was the 120 minutes tour 92 so

00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.639
we had to have a bus so we got were you all on

00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:53.820
the same bus oh yeah and how was that you guys

00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:55.480
didn't give a shit dude we were living our dream

00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:59.699
so we it was great yeah i mean we were we were

00:48:59.699 --> 00:49:02.880
a new band we were on a tour bus with all of

00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:04.860
our and we had a crew and all this shit going

00:49:04.860 --> 00:49:06.539
on we're like this is fucking awesome this is

00:49:06.539 --> 00:49:10.179
the dream so it was all it was amazing so you

00:49:10.179 --> 00:49:13.340
would get to the venue Again, this is one of

00:49:13.340 --> 00:49:15.260
those ignorance questions just because I've been

00:49:15.260 --> 00:49:18.559
setting up my own gear now for 40 years or whatever

00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:21.320
it's been. You know, you get to the gig a couple

00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.039
hours early, depending on what it is. You set

00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:26.360
everything up. You sound check yourself. I actually

00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:28.599
run the PA for everything, too. We don't do big

00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:31.579
stuff. We don't do fests. And if we're doing

00:49:31.579 --> 00:49:33.119
corporate stuff or whatever, I'll be running

00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.199
the PA off to the side so I get a full mix in

00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:39.940
my ears. but like you obviously you had a you

00:49:39.940 --> 00:49:41.860
had a tech that would just come and set all your

00:49:41.860 --> 00:49:43.820
stuff up and then you would just kind of show

00:49:43.820 --> 00:49:47.039
up and dude what was that like i mean that's

00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:49.380
got to be that sounds amazing like just kind

00:49:49.380 --> 00:49:52.059
of like showing up walking sitting down being

00:49:52.059 --> 00:49:53.760
like yeah i need some more kick in the monitor

00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:56.460
i need some more snare drum and and then you

00:49:56.460 --> 00:49:59.280
would just kind of go grab dinner Is that what,

00:49:59.300 --> 00:50:01.900
is that what, that's awesome. Yes, very fortunate

00:50:01.900 --> 00:50:04.119
that I didn't have to set up my own drums. How,

00:50:04.139 --> 00:50:07.719
I mean, man. In about 99 % of the cases, especially

00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:11.280
for us. Only if like, if we, if we did a fly

00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:14.980
date and we got a, got a loaner kit or whatever,

00:50:15.099 --> 00:50:17.900
I would go in. Sure, sure. A few hours before

00:50:17.900 --> 00:50:19.460
and make sure that they're set up right. But

00:50:19.460 --> 00:50:21.679
someone would, you know, my tech would usually

00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:24.820
just know my setup so well that they can even

00:50:24.820 --> 00:50:28.199
set up. a new a new kit the same way but i would

00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:30.599
just go in and spot check stuff and i would still

00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:34.139
do that even even normal shows like if you're

00:50:34.139 --> 00:50:36.179
on tour for a while you know the tech has it

00:50:36.179 --> 00:50:38.340
pretty much down but i would still go up occasionally

00:50:38.340 --> 00:50:41.280
and check it just to make sure perfection i got

00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:44.300
i mean you just i'm so used to the way that my

00:50:44.300 --> 00:50:48.079
drums are set up that anything that's off by

00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:49.820
a little bit fucks me up it's like step brothers

00:50:49.820 --> 00:50:51.480
when he's like this like and he's like exactly

00:50:52.549 --> 00:50:55.789
yeah i hear you man i hear you i hear it but

00:50:55.789 --> 00:50:58.010
yeah i mean it's incredible it's like again another

00:50:58.010 --> 00:50:59.449
one of those dreams it's like you don't have

00:50:59.449 --> 00:51:02.710
to set up your own kid you know that's man that's

00:51:02.710 --> 00:51:05.170
something because that's half that's like 75

00:51:05.170 --> 00:51:07.309
of the battle for me is like man i gotta get

00:51:07.309 --> 00:51:10.909
there early you know i'm a i'm a part -time drummer

00:51:10.909 --> 00:51:14.289
and a full -time mover um you know like that's

00:51:14.289 --> 00:51:16.110
what you do and then you get in those places

00:51:16.110 --> 00:51:20.460
where you know we played the hancock uh There's

00:51:20.460 --> 00:51:23.059
a room on top of the Hancock building in Chicago.

00:51:23.139 --> 00:51:25.980
It's called the Signature Room. They actually

00:51:25.980 --> 00:51:28.619
just closed a couple years ago. But when you

00:51:28.619 --> 00:51:33.059
get there, you drive in. They check your car.

00:51:33.340 --> 00:51:35.619
The bomb squad does your car. You have to give

00:51:35.619 --> 00:51:38.380
them your insurance and your license. You drive

00:51:38.380 --> 00:51:40.659
into the basement. You unload your gear. You

00:51:40.659 --> 00:51:43.440
leave it there. You go park like four blocks

00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.139
away. You come back. They recheck your info.

00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:48.300
Then you can bring your gear up. It was like

00:51:48.300 --> 00:51:52.000
a two -hour process. Oh, dude, it was brutal.

00:51:52.179 --> 00:51:54.480
And after that, I bought those Questlove kits,

00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:57.239
those little Ludwig Questlove kits. I bought

00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:59.059
one of those. So every time I play downtown,

00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:01.960
it's two bags in a track case. I'm just like,

00:52:02.059 --> 00:52:04.019
I'm doing that, man. I'm doing that because it's

00:52:04.019 --> 00:52:07.159
just too much. Would you replace your heads?

00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:08.760
Would they replace your heads for every gig?

00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.019
Snare, probably every gig. Toms, every three.

00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:20.829
Okay. Depending on, yeah, the 13 and my 18, they

00:52:20.829 --> 00:52:22.449
would change those probably every two or three.

00:52:22.570 --> 00:52:25.349
The 16 on my left, I would not use a whole lot.

00:52:26.010 --> 00:52:30.010
Yeah, I think you busted through a head on that.

00:52:30.050 --> 00:52:33.869
I just remember that first show in 95 very vividly

00:52:33.869 --> 00:52:35.210
just because I was just like, this is great.

00:52:35.349 --> 00:52:39.210
And I think you busted one of your tom heads

00:52:39.210 --> 00:52:41.050
or something. And I remember the guy, would they

00:52:41.050 --> 00:52:42.670
just bring a whole new drum out then? Or would

00:52:42.670 --> 00:52:47.349
you have a second set of? No, I have secondary

00:52:47.349 --> 00:52:49.909
snares, but not secondary set. So they'd have

00:52:49.909 --> 00:52:53.030
to pull that Tom off and change it out. Okay.

00:52:53.369 --> 00:52:56.570
Yeah, that's great, man. That's great. That's

00:52:56.570 --> 00:53:00.389
crazy. Like, awesome. You know, again, from just

00:53:00.389 --> 00:53:02.389
coming from a guy that's just gigging all the

00:53:02.389 --> 00:53:05.690
time. How long would it take them to change that

00:53:05.690 --> 00:53:07.969
head, Chad, if they had to do that during a show?

00:53:07.989 --> 00:53:13.530
Is that like a minute process? About a minute.

00:53:14.349 --> 00:53:17.750
a few minutes to do back up and stuff. Yeah.

00:53:17.889 --> 00:53:19.869
Well, I mean, I can play without it. So it's

00:53:19.869 --> 00:53:22.030
not like if they, if they can get the Tom out

00:53:22.030 --> 00:53:25.550
of there while I'm playing, I wouldn't, we wouldn't

00:53:25.550 --> 00:53:27.650
stop the show for that. I would just play around

00:53:27.650 --> 00:53:30.789
it. Wow. Awesome. A lot of shit going on. You

00:53:30.789 --> 00:53:32.530
don't know about as a fan watching the music

00:53:32.530 --> 00:53:35.469
happen then. Yeah. Yeah. There's a, there's always

00:53:35.469 --> 00:53:37.710
guys running up and. Oh yeah. You're dropping

00:53:37.710 --> 00:53:41.130
sticks and stuff. And you know, generally you

00:53:41.130 --> 00:53:43.329
can recover and get another stick in hand and

00:53:43.329 --> 00:53:46.170
keep going no one no one really knows the wiser

00:53:46.170 --> 00:53:49.670
but yeah that's awesome now did you ever get

00:53:49.670 --> 00:53:51.690
to meet neil neil pierre did you ever get to

00:53:51.690 --> 00:53:54.329
meet him i never got to meet him i know he paid

00:53:54.329 --> 00:53:58.130
you a compliment yes and which was i just remember

00:53:58.130 --> 00:54:01.550
reading that and i was just like see neil knows

00:54:01.550 --> 00:54:03.869
what's going on like you know because i i always

00:54:03.869 --> 00:54:07.110
kind of felt like with you guys especially on

00:54:07.110 --> 00:54:12.420
throwing copper like it wasn't there there weren't

00:54:12.420 --> 00:54:15.679
really any guitar solos uh chad taylor never

00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:18.019
really played that many guitar solos so everything

00:54:18.019 --> 00:54:22.420
kind of just was always uh catered to the song

00:54:22.420 --> 00:54:28.139
and making the song just a great thing by itself

00:54:28.139 --> 00:54:30.159
without anything that says like hey look at i

00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:32.320
can play these pentatonic scales here you know

00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:34.059
what i mean like none of that was in there and

00:54:34.059 --> 00:54:35.820
it was just always about the song that's why

00:54:35.820 --> 00:54:38.800
i kind of gravitated towards you guys because

00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:43.050
it kind of reminded me a little bit of the, you

00:54:43.050 --> 00:54:44.750
know, the Beatles, obviously the Beatles had,

00:54:44.889 --> 00:54:48.449
you know, solos and things like that, but they

00:54:48.449 --> 00:54:50.369
always just, they always, everything they did

00:54:50.369 --> 00:54:52.670
always kind of serve the song. And like your

00:54:52.670 --> 00:54:55.829
drum parts always were just kind of what needed

00:54:55.829 --> 00:54:58.730
to be played. You know, it was never like, it

00:54:58.730 --> 00:55:01.309
was never too much or never like, look at me,

00:55:01.389 --> 00:55:03.949
you know, check this out. This is what I learned

00:55:03.949 --> 00:55:06.210
last week. Yeah. That was, that was born out

00:55:06.210 --> 00:55:10.280
of like, as I said earlier, Patrick, older brother

00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:14.059
matt dollheimer was very influential on the on

00:55:14.059 --> 00:55:15.860
the music that we liked so we were all into like

00:55:15.860 --> 00:55:18.619
the new wave stuff the cure the smiths u2 in

00:55:18.619 --> 00:55:22.320
excess all that stuff and all the stuff that

00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:24.739
was happening around us in york was all hair

00:55:24.739 --> 00:55:27.579
metal and that's like over the top ostentatious

00:55:27.579 --> 00:55:30.900
fucking you know all that bullshit screaming

00:55:30.900 --> 00:55:34.800
yeah all the fucking crazy you know makeup and

00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.820
clothes and we were so anti all of that we're

00:55:37.820 --> 00:55:39.780
like we're not doing fucking guitar solos you're

00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:42.079
not going to be we but what chad would play is

00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:45.000
like a side of a melodic more like the edge like

00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.760
edge plays melodic hundred percent shit hundred

00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:50.420
percent solos and not in the era not really solos

00:55:50.420 --> 00:55:52.780
it's like this little melodic breakdown yeah

00:55:52.780 --> 00:55:55.380
you know what i always liked about the edge of

00:55:55.380 --> 00:55:58.480
solos is that you can sing the solos too and

00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:00.699
that's kind of like how what same way with chad

00:56:00.699 --> 00:56:04.519
so and yeah yeah so we were just like we were

00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:06.880
anti -hair metal we wanted to do everything drum

00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:10.579
solos guitar solos all that bullshit like no

00:56:10.579 --> 00:56:12.769
no no not doing that it was a breath of fresh

00:56:12.769 --> 00:56:15.409
air i just remember because i was i was you know

00:56:15.409 --> 00:56:17.849
obviously when i was in high school i had never

00:56:17.849 --> 00:56:21.289
mind and i had uh i had 10 by pearl jam like

00:56:21.289 --> 00:56:24.610
i i liked those albums uh but i wasn't really

00:56:24.610 --> 00:56:27.030
listening to new music like i was listening to

00:56:27.030 --> 00:56:28.489
those bands because they were kind of popular

00:56:28.489 --> 00:56:31.650
but i would go back to like my zeppelin and uh

00:56:31.650 --> 00:56:35.269
you know pink floyd had toured at the time uh

00:56:35.269 --> 00:56:37.670
right before that and i went and saw them so

00:56:37.670 --> 00:56:39.510
i kind of got into i was like oh this is you

00:56:39.510 --> 00:56:41.949
know just great great old music or what you know

00:56:41.949 --> 00:56:45.269
whatever you call it and then when that album

00:56:45.269 --> 00:56:47.829
came out i just remember just being like this

00:56:47.829 --> 00:56:50.929
is this is new and it's it's different than the

00:56:50.929 --> 00:56:55.909
the other stuff because it's it was just all

00:56:55.909 --> 00:56:58.789
all about the songs and it wasn't it just didn't

00:56:58.789 --> 00:57:03.050
seem like uh you we weren't trying too hard to

00:57:03.050 --> 00:57:05.769
impress anybody you were just playing the songs

00:57:05.769 --> 00:57:07.769
and they were very from the heart and it was

00:57:07.769 --> 00:57:10.099
just really it was a really a breath of fresh

00:57:10.099 --> 00:57:12.599
air you know what i mean that's why i still listen

00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:16.099
to that out like that album still uh you know

00:57:16.099 --> 00:57:19.300
i'll be outside and i have to tell uh my alexa

00:57:19.300 --> 00:57:22.599
to put on live because if you say live and play

00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:24.539
something else i'm like can you play throwing

00:57:24.539 --> 00:57:27.619
copper by live she's like now shuffling throwing

00:57:27.619 --> 00:57:30.639
copper live there's the secret people there you

00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:35.179
go okay so so that's right alexa you've got to

00:57:35.179 --> 00:57:36.699
call because she won't she'll play something

00:57:36.699 --> 00:57:38.980
else man she'll play something else like that's

00:57:38.980 --> 00:57:41.659
not what i wanted i wanted i wanted live she's

00:57:41.659 --> 00:57:43.360
like now playing live music and you hear like

00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:45.840
springsteen i'm like well this is great but i

00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:47.440
don't want to hear jersey girl right now i want

00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.760
to hear you know yeah that's funny that she every

00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:53.179
time you say live it goes bruce springsteen live

00:57:53.179 --> 00:57:55.820
for some reason sometimes it does bruce springsteen

00:57:55.820 --> 00:57:59.039
sometimes it'll do um i remember the other one

00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:00.929
but i'm just like well this is great Because

00:58:00.929 --> 00:58:03.889
I dig that tune. But I don't want you to listen

00:58:03.889 --> 00:58:06.789
to this right now. Live Throwing Copper. Got

00:58:06.789 --> 00:58:10.309
it. Live Throwing Copper. Now, Apple Music is

00:58:10.309 --> 00:58:12.389
smarter than that. You're seriously smarter than

00:58:12.389 --> 00:58:17.170
that. Sure, you will play live. But, yeah. What

00:58:17.170 --> 00:58:19.670
the fuck's going on with Alexa? I don't know,

00:58:19.670 --> 00:58:21.710
man. I don't know. I think she's listening to

00:58:21.710 --> 00:58:26.219
me. You probably already know that. You probably

00:58:26.219 --> 00:58:27.940
already know that those things are definitely

00:58:27.940 --> 00:58:30.099
listening. If you had our phone to listen to,

00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:32.000
but I don't have, I don't have an Alexa or one

00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:34.480
of those in my house. Yeah, I gotcha. I gotcha.

00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:36.420
It's in my garage. So when I'm out there, I just,

00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:38.199
I just tell her, I want to hear some music, but

00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:41.119
nice. Uh, that's great, man. I, this has just

00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:43.579
been, you know, I can, I can talk to you all

00:58:43.579 --> 00:58:45.239
day, so I don't want to, I don't want to be that

00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:47.239
guy, but this is all good. It's been, this has

00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:50.780
been great, man. And, uh, Well, Michael, you

00:58:50.780 --> 00:58:53.539
know how we do this. We always leave the audience

00:58:53.539 --> 00:58:55.579
wanting the guests to come back on again. So

00:58:55.579 --> 00:58:57.880
if you've got any last -minute things you want

00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:00.300
to get out there, by all means, do that. If you

00:59:00.300 --> 00:59:02.380
want to let the gracious audience know where

00:59:02.380 --> 00:59:05.000
they could check some of your shit out, you could.

00:59:05.059 --> 00:59:07.260
Yeah, sure, sure. The band I'm playing with now

00:59:07.260 --> 00:59:10.360
is called The Walk -Ins. It's www .thewalkins

00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:13.420
.com. We play all around the Chicagoland area,

00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:17.320
Midwest area. Summer's a lot of fests and stuff

00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:20.449
like that. You can check me out on Facebook.

00:59:20.789 --> 00:59:25.230
Last name is M -O -L -I -N -E -T -S. First name's

00:59:25.230 --> 00:59:28.650
Michael. And how do you pronounce that? I saw

00:59:28.650 --> 00:59:32.489
your message earlier. Michael Molinay. Like Chevrolet.

00:59:32.489 --> 00:59:36.789
Got it. Oh, Molinay. I like Molinay. That's all

00:59:36.789 --> 00:59:39.369
good, man. It's all good. It's my stage name.

00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:43.320
Yeah, I just really appreciate you guys having

00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.159
me on. Thanks so much. Absolutely. Thank you

00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:47.820
for coming on. It's been awesome. I've been looking

00:59:47.820 --> 00:59:50.860
forward to this all summer. Chad, John, thank

00:59:50.860 --> 00:59:54.320
you guys. I appreciate it. You're very welcome.

00:59:54.340 --> 00:59:57.519
Thank you. Mr. Moline. Thank you, guys. Thank

00:59:57.519 --> 00:59:59.639
you for coming on, my man. Oh, no, it's been

00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:02.099
great, man. I loved it. Loved it. Very cool.

01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:05.199
We'll chat again for sure, dude. That would be

01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:07.179
awesome, man. That would be great, man. Thank

01:00:07.179 --> 01:00:08.739
you guys so much for having me. I appreciate

01:00:08.739 --> 01:00:10.960
it. You're very welcome. Thanks, man. Great questions,

01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:13.360
by the way. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Really

01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.519
appreciate it. Thanks. All right, Michael. Take

01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:19.420
care, buddy. Bye, guys. That was Michael Moline,

01:00:19.500 --> 01:00:24.239
folks. The man, the myth, the legend, as they

01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:30.440
say. How do I do that? There we go. Rug on. Yes.

01:00:31.340 --> 01:00:35.219
That was fun. Yeah, it was great. I'm going to

01:00:35.219 --> 01:00:38.619
keep this about 15, 20 more minutes. Yeah, I

01:00:38.619 --> 01:00:42.820
got you. Chad Grace's taxi service for my children.

01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:50.820
Mr. Bob A. from Bob A.'s World. What are you

01:00:50.820 --> 01:00:54.440
doing there, buddy? You were cracking me up with

01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:59.440
some of your little things you were typing. That

01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:04.579
was great. You know, it's good to hear the workings,

01:01:04.579 --> 01:01:07.800
you know, and everything that goes behind the

01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:11.679
music that us as fans, we don't see. We don't

01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:15.420
see it all. That's right. Carrying those drums

01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:18.260
around, setting them up. But once you get to

01:01:18.260 --> 01:01:23.460
a level where you got. You're a huge rock star,

01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:26.679
superstar band. You don't have to worry about

01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:29.119
that anymore. I found that funny. He was asking,

01:01:29.260 --> 01:01:31.480
were you setting up your own kit during that

01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:34.239
tour? I'm like, come on, dude. If he was, something's

01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:39.400
going wrong here. Yeah, right? I got a couple

01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:43.960
things. I have a couple things. Non -fungible

01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:47.780
tokens? No, I have a couple things that aren't

01:01:47.780 --> 01:01:54.010
that. Is that great? I heard you're a big Kamala

01:01:54.010 --> 01:02:00.190
Harris fan. Is that true? That is not true. He's

01:02:00.190 --> 01:02:03.210
out making those photos, Photoshopping a bunch

01:02:03.210 --> 01:02:05.269
of people into the photos, so it looks like people

01:02:05.269 --> 01:02:10.889
care about her. Right. No, this is Base Camp.

01:02:11.900 --> 01:02:16.179
with Simone and Malcolm. Simone, I'm excited

01:02:16.179 --> 01:02:19.420
to talk with you right now. Today, we are going

01:02:19.420 --> 01:02:24.119
to talk about the hope crisis as it relates.

01:02:24.750 --> 01:02:27.650
to declining fertility rates but also society

01:02:27.650 --> 01:02:31.789
more broadly and this was brought to me again

01:02:31.789 --> 01:02:33.909
something i regularly see in a recent article

01:02:33.909 --> 01:02:36.269
in the atlantic called the real reason people

01:02:36.269 --> 01:02:39.230
aren't having kids it's a need that government

01:02:39.230 --> 01:02:42.349
subsidies and better family policy can't necessarily

01:02:42.349 --> 01:02:47.599
address and this really reminds me of we We're

01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:50.840
talking with redeemed Zoomer not too long ago.

01:02:51.420 --> 01:02:55.179
And he was saying, when you talk to boomers about

01:02:55.179 --> 01:02:58.219
all the sadness in this young generation right

01:02:58.219 --> 01:03:01.920
now, they'll reflexively be like. oh, it's phones.

01:03:02.059 --> 01:03:04.039
And if you talk to the media, because it's very

01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:06.500
urban monoculture, very distributed as much cash

01:03:06.500 --> 01:03:08.320
as possible, it's always all economic situations.

01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:11.739
Now you look at something like, oh, it's phones.

01:03:11.980 --> 01:03:14.739
And this is pretty quick to disprove. The studies

01:03:14.739 --> 01:03:17.199
on this show generally that it does make up a

01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:20.360
portion of the decrease in mental health in youth,

01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:23.980
but less than half. And that's some more generous

01:03:23.980 --> 01:03:27.639
studies. For example, Amy O 'Brien, a lead author

01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:31.559
at Oxford University, did a study of 350 ,000

01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:35.579
participants across the US and the UK on teen

01:03:35.579 --> 01:03:38.579
mental health use and technology. And she found...

01:03:38.780 --> 01:03:41.699
that a teenager's technology use or a teenager's

01:03:41.699 --> 01:03:44.900
social media use can only predict less than one

01:03:44.900 --> 01:03:47.579
percent in the variation of their well -being

01:03:47.579 --> 01:03:51.440
which is so small that it's surpassed by for

01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:54.360
example whether a teenager wore glasses in school

01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:57.579
you can look at economic situations uh they don't

01:03:57.579 --> 01:04:00.260
explain it it's not the phones it's leftism a

01:04:00.260 --> 01:04:02.840
correlation to well -being but if you look at

01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:05.000
the way that americans live today versus the

01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.639
way we lived a hundred years ago um it is very

01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:10.699
clear that people 100 years ago lived in significantly

01:04:10.699 --> 01:04:13.719
more poverty than people today. But the statistical

01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:17.320
evidence is even... She's hot, Bobby. So what

01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:22.820
are those people's names? I would... What's that?

01:04:23.380 --> 01:04:27.579
Who are those people? Oh, that is... It's called

01:04:27.579 --> 01:04:32.300
Based Camp. That's their channel. They're really

01:04:32.300 --> 01:04:36.199
down -to -earth people, really... against the

01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:39.400
whole agenda that's being pushed upon us cool

01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:42.320
they're really a good channel follow i follow

01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:45.199
i watch them like do you know where they're out

01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:51.199
of like uh what state or i believe the east coast

01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:55.099
but i'm not sure about the state yeah i would

01:04:55.099 --> 01:04:58.500
say it's not uh it's not phones it's fucking

01:04:58.500 --> 01:05:02.219
leftism That's making them all depressed. Yeah,

01:05:02.219 --> 01:05:06.380
well, they get to that pretty much. I hope they

01:05:06.380 --> 01:05:08.000
come to that conclusion because that's what the

01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:10.860
fuck it is. They're all depressed because they're

01:05:10.860 --> 01:05:13.409
told to be depressed about everything. Let me

01:05:13.409 --> 01:05:15.869
let me let me get it. Let me fast forward a little

01:05:15.869 --> 01:05:18.309
bit. Democrat policies that are destroying their

01:05:18.309 --> 01:05:21.110
economic future to unaliving themselves. No,

01:05:21.150 --> 01:05:26.429
sorry. Tried to unalign. One in four girls made

01:05:26.429 --> 01:05:28.610
a plan to unalive themselves at any given year.

01:05:28.710 --> 01:05:32.070
Like the rates are catastrophically high. It's

01:05:32.070 --> 01:05:34.409
like American high schools have become the happening.

01:05:35.530 --> 01:05:42.369
What's that? I said, do you want to share whatever

01:05:42.369 --> 01:05:44.670
you're doing rather than have it play over your

01:05:44.670 --> 01:05:49.730
microphone? I stopped your sharing. Oh, it stopped

01:05:49.730 --> 01:05:56.130
sharing? Oh, okay. Dear Lord, Bobby B. Wiss.

01:05:56.909 --> 01:06:04.789
Yes, Bobby. I didn't know you turned the audio

01:06:04.789 --> 01:06:07.809
on. Yeah, I shut it down. I didn't know how long

01:06:07.809 --> 01:06:27.889
this video was going to be. but if you look at

01:06:27.889 --> 01:06:29.489
the other countries that have fertility rate

01:06:29.489 --> 01:06:33.050
problems like south korea they also have a really

01:06:33.050 --> 01:06:35.809
high unaliving oneself problem within the useful

01:06:35.809 --> 01:06:38.690
generation and they look at countries that have

01:06:38.690 --> 01:06:42.130
actually pretty robust fertility rates like israel

01:06:42.130 --> 01:06:46.130
the unaliving oneself rate in israel is actually

01:06:46.130 --> 01:06:49.440
on the fairly low side Interestingly, in Israel,

01:06:49.579 --> 01:06:51.320
while in places like the U .S., the unaliving

01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:53.960
rate is going up, it's been going down in Israel.

01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:56.519
So here I'm going to pull up a heat map by unaliving

01:06:56.519 --> 01:07:00.599
oneself rate. And what you'll notice is, remember

01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:03.039
I was like, oh, like, so here I am showing a

01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:05.860
map. Now, I do not think that this explains everything.

01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:12.570
But it does explain a little bit. OK, so I'm

01:07:12.570 --> 01:07:14.650
saying that this is not like a definite like

01:07:14.650 --> 01:07:17.369
this is this is where this is coming from, but

01:07:17.369 --> 01:07:19.730
it's definitely a big part of it. And when I

01:07:19.730 --> 01:07:21.789
talk to young people, when we're talking about

01:07:21.789 --> 01:07:24.309
the massive shift we've seen recently, and I

01:07:24.309 --> 01:07:26.610
do need to clarify how massive this shift is,

01:07:26.789 --> 01:07:28.909
because a lot of people, when they believe like

01:07:28.909 --> 01:07:31.110
the UN statistics on how quickly fertility is

01:07:31.110 --> 01:07:33.889
going to fall, those statistics are so laughably

01:07:33.889 --> 01:07:36.929
wrong. To give you an idea of how laughably wrong

01:07:36.929 --> 01:07:38.849
when the UN is like, oh, we'll have a steady,

01:07:38.929 --> 01:07:41.420
continuous decline in the United States. states

01:07:41.420 --> 01:07:43.579
that will then level off first of all it's like

01:07:43.579 --> 01:07:46.460
why is it going to level off but the second and

01:07:46.460 --> 01:07:51.239
more important right now if you look at the expected

01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:53.840
fertility rate of women and the actual fertility

01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:56.219
rate of women so if you ask women you know in

01:07:56.219 --> 01:07:58.099
the early 20s how many kids they expect to have

01:07:58.099 --> 01:08:00.000
and then you look at how many kids they have

01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:03.079
it's typically around like i think it's like

01:08:03.079 --> 01:08:05.199
20 percent lower depending on what you're looking

01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:08.239
at right this study showed it to be 25 percent

01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:13.949
lower now If you today ask kids their expected

01:08:13.949 --> 01:08:17.630
fertility rate, you get something like over 50

01:08:17.630 --> 01:08:19.689
% of young women saying they don't plan to have

01:08:19.689 --> 01:08:23.550
any kids at all. Really? Sorry, it's worse than

01:08:23.550 --> 01:08:27.010
that. It's 57 % of people under the age of 50

01:08:27.010 --> 01:08:29.770
with it being weighted towards the younger generation.

01:08:30.050 --> 01:08:38.319
This was not... Whoa. Elon Musk is really scared

01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:42.420
about the fertility and people not having kids

01:08:42.420 --> 01:08:45.359
in the future and we don't have enough to repopulate

01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:49.199
and all that jazz. Yeah, it's a huge problem.

01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:52.420
It's a huge problem. And China's leading the

01:08:52.420 --> 01:08:54.659
way and so is Russia at this point. China's going

01:08:54.659 --> 01:08:57.520
to end up collapsing. China's going to end up

01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:00.359
collapsing within the next 10 to 15 years. Yeah,

01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:02.399
Peter Zian's been talking about that for a few

01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:06.010
years now. They're scared as hell. I'm trying

01:09:06.010 --> 01:09:08.250
to repopulate New Jersey by banging all these

01:09:08.250 --> 01:09:10.750
chicks without condoms, but so far, no luck.

01:09:11.010 --> 01:09:13.170
Well, fertility rates are also affected by the

01:09:13.170 --> 01:09:19.930
jab. Yes. Yes, it is. Yep. And all the GMOs and

01:09:19.930 --> 01:09:22.050
all the toxins. All the GMOs, all the toxins,

01:09:22.329 --> 01:09:24.329
yeah. I mean, there's all kinds of shit. There's

01:09:24.329 --> 01:09:27.289
all kinds of reasons why. There's choice now,

01:09:27.409 --> 01:09:30.649
but there's also physically people are not able

01:09:30.649 --> 01:09:32.229
to have kids. Their fertility rates are going

01:09:32.229 --> 01:09:35.260
down. Yeah, you could see there's a design behind

01:09:35.260 --> 01:09:38.939
it. You know, they want to get rid of the useless

01:09:38.939 --> 01:09:41.399
eaters. Oh, the elites have talked about it.

01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:44.659
I mean, Bill Gates has said it. Kamala actually,

01:09:44.739 --> 01:09:46.979
one of her fucking speeches said, if we reduce

01:09:46.979 --> 01:09:51.039
world population, you know, and Bill Gates gives

01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:52.560
a whole speech where he talks about reducing

01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:55.880
population with vaccines. He says it. And you're

01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:58.420
like, oh, he didn't mean to say that. He fucking

01:09:58.420 --> 01:10:00.100
says it in a video. But, you know, we'll call

01:10:00.100 --> 01:10:02.770
that facts checkers. He didn't mean that. It

01:10:02.770 --> 01:10:05.970
was taken out of context. He didn't mean a bunch

01:10:05.970 --> 01:10:08.409
of shit he said, but he was speaking directly.

01:10:08.689 --> 01:10:17.010
Dr. Malone came on Joe Rogan's podcast. He's

01:10:17.010 --> 01:10:20.189
one of the inventors of the mRNA technology.

01:10:20.689 --> 01:10:23.609
He sat on Joe Rogan's podcast and said, fertility

01:10:23.609 --> 01:10:26.029
rates are going to go down. The spike proteins

01:10:26.029 --> 01:10:29.739
will attack women's ovaries. And we don't know

01:10:29.739 --> 01:10:31.600
how long they last or how long the body's going

01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:33.079
to produce them, but they will attack the woman's

01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:35.840
ovaries and basically make them infertile. And

01:10:35.840 --> 01:10:38.300
it's happening. I mean, you have, you know, it

01:10:38.300 --> 01:10:40.239
was just funny to what, two months, a month and

01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.699
a half ago, two months, Apple, you know, Apple

01:10:42.699 --> 01:10:44.720
news puts out this big article. Oh, fertility

01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:47.800
rates are going down. Like, oh yeah. You're not

01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:51.060
going to say why though, are you? You're just

01:10:51.060 --> 01:10:55.159
going to dance around it. Yeah, as they should

01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:58.359
not. I mean, we should have all the hard facts

01:10:58.359 --> 01:11:00.939
and they should be looking into that. And they

01:11:00.939 --> 01:11:02.539
don't get all the hard facts because I'm big

01:11:02.539 --> 01:11:06.880
farmer. We'll pay him. Right. And that's works.

01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:09.420
Come on. Yeah. Unfortunately, we do know how

01:11:09.420 --> 01:11:13.300
this works, but a lot of people. It's like we

01:11:13.300 --> 01:11:17.000
really need to really rise up. We really do.

01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:20.409
We're done. We are done as humanity. If we don't

01:11:20.409 --> 01:11:25.310
rise up against this evil force that's coming

01:11:25.310 --> 01:11:28.590
at us so hard right now. Well, I think AI will

01:11:28.590 --> 01:11:31.829
figure out a way to make our fertility rates

01:11:31.829 --> 01:11:33.649
go up because they're going to need us as batteries

01:11:33.649 --> 01:11:37.750
to charge their shit. Like the Matrix? Yeah,

01:11:37.829 --> 01:11:41.050
exactly. Like being little pods. Blowing out

01:11:41.050 --> 01:11:43.609
a tube. Fucking things stuck in the back of our

01:11:43.609 --> 01:11:48.770
heads. I also had a couple cryptos that I wanted

01:11:48.770 --> 01:11:55.630
to share. Cool, yeah. Yeah. Share these real

01:11:55.630 --> 01:12:03.270
quick. This just got listed on Uphold. You know

01:12:03.270 --> 01:12:06.210
Uphold Exchange? It's a pretty big exchange.

01:12:07.270 --> 01:12:11.010
I'm not familiar with it. It's like one of the

01:12:11.010 --> 01:12:15.899
tier one exchanges. um and they're like like

01:12:15.899 --> 01:12:19.100
robin hood kind of like okay on the level of

01:12:19.100 --> 01:12:21.840
robin hood well they just listed this this is

01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:25.859
um are they as shady as robin hood no no no uphold

01:12:25.859 --> 01:12:28.439
is actually a company you could um you could

01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:32.279
invest in silver anything really uh currencies

01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:36.439
you could invest in but yeah um i bought this

01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:40.659
at eight like zero zero zero zero eight and it's

01:12:40.659 --> 01:12:46.199
already pumping a little bit zero zero nine i

01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:51.020
bought i bought at zero zero eight zero nine

01:12:51.020 --> 01:12:54.819
two so you know i'm up a little bit you know

01:12:54.819 --> 01:12:57.359
it's going up it's on an upward trend had a little

01:12:57.359 --> 01:13:03.899
dip foxy yeah foxy is is you know people go after

01:13:03.899 --> 01:13:07.100
they they most people they don't understand crypto

01:13:07.100 --> 01:13:09.579
so they're gonna buy the meme coins you know

01:13:09.579 --> 01:13:12.859
they're gonna buy the coins that represent the

01:13:12.859 --> 01:13:16.199
chains that they're on you know like you see

01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:18.460
coins going to like six billion dollars like

01:13:18.460 --> 01:13:21.479
coins like pepe the frog that's just gonna hit

01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:25.060
like a 50 billion dollar market cap you're gonna

01:13:25.060 --> 01:13:29.739
see bitcoin hit a 200 000 market cap by probably

01:13:29.739 --> 01:13:34.000
when is bitcoin because there's only a finite

01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:36.439
of them able to be made do we know what that

01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:40.729
number is yeah 21 million and It won't be mine

01:13:40.729 --> 01:13:44.069
for another 100 years. Another 100 years. That's

01:13:44.069 --> 01:13:51.930
how the algorithm works. Yeah. Wow. To Gui, why?

01:13:53.130 --> 01:13:56.250
Yeah, I didn't want to be a downer, but you know

01:13:56.250 --> 01:14:01.369
what? The thing about the fertility rates and

01:14:01.369 --> 01:14:06.090
population diminishing, it's a very, very scary

01:14:06.090 --> 01:14:11.100
situation. It is. Well, you got to go there and

01:14:11.100 --> 01:14:12.760
start banging the ladies, Bobby, and get this

01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:15.880
world repopulated. For real. For real. People

01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:19.359
need to, you know what? This is all by design

01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:22.859
by putting the women in the work first, by taking

01:14:22.859 --> 01:14:25.140
them out of the house. You know, it is. It's

01:14:25.140 --> 01:14:27.260
all by design. And I'm not trying to put women

01:14:27.260 --> 01:14:30.199
down or anything and say they can't work. But

01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:33.359
they are the producers of, you know, they are

01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:37.399
the producers, you know? Yeah. I mean, it'd be

01:14:37.399 --> 01:14:39.100
nice if they could all produce and then have

01:14:39.100 --> 01:14:41.260
nannies at the house raising the kids and stuff

01:14:41.260 --> 01:14:45.260
like that, but not everybody could do that. Yeah,

01:14:45.260 --> 01:14:46.960
exactly. There were days where the woman was

01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:49.600
in the kitchen, the guy was going home doing

01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:52.199
his thing, going out doing his thing, making

01:14:52.199 --> 01:14:55.020
the bread, coming home. It's like we're headed

01:14:55.020 --> 01:14:59.420
for a reset. We are headed full speed for a reset.

01:14:59.619 --> 01:15:03.239
I see it coming full speed. We're all in the

01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:05.020
simulation anyway, so it don't really matter.

01:15:06.719 --> 01:15:10.340
Sometimes I question that too. Sometimes I really

01:15:10.340 --> 01:15:14.520
question it. Well, yeah. Elon said that the chances

01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:17.020
that we're not in the simulation are in billions

01:15:17.020 --> 01:15:19.380
or something as far as mathematical equations

01:15:19.380 --> 01:15:21.960
go. And I'm like, that's crazy that he would

01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:27.600
say something like that. Because if we are, then

01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:30.000
fucking they better start getting the simulation

01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:31.960
right because we're going off course, people.

01:15:32.100 --> 01:15:34.069
We're going off course. Get that shit right.

01:15:34.789 --> 01:15:41.409
You want to do IG live on Friday? Yes. Sorry

01:15:41.409 --> 01:15:44.609
we missed you this week, IG audience out there.

01:15:45.029 --> 01:15:49.189
We had some stuff going on. Both of us, actually.

01:15:50.170 --> 01:15:52.250
Shit happens, but that's what the beauty of the

01:15:52.250 --> 01:15:55.710
IG show is. You get it when you get it. What's

01:15:55.710 --> 01:16:00.859
the status of the Facebook page right now? So

01:16:00.859 --> 01:16:04.399
now they got me going through some business manager

01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:08.079
shit. So we're on the verge of getting it back,

01:16:08.220 --> 01:16:12.340
but it's taking time, which is annoying. It's

01:16:12.340 --> 01:16:15.100
so annoying. Everyone just keep going to Rumble.

01:16:15.220 --> 01:16:19.119
Watch us on Rumble or Twitter. Absolutely. Rumble

01:16:19.119 --> 01:16:22.479
is a spa. They're flocking over to Rumble for

01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:25.479
sure, which is a good thing. But we're getting

01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:29.600
that page back, I promise you, folks. And everybody

01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:32.659
could go there once we do, because that was fun

01:16:32.659 --> 01:16:34.960
going on. All the comments were there. It was

01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:38.920
a good, concise place for the live show. But

01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:41.479
we love you guys out there, the gracious audience.

01:16:41.659 --> 01:16:43.699
You guys have been great. Thank you for coming

01:16:43.699 --> 01:16:46.260
on this journey. We got a lot more cool stuff

01:16:46.260 --> 01:16:49.420
coming up for you. And we shall see you next

01:16:49.420 --> 01:16:52.460
week, Chad, right? That's right. We'll see you

01:16:52.460 --> 01:16:57.710
Friday on IG, on Instagram. Check us out. Be

01:16:57.710 --> 01:17:00.090
good, Bobby. All right, people. Thanks, everybody.

01:17:00.729 --> 01:17:03.390
Please like, subscribe, and comment. All that

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